The writer of the article has hang-ups about graphics... and about "WoW-like" things in the UI.
huh.
So you're telling me that everything WoW has done has been original and that these attempts by Warhammer to use the "rogue system of combo points" of WoW is a big let-down?
I'm sorry... I'm just having a really, really difficult time understanding how you can connect the games on this basis.
Lets face facts here people. Every game ever created from this point forward that wants to use "combo points" or wants to use a "rage meter" or hell, lets even go as far as to say to use mana, will be considered "like WoW". WoW's success has been so phenomenal that for 5 years after WoW has its sunset (and yes people, it will eventually have one), people will still be comparing games to WoW and the system that they used. WoW's system is very basic and very easy to use. That is the secret to its huge success. You can pick the game up and start playing it very easily and very quickly and not many IQ points are involved.
The thing that has kept MMO's to the older, non-l33t Halo crowd has been their learning curve and the time that it takes for one to truly get involved and get the true scope of the game. WoW however has taken that deep lake of the MMO genre and has turned it into the wading pool at the local YMCA. Anyone can get in, it just takes a small price... and you have to enjoy standing in urine.
Honestly, I'm surprised that the article didn't go into how WAR is ripping off WoW's lore.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
The writer of the article has hang-ups about graphics... and about "WoW-like" things in the UI. huh. So you're telling me that everything WoW has done has been original and that these attempts by Warhammer to use the "rogue system of combo points" of WoW is a big let-down? I'm sorry... I'm just having a really, really difficult time understanding how you can connect the games on this basis. Lets face facts here people. Every game ever created from this point forward that wants to use "combo points" or wants to use a "rage meter" or hell, lets even go as far as to say to use mana, will be considered "like WoW". WoW's success has been so phenomenal that for 5 years after WoW has its sunset (and yes people, it will eventually have one), people will still be comparing games to WoW and the system that they used. WoW's system is very basic and very easy to use. That is the secret to its huge success. You can pick the game up and start playing it very easily and very quickly and not many IQ points are involved. The thing that has kept MMO's to the older, non-l33t Halo crowd has been their learning curve and the time that it takes for one to truly get involved and get the true scope of the game. WoW however has taken that deep lake of the MMO genre and has turned it into the wading pool at the local YMCA. Anyone can get in, it just takes a small price... and you have to enjoy standing in urine. Honestly, I'm surprised that the article didn't go into how WAR is ripping off WoW's lore.
The reviewer was just mad he couldn't stunlock and pwn noobs for lawlerskates.
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A WoW fan does not play WAR for but a few minutes a convention and then complains about the game and the design? I am astounded that the Warcry editors let this one through.
I have only been to the Warcry site a couple of times, but I can certainly say that it sucks bad when compared to other gaming sites. I was expecting so much more from Warcry, even though I only looked at the first page on the site. They should have put more effort into it. And the performance was bad. It was just like so many other gaming sites I have visited.
ZOMFG! They cloned WoW and put in: 1) public quests 2) tome of knowledge 3) world PvP objectives 4) > 20 scenarios (instanced PvP) 5) PvP levelling 6) renown ranks and abilities 7) tactics 8) morale abilities 9) keep and city sieges 10) living cities 11) living guilds 12) warhammer lore 13) gritty dark environments 14) your mom 15) pvp quests 16) world scenario queing 17) healer/caster hybrids 18) tank caster hybrids 19) dual targetting of enemies and allies 20) territory control 21) in built configurable/resizable ui elements 22) a PvP endgame
...................oh wait did i say wow clone? I meant I invented stone soup........
You forgot the best part, being chickened. Frank Perdue and Colonel Sanders would be proud of this game.
This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?
I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.
Then just go back to wow grind your next 10 lvls in Wotbitchking and get ur freaking glowing cutezy flying uber frost mount with your sparkly pink pally shoulders and go smash a roley poley orc.
This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?
I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.
I completely disagree. I remember WOW the first few levels i thought hmm pretty good, and i hated it by level 20. In WAR i actually thought hmm ok it s doable at level 5 by the time i hit 12 and keep takes etc i LOVED it. So no not all need will be the same at lvl 3 and 20 etc.
This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?
I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.
Oh come on Papa, by level three you have exactly four abilities (not counting sprint) you cannot draw a conclusion from that. There isn't a game out there that plays the same at level three as it does even at level ten. Everyone here knows you don't like the game so just move on. That's all there is to it, play something else.
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This is a first impressions review and guess what it is...the guy's first impressions! I'm not really surprised by this review as I've already heard it many times from many in the beta and is the main reason I passed on it. I've played WoW,EQ and DAoC to death and don't need to play them again in a new wrapper. I love how all of the fanbois are jumping all over this guy for giving an honest review of his first impressions. He even admits that he didn't have a lot of time to play and will follow this review with a more qualified one later after he's played some more.
You know it's pretty sad that you all have to jump all over this guy just because he doesn't share all of your blind faith in WAR. This thread reminds me of the AoC forums just before that game launched. All of the fanbois there were defending their game like a pack of rabid dogs as well. Not saying that WAR will end up like AoC but the similarities in the pre-launch communities are uncanny. A lot of people including myself are going to feel just like this guy did so you better get used to reviews like this one. There will be many of them after the game launches.
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with you 100% Bren. Most of the replies in this thread are just pure comedy gold. Trying to tell a guy his first impressions are wrong, because he didn't spend enough time playing. So how long should he have played? 20 levels? 30 levels? Till he got to level 40 cap? How about 6 months? A Year? Please get a grip.
Also to a point I agree with him. I played the CB for a short time. Had to stop, but I came back for the OB. Thanks to Engima pointing out Target had those SE Pre-orders for 1 buck. Nothing loss there. I've played several classes on both sides to 9 to 13, and I still agree with his first impressions.
Also note that the guy did not say the game wasn't fun. He was right when he said that game needs more work. Right now Warhammer is fun to play in spurts, but it's nothing but IMHO it's an average MMO at best. Alot of great things about it that are just marred down by average gameplay mechanics.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
Then just go back to wow grind your next 10 lvls in Wotbitchking and get ur freaking glowing cutezy flying uber frost mount with your sparkly pink pally shoulders and go smash a roley poley orc.
If you don't fit in don't get in....
Haha, best photoshop ever!
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Originally posted by Locklain Originally posted by emperorvl
If you don't fit in don't get in....
Haha, best photoshop ever!
That looks like Santa...
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Now everyone just calm down, calm down. Daddy Roosevelt is here to make everything all better! Now I just recently started playing LOTRO, I am now level 21, and I will admit it, very addicted. I played the game to level 5 or so before and thought "Wow this game is a stinker!". The fact is some games just do not offer the ability to be great and have tons of action right away. Look at Age of Conan, I have heard people loved the first 20 levels and hated the rest of the game. Its all based on the game, if you want to give it a chance to be good, it might just be good. If you dont, well then "DUUUUUUHHH!".
_____________________________ At the turn of the century... In 2008... Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
From the story above: The amount of time I was actually able to spend with the game wasn't much, and judging any game on the first three levels of play would be hasty, let alone an MMORPG. I don't think the author of that piece listened his own common sense well enough. His entire impression seems to be based on roughly ten minutes of play. Unless he went to a PvP zone and took down some keeps, he was sort of missing the point. And he could have only really tried one class out of 20 or so. Of course a lot of folks on this website hate pretty any new MMO that comes out if it isn't pre-Trammel UO or a forced grouping grinder with punishing amounts of downtime ala luanch EQ. I don't expect reaction to WAR here to be any different.
The point is as a normal gamer you judge a game by the first few levels of a game. If it interests you, you keep playing if its lacking you stop. Thats the point he is trying to make. Nothing in the first few levels says hey play my game. Which is true because thats exactly how i felt when i loaded it up. I was like hmm did this before with EQ, EQ2, WoW, SWG, list can keep going. The story of the first few levels just is lacking BAD. EQ2 has a little adventure for the first few levels and WoW has a little story of its own aswell. I loaded up talked to a NPC he gave me a quest. No Audio for the quest giver and i went on to do the task BLAH is all i can say bout that. Plain Dull no substance. I know i will get slammed for it but only reason im giving it a month is because 5 friends of mine think its fun so i like to play with them so ill just tough it out bitching to them the whole way. =P
There are a few flaws in many things that have been said. First off you are all TOTALLY wrong when you say that the first levels of the MMO are most important. OMG you did not like the first 10 minutes of the game? Good thing that is ONLY 10 minutes. IMO the point of an MMO is end game. Why else would you chose and MMO over a simple RPG? WAR has been designed around its end game content (that is why leveling to 40 is SO easy). But they keep it non static by having the renown system in there so once you do reach rank 40 you have A LOT of work to do still to reach Renown Rank 80.
I played WoW from October 2004 - June 2008 (with a few small breaks in there) and I only leveled up 4 characters during that time. Want to know why? WoW was VERY boring during the leveling up process because all you could do was quest. In WAR you can do quests (and public quests), scenarios, RVR, ect. It is a MUCH more enjoyable system than that of WoW.
Someone stated in a post that we are "bashing" the OP on his opinion while we are just going in to the game with blind faith. YOU ARE WRONG. I am going in to the game with true faith because I have played it (and much longer than 10 minutes). If anyone is throwing around an unmerited opinion it is the OP. Instead of us having "blind faith" it is the OP who has "Blind dislike" for the game.
Finally one thing about WAR that I enjoy, but I know some people who will not is the fact that it IS not a solo game. WoW is a game that can be done in small guilds/groups of friends. To be TRULY successful in WAR you need to be in a serious (and large) guild. If you don't like that then don't play the game. I enjoy working with other people to accomplish goals. WAR will not be for everyone, but do not bash a game and call it similar to WoW when you have played .001% of the content.
From the story above: The amount of time I was actually able to spend with the game wasn't much, and judging any game on the first three levels of play would be hasty, let alone an MMORPG. I don't think the author of that piece listened his own common sense well enough. His entire impression seems to be based on roughly ten minutes of play. Unless he went to a PvP zone and took down some keeps, he was sort of missing the point. And he could have only really tried one class out of 20 or so. Of course a lot of folks on this website hate pretty any new MMO that comes out if it isn't pre-Trammel UO or a forced grouping grinder with punishing amounts of downtime ala luanch EQ. I don't expect reaction to WAR here to be any different.
But an mmo should grab you and be fun in the first 10 minutes.. not "the fun starts at lvl x". I felt just as the OP did. It wants to play like WoW with RVR but it falls short of the mark and the world looks and feels boring. Just my Honest opinion ofc.
I thought the first 10 levels of WoW were boring and that it did not pick up until level 15-20. WAR was fun right from the start and had much cooler game world with lots of stuff going on in the starting zones. Between Public quests and the tons of NPCs actually fighting a war.
And if you think the graphics suck go to Troll Country don't look at screen shot of Ellyrion. The trees in Elliyrion do look just like WoW. Troll Country js something WoW cannot pull off.
This reviewer has no idea what he is talking about. No one even mentions important things like AP being completely different than Mana. There is no such thing as OOM in WAR. Seriously that reviewer should be ashamed of himself. He has no idea how it is even different it only how it is similar.
There are a few flaws in many things that have been said. First off you are all TOTALLY wrong when you say that the first levels of the MMO are most important. OMG you did not like the first 10 minutes of the game? Good thing that is ONLY 10 minutes. IMO the point of an MMO is end game. Why else would you chose and MMO over a simple RPG? WAR has been designed around its end game content (that is why leveling to 40 is SO easy). But they keep it non static by having the renown system in there so once you do reach rank 40 you have A LOT of work to do still to reach Renown Rank 80.
I played WoW from October 2004 - June 2008 (with a few small breaks in there) and I only leveled up 4 characters during that time. Want to know why? WoW was VERY boring during the leveling up process because all you could do was quest. In WAR you can do quests (and public quests), scenarios, RVR, ect. It is a MUCH more enjoyable system than that of WoW. Someone stated in a post that we are "bashing" the OP on his opinion while we are just going in to the game with blind faith. YOU ARE WRONG. I am going in to the game with true faith because I have played it (and much longer than 10 minutes). If anyone is throwing around an unmerited opinion it is the OP. Instead of us having "blind faith" it is the OP who has "Blind dislike" for the game.
Finally one thing about WAR that I enjoy, but I know some people who will not is the fact that it IS not a solo game. WoW is a game that can be done in small guilds/groups of friends. To be TRULY successful in WAR you need to be in a serious (and large) guild. If you don't like that then don't play the game. I enjoy working with other people to accomplish goals. WAR will not be for everyone, but do not bash a game and call it similar to WoW when you have played .001% of the content.
Your entire post is pure dribble. A bunch of sentences stringed together, and placed out there, as if they were fact. You on more then one time said people were "wrong" in your post. Please explain who made you judge, jury, and executioner on what's right and wrong for everyone.
A game should be fun from the start. Not simply when you get to end game. If you aren't having fun for the first 39 levels of your characters 120 levels. Then why are those first 39 even there? IMHO, one of Warhammers problems is the game isn't fun PvE wise at the start. Sure if you jump into a Scenario from the start. You might have fun, that changes person to person though. I found that Warhammer didn't get interesting till level 8 and beyond. I got a generally sucktastic feeling from most of the classes from 1 to 7.
The red parts I highlighted in your original post, are what make it dribble. The blue part is just pure foolishness at best. Reread your post and please then tell us who is really passing off "opinion" as "fact".
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
This is a first impressions review and guess what it is...the guy's first impressions! I'm not really surprised by this review as I've already heard it many times from many in the beta and is the main reason I passed on it. I've played WoW,EQ and DAoC to death and don't need to play them again in a new wrapper. I love how all of the fanbois are jumping all over this guy for giving an honest review of his first impressions. He even admits that he didn't have a lot of time to play and will follow this review with a more qualified one later after he's played some more.
You know it's pretty sad that you all have to jump all over this guy just because he doesn't share all of your blind faith in WAR. This thread reminds me of the AoC forums just before that game launched. All of the fanbois there were defending their game like a pack of rabid dogs as well. Not saying that WAR will end up like AoC but the similarities in the pre-launch communities are uncanny. A lot of people including myself are going to feel just like this guy did so you better get used to reviews like this one. There will be many of them after the game launches.
Bren
with you 100% Bren. Most of the replies in this thread are just pure comedy gold. Trying to tell a guy his first impressions are wrong, because he didn't spend enough time playing. So how long should he have played? 20 levels? 30 levels? Till he got to level 40 cap? How about 6 months? A Year? Please get a grip.
Also to a point I agree with him. I played the CB for a short time. Had to stop, but I came back for the OB. Thanks to Engima pointing out Target had those SE Pre-orders for 1 buck. Nothing loss there. I've played several classes on both sides to 9 to 13, and I still agree with his first impressions.
Also note that the guy did not say the game wasn't fun. He was right when he said that game needs more work. Right now Warhammer is fun to play in spurts, but it's nothing but IMHO it's an average MMO at best. Alot of great things about it that are just marred down by average gameplay mechanics.
I agree with your agreement!!!
Also lol at everyone in this thread who is trying to defend WAR's obviously cloniness (yay words) by pointing out how WoW is a clone of games before it. So...basically you are saying WAR is a clone...of a clone? A ok you have convinced me and ill call back and un-cancelify (making up words cause im tired) my pre-order now.
WAR is a clone, get over it. Doesn't mean its not fun. As someone else in the thread said...why are people expecting WAR to not be a clone? Its just another MMO that focuses more on PVP, whats wrong with being a clone?
Nothing is wrong with being a clone. If the game is fun...GO HAVE FUN!!! But the game is a clone, and some people are just bored with this style of gameplay. I for one am very turned off by sci-fi games that arent shooters...but am absolutly loving EVE just because it is very different in terms of combat and is also a sandbox. And I am definitely waiting on Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc because they arent complete clones of your EQ, DAoC, WoW, WAR, LoTRO etc etc.
Guys if you are having fun in WAR...play it and why bother with people who wont be playing? Im just here because I found it hard to believe how people are trying to state that this guy's opinion is somehow irrelevant. Guess what...if the initial stages of the MMO are a snoozefest and give off that cloney feeling...it is going to turn some people away who wont stick around.
I am having a blast in WAR to be honest, only because I am a PVP player and I enjoy its focus on pvp. However it really is just WoW-esque pvp with different classes and the same combat system, so I wont be playing on release. I will be enjoy the PVP with actual consequences in EVE until DF flops or comes through.
Enjoy the game guys, and lighten up a bit while you are at it.
"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What's funny is if he said nothing but good things about it the Warhammer fanatics would be cheering him on =P
I like the game but at the same time just can't get into it so i'm leaning more and more towards EVE which i'm finding alot more fun i think today or tomorrow will decide if i cancel my CE's for WAR.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
I did the open beta download and when I got in I was like "so been there done that".
On top of it, the game is so simple, on rails and linear it hurt.
It will still do very well though. The simplier the better these days. I'll bet my next paycheck that Diablo III has more depth then any of these new MMO's.
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Honestly i say who cares. I don t care if it clones HKO as long as it s fun and to me it s a blast.
The writer of the article has hang-ups about graphics... and about "WoW-like" things in the UI.
huh.
So you're telling me that everything WoW has done has been original and that these attempts by Warhammer to use the "rogue system of combo points" of WoW is a big let-down?
I'm sorry... I'm just having a really, really difficult time understanding how you can connect the games on this basis.
Lets face facts here people. Every game ever created from this point forward that wants to use "combo points" or wants to use a "rage meter" or hell, lets even go as far as to say to use mana, will be considered "like WoW". WoW's success has been so phenomenal that for 5 years after WoW has its sunset (and yes people, it will eventually have one), people will still be comparing games to WoW and the system that they used. WoW's system is very basic and very easy to use. That is the secret to its huge success. You can pick the game up and start playing it very easily and very quickly and not many IQ points are involved.
The thing that has kept MMO's to the older, non-l33t Halo crowd has been their learning curve and the time that it takes for one to truly get involved and get the true scope of the game. WoW however has taken that deep lake of the MMO genre and has turned it into the wading pool at the local YMCA. Anyone can get in, it just takes a small price... and you have to enjoy standing in urine.
Honestly, I'm surprised that the article didn't go into how WAR is ripping off WoW's lore.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
The reviewer was just mad he couldn't stunlock and pwn noobs for lawlerskates.
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ZOMFG! They cloned WoW and put in:
1) public quests
2) tome of knowledge
3) world PvP objectives
4) > 20 scenarios (instanced PvP)
5) PvP levelling
6) renown ranks and abilities
7) tactics
8) morale abilities
9) keep and city sieges
10) living cities
11) living guilds
12) warhammer lore
13) gritty dark environments
14) your mom
15) pvp quests
16) world scenario queing
17) healer/caster hybrids
18) tank caster hybrids
19) dual targetting of enemies and allies
20) territory control
21) in built configurable/resizable ui elements
22) a PvP endgame
...................oh wait did i say wow clone? I meant I invented stone soup........
A WoW fan does not play WAR for but a few minutes a convention and then complains about the game and the design? I am astounded that the Warcry editors let this one through.
I have only been to the Warcry site a couple of times, but I can certainly say that it sucks bad when compared to other gaming sites. I was expecting so much more from Warcry, even though I only looked at the first page on the site. They should have put more effort into it. And the performance was bad. It was just like so many other gaming sites I have visited.
What a noob.
You forgot the best part, being chickened. Frank Perdue and Colonel Sanders would be proud of this game.
Except Chaos chickens are missing the best part. . .
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This review is bases on three levels of play on a convention floor. They guys isn't even in beta.
Why did someone post a link to this joke of a review?
It's insulting to our intelligence.
And just remember people, AoC was getting 8 out of 10 reviews everywhere. So it you want to take reviews seriously, you are not the bright.
This is true chickens can be deadly......
This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?
I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.
Then just go back to wow grind your next 10 lvls in Wotbitchking and get ur freaking glowing cutezy flying uber frost mount with your sparkly pink pally shoulders and go smash a roley poley orc.
If you don't fit in don't get in....
I completely disagree. I remember WOW the first few levels i thought hmm pretty good, and i hated it by level 20. In WAR i actually thought hmm ok it s doable at level 5 by the time i hit 12 and keep takes etc i LOVED it. So no not all need will be the same at lvl 3 and 20 etc.
Oh come on Papa, by level three you have exactly four abilities (not counting sprint) you cannot draw a conclusion from that. There isn't a game out there that plays the same at level three as it does even at level ten. Everyone here knows you don't like the game so just move on. That's all there is to it, play something else.
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Also to a point I agree with him. I played the CB for a short time. Had to stop, but I came back for the OB. Thanks to Engima pointing out Target had those SE Pre-orders for 1 buck. Nothing loss there. I've played several classes on both sides to 9 to 13, and I still agree with his first impressions.
Also note that the guy did not say the game wasn't fun. He was right when he said that game needs more work. Right now Warhammer is fun to play in spurts, but it's nothing but IMHO it's an average MMO at best. Alot of great things about it that are just marred down by average gameplay mechanics.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Haha, best photoshop ever!
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That looks like Santa...
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Now everyone just calm down, calm down. Daddy Roosevelt is here to make everything all better! Now I just recently started playing LOTRO, I am now level 21, and I will admit it, very addicted. I played the game to level 5 or so before and thought "Wow this game is a stinker!". The fact is some games just do not offer the ability to be great and have tons of action right away. Look at Age of Conan, I have heard people loved the first 20 levels and hated the rest of the game. Its all based on the game, if you want to give it a chance to be good, it might just be good. If you dont, well then "DUUUUUUHHH!".
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Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
This is his story....
The point is as a normal gamer you judge a game by the first few levels of a game. If it interests you, you keep playing if its lacking you stop. Thats the point he is trying to make. Nothing in the first few levels says hey play my game. Which is true because thats exactly how i felt when i loaded it up. I was like hmm did this before with EQ, EQ2, WoW, SWG, list can keep going. The story of the first few levels just is lacking BAD. EQ2 has a little adventure for the first few levels and WoW has a little story of its own aswell. I loaded up talked to a NPC he gave me a quest. No Audio for the quest giver and i went on to do the task BLAH is all i can say bout that. Plain Dull no substance. I know i will get slammed for it but only reason im giving it a month is because 5 friends of mine think its fun so i like to play with them so ill just tough it out bitching to them the whole way. =P
There are a few flaws in many things that have been said. First off you are all TOTALLY wrong when you say that the first levels of the MMO are most important. OMG you did not like the first 10 minutes of the game? Good thing that is ONLY 10 minutes. IMO the point of an MMO is end game. Why else would you chose and MMO over a simple RPG? WAR has been designed around its end game content (that is why leveling to 40 is SO easy). But they keep it non static by having the renown system in there so once you do reach rank 40 you have A LOT of work to do still to reach Renown Rank 80.
I played WoW from October 2004 - June 2008 (with a few small breaks in there) and I only leveled up 4 characters during that time. Want to know why? WoW was VERY boring during the leveling up process because all you could do was quest. In WAR you can do quests (and public quests), scenarios, RVR, ect. It is a MUCH more enjoyable system than that of WoW.
Someone stated in a post that we are "bashing" the OP on his opinion while we are just going in to the game with blind faith. YOU ARE WRONG. I am going in to the game with true faith because I have played it (and much longer than 10 minutes). If anyone is throwing around an unmerited opinion it is the OP. Instead of us having "blind faith" it is the OP who has "Blind dislike" for the game.
Finally one thing about WAR that I enjoy, but I know some people who will not is the fact that it IS not a solo game. WoW is a game that can be done in small guilds/groups of friends. To be TRULY successful in WAR you need to be in a serious (and large) guild. If you don't like that then don't play the game. I enjoy working with other people to accomplish goals. WAR will not be for everyone, but do not bash a game and call it similar to WoW when you have played .001% of the content.
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But an mmo should grab you and be fun in the first 10 minutes.. not "the fun starts at lvl x". I felt just as the OP did. It wants to play like WoW with RVR but it falls short of the mark and the world looks and feels boring. Just my Honest opinion ofc.
I thought the first 10 levels of WoW were boring and that it did not pick up until level 15-20. WAR was fun right from the start and had much cooler game world with lots of stuff going on in the starting zones. Between Public quests and the tons of NPCs actually fighting a war.
And if you think the graphics suck go to Troll Country don't look at screen shot of Ellyrion. The trees in Elliyrion do look just like WoW. Troll Country js something WoW cannot pull off.
This reviewer has no idea what he is talking about. No one even mentions important things like AP being completely different than Mana. There is no such thing as OOM in WAR. Seriously that reviewer should be ashamed of himself. He has no idea how it is even different it only how it is similar.
Once again a completely negligent reviewer.
Your entire post is pure dribble. A bunch of sentences stringed together, and placed out there, as if they were fact. You on more then one time said people were "wrong" in your post. Please explain who made you judge, jury, and executioner on what's right and wrong for everyone.
A game should be fun from the start. Not simply when you get to end game. If you aren't having fun for the first 39 levels of your characters 120 levels. Then why are those first 39 even there? IMHO, one of Warhammers problems is the game isn't fun PvE wise at the start. Sure if you jump into a Scenario from the start. You might have fun, that changes person to person though. I found that Warhammer didn't get interesting till level 8 and beyond. I got a generally sucktastic feeling from most of the classes from 1 to 7.
The red parts I highlighted in your original post, are what make it dribble. The blue part is just pure foolishness at best. Reread your post and please then tell us who is really passing off "opinion" as "fact".
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
Also to a point I agree with him. I played the CB for a short time. Had to stop, but I came back for the OB. Thanks to Engima pointing out Target had those SE Pre-orders for 1 buck. Nothing loss there. I've played several classes on both sides to 9 to 13, and I still agree with his first impressions.
Also note that the guy did not say the game wasn't fun. He was right when he said that game needs more work. Right now Warhammer is fun to play in spurts, but it's nothing but IMHO it's an average MMO at best. Alot of great things about it that are just marred down by average gameplay mechanics.
I agree with your agreement!!!
Also lol at everyone in this thread who is trying to defend WAR's obviously cloniness (yay words) by pointing out how WoW is a clone of games before it. So...basically you are saying WAR is a clone...of a clone? A ok you have convinced me and ill call back and un-cancelify (making up words cause im tired) my pre-order now.
WAR is a clone, get over it. Doesn't mean its not fun. As someone else in the thread said...why are people expecting WAR to not be a clone? Its just another MMO that focuses more on PVP, whats wrong with being a clone?
Nothing is wrong with being a clone. If the game is fun...GO HAVE FUN!!! But the game is a clone, and some people are just bored with this style of gameplay. I for one am very turned off by sci-fi games that arent shooters...but am absolutly loving EVE just because it is very different in terms of combat and is also a sandbox. And I am definitely waiting on Darkfall, Mortal Online, etc because they arent complete clones of your EQ, DAoC, WoW, WAR, LoTRO etc etc.
Guys if you are having fun in WAR...play it and why bother with people who wont be playing? Im just here because I found it hard to believe how people are trying to state that this guy's opinion is somehow irrelevant. Guess what...if the initial stages of the MMO are a snoozefest and give off that cloney feeling...it is going to turn some people away who wont stick around.
I am having a blast in WAR to be honest, only because I am a PVP player and I enjoy its focus on pvp. However it really is just WoW-esque pvp with different classes and the same combat system, so I wont be playing on release. I will be enjoy the PVP with actual consequences in EVE until DF flops or comes through.
Enjoy the game guys, and lighten up a bit while you are at it.
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"The monsters are tough. I was looking for a challenge, but these things are just too damn smart." -DF Beta Tester
"If people were dismissing it, then they wouldn't be talking about it. The well-meaning gamers root for efforts that try to raise the bar. So who's left? It's so easy being a skeptic." -Tasos
What's funny is if he said nothing but good things about it the Warhammer fanatics would be cheering him on =P
I like the game but at the same time just can't get into it so i'm leaning more and more towards EVE which i'm finding alot more fun i think today or tomorrow will decide if i cancel my CE's for WAR.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
I was hyped for WH.
I did the open beta download and when I got in I was like "so been there done that".
On top of it, the game is so simple, on rails and linear it hurt.
It will still do very well though. The simplier the better these days. I'll bet my next paycheck that Diablo III has more depth then any of these new MMO's.
I give up....