I agree with you there mate. I think it's the carebears that are the problem. I love PVP but also love to PVE, i prefer games that are large, so if i feel like pve i can go find a place that i can, but always have that added buzz of having to watch your back.
Hardcore to me is a player that goes deep into thier character and as the previous poster said, make thier toon the best it can be. They do it in different ways, but all seem to live thier character.
Casual to me means a player that just pops on and doesnt feel the need to progress all the time, but simply enjoys the game as they choose.
In all honesty, the real hardcore players are the ones who write out full walkthroughs of their game and place them on gamefaqs. The hardcore players are the ones who make your WoW boss mods that tell you the exact timing a boss is going to perform an attack etc. They were the ones who first figured out how to complete the newest DAOC Trials of Atlantis boss with their guild of 50 people. (Anyone who did the trials konws that the bosses were hard as all hell to figure out and there were no strategy guides for them.) The extreme hardcore gamers are the ones who post YouTube videos of how to beat Super RType on hard mode without firing a single shot. These are the guys who will take an obscure description of a spell in an MMO and figure out the exact percentages and stat numbers the spell effects through trial and error.
Basically the hardcore gamers are nowhere near these forums because they are too busy writing strat guides, mods, and doing the impossible in their games for the rest of us to enjoy and take advantage of.
In all honesty, the real hardcore players are the ones who write out full walkthroughs of their game and place them on gamefaqs. The hardcore players are the ones who make your WoW boss mods that tell you the exact timing a boss is going to perform an attack etc. They were the ones who first figured out how to complete the newest DAOC Trials of Atlantis boss with their guild of 50 people. (Anyone who did the trials konws that the bosses were hard as all hell to figure out and there were no strategy guides for them.) The extreme hardcore gamers are the ones who post YouTube videos of how to beat Super RType on hard mode without firing a single shot. These are the guys who will take an obscure description of a spell in an MMO and figure out the exact percentages and stat numbers the spell effects through trial and error. Basically the hardcore gamers are nowhere near these forums because they are too busy writing strat guides, mods, and doing the impossible in their games for the rest of us to enjoy and take advantage of.
They would fall under Elite Gamers in my heirarchy, a little more hardcore than most hardcore gamers.
Whats funny is both terms are merely an extension of the adolescent boy need to feel dominant in a fashion. Some take up sports, those who dont, end up beating their chest here instead.
Its a sad day, the nerds have turned into the same jerks that picked on em.
It's a simple fact of life. Humans are competitive by nature no matter what they do. Sport, business, chess, knitting, frisbee, computer games, war. Think of a single activity that doesn't have some form of competition associated to it. Dog shows anyone?
I'd rather be the caveman who came back from the hunt with a carcass over his shoulder and if that takes more practise with the spear, then so be it. And I'd still rag on carebear who thinks the spears are too heavy and the animals too fast.
I recently cane across the term “carebear” and looked at the context to find its definition. From what I saw I would define a carebear as someone who refuses to PvP unless the odds are greatly in their favor. Using this definition I hate carebears because I see in them weak spineless individuals. It frustrates me to no end when a guy is camping a large group of lower levels and I know we could take him if we just banded together! But they never do! They’d prefer to get beaten by the strong and sulk away then fight back! It’s carebear mentality that allows tyrants to rule!
I try to make a point of teaching people to stand up for them selves. Some times I play the role of ganker, only to yell at them to team up and take me out. It doesn’t work most of the time, usually they try to get away or log their mains. But once and a great while they do team up and prove to be a great challenge and take me out! I love the people who give me those moments.
They are too busy admiring the beautiful scenery, rp'ing with friends and complaining on forums that recent balances to pvp means it takes them a little longer to kill their favourite mob. On the rare occasions that they do attempt to pvp they usually get their ass handed to them by someone who does it all day everyday then they'll run off complaining of overpowered classes and pvp items.
It's a simple fact of life. Humans are competitive by nature no matter what they do. Sport, business, chess, knitting, frisbee, computer games, war. Think of a single activity that doesn't have some form of competition associated to it. Dog shows anyone? I'd rather be the caveman who came back from the hunt with a carcass over his shoulder and if that takes more practise with the spear, then so be it. And I'd still rag on carebear who thinks the spears are too heavy and the animals too fast.
yeah too bad playign MMOs takes very little skill. And trust me, practicing with a weapon and being in good enough shape to hunt your own food is a far cry from the two fat guys, one of which needs SOMEONE too look down or or he'll continue to feel like hes at the bottom of the totem pole.
Although I will say its more like Guitar Hero, Youve got the guys that think theyre the greatest ever after mastering the video game. Then youve got the guys who do the real thing, who have bloodied their fingers, and sacrificed many a night to learn how to do the real thing.
Carebear = Pwny (for the show "My Little Pony" as well as what you do to them, own them)
PK = Punchkin (Combination of the Grief of watching a Munchkin get punched.)
So, regardless of if your a Pwny or Punchkin, some people will approach the roleplay experience differently. Some will be casual, some will be hardcore regardless of being a pwny or punchkin.
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius." -Oscar Wilde
Well lets see, I just play the game however the f*ck i do so please. What does that make me? A carebare one day, a Pvper the next, and a hardcore gamer by night? I honestly think the prime audience in MMO's are all 3 at once. As it would get annoying for most people to be just 1 all the time. Theres usually a blend between PVPing, RPing, Hunting.. Is that gay, because if you turned those all into a bear, i am sure it would be rainbow colored.
A hardcore player is one who will do everything in a game, find every secret, play often and seriously. A speedrunner is a good example of a hardcore player.
A carebear is a casual player. He seldom play games and tend to shy away from the hardcore crowd. Ex: a father who buys a WII for his son and sometimes play the soccergame with him.
In mmo-terms its used to by pvp idiots to insult those that don't. The term is used wrong by them though. You ain't hardcore just cause you rule the pvp crowd. You are just a pvp'er.
WoW for example is being made to tailor to carebears and Blizzard is screwing over all of their hardcore players.. turning everyone who plays it casually and at a less than par dedication into carebears.
WoW is the best well-rounded MMORPG on the market today. First thing... 90% of everything works perfectly. Secondly, the game pushes each player to the end-game. Also, WoW has a very credible Storyline that many 'end-gamers' don't even know. It is tailored to the 'Noob Gamer' right out of the box, which is why a seven year old can pick it up and grow with it. The graphics are pleasing to the eye, and with today's high-end computers, playing WoW is almost lag-free.
Blizzard managed to capture a very rude and disfunctional playerbase over the years, and you know what, they want people like me to come back; not realizing that it's not the game that sucks, it's the players.
Thanks for your insight on my OP. I can take a good punch, and expect lots of low-blows.
Hardcore is a mindset. Hardcore is much more about thinking then about action. Hardcore is about patience, about reaching certain goals. No matter if you play 80 hours a week or 2 hours. Hardcore is not about the best gear to PvP or Raid or PvE. Hardcore is about walking the game machanics on a high level of concentration. Hardcore is often about adding personal rules ontop of the game rules. Like playing a class on its max BUT always IC. If the IC fails the hardcore attempt failed. Hardcore is sometimes to choose the long and hard road on purpose, to leave the mainstream mechanics and reach the top with a private ruleset. Hardcore is very often true roleplaying. Like never killing a fairy, even if the fairies drop the best items in game.
Now that is what i wish i had said on so many "hardcore/carebear" threads. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. while others might disagree with you, to me that is spot on.
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I agree with you there mate. I think it's the carebears that are the problem. I love PVP but also love to PVE, i prefer games that are large, so if i feel like pve i can go find a place that i can, but always have that added buzz of having to watch your back.
Hardcore to me is a player that goes deep into thier character and as the previous poster said, make thier toon the best it can be. They do it in different ways, but all seem to live thier character.
Casual to me means a player that just pops on and doesnt feel the need to progress all the time, but simply enjoys the game as they choose.
In all honesty, the real hardcore players are the ones who write out full walkthroughs of their game and place them on gamefaqs. The hardcore players are the ones who make your WoW boss mods that tell you the exact timing a boss is going to perform an attack etc. They were the ones who first figured out how to complete the newest DAOC Trials of Atlantis boss with their guild of 50 people. (Anyone who did the trials konws that the bosses were hard as all hell to figure out and there were no strategy guides for them.) The extreme hardcore gamers are the ones who post YouTube videos of how to beat Super RType on hard mode without firing a single shot. These are the guys who will take an obscure description of a spell in an MMO and figure out the exact percentages and stat numbers the spell effects through trial and error.
Basically the hardcore gamers are nowhere near these forums because they are too busy writing strat guides, mods, and doing the impossible in their games for the rest of us to enjoy and take advantage of.
They would fall under Elite Gamers in my heirarchy, a little more hardcore than most hardcore gamers.
Whats funny is both terms are merely an extension of the adolescent boy need to feel dominant in a fashion. Some take up sports, those who dont, end up beating their chest here instead.
Its a sad day, the nerds have turned into the same jerks that picked on em.
It's a simple fact of life. Humans are competitive by nature no matter what they do. Sport, business, chess, knitting, frisbee, computer games, war. Think of a single activity that doesn't have some form of competition associated to it. Dog shows anyone?
I'd rather be the caveman who came back from the hunt with a carcass over his shoulder and if that takes more practise with the spear, then so be it. And I'd still rag on carebear who thinks the spears are too heavy and the animals too fast.
I recently cane across the term “carebear” and looked at the context to find its definition. From what I saw I would define a carebear as someone who refuses to PvP unless the odds are greatly in their favor. Using this definition I hate carebears because I see in them weak spineless individuals. It frustrates me to no end when a guy is camping a large group of lower levels and I know we could take him if we just banded together! But they never do! They’d prefer to get beaten by the strong and sulk away then fight back! It’s carebear mentality that allows tyrants to rule!
I try to make a point of teaching people to stand up for them selves. Some times I play the role of ganker, only to yell at them to team up and take me out. It doesn’t work most of the time, usually they try to get away or log their mains. But once and a great while they do team up and prove to be a great challenge and take me out! I love the people who give me those moments.
I wouldn't normally associate carebears with pvp.
They are too busy admiring the beautiful scenery, rp'ing with friends and complaining on forums that recent balances to pvp means it takes them a little longer to kill their favourite mob. On the rare occasions that they do attempt to pvp they usually get their ass handed to them by someone who does it all day everyday then they'll run off complaining of overpowered classes and pvp items.
yeah too bad playign MMOs takes very little skill. And trust me, practicing with a weapon and being in good enough shape to hunt your own food is a far cry from the two fat guys, one of which needs SOMEONE too look down or or he'll continue to feel like hes at the bottom of the totem pole.
Although I will say its more like Guitar Hero, Youve got the guys that think theyre the greatest ever after mastering the video game. Then youve got the guys who do the real thing, who have bloodied their fingers, and sacrificed many a night to learn how to do the real thing.
Theres a difference.
Going to coin some new terms here first.
Carebear = Pwny (for the show "My Little Pony" as well as what you do to them, own them)
PK = Punchkin (Combination of the Grief of watching a Munchkin get punched.)
So, regardless of if your a Pwny or Punchkin, some people will approach the roleplay experience differently. Some will be casual, some will be hardcore regardless of being a pwny or punchkin.
"The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius."
-Oscar Wilde
Well lets see, I just play the game however the f*ck i do so please. What does that make me? A carebare one day, a Pvper the next, and a hardcore gamer by night? I honestly think the prime audience in MMO's are all 3 at once. As it would get annoying for most people to be just 1 all the time. Theres usually a blend between PVPing, RPing, Hunting.. Is that gay, because if you turned those all into a bear, i am sure it would be rainbow colored.
pfft
A hardcore player is one who will do everything in a game, find every secret, play often and seriously. A speedrunner is a good example of a hardcore player.
A carebear is a casual player. He seldom play games and tend to shy away from the hardcore crowd. Ex: a father who buys a WII for his son and sometimes play the soccergame with him.
In mmo-terms its used to by pvp idiots to insult those that don't. The term is used wrong by them though. You ain't hardcore just cause you rule the pvp crowd. You are just a pvp'er.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
This thread is turning into a ,edium for PVP'ers to think of themselves above all others.....is that what elitist means?
WoW is the best well-rounded MMORPG on the market today. First thing... 90% of everything works perfectly. Secondly, the game pushes each player to the end-game. Also, WoW has a very credible Storyline that many 'end-gamers' don't even know. It is tailored to the 'Noob Gamer' right out of the box, which is why a seven year old can pick it up and grow with it. The graphics are pleasing to the eye, and with today's high-end computers, playing WoW is almost lag-free.
Blizzard managed to capture a very rude and disfunctional playerbase over the years, and you know what, they want people like me to come back; not realizing that it's not the game that sucks, it's the players.
Thanks for your insight on my OP. I can take a good punch, and expect lots of low-blows.
Very good post.
Hardcore is a mindset. Hardcore is much more about thinking then about action. Hardcore is about patience, about reaching certain goals. No matter if you play 80 hours a week or 2 hours. Hardcore is not about the best gear to PvP or Raid or PvE. Hardcore is about walking the game machanics on a high level of concentration. Hardcore is often about adding personal rules ontop of the game rules. Like playing a class on its max BUT always IC. If the IC fails the hardcore attempt failed. Hardcore is sometimes to choose the long and hard road on purpose, to leave the mainstream mechanics and reach the top with a private ruleset. Hardcore is very often true roleplaying. Like never killing a fairy, even if the fairies drop the best items in game.
Now that is what i wish i had said on so many "hardcore/carebear" threads. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. while others might disagree with you, to me that is spot on.