I cannot believe all the mmo and forum snobs we have on these forums now. Since when did it get this bad. I mean darkfall is nothing more than a white paper with a pretty trailer at this point. Why do we have such rabid fanboi's for something this far from release.
What is it about darkfall that turns seasoned MMO players into rabid WoW'ish fanboi's. I have never seen a fan base as hard up to defend a game since WoW. But at least those fans had the good sense to wait until the game was released and they played through it.
Please explain to me how you can get so fired up for a white paper and pretty video's? Have you not learned anything? In the end darkfall will be about money, they will do what it takes to get and keep subs just like every other game out there. They plan to make a hard core game for hardcore MMO players. But this has been the claim of sooo many MMO's out there. I am flaberghasted at how oblivious and head in the sand some of you darkfall fanboi's are. This game will fail you in some way when it is released they all do... but I am done defending games based on what the dev (guys who want your money) tell you to whip you into a frenzy so they can sell you something.
show me a video of a guy playing the game. Provide reputible review houses a chance to play the title let me hear the words of someone with objectivity and no links to the game or its rabid fan's. I just don't understand the blind following this title has accrued. Please explain to me what drives you fanboi's to such great furvor that you must bash on this OP. (Who perhaps simply lacked education on pk looting.)
And to the OP, while your idea is one you believe in and since you obviously want all the features the game offers with none of the risk. I do not fault you. But perhaps you are better spent asking for a server type to allow you to get your game on without all the risk involved. Many non hardcore MMO's make open PvP servers to satisfy the hardcore crowd it would make sense for non-hardcore players to ask for a server with rule sets more to their liking.
I see nothing wrong with going that direction with your petition. But when you start asking for broad changes to core mechanics it's gonna rile some feathers. I think go to forumfall and start a pet for a server ruleset that would allow for more casual gamers interested in the game features without the risk to have a place to call home.
I think darkfall fan's have no problem with that, right? It keeps them off your servers and gives them a place to enjoy the title you sooo love. Everyone wins.
Gom276 Prolific MMO player Just can't say no to any mmo
Hahaha.. either you are a very bad troll, or you are a wow-bread-kiddie who needs to go back to wow and leave the mature games to others. I do have a good mind to send you over to forums.darkfallonline.com/ but I just can't bring myself to do that.. (am I getting soft??) since you will be eaten alive in forumfall (even in the newb-forum). So take a friendly advice and go away, just go away..
Edit: I feel the need, the need for a poll..
Forum Poll
Should OP dare a visit to furomfall with his opinion?
Spyhunter... Why don't you just go back to playing World of Warcraft instead of making uneducated and asinine comments about a game that you aren't strong or courageous enough to play.
All the o.Os that will make their way to DF for whatever misguided reason will just be extra noise in the way.
-Edit
Also, I would LOVE to see an actual Dev response to your proposed idea... And then would like to join in on the immense amount of laughter and ridicule that is sure to follow.
Good job guys for supporting me throughout this madness! I currently have 42 supports willing to fight along my side for Darkfall's survivable. There is no way Darkfall is going to survive against Warhammer and the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft because of the mainly concept of playerlooting which will lead Darkfall to its death! I'd take this debate to the Darkfalls' forums once I get 50 supporters!
50 carebears are not gonna make a difference to the 100's of thousands of DF fans who want exactly what the game says it will be .
WaR/WoW will not effect DF in any way they are for a totaly different type gamer. Most of the people who like those type games and what they stand for , like your self ,wouldn't want to play a game like DF , and if they did, wouldnt last a week.
There are plenty of games out there with no player looting go find yours , this isnt it .
There are many many games out there without free for all pvp or full looting, but there are very few games which do have these features. Those of us who like the idea or have played those games in the past are very excited about Darkfall, as it seems that it will deliver what we want. This is not a game for everyone, and te developers understood that when they started out. They wanted to make a game for those of us who want these features. There is no reason that this game has to be like every game out there. Please just leave it alone. If you don't like the game as it is, then go play one of the numerous games out there that aren't ffa pvp with full loot.
Please- don't ruin Darkfall for us! It's our last hope.
I am not a fan of player looting. However, I see no reason the makers of Darkfall need to change their plan just for you. Not every game has to appeal to everyone.
Good job guys for supporting me throughout this madness! I currently have 42 supports willing to fight along my side for Darkfall's survivable. There is no way Darkfall is going to survive against Warhammer and the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft because of the mainly concept of playerlooting which will lead Darkfall to its death! I'd take this debate to the Darkfalls' forums once I get 50 supporters!
Fifty? You're going to need about half a million.
The way Adventurine is advertising and developing Darkfall, I doubt it will reach 500K subscription unless they remove full looting within the game. I agree 50 isn't enough but it will eventually grow.
But ask yourself, why do you want to play this game w/o full looting? What is it that appeals to you so much that you can't get in another game?
There's more to mmorpgs besides the pvp aspects. Mmorpers looks at role-playing games to only play the pvp aspect of it without realizing that there's more to mmorpg than pvp itself like Questing, adventuring, actual roleplaying, and many different perspective. Those appealing games aren't very appealing no more, I prefer to play the upcoming revolutionary game - Darkfall. Eventhrough if Darkfall becomes the revolutionary game that the masses have been talking about, and its core objective is pvp with full looting, it doesn't mean that as pver I can't express my opinions or ideas for the better future of Darkfall, and I do believe that there should be a alternative server with partial looting at least.
You completely don't understand the core mechanics behind the game, nor the reason for full looting so why bother with DF?
I completely comprehend the core concept of Darkfall, but it doesn't mean a fan can't ask for a non-looting server for his/her friends or guild to play on without constantly fearo of losing their prize collections they oh-so took long and hard to obtain. Adventurine isn't different than any other company that produce and develope mmorpgs, they'll want as much customers as possibe. The more customer will equal more money to put meal on their family's table.
Even if the best gear is player-made it doesn't mean that the maps will be easy to obtain. Farming the mats will surely take a decent amount of time for the require equipment.
Go play one of the many other games out there more suitable to your playstyle, there certainly isn't a shortage of them.
I prefer sandbox nowadays
Sure they're other games like WoW, but they're not revolutionary are they?
But go head, hit the DF forums, they'll chew you alive and spit you out. (and they do that to folks they like, you, whoo boy)
Ty, I hope they welcome me with humble greets and hugs!
For those that are cursing at me and calling me a Carebear, I'm proud to be among them! I got 2500+ rating in WoW's arena which takes a massive amount of skills, do you have that? I'm hardcore as any other pvp, but I see more to mmorpg than stealing other player's equipment for selfish reasons.
My gameplay is different than alot of noobs in this thread that's all!
Hahaha.. either you are a very bad troll, or you are a wow-bread-kiddie who needs to go back to wow and leave the mature games to others. I do have a good mind to send you over to forums.darkfallonline.com/ but I just can't bring myself to do that.. (am I getting soft??) since you will be eaten alive in forumfall (even in the newb-forum). So take a friendly advice and go away, just go away..
Edit: I feel the need, the need for a poll..
Forum Poll
Should OP dare a visit to furomfall with his opinion?
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
We have to constantly hear about how games are not being targeted to more hardcore pvp players. There is finally a game that is targeted toward hardcore pvp players.
To that end there are so many games that you can play that have decent pve content.
I sincerely hope Aventurine doesn't cave in to these kinds of ideas.
Player looting is one of the things that makes me so anticipated for Darkfall. I haven't played a PvP game with real risk and danger in it since they killed off the Wilderness in Runescape.
Good job guys for supporting me throughout this madness! I currently have 42 supports willing to fight along my side for Darkfall's survivable. There is no way Darkfall is going to survive against Warhammer and the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft because of the mainly concept of playerlooting which will lead Darkfall to its death! I'd take this debate to the Darkfalls' forums once I get 50 supporters!
Fifty? You're going to need about half a million.
The way Adventurine is advertising and developing Darkfall, I doubt it will reach 500K subscription unless they remove full looting within the game. I agree 50 isn't enough but it will eventually grow.
But ask yourself, why do you want to play this game w/o full looting? What is it that appeals to you so much that you can't get in another game?
There's more to mmorpgs besides the pvp aspects. Mmorpers looks at role-playing games to only play the pvp aspect of it without realizing that there's more to mmorpg than pvp itself like Questing, adventuring, actual roleplaying, and many different perspective. Those appealing games aren't very appealing no more, I prefer to play the upcoming revolutionary game - Darkfall. Eventhrough if Darkfall becomes the revolutionary game that the masses have been talking about, and its core objective is pvp with full looting, it doesn't mean that as pver I can't express my opinions or ideas for the better future of Darkfall, and I do believe that there should be a alternative server with partial looting at least.
You completely don't understand the core mechanics behind the game, nor the reason for full looting so why bother with DF?
I completely comprehend the core concept of Darkfall, but it doesn't mean a fan can't ask for a non-looting server for his/her friends or guild to play on without constantly fearo of losing their prize collections they oh-so took long and hard to obtain. Adventurine isn't different than any other company that produce and develope mmorpgs, they'll want as much customers as possibe. The more customer will equal more money to put meal on their family's table.
Even if the best gear is player-made it doesn't mean that the maps will be easy to obtain. Farming the mats will surely take a decent amount of time for the require equipment.
Go play one of the many other games out there more suitable to your playstyle, there certainly isn't a shortage of them.
I prefer sandbox nowadays
Sure they're other games like WoW, but they're not revolutionary are they?
But go head, hit the DF forums, they'll chew you alive and spit you out. (and they do that to folks they like, you, whoo boy)
Ty, I hope they welcome me with humble greets and hugs!
For those that are cursing at me and calling me a Carebear, I'm proud to be among them! I got 2500+ rating in WoW's arena which takes a massive amount of skills, do you have that? I'm hardcore as any other pvp, but I see more to mmorpg than stealing other player's equipment for selfish reasons.
My gameplay is different than alot of noobs in this thread that's all!
hahahaha WoW...arena...skills ...hahahah you mean wow , where everyone eventualy gets anything they wants , wow isnt skill wow is time , everyone get high rank/uber epics , just a matter of time , hell you even get them for loosing .....
Play a real pvp game buddy , then boast your skill.
You keep saying there's more to mmorpgs than just pvp/looting , maybe for others , not this one , DF from the very begining was all about pvp/ sieging/war / mass battles and yes LOOTING , it will never change , just move on . You say mmorpgs are about questing/adventuring/Roleplaying , this game is about that full loot isnt stoping it in any way . There is more roleplay in games like this that are open sandbox, full ffa pvp with heavy faction systems , more roleplay than in your wow's eq2's .
There are no 'alternate rule sets" Df isnt goin for the mass's and it isnt trying to mold to every game type , its going for one player base people who love skill based sabdbox pvp games . There is one single game ruleset , DF nothing more nothing less .
Why are you soooooooooo hung up on this loosing your gear thing ? Its not that hard to come by , you will have plenty of gear , if you have a prized item and dont want to loose it , then BE CARFULL WITH IT >
Not every mmo dev team is out ot make the big money , ofcourse they all want it , but some are out to actualy make a game world , some are actualy out ot make something for the player, not out just to make another dollar.
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
They are doing it to counter gold farmers for starters, to generate player content and to create community within the game.
75% of your abilities will be as a direct representation of your charachter, items help but are not the be all.
Pretty Simple really without these features you just end up with the same old trash.
Surprisingly though there is a lot more to the game than full loot , I believe that NPC loot may be as good as if not better than player loot if these are challenging thats where the players will be.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Good job guys for supporting me throughout this madness! I currently have 42 supports willing to fight along my side for Darkfall's survivable. There is no way Darkfall is going to survive against Warhammer and the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft because of the mainly concept of playerlooting which will lead Darkfall to its death! I'd take this debate to the Darkfalls' forums once I get 50 supporters!
Fifty? You're going to need about half a million.
The way Adventurine is advertising and developing Darkfall, I doubt it will reach 500K subscription unless they remove full looting within the game. I agree 50 isn't enough but it will eventually grow.
But ask yourself, why do you want to play this game w/o full looting? What is it that appeals to you so much that you can't get in another game?
There's more to mmorpgs besides the pvp aspects. Mmorpers looks at role-playing games to only play the pvp aspect of it without realizing that there's more to mmorpg than pvp itself like Questing, adventuring, actual roleplaying, and many different perspective. Those appealing games aren't very appealing no more, I prefer to play the upcoming revolutionary game - Darkfall. Eventhrough if Darkfall becomes the revolutionary game that the masses have been talking about, and its core objective is pvp with full looting, it doesn't mean that as pver I can't express my opinions or ideas for the better future of Darkfall, and I do believe that there should be a alternative server with partial looting at least.
You completely don't understand the core mechanics behind the game, nor the reason for full looting so why bother with DF?
I completely comprehend the core concept of Darkfall, but it doesn't mean a fan can't ask for a non-looting server for his/her friends or guild to play on without constantly fearo of losing their prize collections they oh-so took long and hard to obtain. Adventurine isn't different than any other company that produce and develope mmorpgs, they'll want as much customers as possibe. The more customer will equal more money to put meal on their family's table.
Even if the best gear is player-made it doesn't mean that the maps will be easy to obtain. Farming the mats will surely take a decent amount of time for the require equipment.
Go play one of the many other games out there more suitable to your playstyle, there certainly isn't a shortage of them.
I prefer sandbox nowadays
Sure they're other games like WoW, but they're not revolutionary are they?
But go head, hit the DF forums, they'll chew you alive and spit you out. (and they do that to folks they like, you, whoo boy)
Ty, I hope they welcome me with humble greets and hugs!
For those that are cursing at me and calling me a Carebear, I'm proud to be among them! I got 2500+ rating in WoW's arena which takes a massive amount of skills, do you have that? I'm hardcore as any other pvp, but I see more to mmorpg than stealing other player's equipment for selfish reasons.
My gameplay is different than alot of noobs in this thread that's all!
Bahaha, I almost spilled my coffee. Get back to grinding for purples newb.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Self-confessed DF fanboy. Finally a real ****ing MMO.
There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
Why must this issue be so black and white? Full loot or this game will be a WoW clone?
Why cant the devs strike a balance and implement partial loot. That way a death wont be devestating and people will actually wear some decent equipment when PvPing and not run at the sign of an even fight.
That is how Eve is btw. If people think there is a remote possibility that they will lose then they run like girls and that is natural. Noone wants to risk to lose hours game play just for one death.
Why must this issue be so black and white? Full loot or this game will be a WoW clone? Why cant the devs strike a balance and implement partial loot. That way a death wont be devestating and people will actually wear some decent equipment when PvPing and not run at the sign of an even fight. That is how Eve is btw. If people think there is a remote possibility that they will lose then they run like girls and that is natural. Noone wants to risk to lose hours game play just for one death.
Well, Agon is a world where chaos rules. There's no social responsibilities. Most races and groups don't favor morality as a feature but as a burden.
One cannot rape, murder and pillage with a conscience.
Thus! There should be an option for farmers to flag them un-pk/pvp'able whilst they are caring for their crops.
Thank you and enjoy yourself and your time granted on these planets.
There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
I agree! I'm glad there is people with common sense on this forum section since the minority are just posting negative comments like "u nub, if u want to pve go bak 2 wow" or "carebear gtfo". I'd like to be left alone while I pve or farm instead of being harass by asshole.
There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
I agree! I'm glad there is people with common sense on this forum section since the minority are just posting negative comments like "u nub, if u want to pve go bak 2 wow" or "carebear gtfo". I'd like to be left alone while I pve or farm instead of being harass by asshole.
Partial looting would be good.
This is what frustrates me... I hear people complaining about full looting and wanting it changed but when will people realize certain games are developed for a specific player base. That's like me wanting to changed WoW or WAR to full looting and that would be a dumb suggestion because I know what those two games are developed for, pve and pvp/rvr with limits and that's totally fine. I think people need to stop trying to change a game to fit their needs and just find a game that does but Darkfall might end up like Felucca empty and then you might get your wish.
Aventurine has said that gear is not, and never will, be important, like WoW, DF will not be gear-dependant at ALL, it will almost completely skill based, although it's nice to have armor, armor makes noise, I mean really, is your enemy more likely to hear you creeping around in leather, or you going CLANK, CLANK, CLANK in some plate? I believe that the armor wil be balanced, but some really powerful enemies (a dragon for instance) will drop stronger gear, though not enough to kill someone with 100 skill (the max in any single skill) and no armor, if you have say 25 skill, though I'm not sure what the scaling will be in regards to that...
Aventurine has said that gear is not, and never will, be important, like WoW, DF will not be gear-dependant at ALL, it will almost completely skill based, although it's nice to have armor, armor makes noise, I mean really, is your enemy more likely to hear you creeping around in leather, or you going CLANK, CLANK, CLANK in some plate? I believe that the armor wil be balanced, but some really powerful enemies (a dragon for instance) will drop stronger gear, though not enough to kill someone with 100 skill (the max in any single skill) and no armor, if you have say 25 skill, though I'm not sure what the scaling will be in regards to that...
Wrong, I won't believe one word from the developers mouth commenting that gear won't play a big role in pvp. Funcom developers said the same exact thing, Mystic - Warhammer said the exact thing and I was pwning everyone in that game because I had ubber game by my side. If you gemmed out a warrior then you're invisible, and tier 1 I rolled nubs with level 10 gear.
I heard Darkfall will have gemming sockets hmm coincidence?
Of course the skill system will play an even bigger role. When you've obtain that pwnage plate set of dragonslaying along with those 100+ skills, you're going to be a mean motherfucker that'll ass rape everyone and will eventually become an asshole griefer that would steal anyone's shit regardless.
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
I have absolutely no intention to play DF. In fact, I still thinks it's vaporware and I will continue to say it's vaporware until it is actually released.
But, if DF is released, it should be released as the hardcore game it is advertised to be. Full FFA PvP and full loot. In the current competitive MMORPG market environment, it will not survive by compromising with the mainstream crowd of players. It needs to focus on that niche market of arrogant, bitter, elitist, hardcore, socially inept, teenage gankfesters that will love and support the game like it is the greatest achievement of human ingenuity and creativity.
There are too many games to nurish the mainstream crowd. A watered down DF will never be able to compete against the WARs, WOWs, LOTROs, EVEs or other dozens of P2P and F2P games currently flooding the market.
It needs to set itself far apart from the rest and cater to its niche market and reel in the strays disenchanted by mainstream MMORPG tastes.
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I cannot believe all the mmo and forum snobs we have on these forums now. Since when did it get this bad. I mean darkfall is nothing more than a white paper with a pretty trailer at this point. Why do we have such rabid fanboi's for something this far from release.
What is it about darkfall that turns seasoned MMO players into rabid WoW'ish fanboi's. I have never seen a fan base as hard up to defend a game since WoW. But at least those fans had the good sense to wait until the game was released and they played through it.
Please explain to me how you can get so fired up for a white paper and pretty video's? Have you not learned anything? In the end darkfall will be about money, they will do what it takes to get and keep subs just like every other game out there. They plan to make a hard core game for hardcore MMO players. But this has been the claim of sooo many MMO's out there. I am flaberghasted at how oblivious and head in the sand some of you darkfall fanboi's are. This game will fail you in some way when it is released they all do... but I am done defending games based on what the dev (guys who want your money) tell you to whip you into a frenzy so they can sell you something.
show me a video of a guy playing the game. Provide reputible review houses a chance to play the title let me hear the words of someone with objectivity and no links to the game or its rabid fan's. I just don't understand the blind following this title has accrued. Please explain to me what drives you fanboi's to such great furvor that you must bash on this OP. (Who perhaps simply lacked education on pk looting.)
And to the OP, while your idea is one you believe in and since you obviously want all the features the game offers with none of the risk. I do not fault you. But perhaps you are better spent asking for a server type to allow you to get your game on without all the risk involved. Many non hardcore MMO's make open PvP servers to satisfy the hardcore crowd it would make sense for non-hardcore players to ask for a server with rule sets more to their liking.
I see nothing wrong with going that direction with your petition. But when you start asking for broad changes to core mechanics it's gonna rile some feathers. I think go to forumfall and start a pet for a server ruleset that would allow for more casual gamers interested in the game features without the risk to have a place to call home.
I think darkfall fan's have no problem with that, right? It keeps them off your servers and gives them a place to enjoy the title you sooo love. Everyone wins.
Gom276
Prolific MMO player
Just can't say no to any mmo
I voted option #2
Spyhunter... Why don't you just go back to playing World of Warcraft instead of making uneducated and asinine comments about a game that you aren't strong or courageous enough to play.
All the o.Os that will make their way to DF for whatever misguided reason will just be extra noise in the way.
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Also, I would LOVE to see an actual Dev response to your proposed idea... And then would like to join in on the immense amount of laughter and ridicule that is sure to follow.
-Kin
50 carebears are not gonna make a difference to the 100's of thousands of DF fans who want exactly what the game says it will be .
WaR/WoW will not effect DF in any way they are for a totaly different type gamer. Most of the people who like those type games and what they stand for , like your self ,wouldn't want to play a game like DF , and if they did, wouldnt last a week.
There are plenty of games out there with no player looting go find yours , this isnt it .
There are many many games out there without free for all pvp or full looting, but there are very few games which do have these features. Those of us who like the idea or have played those games in the past are very excited about Darkfall, as it seems that it will deliver what we want. This is not a game for everyone, and te developers understood that when they started out. They wanted to make a game for those of us who want these features. There is no reason that this game has to be like every game out there. Please just leave it alone. If you don't like the game as it is, then go play one of the numerous games out there that aren't ffa pvp with full loot.
Please- don't ruin Darkfall for us! It's our last hope.
I am not a fan of player looting. However, I see no reason the makers of Darkfall need to change their plan just for you. Not every game has to appeal to everyone.
Fifty? You're going to need about half a million.
The way Adventurine is advertising and developing Darkfall, I doubt it will reach 500K subscription unless they remove full looting within the game. I agree 50 isn't enough but it will eventually grow.
But ask yourself, why do you want to play this game w/o full looting? What is it that appeals to you so much that you can't get in another game?
There's more to mmorpgs besides the pvp aspects. Mmorpers looks at role-playing games to only play the pvp aspect of it without realizing that there's more to mmorpg than pvp itself like Questing, adventuring, actual roleplaying, and many different perspective. Those appealing games aren't very appealing no more, I prefer to play the upcoming revolutionary game - Darkfall. Eventhrough if Darkfall becomes the revolutionary game that the masses have been talking about, and its core objective is pvp with full looting, it doesn't mean that as pver I can't express my opinions or ideas for the better future of Darkfall, and I do believe that there should be a alternative server with partial looting at least.
You completely don't understand the core mechanics behind the game, nor the reason for full looting so why bother with DF?
I completely comprehend the core concept of Darkfall, but it doesn't mean a fan can't ask for a non-looting server for his/her friends or guild to play on without constantly fearo of losing their prize collections they oh-so took long and hard to obtain. Adventurine isn't different than any other company that produce and develope mmorpgs, they'll want as much customers as possibe. The more customer will equal more money to put meal on their family's table.
Even if the best gear is player-made it doesn't mean that the maps will be easy to obtain. Farming the mats will surely take a decent amount of time for the require equipment.
Go play one of the many other games out there more suitable to your playstyle, there certainly isn't a shortage of them.
I prefer sandbox nowadays
Sure they're other games like WoW, but they're not revolutionary are they?
But go head, hit the DF forums, they'll chew you alive and spit you out. (and they do that to folks they like, you, whoo boy)
Ty, I hope they welcome me with humble greets and hugs!
For those that are cursing at me and calling me a Carebear, I'm proud to be among them! I got 2500+ rating in WoW's arena which takes a massive amount of skills, do you have that? I'm hardcore as any other pvp, but I see more to mmorpg than stealing other player's equipment for selfish reasons.
My gameplay is different than alot of noobs in this thread that's all!
I voted option #2
Same here!
No.
We have to constantly hear about how games are not being targeted to more hardcore pvp players. There is finally a game that is targeted toward hardcore pvp players.
To that end there are so many games that you can play that have decent pve content.
No. No. No.
This ^^^
Waiting on Guild Wars 2
I sincerely hope Aventurine doesn't cave in to these kinds of ideas.
Player looting is one of the things that makes me so anticipated for Darkfall. I haven't played a PvP game with real risk and danger in it since they killed off the Wilderness in Runescape.
Fifty? You're going to need about half a million.
The way Adventurine is advertising and developing Darkfall, I doubt it will reach 500K subscription unless they remove full looting within the game. I agree 50 isn't enough but it will eventually grow.
But ask yourself, why do you want to play this game w/o full looting? What is it that appeals to you so much that you can't get in another game?
There's more to mmorpgs besides the pvp aspects. Mmorpers looks at role-playing games to only play the pvp aspect of it without realizing that there's more to mmorpg than pvp itself like Questing, adventuring, actual roleplaying, and many different perspective. Those appealing games aren't very appealing no more, I prefer to play the upcoming revolutionary game - Darkfall. Eventhrough if Darkfall becomes the revolutionary game that the masses have been talking about, and its core objective is pvp with full looting, it doesn't mean that as pver I can't express my opinions or ideas for the better future of Darkfall, and I do believe that there should be a alternative server with partial looting at least.
You completely don't understand the core mechanics behind the game, nor the reason for full looting so why bother with DF?
I completely comprehend the core concept of Darkfall, but it doesn't mean a fan can't ask for a non-looting server for his/her friends or guild to play on without constantly fearo of losing their prize collections they oh-so took long and hard to obtain. Adventurine isn't different than any other company that produce and develope mmorpgs, they'll want as much customers as possibe. The more customer will equal more money to put meal on their family's table.
Even if the best gear is player-made it doesn't mean that the maps will be easy to obtain. Farming the mats will surely take a decent amount of time for the require equipment.
Go play one of the many other games out there more suitable to your playstyle, there certainly isn't a shortage of them.
I prefer sandbox nowadays
Sure they're other games like WoW, but they're not revolutionary are they?
But go head, hit the DF forums, they'll chew you alive and spit you out. (and they do that to folks they like, you, whoo boy)
Ty, I hope they welcome me with humble greets and hugs!
For those that are cursing at me and calling me a Carebear, I'm proud to be among them! I got 2500+ rating in WoW's arena which takes a massive amount of skills, do you have that? I'm hardcore as any other pvp, but I see more to mmorpg than stealing other player's equipment for selfish reasons.
My gameplay is different than alot of noobs in this thread that's all!
hahahaha WoW...arena...skills ...hahahah you mean wow , where everyone eventualy gets anything they wants , wow isnt skill wow is time , everyone get high rank/uber epics , just a matter of time , hell you even get them for loosing .....
Play a real pvp game buddy , then boast your skill.
You keep saying there's more to mmorpgs than just pvp/looting , maybe for others , not this one , DF from the very begining was all about pvp/ sieging/war / mass battles and yes LOOTING , it will never change , just move on . You say mmorpgs are about questing/adventuring/Roleplaying , this game is about that full loot isnt stoping it in any way . There is more roleplay in games like this that are open sandbox, full ffa pvp with heavy faction systems , more roleplay than in your wow's eq2's .
There are no 'alternate rule sets" Df isnt goin for the mass's and it isnt trying to mold to every game type , its going for one player base people who love skill based sabdbox pvp games . There is one single game ruleset , DF nothing more nothing less .
Why are you soooooooooo hung up on this loosing your gear thing ? Its not that hard to come by , you will have plenty of gear , if you have a prized item and dont want to loose it , then BE CARFULL WITH IT >
Not every mmo dev team is out ot make the big money , ofcourse they all want it , but some are out to actualy make a game world , some are actualy out ot make something for the player, not out just to make another dollar.
They are doing it to counter gold farmers for starters, to generate player content and to create community within the game.
75% of your abilities will be as a direct representation of your charachter, items help but are not the be all.
Pretty Simple really without these features you just end up with the same old trash.
Surprisingly though there is a lot more to the game than full loot , I believe that NPC loot may be as good as if not better than player loot if these are challenging thats where the players will be.
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Fifty? You're going to need about half a million.
The way Adventurine is advertising and developing Darkfall, I doubt it will reach 500K subscription unless they remove full looting within the game. I agree 50 isn't enough but it will eventually grow.
But ask yourself, why do you want to play this game w/o full looting? What is it that appeals to you so much that you can't get in another game?
There's more to mmorpgs besides the pvp aspects. Mmorpers looks at role-playing games to only play the pvp aspect of it without realizing that there's more to mmorpg than pvp itself like Questing, adventuring, actual roleplaying, and many different perspective. Those appealing games aren't very appealing no more, I prefer to play the upcoming revolutionary game - Darkfall. Eventhrough if Darkfall becomes the revolutionary game that the masses have been talking about, and its core objective is pvp with full looting, it doesn't mean that as pver I can't express my opinions or ideas for the better future of Darkfall, and I do believe that there should be a alternative server with partial looting at least.
You completely don't understand the core mechanics behind the game, nor the reason for full looting so why bother with DF?
I completely comprehend the core concept of Darkfall, but it doesn't mean a fan can't ask for a non-looting server for his/her friends or guild to play on without constantly fearo of losing their prize collections they oh-so took long and hard to obtain. Adventurine isn't different than any other company that produce and develope mmorpgs, they'll want as much customers as possibe. The more customer will equal more money to put meal on their family's table.
Even if the best gear is player-made it doesn't mean that the maps will be easy to obtain. Farming the mats will surely take a decent amount of time for the require equipment.
Go play one of the many other games out there more suitable to your playstyle, there certainly isn't a shortage of them.
I prefer sandbox nowadays
Sure they're other games like WoW, but they're not revolutionary are they?
But go head, hit the DF forums, they'll chew you alive and spit you out. (and they do that to folks they like, you, whoo boy)
Ty, I hope they welcome me with humble greets and hugs!
For those that are cursing at me and calling me a Carebear, I'm proud to be among them! I got 2500+ rating in WoW's arena which takes a massive amount of skills, do you have that? I'm hardcore as any other pvp, but I see more to mmorpg than stealing other player's equipment for selfish reasons.
My gameplay is different than alot of noobs in this thread that's all!
Bahaha, I almost spilled my coffee. Get back to grinding for purples newb.
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LOL, full loot is not going away. This isn't WoW, your gear won't take you 20million hours of raiding to get.
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There should be an option to flag yourself non-killable by other players. Since farming is in the game I would not like to be killed while taken care of my crops.
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Why must this issue be so black and white? Full loot or this game will be a WoW clone?
Why cant the devs strike a balance and implement partial loot. That way a death wont be devestating and people will actually wear some decent equipment when PvPing and not run at the sign of an even fight.
That is how Eve is btw. If people think there is a remote possibility that they will lose then they run like girls and that is natural. Noone wants to risk to lose hours game play just for one death.
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Well, Agon is a world where chaos rules. There's no social responsibilities. Most races and groups don't favor morality as a feature but as a burden.
One cannot rape, murder and pillage with a conscience.
Thus! There should be an option for farmers to flag them un-pk/pvp'able whilst they are caring for their crops.
Thank you and enjoy yourself and your time granted on these planets.
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I agree! I'm glad there is people with common sense on this forum section since the minority are just posting negative comments like "u nub, if u want to pve go bak 2 wow" or "carebear gtfo". I'd like to be left alone while I pve or farm instead of being harass by asshole.
Partial looting would be good.
I agree! I'm glad there is people with common sense on this forum section since the minority are just posting negative comments like "u nub, if u want to pve go bak 2 wow" or "carebear gtfo". I'd like to be left alone while I pve or farm instead of being harass by asshole.
Partial looting would be good.
This is what frustrates me... I hear people complaining about full looting and wanting it changed but when will people realize certain games are developed for a specific player base. That's like me wanting to changed WoW or WAR to full looting and that would be a dumb suggestion because I know what those two games are developed for, pve and pvp/rvr with limits and that's totally fine. I think people need to stop trying to change a game to fit their needs and just find a game that does but Darkfall might end up like Felucca empty and then you might get your wish.
Wrong, I won't believe one word from the developers mouth commenting that gear won't play a big role in pvp. Funcom developers said the same exact thing, Mystic - Warhammer said the exact thing and I was pwning everyone in that game because I had ubber game by my side. If you gemmed out a warrior then you're invisible, and tier 1 I rolled nubs with level 10 gear.
I heard Darkfall will have gemming sockets hmm coincidence?
Of course the skill system will play an even bigger role. When you've obtain that pwnage plate set of dragonslaying along with those 100+ skills, you're going to be a mean motherfucker that'll ass rape everyone and will eventually become an asshole griefer that would steal anyone's shit regardless.
Never argue with an idiot , they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Hmmm... If you played Darkfall your ultimate epic weapon would be, Vagina of Recieving Truth.
Fits you perfectly...
Epic fail:
Fail:
What?:
Win:
Epic win:
em.. no?
What would be the point of pvp if you can't get/lose anything.
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I have absolutely no intention to play DF. In fact, I still thinks it's vaporware and I will continue to say it's vaporware until it is actually released.
But, if DF is released, it should be released as the hardcore game it is advertised to be. Full FFA PvP and full loot. In the current competitive MMORPG market environment, it will not survive by compromising with the mainstream crowd of players. It needs to focus on that niche market of arrogant, bitter, elitist, hardcore, socially inept, teenage gankfesters that will love and support the game like it is the greatest achievement of human ingenuity and creativity.
There are too many games to nurish the mainstream crowd. A watered down DF will never be able to compete against the WARs, WOWs, LOTROs, EVEs or other dozens of P2P and F2P games currently flooding the market.
It needs to set itself far apart from the rest and cater to its niche market and reel in the strays disenchanted by mainstream MMORPG tastes.