I have absolutely no intention to play DF. In fact, I still thinks it's vaporware and I will continue to say it's vaporware until it is actually released. But, if DF is released, it should be released as the hardcore game it is advertised to be. Full FFA PvP and full loot. In the current competitive MMORPG market environment, it will not survive by compromising with the mainstream crowd of players. It needs to focus on that niche market of arrogant, bitter, elitist, hardcore, socially inept, teenage gankfesters that will love and support the game like it is the greatest achievement of human ingenuity and creativity. There are too many games to nurish the mainstream crowd. A watered down DF will never be able to compete against the WARs, WOWs, LOTROs, EVEs or other dozens of P2P and F2P games currently flooding the market. It needs to set itself far apart from the rest and cater to its niche market and reel in the strays disenchanted by mainstream MMORPG tastes.
so we're arrogant because we don't want to play a piece of shit game like Wow or War that everybody is the same, takes no skill, and has pre-pubescent 10 yr olds running around saying 1337.
Aventurine has said that gear is not, and never will, be important, like WoW, DF will not be gear-dependant at ALL, it will almost completely skill based, although it's nice to have armor, armor makes noise, I mean really, is your enemy more likely to hear you creeping around in leather, or you going CLANK, CLANK, CLANK in some plate? I believe that the armor wil be balanced, but some really powerful enemies (a dragon for instance) will drop stronger gear, though not enough to kill someone with 100 skill (the max in any single skill) and no armor, if you have say 25 skill, though I'm not sure what the scaling will be in regards to that...
Wrong, I won't believe one word from the developers mouth commenting that gear won't play a big role in pvp. Funcom developers said the same exact thing, Mystic - Warhammer said the exact thing and I was pwning everyone in that game because I had ubber game by my side. If you gemmed out a warrior then you're invisible, and tier 1 I rolled nubs with level 10 gear.
I heard Darkfall will have gemming sockets hmm coincidence?
Of course the skill system will play an even bigger role. When you've obtain that pwnage plate set of dragonslaying along with those 100+ skills, you're going to be a mean motherfucker that'll ass rape everyone and will eventually become an asshole griefer that would steal anyone's shit regardless.
You can "not believe" it all you want , this isn't some start to "end game" level based loot game where you work your way to max level for uber raid loots, its a faction based FFA full loot pvp game where gear wil mean somethign yes , but very litle compared to the players skills .
Stop draging up all these "new age' mmo's like aoc/war or even older ones like eq2/wow , none of them were even released when the DF team started this game . You want something to look thats close to what this game is about then go look at Original UO/SB/AC Darktide thats is the heart of this game it was developed from the very first days of the game to be FFA faction based full loot mass pvp . The game has always been about a hard gritty dangerous world , no safe zones no /pvpflagg no alt ruleset server just DarkFall.
The game is in the closing stages of release development , even if for some crazy insain reason they suddenly changed their mind and decided to make a easy rule set server with limeted looting and pvp flagging and all that stuff that was never entended for this game , i dont think they are going to make any major changes to the this late in development .
Maybe after the game has released as it was ment to be , then they might think about making an alt rule set server to attract the mmo market/croud that they were never aiming at or making the game for in the first place.
I have absolutely no intention to play DF. In fact, I still thinks it's vaporware and I will continue to say it's vaporware until it is actually released. But, if DF is released, it should be released as the hardcore game it is advertised to be. Full FFA PvP and full loot. In the current competitive MMORPG market environment, it will not survive by compromising with the mainstream crowd of players. It needs to focus on that niche market of arrogant, bitter, elitist, hardcore, socially inept, teenage gankfesters that will love and support the game like it is the greatest achievement of human ingenuity and creativity. There are too many games to nurish the mainstream crowd. A watered down DF will never be able to compete against the WARs, WOWs, LOTROs, EVEs or other dozens of P2P and F2P games currently flooding the market. It needs to set itself far apart from the rest and cater to its niche market and reel in the strays disenchanted by mainstream MMORPG tastes.
so we're arrogant because we don't want to play a piece of shit game like Wow or War that everybody is the same, takes no skill, and has pre-pubescent 10 yr olds running around saying 1337.
To the OP You do realise this is not WoW right ? Your "hard earned" items don't involve visiting the same dungeon 100 times to get the sword of pwn more. Yes in item centric games full loot pvp doesn't work simply because noone would risk his purple staff of awesomeness to someone that ambused him:P But DF isn't itemcentric. So at best the full looting is just an inconvinience rather than 100 more times visiting the same dungeon.
While I agree looting is a intregal part of DF, where exactly in his post did he say he was a WoW player. I mean seriously can no one state a negative opinion or disagree wth someone without accusing them of being a WoW player. This comment is not just pointed at you but everyone who does this.
Also I do play WoW but it is far from the best MMO I am playing at the moment. So no I am not a fanboy!
I have absolutely no intention to play DF. In fact, I still thinks it's vaporware and I will continue to say it's vaporware until it is actually released. But, if DF is released, it should be released as the hardcore game it is advertised to be. Full FFA PvP and full loot. In the current competitive MMORPG market environment, it will not survive by compromising with the mainstream crowd of players. It needs to focus on that niche market of arrogant, bitter, elitist, hardcore, socially inept, teenage gankfesters that will love and support the game like it is the greatest achievement of human ingenuity and creativity. There are too many games to nurish the mainstream crowd. A watered down DF will never be able to compete against the WARs, WOWs, LOTROs, EVEs or other dozens of P2P and F2P games currently flooding the market. It needs to set itself far apart from the rest and cater to its niche market and reel in the strays disenchanted by mainstream MMORPG tastes.
so we're arrogant because we don't want to play a piece of shit game like Wow or War that everybody is the same, takes no skill, and has pre-pubescent 10 yr olds running around saying 1337.
And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW
"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW"
Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW" Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
1700 is ez mode. Gogo 2200. Bet you people think it's cool to bash WoW even if you didn't play it.
"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW" Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
Good job guys for supporting me throughout this madness! I currently have 42 supports willing to fight along my side for Darkfall's survivable. There is no way Darkfall is going to survive against Warhammer and the upcoming expansion of World of Warcraft because of the mainly concept of playerlooting which will lead Darkfall to its death! I'd take this debate to the Darkfalls' forums once I get 50 supporters!
50 carebears are not gonna make a difference to the 100's of thousands of DF fans who want exactly what the game says it will be .
WaR/WoW will not effect DF in any way they are for a totaly different type gamer. Most of the people who like those type games and what they stand for , like your self ,wouldn't want to play a game like DF , and if they did, wouldnt last a week.
There are plenty of games out there with no player looting go find yours , this isnt it .
Last I checked, 90% of the people who "signed" his petition said in comment that they do not support it.
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"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW" Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
I didn't say I didn't enjoy playing it, I said it was not a game that requires much skill.
Going for long walks doesn't require much skill but people enjoy it and do it regularly for years.
I was in a raiding guild that included people's extended families and was clearing endgame raids, it's not the "popular thing" to say, it's the truth.
"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW" Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
I didn't say I didn't enjoy playing it, I said it was not a game that requires much skill.
Going for long walks doesn't require much skill but people enjoy it and do it regularly for years.
I was in a raiding guild that included people's extended families and was clearing endgame raids, it's not the "popular thing" to say, it's the truth.
Spin it how you want but you are the typical gamer who uses up a game then talks about how it didnt take any skill. It had to be a challenge for you in some way or you would not have played for years period! Oh well though, Im not going to get into a big debate here, have a good one!
"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW" Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
I didn't say I didn't enjoy playing it, I said it was not a game that requires much skill.
Going for long walks doesn't require much skill but people enjoy it and do it regularly for years.
I was in a raiding guild that included people's extended families and was clearing endgame raids, it's not the "popular thing" to say, it's the truth.
Spin it how you want but you are the typical gamer who uses up a game then talks about how it didnt take any skill. It had to be a challenge for you in some way or you would not have played for years period! Oh well though, Im not going to get into a big debate here, have a good one!
There are a lot of online games that I no longer play that I would say require skill: COD4. C&C, BF, CS. I could list dozens.
WoW is not one of them, even when I was still playing it I would not have described it as needing skill. It's was not created to require a lot of skill and if it did it would have been a design failure. It's a social game like most mmorpg's, the enjoyment is not derived from skill, making it require skill would alienate a lot of it's potential customers and be self defeating. Therefore saying someone would be unable to get a 1300 areana rating or get past kara is absurd.
Why are the developers of Aventurine making Darkfall a player looting game? Darkfall ceo is a retard! Who wants to lose his hard earn equipment? No one does! This is why I'm making this petition to save Darkfall from a miserably failure because No ONE PLAYS a player looting game nowadays. The player-looting era ended with Runescape that game is horrible due the fact its pvp was player looting type. I play mmorpg for progression and my progression means alot to me and many other people aswell, neither they or I want to lose my equipment to some asshole! I want Darkfall to be a successful mmorpg, but the approach Aventurine is taking will only lead Darkfall to its failure!
I didnt read the entire thread but they are making items craftable, and easily attainable. Items are not the way they are in your typical mmorpg (epic drops, etc).
Serious death penalties makes every close call an adrenaline rush, and every minor achievement a major victory. This alternative rule-set should be in all MMORPGs.
If the fear of loosing all you have is what makes pvp looting Exciting, yet all your gear is really easy to get. I fail to see whats so exciting about it. All I care about is well made pvp, you can have the loot.
Why the hell would you want to stop player looting, im sick of easy cheesy games where death has no monumental meaning, you die there should be consequences!!!
I do agree with the point a few are making here. this game is being targetted for full loot pvp. if you dont like it then i would choose another game! But it is sorry to see some opinions of you. thinking your very young or a wow bred kiddie? i just hope these are not the typical DF community as i hate pvper's who think they are hardcore because they pvp. that's so sad and not a true representation of the df community. What i would say though is dont knock it untill you try it friend, you may be suprised
nope its not the typical darkfall community, it is the typical gamer community in general, it seems if you are not playing wow, or played mmo's before wow, you are able to see that the game has influenced virtually every developer to make watered down easy poo games to try to get the wow customers, time for a change, something with penalties where dieing means something and the game will be challenging and not dependant on endless dungeon raids to get gear, and endless lame quests that are meaningless. Something that will be challenging, fun and hard and will not make it an easy game to try to cater to everyone, I do not think that darkfall is going after mass customers on this game, but going for a game ceartain people will like, and good for them, im tired of mmo's being so widespread that try to cater to everyone and really only make part of each style that caters to no one, give me full pvp, looting for me and people like me, I would say the only thing that is like this now is eve, but i really dont like eve, got burnt out on its boringness, darkfall may be my answer.
gear will fall all over the place from mobs and is not the pinnacle of the gameplay, it will be at best to sell to money to a merchant, the gameplay is not dependant of gear, the full looting will be more or less a thing to do to teach someone a lesson to mess with ya when ya kill em, and they are humiliated getting up naked and beat,
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so we're arrogant because we don't want to play a piece of shit game like Wow or War that everybody is the same, takes no skill, and has pre-pubescent 10 yr olds running around saying 1337.
-Core 3 "Its the Pwn!"
Wrong, I won't believe one word from the developers mouth commenting that gear won't play a big role in pvp. Funcom developers said the same exact thing, Mystic - Warhammer said the exact thing and I was pwning everyone in that game because I had ubber game by my side. If you gemmed out a warrior then you're invisible, and tier 1 I rolled nubs with level 10 gear.
I heard Darkfall will have gemming sockets hmm coincidence?
Of course the skill system will play an even bigger role. When you've obtain that pwnage plate set of dragonslaying along with those 100+ skills, you're going to be a mean motherfucker that'll ass rape everyone and will eventually become an asshole griefer that would steal anyone's shit regardless.
You can "not believe" it all you want , this isn't some start to "end game" level based loot game where you work your way to max level for uber raid loots, its a faction based FFA full loot pvp game where gear wil mean somethign yes , but very litle compared to the players skills .
Stop draging up all these "new age' mmo's like aoc/war or even older ones like eq2/wow , none of them were even released when the DF team started this game . You want something to look thats close to what this game is about then go look at Original UO/SB/AC Darktide thats is the heart of this game it was developed from the very first days of the game to be FFA faction based full loot mass pvp . The game has always been about a hard gritty dangerous world , no safe zones no /pvpflagg no alt ruleset server just DarkFall.
The game is in the closing stages of release development , even if for some crazy insain reason they suddenly changed their mind and decided to make a easy rule set server with limeted looting and pvp flagging and all that stuff that was never entended for this game , i dont think they are going to make any major changes to the this late in development .
Maybe after the game has released as it was ment to be , then they might think about making an alt rule set server to attract the mmo market/croud that they were never aiming at or making the game for in the first place.
so we're arrogant because we don't want to play a piece of shit game like Wow or War that everybody is the same, takes no skill, and has pre-pubescent 10 yr olds running around saying 1337.
Thank you for making my point for me.
While I agree looting is a intregal part of DF, where exactly in his post did he say he was a WoW player. I mean seriously can no one state a negative opinion or disagree wth someone without accusing them of being a WoW player. This comment is not just pointed at you but everyone who does this.
Also I do play WoW but it is far from the best MMO I am playing at the moment. So no I am not a fanboy!
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so we're arrogant because we don't want to play a piece of shit game like Wow or War that everybody is the same, takes no skill, and has pre-pubescent 10 yr olds running around saying 1337.
And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW
"And i bet 1000$ you wouldn't break 1300/Kara if you would play WoW"
Hehe that's funny, even the most no skilled grandmother can get to 1700+ and clear the endgame raids in wow. I know cause I played it for years. If you think it requires skill you are deluding yourself.
1700 is ez mode. Gogo 2200. Bet you people think it's cool to bash WoW even if you didn't play it.
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
No signature, I don't have a pen
50 carebears are not gonna make a difference to the 100's of thousands of DF fans who want exactly what the game says it will be .
WaR/WoW will not effect DF in any way they are for a totaly different type gamer. Most of the people who like those type games and what they stand for , like your self ,wouldn't want to play a game like DF , and if they did, wouldnt last a week.
There are plenty of games out there with no player looting go find yours , this isnt it .
Last I checked, 90% of the people who "signed" his petition said in comment that they do not support it.
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Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
I didn't say I didn't enjoy playing it, I said it was not a game that requires much skill.
Going for long walks doesn't require much skill but people enjoy it and do it regularly for years.
I was in a raiding guild that included people's extended families and was clearing endgame raids, it's not the "popular thing" to say, it's the truth.
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
I didn't say I didn't enjoy playing it, I said it was not a game that requires much skill.
Going for long walks doesn't require much skill but people enjoy it and do it regularly for years.
I was in a raiding guild that included people's extended families and was clearing endgame raids, it's not the "popular thing" to say, it's the truth.
Spin it how you want but you are the typical gamer who uses up a game then talks about how it didnt take any skill. It had to be a challenge for you in some way or you would not have played for years period! Oh well though, Im not going to get into a big debate here, have a good one!
No signature, I don't have a pen
Sarcasm is a hard one to read sometimes, this could have been better implemented with a
Here we have another prime example of some who played WoW for years and now is done with the game so he has to cutdown the game and anyone who plays it. A very popular thing to do now!
Notice that he said the game is so simple a no skilled grandmother could play it yet it held his interest for years lmao!
I didn't say I didn't enjoy playing it, I said it was not a game that requires much skill.
Going for long walks doesn't require much skill but people enjoy it and do it regularly for years.
I was in a raiding guild that included people's extended families and was clearing endgame raids, it's not the "popular thing" to say, it's the truth.
Spin it how you want but you are the typical gamer who uses up a game then talks about how it didnt take any skill. It had to be a challenge for you in some way or you would not have played for years period! Oh well though, Im not going to get into a big debate here, have a good one!
There are a lot of online games that I no longer play that I would say require skill: COD4. C&C, BF, CS. I could list dozens.
WoW is not one of them, even when I was still playing it I would not have described it as needing skill. It's was not created to require a lot of skill and if it did it would have been a design failure. It's a social game like most mmorpg's, the enjoyment is not derived from skill, making it require skill would alienate a lot of it's potential customers and be self defeating. Therefore saying someone would be unable to get a 1300 areana rating or get past kara is absurd.
I didnt read the entire thread but they are making items craftable, and easily attainable. Items are not the way they are in your typical mmorpg (epic drops, etc).
Serious death penalties makes every close call an adrenaline rush, and every minor achievement a major victory. This alternative rule-set should be in all MMORPGs.
Items will be easy to get and almost everything is craftable, there won't be the typical purple epics.
Mobs apparently will drop the gear that are using not random unrelated objects.
@op pöease leave the darkfall online forums and come never back
go and play war or aoc or wow or.....
but leave darkfall alone
If the fear of loosing all you have is what makes pvp looting Exciting, yet all your gear is really easy to get. I fail to see whats so exciting about it. All I care about is well made pvp, you can have the loot.
Awesome guys! At the moment, I've 48 supports and hopefully I'll have 50 by tonight. My next destination will be forumfall!
I will make save darkfall from spyhunter107 petition. We see then who have the most signatures.
Why the hell would you want to stop player looting, im sick of easy cheesy games where death has no monumental meaning, you die there should be consequences!!!
playing eq2 and two worlds
nope its not the typical darkfall community, it is the typical gamer community in general, it seems if you are not playing wow, or played mmo's before wow, you are able to see that the game has influenced virtually every developer to make watered down easy poo games to try to get the wow customers, time for a change, something with penalties where dieing means something and the game will be challenging and not dependant on endless dungeon raids to get gear, and endless lame quests that are meaningless. Something that will be challenging, fun and hard and will not make it an easy game to try to cater to everyone, I do not think that darkfall is going after mass customers on this game, but going for a game ceartain people will like, and good for them, im tired of mmo's being so widespread that try to cater to everyone and really only make part of each style that caters to no one, give me full pvp, looting for me and people like me, I would say the only thing that is like this now is eve, but i really dont like eve, got burnt out on its boringness, darkfall may be my answer.
playing eq2 and two worlds
quit taking reasons to pvp away your carebear. this feature is a big part of what the game's for and obviously you can't handle it.
the joy of looting someone's ship = good
changing this game's loot feature = bad
You think full looting will be so great. But replacing 28 pieces of gear every time you die will be tedious at best, and possibly a gamebreaker.
gear will fall all over the place from mobs and is not the pinnacle of the gameplay, it will be at best to sell to money to a merchant, the gameplay is not dependant of gear, the full looting will be more or less a thing to do to teach someone a lesson to mess with ya when ya kill em, and they are humiliated getting up naked and beat,
playing eq2 and two worlds
off topic here but i just noticed everyone joined this forumn on the 21'st day of every month.
playing eq2 and two worlds