Originally posted by admriker444 Some here are actually blaming players for getting banned because they sold something ??? First off, if I buy a plasma tv from someone and its stolen I DONT go to jail unless the police can prove I knowingly received stolen property. All that happens is I lose the tv.
No, you get arrested, put in jail. YOU are the one who has to get a lawyer and prove you were not knowingly recieveing stolen merchendice. It is called guilt by association. Do you know what a FENCE is? It is someone who on purpose buys stolen property. If what you said were true, then every FENCE could say they are just innocent bystanders who purhcased whatever product because they thought it was a nice deal.
No clue were you are from xploror but in most countries, at least democratic ones there is this base foundation of law that says "not guilty until proven otherwise". Never ever does the burden of proving your innocence rely on you. Unless they can prove withouth reasonable doubt that you knew it was stolen property then you go free. Even more so, at least in sweden, if you buy something in "good faith" you also get to keep whatever you purchased.
As for the example with the vehicle, selling something for 3m, when price range is 2-5 is not supsicious money.
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Originally posted by Umbrood No clue were you are from xploror but in most countries, at least democratic ones there is this base foundation of law that says "not guilty until proven otherwise". Never ever does the burden of proving your innocence rely on you. Unless they can prove withouth reasonable doubt that you knew it was stolen property then you go free. Even more so, at least in sweden, if you buy something in "good faith" you also get to keep whatever you purchased. As for the example with the vehicle, selling something for 3m, when price range is 2-5 is not supsicious money.
Well, innocent until proven guilty is a recent thing.
If you go in a country that is centered on traditions and old ways of doing things, you might find yourself in need to prove that you are innocent, otherwise you are guilty.
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Allthough I do not hink many of us, and by all means not SoE is located in one of them countries.
And even if it is recent it is now, what was can hardly count for anything if it is changed.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I dont know modern Japan well enought to say if it goes guilty or innocent until proven guilty ATM.
This is where SoE is. Maybe someone can answer you better then me on this.
Also...folks running a company may be from the last era and have not adapted. You see, the law may move faster then the minds. Not that I sanction anything they do, but as private company, they have the right to goes the way they choose, even if we all disagree.
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Of course you are correct, it is their company and they do as they please, it is just a weird and above bad bussiness model from were I am standing and I can not believe support them at all it goes so much against things for wich countless of people have sacrificed so much to achieve. If SoE were a state it would be Afghanistan or something when the taliban ruled.
I realise it is not though but it is not just bad behavior it is indecent and goes against everything I stand for, and I assume many with me. I me be wrong to impose human values on a company but at the end of the day that is what I am, human.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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No, you get arrested, put in jail. YOU are the one who has to get a lawyer and prove you were not knowingly recieveing stolen merchendice. It is called guilt by association. Do you know what a FENCE is? It is someone who on purpose buys stolen property. If what you said were true, then every FENCE could say they are just innocent bystanders who purhcased whatever product because they thought it was a nice deal.
No clue were you are from xploror but in most countries, at least democratic ones there is this base foundation of law that says "not guilty until proven otherwise". Never ever does the burden of proving your innocence rely on you. Unless they can prove withouth reasonable doubt that you knew it was stolen property then you go free. Even more so, at least in sweden, if you buy something in "good faith" you also get to keep whatever you purchased.
As for the example with the vehicle, selling something for 3m, when price range is 2-5 is not supsicious money.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Well, innocent until proven guilty is a recent thing.
If you go in a country that is centered on traditions and old ways of doing things, you might find yourself in need to prove that you are innocent, otherwise you are guilty.
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Allthough I do not hink many of us, and by all means not SoE is located in one of them countries.
And even if it is recent it is now, what was can hardly count for anything if it is changed.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I dont know modern Japan well enought to say if it goes guilty or innocent until proven guilty ATM.
This is where SoE is. Maybe someone can answer you better then me on this.
Also...folks running a company may be from the last era and have not adapted. You see, the law may move faster then the minds. Not that I sanction anything they do, but as private company, they have the right to goes the way they choose, even if we all disagree.
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Of course you are correct, it is their company and they do as they please, it is just a weird and above bad bussiness model from were I am standing and I can not believe support them at all it goes so much against things for wich countless of people have sacrificed so much to achieve. If SoE were a state it would be Afghanistan or something when the taliban ruled.
I realise it is not though but it is not just bad behavior it is indecent and goes against everything I stand for, and I assume many with me. I me be wrong to impose human values on a company but at the end of the day that is what I am, human.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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