There are some people who will like the different combat system of AoC and that is fine. Does it make the AoC combat system better than anything else out there? Not hardly.
Personally, when I am fighting in PvP and I have a player running around me in circles the last thing I want to be concerned about is having to push 3+ different buttons in a certain sequence. I prefer to focus all my attention on strategy rather than cumbersome gaming mechanics. Yes, the AoC combat system might be fine for PvE but for PvP it just makes the battles more confusing and not very fun at all.
The combat mechanics in WAR are just fine for the game. It is what the majority of players in MMOs are used to and that allows a player to enjoy the games content instead of dinking around with the game's mechanics instead. Basically, when I log into a game I want less of a learning curve regarding interfaces and mechanics and more on focusing on enjoying the game's content.
To the OP. Im glad you are enjoying playing AoC. Perhaps if enough people go back to AoC it might actually save the game enough to be a niche game instead of it failing completely.
So, You repeat button presses in AoC too. I played in beta and thats all i could handle.
Exactly, you played the beta.
I have played and purchased both.
Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated.
Yes nothing to see here, maybe they should have a filter that only fanboys post's can be seen.
The point is, people should know how the combat is.
They should know how combat is.
Its better than WoW and AoC.
Im glad we agree.
If your going to say that, fine.
Why is it better? At least back what you say up.
I'm sorry Clada, but if you dont like Warhammer Online and if you post about it on these forums, you will be labeled a troll, no matter what.
The truth is, no one wants to hear how bland and underwhelming this game is because its the only AAA game that came out in a relatively good state in the last 5 years, and people are sick of WoW.
Too bad its WoW but simply with a PvP focus in mind. I find it laughable that in a scenario I "die" and less than 30 seconds later im back in combat with not even a scratch, lawl.
And no, I can tell you right now the combat isnt better than WoW or AOC's...its just done with a little bit more of a twist, action points instead of mana, and a seperate "build up/release" mechanism. Same shit.
I dont see why this thread gets responses... this should be locked. its an obvious troll post. Worst combat system ever? who are you? so you played ever game and with some miracle formula decided that WaR has the worst combat system ever? is it maybe because you played to lvl 5 and had only a couple of spells? Is it you have an ADD disorder? Is it because your a WoW fanboy? is it because your a TROLL? I like to think is a combination of all.
playing: Dragon Age Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect Want to try: Fallen Earth
The big difference between thoose games are that WARs combat gets better as you level up while AoC just becomes worse (just like the rest of the game)... So if you are running around as a lvl 3 healer in WAR the combat will probably feel very boring...
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Originally posted by Clada So i have been playing alot of AOC
I am sorry for you.
Don't be he likes AoC good for him. Not liking AoC wont make WAR any better or worse so saying things like WAR is better then AoC means nothing to the players playing AoC, just like players saying AoC is better then WAR wont matter to the players playing WAR. So again bashing AoC to make your point is pointless and it will never make another game better then it already is. same is said for AoC.
Originally posted by Clada So i have been playing alot of AOC
I am sorry for you.
Don't be he likes AoC good for him. Not liking AoC wont make WAR any better or worse so saying things like WAR is better then AoC means nothing to the players playing AoC, just like players saying AoC is better then WAR wont matter to the players playing WAR. So again bashing AoC to make your point is pointless and it will never make another game better then it already is. same is said for AoC.
It wont make WAR or any other game better or worst... but... I am still sorry for him.
So, You repeat button presses in AoC too. I played in beta and thats all i could handle.
Exactly, you played the beta.
I have played and purchased both.
Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
I've played and purchased both games, and in my opinion AoC is the same shit as any other game just disguised in a more annoying package. Why click 3 buttons to do what could be done by clicking one?
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
don't let the fanboi's deter you from making a post about how boring the combat is. they just know it's true and like a retarded school boy, their only reply is no, YOU are, no YOU are, no YOU are lol.
the combat in war is boring, the casting in war is boring.. 2008 going on 2009 and the spells in ultima online look better? give me a break. the spells in VANGUARD look better, and they are REALLY bad.
people are just looking for something new and good, and war is the only thing new so they're going to protect it like a little baby lol. and there are A LOT of ugly babies out there.
I think the problem is people dont play any other mmo's other then a few. So they "think" these games are amazing and apparently every other game sucks.
I could see people getting mad if I came on here saying the game blows. I never did, I find the combat and game too slow which makes me dislike the game.
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage.
Someone is angry. Awww finally realizing that the monitor doesn't kiss back? Seriously, WAR's combat system is the same old, same old in terms of having it's origins in PnP RPGs....like...um....95% of the other MMOs out there and all the MUDDs, MUSHes & MMOs that preceded it. Sure, you could complain for something new, but, seriously, how is this any worse than any other MMO out there on the market?
Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion.
But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn
And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities.
Someone is angry. Awww finally realizing that the monitor doesn't kiss back? Seriously, WAR's combat system is the same old, same old in terms of having it's origins in PnP RPGs....like...um....95% of the other MMOs out there and all the MUDDs, MUSHes & MMOs that preceded it. Sure, you could complain for something new, but, seriously, how is this any worse than any other MMO out there on the market?
Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion.
But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn
And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities.
if you want a game with combat system like oblivion ...
there are 3 real good ones imo coming out
one you mentioned is the chronicles of spellborn(27-11-2008)
other is mortal online (summer 2009)
and last and my personal favorite DARKFALL (end 2008)
WAR is a good mmo... but the combat system does suck imho
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system.
On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had.
I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with.
But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I agree that its the typical boring combat system similar to WoW/Vanguard/EQII etc. When soloing anyway. In groups you'll see soon enough that the classes complement each other very well.
RvR in this game (in the open areas, not scenarios) is a blast! Open group system ftw! I never experienced so much spontaneous castle sieges and warcamp defending before in a MMO.
The scenarios however show the usual WoW like uncoordinated battlegrounds crap. Those are only fun when I go with guildies.
WAR is a good mmo... but the combat system does suck imho
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
I agree with the essence of how you described combat in WAR, and I have no direct experience with AoC, so my input on that point is of limited value. However, the main point that has failed to be made here is that some people prefer "traditional" MMORPG style combat, and some people prefer "video game console" style combat. There is no implicit truth that one style of combat is inherently better or worse than another. There is only a matter of personal preference as to which style you enjoy using.
Personally, I admittedly suck at playing console video games. Why I play PC games in the first place is so I'm not a 41 year old guy competing with the reflexes of a 14 year old kid. There is no faster "twitch" pattern memorization (ABAAABX for the win!) skill in WAR, and for that I'm glad. WAR actually requires some application of tatical awareness and strategic thinking, and that gives me an advantage over a typical "twitch" minded short attention span 14 year old.
I have no problem with WoW or AoC. They serve a useful purpose in keeping WAR clear of players who would likely try to ruin the game with their whining and complaining. Everyone playing WAR should be happy these products are on the market and doing well. In return, everyone playing AoC and WoW should appreciate that WAR is here to keep us from ruining your MMORPG experience by whining and complaining about your game.
To the OP: you need to learn the difference between objective and subjective. I suggest starting with a dictionary. Judgements like: better, best, good, bad, crap, great, etc. are all subjective evaluations and can not be proven as fact. Your opinions on what is better is only meaningful to you, and just maybe to the persons who already agree with you. You are changing no ones mind on the matter. To the rest of us, your opinion on the matter is effectively worthless because we have a different opinion, and our own personal subjective reasons why we do.
credentials:WOW 70 shaman and a horde of alts, WAR 13 WH and a slew of lower alts (1-5) to check out mechanisms. AOC, no first hand (so any false assumptions I make, I will be open to criticism)
Now, I personally think WAR takes combat an additional step beyond WOW, but it does not involve button mashing, but how you, the player, prepare and play the character.
You start realizing how many decisions you have to make when you hit level 11. By then you have all the choices starting to hit you, like Renown, Mastery, Morale and Tactics.
Renown lets you increase your stats, get new tactics to start with.
Mastery is similar to Talents in WOW, but with a twist, every point you put in your "branch" scales up the skills attached to it as well as open new abilities over the long run.
Morale is a skill that you can use depending on how long you remain (and survive) in combat. If you live long enough, it gives you yet another ability you can use (to great effect the longer you last)
Tactics is a specific buff that enhances you, and you get three types of them. Career, Renown and Tome (yes, the Tome does give you extra abilities in the long term)
So this comes back to what I started to say. Your decisions on combat start a lot earlier than seeing your opponent. YOu have MANY more decisions to make before the first spell or swing of your weapon. When I get back from work (in 10 hours) I can go into more detail if you would like on how exactly how each type effects you. Until then, my only advice is get to level 11 and see what the game has to offer.
So, You repeat button presses in AoC too. I played in beta and thats all i could handle.
Exactly, you played the beta.
I have played and purchased both.
Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated.
MMO's go way past, AOC and WOW my friend. Many others to choose, take a look.
don't let the fanboi's deter you from making a post about how boring the combat is. they just know it's true and like a retarded school boy, their only reply is no, YOU are, no YOU are, no YOU are lol.
the combat in war is boring, the casting in war is boring.. 2008 going on 2009 and the spells in ultima online look better? give me a break. the spells in VANGUARD look better, and they are REALLY bad.
people are just looking for something new and good, and war is the only thing new so they're going to protect it like a little baby lol. and there are A LOT of ugly babies out there.
I think the problem is people dont play any other mmo's other then a few. So they "think" these games are amazing and apparently every other game sucks.
I could see people getting mad if I came on here saying the game blows. I never did, I find the combat and game too slow which makes me dislike the game.
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage.
NO! where did I say that??
I'm saying the combat in this game Warhammer Online is WEAK. It's slow, it's outdated, and the combat music is terriable. Where did you see in my post me saying that AOC was amazing?
Yes nothing to see here, maybe they should have a filter that only fanboys post's can be seen.
The point is, people should know how the combat is.
Except, of course, that you are avoiding the fact that you are trying to make yourself sound like some sort of an authority. It is your opinion that the combat is lacking, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Of course the evidence that you put forth as your experience with war, playing a runepriest, is severely lacking and therefore causes the validity of your statement to fail utterly and completely. Been past level 5 yet, how about past 20? Tried all the classes in the game which, in turn, would give you a good feel of how the combat in war is, in general, rather than in a very limited test case? Of course you may very well come back with some nonsensical response how you ahve tested ever character through every tier etc etc etc, but the fact of the matter is, if you had, you would have used something of quite a bit more substance than I played a runepriest and combat was slow.
Yes you know you are exactly right! when someone reviews an MMO they need to play every class all the way up to at least 40 to come to the conclustion that the combat mechanics are slow paced. Let me guess I need to have five maxed out chrs to think that the graphics are unerpar and that the music is average?
You' saying I need to beat a game like Halo 3 just to say I don't like the aiming in the game ? Please I can tell from 1hr in if the aiming is going to be an issue or not.
WAR is a good mmo... but the combat system does suck imho
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system.
On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had.
I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with.
But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments??
Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd?
I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts.
WAR is a good mmo... but the combat system does suck imho
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system.
On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had.
I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with.
But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments??
Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd?
I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts.
Nah i meant bring on some more absurd comparisons and i will answer you with facts. Hence still waiting. Truth is you got nothing to prove except crying for graphics and combat system. You want me to give facts? how about you bring some solid reasons to diss WAR and glorify your beloved aoc, we will talk facts then.
before you accuse anyone for being childish. look at your posts. All you do is whine and throw fit like some spoiled brat. I still have to see one good reasoning from you. the fact that you brought up AOC to ridicule WAR shows you have no idea how different these two games really are.
So once again either be quiet or bring some real arguments on table. Because i have active sub for both AOC and WAR so i can call bullshit on all your points.
AOC combo system was pure button mashing, making me hit 5 buttons just to do a special move and making it take roughly 5 seconds to do one? That was just a silly system. Sure you hit buttons faster than in WAR but you made decisions a lot less often.
The AOC combat animations were better and the sounds were a ton better but the rest of the game was just bland and boring and the PvP systems cannot compare, WAR is so much better.
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There are some people who will like the different combat system of AoC and that is fine. Does it make the AoC combat system better than anything else out there? Not hardly.
Personally, when I am fighting in PvP and I have a player running around me in circles the last thing I want to be concerned about is having to push 3+ different buttons in a certain sequence. I prefer to focus all my attention on strategy rather than cumbersome gaming mechanics. Yes, the AoC combat system might be fine for PvE but for PvP it just makes the battles more confusing and not very fun at all.
The combat mechanics in WAR are just fine for the game. It is what the majority of players in MMOs are used to and that allows a player to enjoy the games content instead of dinking around with the game's mechanics instead. Basically, when I log into a game I want less of a learning curve regarding interfaces and mechanics and more on focusing on enjoying the game's content.
To the OP. Im glad you are enjoying playing AoC. Perhaps if enough people go back to AoC it might actually save the game enough to be a niche game instead of it failing completely.
Exactly, you played the beta.
I have played and purchased both.
Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Yes nothing to see here, maybe they should have a filter that only fanboys post's can be seen.
The point is, people should know how the combat is.
They should know how combat is.
Its better than WoW and AoC.
Im glad we agree.
If your going to say that, fine.
Why is it better? At least back what you say up.
I'm sorry Clada, but if you dont like Warhammer Online and if you post about it on these forums, you will be labeled a troll, no matter what.
The truth is, no one wants to hear how bland and underwhelming this game is because its the only AAA game that came out in a relatively good state in the last 5 years, and people are sick of WoW.
Too bad its WoW but simply with a PvP focus in mind. I find it laughable that in a scenario I "die" and less than 30 seconds later im back in combat with not even a scratch, lawl.
And no, I can tell you right now the combat isnt better than WoW or AOC's...its just done with a little bit more of a twist, action points instead of mana, and a seperate "build up/release" mechanism. Same shit.
I dont see why this thread gets responses... this should be locked. its an obvious troll post. Worst combat system ever? who are you? so you played ever game and with some miracle formula decided that WaR has the worst combat system ever? is it maybe because you played to lvl 5 and had only a couple of spells? Is it you have an ADD disorder? Is it because your a WoW fanboy? is it because your a TROLL? I like to think is a combination of all.
playing: Dragon Age
Waiting: for FF14, Mass Effect
Want to try: Fallen Earth
I am sorry for you.
The big difference between thoose games are that WARs combat gets better as you level up while AoC just becomes worse (just like the rest of the game)... So if you are running around as a lvl 3 healer in WAR the combat will probably feel very boring...
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
I am sorry for you.
Don't be he likes AoC good for him. Not liking AoC wont make WAR any better or worse so saying things like WAR is better then AoC means nothing to the players playing AoC, just like players saying AoC is better then WAR wont matter to the players playing WAR. So again bashing AoC to make your point is pointless and it will never make another game better then it already is. same is said for AoC.
I am sorry for you.
Don't be he likes AoC good for him. Not liking AoC wont make WAR any better or worse so saying things like WAR is better then AoC means nothing to the players playing AoC, just like players saying AoC is better then WAR wont matter to the players playing WAR. So again bashing AoC to make your point is pointless and it will never make another game better then it already is. same is said for AoC.
It wont make WAR or any other game better or worst... but... I am still sorry for him.
Exactly, you played the beta.
I have played and purchased both.
Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
I've played and purchased both games, and in my opinion AoC is the same shit as any other game just disguised in a more annoying package. Why click 3 buttons to do what could be done by clicking one?
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
WAR is a good mmo... but the combat system does suck imho
I think the problem is people dont play any other mmo's other then a few. So they "think" these games are amazing and apparently every other game sucks.
I could see people getting mad if I came on here saying the game blows. I never did, I find the combat and game too slow which makes me dislike the game.
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage.
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion.
But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn
And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities.
Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion.
But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn
And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities.
if you want a game with combat system like oblivion ...
there are 3 real good ones imo coming out
one you mentioned is the chronicles of spellborn(27-11-2008)
other is mortal online (summer 2009)
and last and my personal favorite DARKFALL (end 2008)
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system.
On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had.
I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with.
But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
I agree that its the typical boring combat system similar to WoW/Vanguard/EQII etc. When soloing anyway. In groups you'll see soon enough that the classes complement each other very well.
RvR in this game (in the open areas, not scenarios) is a blast! Open group system ftw! I never experienced so much spontaneous castle sieges and warcamp defending before in a MMO.
The scenarios however show the usual WoW like uncoordinated battlegrounds crap. Those are only fun when I go with guildies.
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
I agree with the essence of how you described combat in WAR, and I have no direct experience with AoC, so my input on that point is of limited value. However, the main point that has failed to be made here is that some people prefer "traditional" MMORPG style combat, and some people prefer "video game console" style combat. There is no implicit truth that one style of combat is inherently better or worse than another. There is only a matter of personal preference as to which style you enjoy using.
Personally, I admittedly suck at playing console video games. Why I play PC games in the first place is so I'm not a 41 year old guy competing with the reflexes of a 14 year old kid. There is no faster "twitch" pattern memorization (ABAAABX for the win!) skill in WAR, and for that I'm glad. WAR actually requires some application of tatical awareness and strategic thinking, and that gives me an advantage over a typical "twitch" minded short attention span 14 year old.
I have no problem with WoW or AoC. They serve a useful purpose in keeping WAR clear of players who would likely try to ruin the game with their whining and complaining. Everyone playing WAR should be happy these products are on the market and doing well. In return, everyone playing AoC and WoW should appreciate that WAR is here to keep us from ruining your MMORPG experience by whining and complaining about your game.
To the OP: you need to learn the difference between objective and subjective. I suggest starting with a dictionary. Judgements like: better, best, good, bad, crap, great, etc. are all subjective evaluations and can not be proven as fact. Your opinions on what is better is only meaningful to you, and just maybe to the persons who already agree with you. You are changing no ones mind on the matter. To the rest of us, your opinion on the matter is effectively worthless because we have a different opinion, and our own personal subjective reasons why we do.
I hope this helps.
ok, here's my take on the combat system
credentials:WOW 70 shaman and a horde of alts, WAR 13 WH and a slew of lower alts (1-5) to check out mechanisms. AOC, no first hand (so any false assumptions I make, I will be open to criticism)
Now, I personally think WAR takes combat an additional step beyond WOW, but it does not involve button mashing, but how you, the player, prepare and play the character.
You start realizing how many decisions you have to make when you hit level 11. By then you have all the choices starting to hit you, like Renown, Mastery, Morale and Tactics.
Renown lets you increase your stats, get new tactics to start with.
Mastery is similar to Talents in WOW, but with a twist, every point you put in your "branch" scales up the skills attached to it as well as open new abilities over the long run.
Morale is a skill that you can use depending on how long you remain (and survive) in combat. If you live long enough, it gives you yet another ability you can use (to great effect the longer you last)
Tactics is a specific buff that enhances you, and you get three types of them. Career, Renown and Tome (yes, the Tome does give you extra abilities in the long term)
So this comes back to what I started to say. Your decisions on combat start a lot earlier than seeing your opponent. YOu have MANY more decisions to make before the first spell or swing of your weapon. When I get back from work (in 10 hours) I can go into more detail if you would like on how exactly how each type effects you. Until then, my only advice is get to level 11 and see what the game has to offer.
Have a good day one and all.
Exactly, you played the beta.
I have played and purchased both.
Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated.
MMO's go way past, AOC and WOW my friend. Many others to choose, take a look.
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I think the problem is people dont play any other mmo's other then a few. So they "think" these games are amazing and apparently every other game sucks.
I could see people getting mad if I came on here saying the game blows. I never did, I find the combat and game too slow which makes me dislike the game.
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage.
NO! where did I say that??
I'm saying the combat in this game Warhammer Online is WEAK. It's slow, it's outdated, and the combat music is terriable. Where did you see in my post me saying that AOC was amazing?
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Yes nothing to see here, maybe they should have a filter that only fanboys post's can be seen.
The point is, people should know how the combat is.
Except, of course, that you are avoiding the fact that you are trying to make yourself sound like some sort of an authority. It is your opinion that the combat is lacking, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Of course the evidence that you put forth as your experience with war, playing a runepriest, is severely lacking and therefore causes the validity of your statement to fail utterly and completely. Been past level 5 yet, how about past 20? Tried all the classes in the game which, in turn, would give you a good feel of how the combat in war is, in general, rather than in a very limited test case? Of course you may very well come back with some nonsensical response how you ahve tested ever character through every tier etc etc etc, but the fact of the matter is, if you had, you would have used something of quite a bit more substance than I played a runepriest and combat was slow.
Yes you know you are exactly right! when someone reviews an MMO they need to play every class all the way up to at least 40 to come to the conclustion that the combat mechanics are slow paced. Let me guess I need to have five maxed out chrs to think that the graphics are unerpar and that the music is average?
You' saying I need to beat a game like Halo 3 just to say I don't like the aiming in the game ? Please I can tell from 1hr in if the aiming is going to be an issue or not.
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HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system.
On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had.
I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with.
But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments??
Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd?
I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts.
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HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit .
Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities.
WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc
AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc
its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system .
ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system.
On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had.
I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with.
But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
I am waiting.
LOL and where are your arguments??
Oh wait is this it? calling AOC a piece of Turd?
I'm waiting for you to grow up before I respond to that silly post which is filled with no "REAL" facts.
Nah i meant bring on some more absurd comparisons and i will answer you with facts. Hence still waiting. Truth is you got nothing to prove except crying for graphics and combat system. You want me to give facts? how about you bring some solid reasons to diss WAR and glorify your beloved aoc, we will talk facts then.
before you accuse anyone for being childish. look at your posts. All you do is whine and throw fit like some spoiled brat. I still have to see one good reasoning from you. the fact that you brought up AOC to ridicule WAR shows you have no idea how different these two games really are.
So once again either be quiet or bring some real arguments on table. Because i have active sub for both AOC and WAR so i can call bullshit on all your points.
Still waiting though.
I dunno, I find it better than AOC.
AOC combo system was pure button mashing, making me hit 5 buttons just to do a special move and making it take roughly 5 seconds to do one? That was just a silly system. Sure you hit buttons faster than in WAR but you made decisions a lot less often.
The AOC combat animations were better and the sounds were a ton better but the rest of the game was just bland and boring and the PvP systems cannot compare, WAR is so much better.