you'd know the majority of people did not wish harm on him or his family
Wrong. I wasnt blind to the past 2 years of bashing and hatred directed at the Dev team at SOE, were you? Or you just dont want to admit it now? The guy, as well as other devs were bashed to no end, still are. People wanted them dead, out of a job, careers ruined etc. Paint it however you want, the few of you on this board who "forgave him" do not represent the majority of bloodthirsty tools out there who had a hate for him and the dev team that was downright scary. Again, its just a game. As for a legitimate grievance, all I am saying is many of you were the same wishing ill will on him, deny it if you like, but it true. as for fanboi commnet, not really sure what you are talking about to be honest, /shrug
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
The Man is dead. Anyone still hanging onto any anger towards him needs to just let it go. IMHO, of course.
There was a movie once with Nick Nolte - Farewell to the king I think... He recounts the battle to the death with a rival leader for control of the tribe. He says something to the effect, he was a bad man, but seeing him dead they all remembered the little boy that played among them as a child....
Time to let go of anything you might of been hanging onto towards this guy.... Death is forever unfortunately.
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
you'd know the majority of people did not wish harm on him or his family
Wrong. I wasnt blind to the past 2 years of bashing and hatred directed at the Dev team at SOE, were you? Or you just dont want to admit it now? The guy, as well as other devs were bashed to no end, still are. People wanted them dead, out of a job, careers ruined etc. Paint it however you want, the few of you on this board who "forgave him" do not represent the majority of bloodthirsty tools out there who had a hate for him and the dev team that was downright scary. Again, its just a game. As for a legitimate grievance, all I am saying is many of you were the same wishing ill will on him, deny it if you like, but it true. as for fanboi commnet, not really sure what you are talking about to be honest, /shrug
Care to prove your point, or would you rather just continue to utter unproven, false assertions? Or how about defining "ill will" in the context you are using it? How about you just stop lumping together wanting someone dead, and wanting to see someone out of the job in which they screwed people over in?
How about showing an example of "bloodthirsty tools," add them all up, then place that next to people with basic grievances over the loss of a game they loved?
I see the slide away from the original context...typical of someone who knows they have lost an argument.
Either way, why are you exploiting the death of a man just so you can attack people?
you'd know the majority of people did not wish harm on him or his family
Wrong. I wasnt blind to the past 2 years of bashing and hatred directed at the Dev team at SOE, were you? Or you just dont want to admit it now? The guy, as well as other devs were bashed to no end, still are. People wanted them dead, out of a job, careers ruined etc. Paint it however you want, the few of you on this board who "forgave him" do not represent the majority of bloodthirsty tools out there who had a hate for him and the dev team that was downright scary. Again, its just a game. As for a legitimate grievance, all I am saying is many of you were the same wishing ill will on him, deny it if you like, but it true. as for fanboi commnet, not really sure what you are talking about to be honest, /shrug
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
you'd know the majority of people did not wish harm on him or his family
Wrong. I wasnt blind to the past 2 years of bashing and hatred directed at the Dev team at SOE, were you? Or you just dont want to admit it now? The guy, as well as other devs were bashed to no end, still are. People wanted them dead, out of a job, careers ruined etc. Paint it however you want, the few of you on this board who "forgave him" do not represent the majority of bloodthirsty tools out there who had a hate for him and the dev team that was downright scary. Again, its just a game. As for a legitimate grievance, all I am saying is many of you were the same wishing ill will on him, deny it if you like, but it true. as for fanboi commnet, not really sure what you are talking about to be honest, /shrug
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
you'd know the majority of people did not wish harm on him or his family
Wrong. I wasnt blind to the past 2 years of bashing and hatred directed at the Dev team at SOE, were you? Or you just dont want to admit it now? The guy, as well as other devs were bashed to no end, still are. People wanted them dead, out of a job, careers ruined etc. Paint it however you want, the few of you on this board who "forgave him" do not represent the majority of bloodthirsty tools out there who had a hate for him and the dev team that was downright scary. Again, its just a game. As for a legitimate grievance, all I am saying is many of you were the same wishing ill will on him, deny it if you like, but it true. as for fanboi commnet, not really sure what you are talking about to be honest, /shrug
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
you'd know the majority of people did not wish harm on him or his family
Wrong. I wasnt blind to the past 2 years of bashing and hatred directed at the Dev team at SOE, were you? Or you just dont want to admit it now? The guy, as well as other devs were bashed to no end, still are. People wanted them dead, out of a job, careers ruined etc. Paint it however you want, the few of you on this board who "forgave him" do not represent the majority of bloodthirsty tools out there who had a hate for him and the dev team that was downright scary. Again, its just a game. As for a legitimate grievance, all I am saying is many of you were the same wishing ill will on him, deny it if you like, but it true. as for fanboi commnet, not really sure what you are talking about to be honest, /shrug
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
I would be more concerned with being lumped in with the Movie Talker People. Now that's a group I want to see dead.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
you got owned by a Firefly reference...and i have to say that was an extremely well placed reference at that lol :P
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
you got owned by a Firefly reference...and i have to say that was an extremely well placed reference at that lol :P
We disagreed about the NGE. But I also knew that when he got blamed for the whole thing, that it was a silly oversimplification, and I said so. It wasnt fair for him to be the public face of the NGE, but it happened anyway. He spent a huge amount of time talking to the players, talking to people for years afterwards, explaining, apologizing, justifying what he didnt need to and shouldnt have had to.
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There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
The Man is dead. Anyone still hanging onto any anger towards him needs to just let it go. IMHO, of course.
There was a movie once with Nick Nolte - Farewell to the king I think... He recounts the battle to the death with a rival leader for control of the tribe. He says something to the effect, he was a bad man, but seeing him dead they all remembered the little boy that played among them as a child....
Time to let go of anything you might of been hanging onto towards this guy.... Death is forever unfortunately.
Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Care to prove your point, or would you rather just continue to utter unproven, false assertions? Or how about defining "ill will" in the context you are using it? How about you just stop lumping together wanting someone dead, and wanting to see someone out of the job in which they screwed people over in?
How about showing an example of "bloodthirsty tools," add them all up, then place that next to people with basic grievances over the loss of a game they loved?
I see the slide away from the original context...typical of someone who knows they have lost an argument.
Either way, why are you exploiting the death of a man just so you can attack people?
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There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
RIP Jeff
Other will finish the great game that you once built.
There was bashing. There was hatred. And I'm not disputing that there were some asshats who wanted someone dead as a result. Your claim that those asshats are the majority, however, is what I called blind ignorance, and I always will. They deserved the bashing. They deserved the insults. If you screw up that badly at your job, would you expect to be doing it much longer? How does that screw-up look on a resume once you're fired for incompetence from your existing position and are looking for another job as a game designer? They deserved to be called out in every way, EXCEPT wanted dead. Nobody with an ounce of humanity wanted anyone dead. Yes, those people existed, but they were far and away in the minority.
This is all irrelevant anyway, as Jeff's own brother stated his suicide had nothing to do with the NGE. And those few who celebrate his death as some sort of "revenge" for destroying SWG can go crawl back under their rocks now; they made their point.
I wanted him dead. If you think I dont have an ounce of humanity, I'll take that label. It doesnt bother me. Furthermore, I highly doubt that NGE had nothing to do with his death. He may have had personal issues we'll never know, but stack epic fail and emotional distress of hundreds of thousands of gamers ON TOP of those personal issues, and it just adds to the load.
As for "yug" and his "just a game" comment - people give years of their lives to gaming. Its a hobby, a way to relax, a way to relieve stress and tension, and something to build upon (specifically MMORPGs). If I put three years into a character, only to have that character for instance deleted, I've just lost time out of my life. That isnt a good thing.
Is it any different than building a car from scratch? Collecting something? No. It means something to each one of us, some more than others. These "developers" ruined a game that (for many Star Wars fans) kicked ass. A game like that isnt going to be coming around soon. The emulator isnt anywhere near finished yet, so we CANNOT get that back. They took something away from us. Some of us it was mere enjoyment, some of us it was years of our life (not to mention cash) that we can never get back again.
Man, I weep for the lost games. Magestorm, Legends Of Kesmai (still around, for free no less. The playerbase is only about 30), the crappier sequal to the former, the name I cant even remember. These are the games I personally went through my teens with, having so much fun that any other course of action than to continue those games can only be met with the utmost of hatred.
I played Ultima Online for a very long time, since the days of the Abyss Test. That taught me to turn off my human side. Its dog-eat-dog on that game, and that's what I learned. I played Everquest at launch and was giddy like a five year old at Christmas when I saw the graphics. I had to buy a Voodoo 3 just to run it, and that was a big deal in those days. I played DAoC and fell in love with the celtic/mythological theme, parading around the highlands of Camelot with a Highlander Cleric, trying to roleplay with idiotic kids who wanted to "lvl". Anarchy Online gave way to a new experience of fighting on the front lines of a war, but remaining true to an MMO setting.
SWG was THE MMO of my choice. The grinding was insane, but the lure of getting a Jedi was more than worth it. I could join the Empire and shoot Rebels from hiding places. I could reroll a character and have obscene amounts of classes to choose from. It was just... perfect. Then they turned it into an Everquest style of game, and a perfectly good game, with a perfectly good playerbase DIED immediately.
I might have ranted a bit there, but let me put it like this.
No one cares that this guy offed himself. You can give as many phony grieving posts as you want, but this man's death didnt affect your lives in the slightest. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
No one cares that this man died. People care that the GAME died, however. Maybe that says a lot about the game, or the people playing it. I dont know about that. I just know that someone who took part in the removal of a few years of my life is gone. I dont care if he killed himself because of his part in NGE. I just care that he is gone, and that satisfies some terrible rage inside of me. I'm sure it does the same for others.
Maybe that puts some feelings in perspective.
There is a "Special " place for you when you cross over....A place reserved for Child Molesters and People who talk in Movie Theaters.
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
I would be more concerned with being lumped in with the Movie Talker People. Now that's a group I want to see dead.
REAP IT!
This is suppose to be a Rest in PEACE thread. Please keep it respectful. Whatever it is Jeff had troubled with, only his heart knows.
My heart goes to his family, dear friends and those that care deeply.
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
you got owned by a Firefly reference...and i have to say that was an extremely well placed reference at that lol :P
Wow. You burned me. Time to change what I think now that you've said that. No wonder the internet is full of people who claim to be hitmen and other such blatant lies. When someone gives an honest response to something, they get flamed.
That had nothing to do with this thread, or my post. Furthermore, I dont enjoy being compared to a child molester. I dont think I need to say that comparing me to that is just a bit FUBAR.
you got owned by a Firefly reference...and i have to say that was an extremely well placed reference at that lol :P
Season 1 : Ep. 6 (Firefly: Our Mrs. Reynolds)
ummm...I'm a bit of a fan.
Don't know if this has already been posted somewhere but Raph Koster posted a blog about Jeff a few weeks back on his site.
www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/30/jeff-dundee-freeman/">www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/30/jeff-dundee-freeman/
A small excerpt regarding the NGE