The title is funny. He meant accept but ironically put the opposite of except with meaning all mmos are the best of all time...except WoW..
Anyway best mmo? In terms of quality, quite probably. It has strong attention to it's art style and direction, strong attention to making enjoyable and fun classes. But, you must question whether grind and a great number of collect x items, y items, kill x/y mobs constitutes great gameplay? Does it constitute the best mmo gameplay of now? If it does, then we really are waiting for something really good to come along...
Yep, for a number of years straight the most successful selling car was the Ford Escort. Now I highly doubt anyone had a Ford Escort on their "Best Car" list of all time. But the numbers were up cause they sold escorts in bulk to government agencies, rental car agencies and the like. Now just cause they SOLD more, didnt mean it was better than a Camry, which it wasnt. Walmart is the most successful store around, but i wouldnt buy MY computer or furniture from there. But so many do. That doesnt make Walmart the best. Just the best value. (and even this is debated). I wouldnt consider Walmart the "best store" just based on customers.
Im not saying WoW shipped out boxes by the tons with discounts left and right, not at all. But to argue simply on the basis on "well, it SOLD the most so it must be the best game ever" is pretty bad logic. Same with sub amounts. If there is a lull in the MMO market, which there has been in the past 5 years imo, people will stay with the simpliest, easiest choice, which was WoW.
Still doesnt make it the best. Wow is the best VALUE, but not the best.
Here we go again... with the WoW bs..... Better - Better is a word of opinion. Best - Best is a word of opinion.
Let's use this one because this is what applies to WoW and makes it best and better.
Success - Success is a factual word. It is a word used to describe something concrete.
WoW is successful. It is the #1 most successful MMO to ever be produced in the world of all time. The above statement is not my opinion it is a fact of life. That being said here is what WoW fans argue with non WoW fans about. WoW players - 10 million + LotRO players - 200-300k Range FFXI players - 200-300k Range AoC players - Who knows it sucks maybe 150k? WAR Players - 500k maybe give or take DDO players - 150k CoX players - 150-200k DAoC - 10,000 Guild Wars - 750k-1million Lineage 2 - 5 million
I can do this all day long.
Now to these 150k - 5 million mark players of other games, wow is not the best, else they would be in wow. Fact though that if you glance through the games list on MMORPG.com WoW prolly has more subs in it's single game than every game on that list combined.
So is WoW the best MMO out there? Not to many not to at least 9 million MMO players.... But 10 Million + out there say you are wrong. Money talks and bullshit walks.... and Blizzard talks a lot.
WoW better or the best? who knows but it sure as hell is the most successful.
I see so much WOW hate. I've played some great MMO's, but none come close to the overall package of WOW. I loved Neocrons dark atmospheric world that reminded me of Blade Runner. I loved the vast open sandbox of SWG, and the player housing. I'm currently loving LOTRO. However no game has ever had the same effect of my that WOW did when i first started playing. I've never spent so much time in a game. It's to put simply a class act. The world always draws me back, and it's the best most detailed game world ever created in a MMO. Most people who dislikes the game, only dislike it because it's cool to dislike WOW, much like President Bush. This video sums up perfectly what a great game WOW was and still is: Click Here:
Please change the title of your post. You make yourself look idiotic. Except is not the word you were looking for, try accept.
so it boils down to this again does it, some bored WoW player mouthing off that "WoW is the greatest", next he'll be saying all MMO's after it are ripoffs (flame and spit if you like but WoW is a copy in it's own right using the same arguments that the WoW lovers use)..
Suffice to say WoW may be the best for those that play it and aint too keen on other MMO's at the moment, fair play to em and good luck, those that feel the need to slag off other MMORPG's in favour of WoW need to get a grip on reality. WoW is the best for YOU not EVERYONE.. there is no need or point to threads like this or the arguments for WoW being the best. WoW stands on it's own merits which include a successful genre. You people like simple, fair enough and good on you, personally i prefer complex such as Pre-NGE SWG (yes i'm a SWG refugee, whoop de doo) do i mouth off that SWG was the greatest? nope, it was my first ever MMORPG and it was the best FOR ME...
MMORPG forum moderators could use a kick in the butt and stop this kind of junk the moment it's spotted (as well as many other types of junk threads that mean nothing, such as the hate/fail ones)
K lets go through some examples. Dungeons: WOW's best dungeons/Instances are much better than any game out there. Prove me wrong. The Deadmines for example is more fun than any other dungeon i've ever played in another MMO.
According to YOU, not to me
The MMO market is about 15million people. 11 million play WOW, so the vast majoirty of players agree with me. What gives the minority the right to think the majority are fools for believing this. Ok think of this. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in god, but the majoirtiy of the world do believe in god. I think all the believers are dumb for believing. How does that make you feel when i say that? Ignorant? Well thats how WOW players feel when we are told we are carebears for likeing this game.
Sorry to break your expectations. The MMO is not a 11mil MMO market , it have more than that amount. Have you ever try let say Dofus online, Lineage2, Pristontale Tale2, Rohan, RO2etc, all these have more than 1 mil players. Maybe not in amercia but in France and Asia, Middle east and eastern europe. Half of the players that play WoW are actually in Asia.
Played WoW at its launch, and the Burning Crusade this year. But didnt like it too well. There are still many unpolished parts like the brief tooltip description, the skill layout, the Auction House (A lot of MMO copied this and failed miserable), mail system etc. Excluding bugs. Even the dungeon is not fun, sad to say, Dungeonrunner did a better job. As for its quests, it is so lazy, it can only track 5 quests and too dependable on add on, and it is buggy 2 months ago when i played it.
WoW is simple WoW. For all its let down, it is still a great game because it tries to make a game for players. But it should do better. My only major regret is that all the other english mmo tried to copy wow bindly and took the unpolish features as a industry standard, instead of improvising it or coming up with a unique or better system.
Here we go again... with the WoW bs..... Better - Better is a word of opinion. Best - Best is a word of opinion.
Let's use this one because this is what applies to WoW and makes it best and better.
Success - Success is a factual word. It is a word used to describe something concrete.
WoW is successful. It is the #1 most successful MMO to ever be produced in the world of all time. The above statement is not my opinion it is a fact of life. That being said here is what WoW fans argue with non WoW fans about. WoW players - 10 million + LotRO players - 200-300k Range FFXI players - 200-300k Range AoC players - Who knows it sucks maybe 150k? WAR Players - 500k maybe give or take DDO players - 150k CoX players - 150-200k DAoC - 10,000 Guild Wars - 750k-1million Lineage 2 - 5 million
I can do this all day long.
Now to these 150k - 5 million mark players of other games, wow is not the best, else they would be in wow. Fact though that if you glance through the games list on MMORPG.com WoW prolly has more subs in it's single game than every game on that list combined.
So is WoW the best MMO out there? Not to many not to at least 9 million MMO players.... But 10 Million + out there say you are wrong. Money talks and bullshit walks.... and Blizzard talks a lot.
WoW better or the best? who knows but it sure as hell is the most successful.
Where do you get those numbers from, mmochart.com, mmocrunch.com and what's all the other sites than claim they got accurate numbers are called? They are all wrong. It's guesswork at best. Only the companies running those mmo's know the real numbers and they aint talking.
My guess as good as their to be honest. Where is the wildly popular Runescape in your little list? That game boasts a few million players according to themselfes. All those massivly online community games, allthough calling them games is a stretch, like habbo hotel and it's likes? They grab a few million players as well.
See, it's all guesswork and inaccurate at best. I'm not arguing that WoW got it's numbers as Blizzard release their numbers quarterly, but they are the exception in the crowd, not the rule. Usually a mmo developer/publisher only releases their numbers when their game is going uphill to create a little more hype about it. Look at WAR's lately breaking the 500,000 mark and boasting about it for an example of that.
The positive thing WoW did is that it strengthened the genre, as in introducing a lot of new players to it. The bad thing it did is that after dominating the market it put it's gameplay development to a complete halt and almost all new mmos are stuck with auto-attack, endless grinding and meaningless, annoying PvP, because developers are afraid to break the mold.
What all Wow haters (what's in a name?) have in common is that they never see the evolution.
Those who played it in 2006 wouldn't even recognize the current game anymore.
Blizzard constantly fine tunes it.
Just one example : how many of you - old players - know that you gain extensive experience honor and gold from daily open world PvP quests? I am 69 with my new PvP rogue and I really have to watch out not hitting 70 too early with all these multiple 12.300 experience PvP stuff I get each day for EACH PvP daily. So I only do 3 of them each day (2 open world and 1 in the BG).
Just an example like daily heroic dungeons or arena championships with free CHOICE of gear and 25.000 dollar price money PER player.
Or the fact that each Wow Realm had to contribute to the landing on Sunwell Island and everyone had to work together to change the Sunwell lands.
AV will have its 4th change with WotLK, but you all speak of Wow of yesterday. The one without PvP gear, resilience, arena, awarded open world pvp, heroic dungeons, professions that are updated each 6 months, etc....
The usual Blizzard quality.
To me, Rohan is the best game:)
Do you know that you do not own your account in WoW? Once u stop paying, you cant even access ur account...what a great sense of ownership and a great waste of time.
Here we go again... with the WoW bs..... Better - Better is a word of opinion. Best - Best is a word of opinion.
Let's use this one because this is what applies to WoW and makes it best and better.
Success - Success is a factual word. It is a word used to describe something concrete.
WoW is successful. It is the #1 most successful MMO to ever be produced in the world of all time. The above statement is not my opinion it is a fact of life. That being said here is what WoW fans argue with non WoW fans about. WoW players - 10 million + LotRO players - 200-300k Range FFXI players - 200-300k Range AoC players - Who knows it sucks maybe 150k? WAR Players - 500k maybe give or take DDO players - 150k CoX players - 150-200k DAoC - 10,000 Guild Wars - 750k-1million Lineage 2 - 5 million
I can do this all day long.
Now to these 150k - 5 million mark players of other games, wow is not the best, else they would be in wow. Fact though that if you glance through the games list on MMORPG.com WoW prolly has more subs in it's single game than every game on that list combined.
So is WoW the best MMO out there? Not to many not to at least 9 million MMO players.... But 10 Million + out there say you are wrong. Money talks and bullshit walks.... and Blizzard talks a lot.
WoW better or the best? who knows but it sure as hell is the most successful.
Where do you get those numbers from, mmochart.com, mmocrunch.com and what's all the other sites than claim they got accurate numbers are called? They are all wrong. It's guesswork at best. Only the companies running those mmo's know the real numbers and they aint talking.
My guess as good as their to be honest. Where is the wildly popular Runescape in your little list? That game boasts a few million players according to themselfes. All those massivly online community games, allthough calling them games is a stretch, like habbo hotel and it's likes? They grab a few million players as well.
See, it's all guesswork and inaccurate at best. I'm not arguing that WoW got it's numbers as Blizzard release their numbers quarterly, but they are the exception in the crowd, not the rule. Usually a mmo developer/publisher only releases their numbers when their game is going uphill to create a little more hype about it. Look at WAR's lately breaking the 500,000 mark and boasting about it for an example of that.
People always take everything so literal, never looking at what is actually being said, just looking to see what can be scrutinized to later be able to say "OH OH HE SAID 1 MILLION WHEN THERE IS REALLY 5!! HAHAH IDIOT!"
Honestly anyone reading my post should have known what I was doing, I guessed on every sub number in that list based off various things around the net I have a good idea where games subs are. Here though I will address some issues that were brought up though.
1. Runescape blows, uninstall it and play The Legend of Zelda on the NES. Same graphics same gameplay, just added the ability to talk and BOOM! Runescape.... garbage.
2. Lineage 1 or Lineage 2 who gives a flying you know what. They both have alot of subs. Stick them together and they still don't dent wow.
3. SOmeone said FFXI has 500k players.... quit dreaming the game is a friggin ghost town. I have had to swap servers 3 times now just to find players to play with. 500k my ass, I was being generous giving it 300k.
Anyway, don't look at my post as a literal numbers, like im sitting here with all these companies sub numbers in my lap.
It is pretty common knowledge wow has a minimum of 10 million players. They say it is up around 14+ now but I wont go that far yet.
What I was saying is, you can take many many many many games on the market right now and combine them and you can't even tough wow's sub numbers.
Most of the people I know that still play, only play because they lack the money to upgrade their rigs to play anything else. If they log on at all any more it's because they are bored in their free time and have nothing else to pass the time.
Here we go again... with the WoW bs..... Better - Better is a word of opinion. Best - Best is a word of opinion.
Let's use this one because this is what applies to WoW and makes it best and better.
Success - Success is a factual word. It is a word used to describe something concrete.
WoW is successful. It is the #1 most successful MMO to ever be produced in the world of all time. The above statement is not my opinion it is a fact of life. That being said here is what WoW fans argue with non WoW fans about. WoW players - 10 million + LotRO players - 200-300k Range FFXI players - 200-300k Range AoC players - Who knows it sucks maybe 150k? WAR Players - 500k maybe give or take DDO players - 150k CoX players - 150-200k DAoC - 10,000 Guild Wars - 750k-1million Lineage 2 - 5 million
I can do this all day long.
Now to these 150k - 5 million mark players of other games, wow is not the best, else they would be in wow. Fact though that if you glance through the games list on MMORPG.com WoW prolly has more subs in it's single game than every game on that list combined.
So is WoW the best MMO out there? Not to many not to at least 9 million MMO players.... But 10 Million + out there say you are wrong. Money talks and bullshit walks.... and Blizzard talks a lot.
WoW better or the best? who knows but it sure as hell is the most successful.
Where do you get those numbers from, mmochart.com, mmocrunch.com and what's all the other sites than claim they got accurate numbers are called? They are all wrong. It's guesswork at best. Only the companies running those mmo's know the real numbers and they aint talking.
My guess as good as their to be honest. Where is the wildly popular Runescape in your little list? That game boasts a few million players according to themselfes. All those massivly online community games, allthough calling them games is a stretch, like habbo hotel and it's likes? They grab a few million players as well.
See, it's all guesswork and inaccurate at best. I'm not arguing that WoW got it's numbers as Blizzard release their numbers quarterly, but they are the exception in the crowd, not the rule. Usually a mmo developer/publisher only releases their numbers when their game is going uphill to create a little more hype about it. Look at WAR's lately breaking the 500,000 mark and boasting about it for an example of that.
People always take everything so literal, never looking at what is actually being said, just looking to see what can be scrutinized to later be able to say "OH OH HE SAID 1 MILLION WHEN THERE IS REALLY 5!! HAHAH IDIOT!"
Honestly anyone reading my post should have known what I was doing, I guessed on every sub number in that list based off various things around the net I have a good idea where games subs are. Here though I will address some issues that were brought up though.
1. Runescape blows, uninstall it and play The Legend of Zelda on the NES. Same graphics same gameplay, just added the ability to talk and BOOM! Runescape.... garbage.
2. Lineage 1 or Lineage 2 who gives a flying you know what. They both have alot of subs. Stick them together and they still don't dent wow.
3. SOmeone said FFXI has 500k players.... quit dreaming the game is a friggin ghost town. I have had to swap servers 3 times now just to find players to play with. 500k my ass, I was being generous giving it 300k.
Anyway, don't look at my post as a literal numbers, like im sitting here with all these companies sub numbers in my lap.
It is pretty common knowledge wow has a minimum of 10 million players. They say it is up around 14+ now but I wont go that far yet.
What I was saying is, you can take many many many many games on the market right now and combine them and you can't even tough wow's sub numbers.
This does define success. Like it or not.
Awesome, congratulations, job well done!
Oh wait, you didn't actually create WoW? You don't work for Blizzard? You don't have any stock in the company? You aren't in any way a part of the MMORPG industry.....so then why the fuck do you care about sub numbers? What does any of it matter to you or anyone else for that matter? Enjoy the game, and be content that you are.
Why do you guys all have to sit on your soapboxes day in and day out shouting about how WoW is the king, the best, the greatest, the champion, etc...? I mean really I could care less whether WoW had 100 millions subs or just 100. If you guys are having fun then that's awesome, but WoW's success in no way makes you a success for playing it. It's sad that you feel the need to justify your game by shouting numbers like this. I mean really, it's just a game.......
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
Most of the people I know that still play, only play because they lack the money to upgrade their rigs to play anything else. If they log on at all any more it's because they are bored in their free time and have nothing else to pass the time. Like I said, not the best just the most popular.
haha thats a nice reason for playing wow (irony).
if i dont have the money or the time to play a mmorpg i just dont buy it. now the gaming industry reacting and producing games with odd graphics and a gameplay who maybe challenging a 5 year old. that is the "sucess"- key from wow: it is just simple. i dont want buying games like wow or warhammer etc.
I thought the school system taught these types of things. Guess I was wrong.
I do not even play wow. I won't dispute the fact that wow is a good game. Noone in their right mind would call it a bad game. It is well oiled and polished in it's current state. I do not think it is the best either. Well it is in some areas but not all. Why do you think I play WAR over WoW.
I however am not naieve enough to sit here and debate on which game is the most popular out of all MMO's on the market. That is what it all boils down to at the end of any discussion or debate.
We could sit here for a week and debate back and forth on mechanics, graphics, pvp, whatever and none of it is going to matter. At the end of the week all it boils down to is which game is played more by the most people. That would be WoW.
I really do not understand what is so hard to get on this concept. Just because you and I do not believe wow is the best, doesn't make it so. We are outnumbered by the people who think it is.
Anyway, I could care less who plays wow. I have my game, I enjoy my game a lot. It isn't wow.
If having the most people equals the best, then i guess you are correct. I played pretty much every MMO out there including WOW and while it has polish it lacks in so many other areas.
If my beloved SWG wouldn't have been gutted and dumbed down to WOW lvls, i would have never bought or would have played any other MMO. I would still be living in my Star Wars vitual world with the other 250k of people that was playing.
Best MMO of all time? Well that's more of personal opinion because I still think UO is by far the best and guess what that's my opinion. The sales of WoW puts it up there as most sold for a MMO but don't get that confused with be great for everyone because pvp lacks and the new changes are going to make it super casual friendly.
OMG i am so sick of this argument hey you love WoW great go play it, i love WAR it has been great so far and yes i played WoW it was really great for a long time but after not expanion in 2 years that bull shit EQ2 has had an expansion regularly and i left that game for WoW. You saying hey WoW is the best isn't going to make people go omg he's right my eyes are open!
Gotta love the folks that started their first MMO experience with WOW.
WOW is the Mcdonalds of MMORPG's. We can all talk design and how brilliantly dungeons are done and how brilliant this and that is done but in the end WOW players cannot do the dungeons without mods. Sad but true.
Spoonfed playing is what I call it. Yes I played WOW in CB and then 3 years. I had a great time and love the world. Max level was something else. I would wager to say that most dungeons in WOW right now would not have been completed without mods. Brilliant design ? I think not.
Endless rep grind so you can do the same dungeon 100 times hoping to get the piece of loot is not a good game design. The game basically ended up being a huge time sink and you got your award.
I was on a PVP server. PVP 99.9% of the time is in the BG's. Although I can still remember all the skellies and fights at BRM and Kara.
What game designers really need to take from WOW is the immersive world. Absolutely agree. But other then that keep playing the game and enjoy your endless march in the same dungeon for the 100th time for that precious purple pixel.
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the best mmo in the world is the one you get entertained and enjoyment out of. dont matter what its called or who the devs are.
The title is funny. He meant accept but ironically put the opposite of except with meaning all mmos are the best of all time...except WoW..
Anyway best mmo? In terms of quality, quite probably. It has strong attention to it's art style and direction, strong attention to making enjoyable and fun classes. But, you must question whether grind and a great number of collect x items, y items, kill x/y mobs constitutes great gameplay? Does it constitute the best mmo gameplay of now? If it does, then we really are waiting for something really good to come along...
Yeah, People Just Need to (Accept) that Except (for WAR), WoW Is The Best MMO Of All Time!
And you need to "except" you have to get back to school ASAP!
Let's put it this way.
WoW is the most succesful MMO to date, that's a fact
What is best is subjective, what sells more it is not always the best.............
Yep, for a number of years straight the most successful selling car was the Ford Escort. Now I highly doubt anyone had a Ford Escort on their "Best Car" list of all time. But the numbers were up cause they sold escorts in bulk to government agencies, rental car agencies and the like. Now just cause they SOLD more, didnt mean it was better than a Camry, which it wasnt. Walmart is the most successful store around, but i wouldnt buy MY computer or furniture from there. But so many do. That doesnt make Walmart the best. Just the best value. (and even this is debated). I wouldnt consider Walmart the "best store" just based on customers.
Im not saying WoW shipped out boxes by the tons with discounts left and right, not at all. But to argue simply on the basis on "well, it SOLD the most so it must be the best game ever" is pretty bad logic. Same with sub amounts. If there is a lull in the MMO market, which there has been in the past 5 years imo, people will stay with the simpliest, easiest choice, which was WoW.
Still doesnt make it the best. Wow is the best VALUE, but not the best.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Lineage 1 has 1 million active subs ^^
FF11 has more around 500k
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Please change the title of your post. You make yourself look idiotic. Except is not the word you were looking for, try accept.
so it boils down to this again does it, some bored WoW player mouthing off that "WoW is the greatest", next he'll be saying all MMO's after it are ripoffs (flame and spit if you like but WoW is a copy in it's own right using the same arguments that the WoW lovers use)..
Suffice to say WoW may be the best for those that play it and aint too keen on other MMO's at the moment, fair play to em and good luck, those that feel the need to slag off other MMORPG's in favour of WoW need to get a grip on reality. WoW is the best for YOU not EVERYONE.. there is no need or point to threads like this or the arguments for WoW being the best. WoW stands on it's own merits which include a successful genre. You people like simple, fair enough and good on you, personally i prefer complex such as Pre-NGE SWG (yes i'm a SWG refugee, whoop de doo) do i mouth off that SWG was the greatest? nope, it was my first ever MMORPG and it was the best FOR ME...
MMORPG forum moderators could use a kick in the butt and stop this kind of junk the moment it's spotted (as well as many other types of junk threads that mean nothing, such as the hate/fail ones)
According to YOU, not to me
The MMO market is about 15million people. 11 million play WOW, so the vast majoirty of players agree with me. What gives the minority the right to think the majority are fools for believing this. Ok think of this. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in god, but the majoirtiy of the world do believe in god. I think all the believers are dumb for believing. How does that make you feel when i say that? Ignorant? Well thats how WOW players feel when we are told we are carebears for likeing this game.
Sorry to break your expectations. The MMO is not a 11mil MMO market , it have more than that amount. Have you ever try let say Dofus online, Lineage2, Pristontale Tale2, Rohan, RO2etc, all these have more than 1 mil players. Maybe not in amercia but in France and Asia, Middle east and eastern europe. Half of the players that play WoW are actually in Asia.
Played WoW at its launch, and the Burning Crusade this year. But didnt like it too well. There are still many unpolished parts like the brief tooltip description, the skill layout, the Auction House (A lot of MMO copied this and failed miserable), mail system etc. Excluding bugs. Even the dungeon is not fun, sad to say, Dungeonrunner did a better job. As for its quests, it is so lazy, it can only track 5 quests and too dependable on add on, and it is buggy 2 months ago when i played it.
WoW is simple WoW. For all its let down, it is still a great game because it tries to make a game for players. But it should do better. My only major regret is that all the other english mmo tried to copy wow bindly and took the unpolish features as a industry standard, instead of improvising it or coming up with a unique or better system.
Where do you get those numbers from, mmochart.com, mmocrunch.com and what's all the other sites than claim they got accurate numbers are called? They are all wrong. It's guesswork at best. Only the companies running those mmo's know the real numbers and they aint talking.
My guess as good as their to be honest. Where is the wildly popular Runescape in your little list? That game boasts a few million players according to themselfes. All those massivly online community games, allthough calling them games is a stretch, like habbo hotel and it's likes? They grab a few million players as well.
See, it's all guesswork and inaccurate at best. I'm not arguing that WoW got it's numbers as Blizzard release their numbers quarterly, but they are the exception in the crowd, not the rule. Usually a mmo developer/publisher only releases their numbers when their game is going uphill to create a little more hype about it. Look at WAR's lately breaking the 500,000 mark and boasting about it for an example of that.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
What all Wow haters (what's in a name?) have in common is that they never see the evolution.
Those who played it in 2006 wouldn't even recognize the current game anymore.
Blizzard constantly fine tunes it.
Just one example : how many of you - old players - know that you gain extensive experience honor and gold from daily open world PvP quests? I am 69 with my new PvP rogue and I really have to watch out not hitting 70 too early with all these multiple 12.300 experience PvP stuff I get each day for EACH PvP daily. So I only do 3 of them each day (2 open world and 1 in the BG).
Just an example like daily heroic dungeons or arena championships with free CHOICE of gear and 25.000 dollar price money PER player.
Or the fact that each Wow Realm had to contribute to the landing on Sunwell Island and everyone had to work together to change the Sunwell lands.
AV will have its 4th change with WotLK, but you all speak of Wow of yesterday. The one without PvP gear, resilience, arena, awarded open world pvp, heroic dungeons, professions that are updated each 6 months, etc....
The usual Blizzard quality.
To me, Rohan is the best game:)
Do you know that you do not own your account in WoW? Once u stop paying, you cant even access ur account...what a great sense of ownership and a great waste of time.
Where do you get those numbers from, mmochart.com, mmocrunch.com and what's all the other sites than claim they got accurate numbers are called? They are all wrong. It's guesswork at best. Only the companies running those mmo's know the real numbers and they aint talking.
My guess as good as their to be honest. Where is the wildly popular Runescape in your little list? That game boasts a few million players according to themselfes. All those massivly online community games, allthough calling them games is a stretch, like habbo hotel and it's likes? They grab a few million players as well.
See, it's all guesswork and inaccurate at best. I'm not arguing that WoW got it's numbers as Blizzard release their numbers quarterly, but they are the exception in the crowd, not the rule. Usually a mmo developer/publisher only releases their numbers when their game is going uphill to create a little more hype about it. Look at WAR's lately breaking the 500,000 mark and boasting about it for an example of that.
People always take everything so literal, never looking at what is actually being said, just looking to see what can be scrutinized to later be able to say "OH OH HE SAID 1 MILLION WHEN THERE IS REALLY 5!! HAHAH IDIOT!"
Honestly anyone reading my post should have known what I was doing, I guessed on every sub number in that list based off various things around the net I have a good idea where games subs are. Here though I will address some issues that were brought up though.
1. Runescape blows, uninstall it and play The Legend of Zelda on the NES. Same graphics same gameplay, just added the ability to talk and BOOM! Runescape.... garbage.
2. Lineage 1 or Lineage 2 who gives a flying you know what. They both have alot of subs. Stick them together and they still don't dent wow.
3. SOmeone said FFXI has 500k players.... quit dreaming the game is a friggin ghost town. I have had to swap servers 3 times now just to find players to play with. 500k my ass, I was being generous giving it 300k.
Anyway, don't look at my post as a literal numbers, like im sitting here with all these companies sub numbers in my lap.
It is pretty common knowledge wow has a minimum of 10 million players. They say it is up around 14+ now but I wont go that far yet.
What I was saying is, you can take many many many many games on the market right now and combine them and you can't even tough wow's sub numbers.
This does define success. Like it or not.
Most of the people I know that still play, only play because they lack the money to upgrade their rigs to play anything else. If they log on at all any more it's because they are bored in their free time and have nothing else to pass the time.
Like I said, not the best just the most popular.
Where do you get those numbers from, mmochart.com, mmocrunch.com and what's all the other sites than claim they got accurate numbers are called? They are all wrong. It's guesswork at best. Only the companies running those mmo's know the real numbers and they aint talking.
My guess as good as their to be honest. Where is the wildly popular Runescape in your little list? That game boasts a few million players according to themselfes. All those massivly online community games, allthough calling them games is a stretch, like habbo hotel and it's likes? They grab a few million players as well.
See, it's all guesswork and inaccurate at best. I'm not arguing that WoW got it's numbers as Blizzard release their numbers quarterly, but they are the exception in the crowd, not the rule. Usually a mmo developer/publisher only releases their numbers when their game is going uphill to create a little more hype about it. Look at WAR's lately breaking the 500,000 mark and boasting about it for an example of that.
People always take everything so literal, never looking at what is actually being said, just looking to see what can be scrutinized to later be able to say "OH OH HE SAID 1 MILLION WHEN THERE IS REALLY 5!! HAHAH IDIOT!"
Honestly anyone reading my post should have known what I was doing, I guessed on every sub number in that list based off various things around the net I have a good idea where games subs are. Here though I will address some issues that were brought up though.
1. Runescape blows, uninstall it and play The Legend of Zelda on the NES. Same graphics same gameplay, just added the ability to talk and BOOM! Runescape.... garbage.
2. Lineage 1 or Lineage 2 who gives a flying you know what. They both have alot of subs. Stick them together and they still don't dent wow.
3. SOmeone said FFXI has 500k players.... quit dreaming the game is a friggin ghost town. I have had to swap servers 3 times now just to find players to play with. 500k my ass, I was being generous giving it 300k.
Anyway, don't look at my post as a literal numbers, like im sitting here with all these companies sub numbers in my lap.
It is pretty common knowledge wow has a minimum of 10 million players. They say it is up around 14+ now but I wont go that far yet.
What I was saying is, you can take many many many many games on the market right now and combine them and you can't even tough wow's sub numbers.
This does define success. Like it or not.
Awesome, congratulations, job well done!
Oh wait, you didn't actually create WoW? You don't work for Blizzard? You don't have any stock in the company? You aren't in any way a part of the MMORPG industry.....so then why the fuck do you care about sub numbers? What does any of it matter to you or anyone else for that matter? Enjoy the game, and be content that you are.
Why do you guys all have to sit on your soapboxes day in and day out shouting about how WoW is the king, the best, the greatest, the champion, etc...? I mean really I could care less whether WoW had 100 millions subs or just 100. If you guys are having fun then that's awesome, but WoW's success in no way makes you a success for playing it. It's sad that you feel the need to justify your game by shouting numbers like this. I mean really, it's just a game.......
The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall.
haha thats a nice reason for playing wow (irony).
if i dont have the money or the time to play a mmorpg i just dont buy it. now the gaming industry reacting and producing games with odd graphics and a gameplay who maybe challenging a 5 year old. that is the "sucess"- key from wow: it is just simple. i dont want buying games like wow or warhammer etc.
As some famous people said before..
The more people hate you, the better you are doing.
I give up because people do not know how to read.
I thought the school system taught these types of things. Guess I was wrong.
I do not even play wow. I won't dispute the fact that wow is a good game. Noone in their right mind would call it a bad game. It is well oiled and polished in it's current state. I do not think it is the best either. Well it is in some areas but not all. Why do you think I play WAR over WoW.
I however am not naieve enough to sit here and debate on which game is the most popular out of all MMO's on the market. That is what it all boils down to at the end of any discussion or debate.
We could sit here for a week and debate back and forth on mechanics, graphics, pvp, whatever and none of it is going to matter. At the end of the week all it boils down to is which game is played more by the most people. That would be WoW.
I really do not understand what is so hard to get on this concept. Just because you and I do not believe wow is the best, doesn't make it so. We are outnumbered by the people who think it is.
Anyway, I could care less who plays wow. I have my game, I enjoy my game a lot. It isn't wow.
It is still a good game though.
If having the most people equals the best, then i guess you are correct. I played pretty much every MMO out there including WOW and while it has polish it lacks in so many other areas.
If my beloved SWG wouldn't have been gutted and dumbed down to WOW lvls, i would have never bought or would have played any other MMO. I would still be living in my Star Wars vitual world with the other 250k of people that was playing.
Best MMO of all time? Well that's more of personal opinion because I still think UO is by far the best and guess what that's my opinion. The sales of WoW puts it up there as most sold for a MMO but don't get that confused with be great for everyone because pvp lacks and the new changes are going to make it super casual friendly.
WoW is NOT the best mmo of all time. it may be the most successful but definately not the best.
Quoted for truth. I enjoyed WoW. It has certain aspects that make it "the best", but that doesn't make it the best.
Raquelis in various games
Played: Everything
Playing: Nioh 2, Civ6
Wants: The World
Anticipating: Everquest Next Crowfall, Pantheon, Elden Ring
OMG i am so sick of this argument hey you love WoW great go play it, i love WAR it has been great so far and yes i played WoW it was really great for a long time but after not expanion in 2 years that bull shit EQ2 has had an expansion regularly and i left that game for WoW. You saying hey WoW is the best isn't going to make people go omg he's right my eyes are open!
Gotta love the folks that started their first MMO experience with WOW.
WOW is the Mcdonalds of MMORPG's. We can all talk design and how brilliantly dungeons are done and how brilliant this and that is done but in the end WOW players cannot do the dungeons without mods. Sad but true.
Spoonfed playing is what I call it. Yes I played WOW in CB and then 3 years. I had a great time and love the world. Max level was something else. I would wager to say that most dungeons in WOW right now would not have been completed without mods. Brilliant design ? I think not.
Endless rep grind so you can do the same dungeon 100 times hoping to get the piece of loot is not a good game design. The game basically ended up being a huge time sink and you got your award.
I was on a PVP server. PVP 99.9% of the time is in the BG's. Although I can still remember all the skellies and fights at BRM and Kara.
What game designers really need to take from WOW is the immersive world. Absolutely agree. But other then that keep playing the game and enjoy your endless march in the same dungeon for the 100th time for that precious purple pixel.