Forget about the fact that this game is no where even remotely near the 40 million dollar products like WoW or War currently dominating the industry are, forget about the fact that based on all known info to date it looks like nothing more than a generic functioning combat system with dated graphics and poor animations
Funny that Darkfall has considerably better graphics than both WOW and War and both of those games are a success. Hard to see Darkfall also not succeeding given how many more features it has.
Anyone else think the OP is Catizone/Teedle/the persistent fail-troll that Tasos reported on all those years back? I thought he'd given up when he saw how good the video was, lol.
Originally posted by javac Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English, and are therefore hugely under-represented.
I hate to tell how wrong you are, but you're wrong.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
WHAT? Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English?? ROFLMAO Are you kidding me? Most other countries have a FAR superior educational system than the United States and they are, for the most part, REQUIRED to learn English as a second language, whereas our American educational system is SO dumbed down that kids aren't even required to take ONE LOUSY foreign language COURSE any more. Pathetic.
As far as the thread topic, however....it is my opinion that online gaming will become even MORE popular in the worst of economic times. Why? Because people can no longer afford the more expensive hobbies. Heck, even going out to dinner costs a virtual fortune any more, especially once you figure in gasoline. Staying home and being able to "play" something EVERY DAY, if you like, for HALF the price of one dinner out? I think there will be a HUGE surge in online gaming subscriptions. People still want entertainment. And while I hear a lot of pissing and moaning about the price of games....they are STILL, by far, about the cheapest form of entertainment if you figure hours of entertainment value per unit of currency.
Forget about the fact that this game is no where even remotely near the 40 million dollar products like WoW or War currently dominating the industry are, forget about the fact that based on all known info to date it looks like nothing more than a generic functioning combat system with dated graphics and poor animations, forget about the fact that it doesn't even have any solid dates for a Beta or a launch less than 3 months before the end of the year... and you still end up with the fact that it will be trying to succeed and make $ in one of the worste world economies ever... surely one of the worste ever in the United States where basically all of it's player based would come from. How many people are going to pay an EXTRA monthly subscription in todays economy to play a mediocre at best product like Darkfall with nothing but questionable features , support, community... when they can (and already are) pay to play War or WoW , Lich King which are all proven products with millions of players, quality support and no questions about their longevity or product stability? Darkfall is not a product waiting to launch.. it's a product waiting to fail.
Have you played it? WAR dominating the industry? Pay to play WoW? Well.... I'll just say this, you are posting about Darkfall instead of playing WoW or WAR the games you praise so why is that? I know why because you need some attention so here is you cookie and continue waiting on Darkfall.... OK?
Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English, and are therefore hugely under-represented.
I hate to tell how wrong you are, but you're wrong.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
You know that when you call for your Samsung support the call is redirected to an indian employee IN INDIA, right? I guess someone missed the two last decades of technology.
Ultima Online 98~04 Dark Age of Camelot 03~07 Final Fantasy XI 04~06 Guild Wars 05~08 World of Warcraft 04~05 Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
I think you are off-target on the phrase I high-lighted above. I'd expect at least as many European players as those from the U.S. It wouldn't surprise me if the European player-base for this game was much larger than the U.S.
From Alexa:
Darkfallonline.com users come from these countries:
United States 53.6%
Canada 8.5%
United Kingdom 4.6%
Germany 4.6%
Australia 4.2%
This product (if it expects to succeed) will have to compete and prevail or at least hold it's own in the United States against games like WoW and War and all others.
Whats the other 24.5% of people? aliens? who knows!? 53.6+8.5+4.6+4.6+4.2 doesn't = 100%
But seriously economic climate doesn't really mean much to a specific online game, generally I'd expect a slight decrease in the number of subscribers, but a good percent of people that do subscribe to mmorpgs aren't going to be directly effected by the economic climate as they aren't usually working but off ill indefinalty, I know that a lot of subs will come from people that do work but I'd be suprised if the number of workers is greater than non workers in regards to subscribers. Personally I wouldn't say its the the worst the economic climate has ever been, as there isn't mass job loss and mass depression but maybe I look into the clouds to much, just wish americas economy couldn't effect englands but for some reason it effects the world...
This is just reaching...first it assumes much, like DF will suck..
But video games are a booming industry, it is the most effificent form of entertainment therefor it is being turned to by more each day as something to do in a down economy. $15= a month of entertainment
After that its basicly a choice of what to play, but the slowing of the economy is helping video game sales if anything
There is also a good chance that DFO will only be $10 a month, rather then $15. The devs have talked about competitive pricing and the like. This would make the game even MORE popular during this 'crisis". Better features, More freedom, Better graphics, AND cheaper monthly payments? Id say we have nothing to worry about.
Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English, and are therefore hugely under-represented.
I hate to tell how wrong you are, but you're wrong.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
I agree with you. The ability to speak english in Europe varies alot depending on the country you visit.
Sweden is for example a country that is very good at speaking english.
People from Germany and France isnt as good at speaking english if you compare with the Swedes, as i see it.
I think you are off-target on the phrase I high-lighted above. I'd expect at least as many European players as those from the U.S. It wouldn't surprise me if the European player-base for this game was much larger than the U.S.
From Alexa:
Darkfallonline.com users come from these countries:
United States 53.6%
Canada 8.5%
United Kingdom 4.6%
Germany 4.6%
Australia 4.2%
This product (if it expects to succeed) will have to compete and prevail or at least hold it's own in the United States against games like WoW and War and all others.
Whats the other 24.5% of people? aliens? who knows!? 53.6+8.5+4.6+4.6+4.2 doesn't = 100%
But seriously economic climate doesn't really mean much to a specific online game, generally I'd expect a slight decrease in the number of subscribers, but a good percent of people that do subscribe to mmorpgs aren't going to be directly effected by the economic climate as they aren't usually working but off ill indefinalty, I know that a lot of subs will come from people that do work but I'd be suprised if the number of workers is greater than non workers in regards to subscribers. Personally I wouldn't say its the the worst the economic climate has ever been, as there isn't mass job loss and mass depression but maybe I look into the clouds to much, just wish americas economy couldn't effect englands but for some reason it effects the world...
Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English, and are therefore hugely under-represented.
I hate to tell how wrong you are, but you're wrong.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
I agree with you. The ability to speak english in europe varies alot depending on the country.
Swedes is for example very good at english.
People from Germany and France isnt good at english though as i see it.
This is getting more and more ridiculous.
First, there's a not too small English-speaking country in Europe. It's called the UK.
Second, if you think that you can generalize the ability of Europeans to speak english as you all are doing, it's just plain ignorant. Of course the degree of fluency varies, but to think that this means that Germans, French, Italians and who-else do not register on an international site to follow news of a game is just plain silly.
And while I'm no expert on it, I'm pretty sure the same goes for Asia.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with the OP, who is making a rather far-fetched and more or less baseless claim. But to go on about Europeans being generally unable to speak/read English is a) silly, b) wrong.
To the Europeans on this forum that were offended by J's comment, I do not see any reason to crucify him for not knowning a bit of culture. I have been to England, Scotland, France, Germany, etc basically all over Europe so I would tend to understand a bit more about the community there speaking wise than others. Obviously he was mistaken which he should have admitted but I think we should just let that comment fall to the side for now. The point the Original Poster is trying to make is laughable at best! The economy as horrible of a state as it is will not affect the game as much as you think. For example look at the Wii I still have yet to see any of them in stores at Walmart, Target, Circuit City, or any other store. So if there are still people out there with 300 bucks to spend on a console( I am counting one game as well I mean who gets a console without at least one game) then I am sure people still have some money, enough to purchase something they "Think" they need.
_____________________________ At the turn of the century... In 2008... Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English, and are therefore hugely under-represented.
I hate to tell how wrong you are, but you're wrong.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
I agree with you. The ability to speak english in europe varies alot depending on the country.
Swedes is for example very good at english.
People from Germany and France isnt good at english though as i see it.
This is getting more and more ridiculous.
First, there's a not too small English-speaking country in Europe. It's called the UK.
Second, if you think that you can generalize the ability of Europeans to speak english as you all are doing, it's just plain ignorant. Of course the degree of fluency varies, but to think that this means that Germans, French, Italians and who-else do not register on an international site to follow news of a game is just plain silly.
And while I'm no expert on it, I'm pretty sure the same goes for Asia.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with the OP, who is making a rather far-fetched and more or less baseless claim. But to go on about Europeans being generally unable to speak/read English is a) silly, b) wrong.
Yes of course you can generalize the ability to speak english in different countries of Europe. Some countries have a population as a whole that speak english better then others.
Some that dont learn the english language in school as other countries in Europe do, will of course have a population of people that isnt as well in english as for example Sweden that start learning english as their second language at the age of 8.
Im sure many can pick up english through other channels then school, by internet, TV or games but the general population need a school system that favour learning the language english.
Been to France and Germany alot and the common knowledge of the language english is very, very poor if you compare it with the average Swede.
That doesnt mean French or German people cant read and communicate in english though.
Wow, another fortune teller. What a suprise! You're trully unique, sir.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Originally posted by TenSpotting generic functioning combat system with dated graphics and poor animations
Yeah, it's so lame. Every game since 2004 has combat like that and people think it's something new in MMOs. Pfft, deluded fanbois.
GET UR HEADS OUT OF UR ASSES AND SMELL REAILITY LOL
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Yes of course you can generalize the ability to speak english in different countries of Europe. Some countries have a population as a whole that speak english better then others. Some that dont learn the english language in school as other countries in Europe do, will of course have a population of people that isnt as well in english as for example Sweden that start learning english as their second language at the age of 8. Im sure many can pick up english through other channels then school, by internet, TV or games but the general population need a school system that favour learning the language english. Been to France and Germany alot and the common knowledge of the language english is very, very poor if you compare it with the average Swede. That doesnt mean French or German people cant read and communicate in english though.
Let me rephrase that then so you catch my drift.
Just because you have experiences which indicate a certain generalized level of competence in a language, do you think that qualifies as evidence that people from Europe do not participate on an international website, just because it is written in english?
The point someone earlier was making, was that the lack of english skills in Europe leads to the majority of people not being registered on the DF site. That's a baseless claim, firstly, because even with "poor" english speaking skills, you can be skilled enough to read up on things in english (hooray dictonaries) and second, because there's a lot more people who have enough english literacy to follow a game and participate in discussions in Europe than you people seem to give them credit for.
I live in Germany and am constantly apalled at the level of (or lack of really) English skills of people around me. But that doesn't mean they cannot follow a simple website with developer updates if they are interested in a game and I expect the same goes for any other country in Europe. Nevermind, as I said earlier, the UK. It'd be a bit silly to leave out the UK completely, don't you think?
Nevertheless, this debate is rather pointless, since the OP is obviously just a Troll trying to make some silly predictions based on some numbers which are not even certifiable. There's no need to go trying to pinpoint this reasoning on skills in a language or whatnot. The claim (of the OP) in its entireity is rather silly.
Yes of course you can generalize the ability to speak english in different countries of Europe. Some countries have a population as a whole that speak english better then others. Some that dont learn the english language in school as other countries in Europe do, will of course have a population of people that isnt as well in english as for example Sweden that start learning english as their second language at the age of 8. Im sure many can pick up english through other channels then school, by internet, TV or games but the general population need a school system that favour learning the language english. Been to France and Germany alot and the common knowledge of the language english is very, very poor if you compare it with the average Swede. That doesnt mean French or German people cant read and communicate in english though.
Let me rephrase that then so you catch my drift.
Just because you have experiences which indicate a certain generalized level of competence in a language, do you think that qualifies as evidence that people from Europe do not participate on an international website, just because it is written in english?
The point someone earlier was making, was that the lack of english skills in Europe leads to the majority of people not being registered on the DF site. That's a baseless claim, firstly, because even with "poor" english speaking skills, you can be skilled enough to read up on things in english (hooray dictonaries) and second, because there's a lot more people who have enough english literacy to follow a game and participate in discussions in Europe than you people seem to give them credit for.
I live in Germany and am constantly apalled at the level of (or lack of really) English skills of people around me. But that doesn't mean they cannot follow a simple website with developer updates if they are interested in a game and I expect the same goes for any other country in Europe. Nevermind, as I said earlier, the UK. It'd be a bit silly to leave out the UK completely, don't you think?
Nevertheless, this debate is rather pointless, since the OP is obviously just a Troll trying to make some silly predictions based on some numbers which are not even certifiable. There's no need to go trying to pinpoint this reasoning on skills in a language or whatnot. The claim (of the OP) in its entireity is rather silly.
Originally posted by girlgeek WHAT? Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English?? ROFLMAO Are you kidding me? Most other countries have a FAR superior educational system than the United States and they are, for the most part, REQUIRED to learn English as a second language, whereas our American educational system is SO dumbed down that kids aren't even required to take ONE LOUSY foreign language COURSE any more. Pathetic. As far as the thread topic, however....it is my opinion that online gaming will become even MORE popular in the worst of economic times. Why? Because people can no longer afford the more expensive hobbies. Heck, even going out to dinner costs a virtual fortune any more, especially once you figure in gasoline. Staying home and being able to "play" something EVERY DAY, if you like, for HALF the price of one dinner out? I think there will be a HUGE surge in online gaming subscriptions. People still want entertainment. And while I hear a lot of pissing and moaning about the price of games....they are STILL, by far, about the cheapest form of entertainment if you figure hours of entertainment value per unit of currency.
I gotta QFT this, $15/mo is cheaper than $15 a night for dinner, movie, drinks, etc. etc. etc. I've personally cut down on doing activities myself and I mostly do mountain cycling, hiking, skating and such when I'm not playing a video game, and I don't smoke nor drink nor drive so gas, cigs and alcohol isn't a factor but for a majority of population they are.
Oh and ditto on the Swedes, they're the best at speaking english, my business partner was Swedish and every single one of his family members speaks very good english, they taught me a little Swedish too.
Forget about the fact that this game is no where even remotely near the 40 million dollar products like WoW or War currently dominating the industry are, forget about the fact that based on all known info to date it looks like nothing more than a generic functioning combat system with dated graphics and poor animations, forget about the fact that it doesn't even have any solid dates for a Beta or a launch less than 3 months before the end of the year... and you still end up with the fact that it will be trying to succeed and make $ in one of the worste world economies ever... surely one of the worste ever in the United States where basically all of it's player based would come from. How many people are going to pay an EXTRA monthly subscription in todays economy to play a mediocre at best product like Darkfall with nothing but questionable features , support, community... when they can (and already are) pay to play War or WoW , Lich King which are all proven products with millions of players, quality support and no questions about their longevity or product stability? Darkfall is not a product waiting to launch.. it's a product waiting to fail.
Again you fail at trying to bash DarkFall. You have yet to bring up anything note worthy to back up one of your assumptions. Aparently your sole factor in believing the game will fail is because 1) you don't like it and 2) you didn't develop it . I am sorry to point this out TenSpotting but your in the minority on these forums. All MMO's are going to face the same problem getting American subscribers. I guess you didn't realise other MMO's charged a monthly fee.....
As far as Extra monthly subscription, well considering the fact that to me there isn't anything out worth paying to play right now it won't be an extra subscription. I mean honestly besides seeing how many people you can upset with your limited knowledge of DarkFall or the industry itself what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
It the game was as bad as you seem to think and constantly try to say guess what.... There wouldn't be a need for you to be here and constantly try and convience people of that. The fact that you are here with your mission to make DarkFall out to be on some Fail-line express bus show's that it in fact has some merit and has potential to be a decent MMO with a decent player base at the least. Honestly if it didn't you wouldn't be here TenSpotting and you wouldn't be in the minority as you are now.
Comments trolls are the bane of most sites; where as the vast majority of people may never comment on a post those that do usually fall into one of three categories.
Legitimate commenters, who have something thoughtful to say and/ or add to the conversation (for and against), link spammers who comment on the off chance they might get some traffic as a consequence of their comment (sometimes these fall into the first category..hard to tell) and trolls, who make it their business to criticize anything written and the people who wrote it, in some sort of sad attempt at self validation by being nasty towards others for the sake of it. Like taking drugs, trolling is a poor mistress that demands more and more to feed the self satisfying addiction that props up their self esteem.
Social psychologists have known for decades that, if we reduce our sense of our own identity – a process called deindividuation – we are less likely to stick to social norms…the same thing happens with online communication such as email. Psychologically, we are “distant” from the person we’re talking to and less focused on our own identity. As a result we’re more prone to aggressive behavior.
______________________________ The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess. And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic' and send them to the Special Olympus.
Forget about the fact that this game is no where even remotely near the 40 million dollar products like WoW or War currently dominating the industry are, forget about the fact that based on all known info to date it looks like nothing more than a generic functioning combat system with dated graphics and poor animations, forget about the fact that it doesn't even have any solid dates for a Beta or a launch less than 3 months before the end of the year... and you still end up with the fact that it will be trying to succeed and make $ in one of the worste world economies ever... surely one of the worste ever in the United States where basically all of it's player based would come from. How many people are going to pay an EXTRA monthly subscription in todays economy to play a mediocre at best product like Darkfall with nothing but questionable features , support, community... when they can (and already are) pay to play War or WoW , Lich King which are all proven products with millions of players, quality support and no questions about their longevity or product stability? Darkfall is not a product waiting to launch.. it's a product waiting to fail.
You look a bit of a patroniser to me, and mis-informed too.
First of all, Americans don't have the monopoly of Internet and Online games, so there won't be just Americans who will play this game (where the hell did u get the assumption that just Americans will play it?)
Secondly, who is going to buy DFO is generally an adult with a good job, not the usual kid who buys WoW and WAR.
This game is not kid friendly, trust me.
So if there is any kind of game that gonna suffer a backlash due to worldwide recessions are casual games like WoW and similar, not certainly Sandboxes (dads might not pay their kids subscriptions, but sure as hell they gonna pay theirs.....)
Also if there is something that happens during an economic downturn is that people tend to stay more indoor and watch TV and play Games, instead of going out, and spending ridiculous amount of money eating out or drinking.
So generally games won't be affected.
Myself at the moment I am playing WoW, I don't love it, but its well made and it s kinda fun, most of all is the best one out there (due to lack of competition mainly), but if a good Sandbox like DFO comes out, I won't hesitate to move straight away to the sandbox game.
And I tell you something else, I am not rich but if I can play a good sandbox same level of UO or SWG pre-CU I am willing to pay not 15$ but 40$ a month, and I mean it.
"Right now we allow only letters of the English alphabet, the underscore, and limited use of numbers."
It is doubtfull there will be an asian invasion of the likes seen on Shadowbane zerg servers. So, I don't think they are looking at asia as a big source of revenue right now. Not that that couldn't change...
Still, the OP makes terrible points. None of his logic follows. The game is likely to be one of the most successful MMORPGs in some time considering its lack of marketing funds and its obsession with putting everything into development instead.
I have to disagree with the OP. I think the game (provided they at least almost deliver on the feature list) will do quite well with a certain crowd of people. This is really all I think Adventurine is looking for. I have never gotten the feeling from them that they are seeking WoW like subscription numbers.
Now, I probably won't be one of their subscribers. Sorry, but the graphics and animations are a deal breaker for me. It looks like Morrowwind to me.
dont go by the vids they suffer from fraps degration and compression degration
Forget about the fact that this game is no where even remotely near the 40 million dollar products like WoW or War currently dominating the industry are, forget about the fact that based on all known info to date it looks like nothing more than a generic functioning combat system with dated graphics and poor animations
Funny that Darkfall has considerably better graphics than both WOW and War and both of those games are a success. Hard to see Darkfall also not succeeding given how many more features it has.
Anyone else think the OP is Catizone/Teedle/the persistent fail-troll that Tasos reported on all those years back? I thought he'd given up when he saw how good the video was, lol.
Comments
Funny that Darkfall has considerably better graphics than both WOW and War and both of those games are a success. Hard to see Darkfall also not succeeding given how many more features it has.
Anyone else think the OP is Catizone/Teedle/the persistent fail-troll that Tasos reported on all those years back? I thought he'd given up when he saw how good the video was, lol.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
WHAT? Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English?? ROFLMAO Are you kidding me? Most other countries have a FAR superior educational system than the United States and they are, for the most part, REQUIRED to learn English as a second language, whereas our American educational system is SO dumbed down that kids aren't even required to take ONE LOUSY foreign language COURSE any more. Pathetic.
As far as the thread topic, however....it is my opinion that online gaming will become even MORE popular in the worst of economic times. Why? Because people can no longer afford the more expensive hobbies. Heck, even going out to dinner costs a virtual fortune any more, especially once you figure in gasoline. Staying home and being able to "play" something EVERY DAY, if you like, for HALF the price of one dinner out? I think there will be a HUGE surge in online gaming subscriptions. People still want entertainment. And while I hear a lot of pissing and moaning about the price of games....they are STILL, by far, about the cheapest form of entertainment if you figure hours of entertainment value per unit of currency.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Have you played it? WAR dominating the industry? Pay to play WoW? Well.... I'll just say this, you are posting about Darkfall instead of playing WoW or WAR the games you praise so why is that? I know why because you need some attention so here is you cookie and continue waiting on Darkfall.... OK?
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
You know that when you call for your Samsung support the call is redirected to an indian employee IN INDIA, right? I guess someone missed the two last decades of technology.
Ultima Online 98~04
Dark Age of Camelot 03~07
Final Fantasy XI 04~06
Guild Wars 05~08
World of Warcraft 04~05
Unsuccessful Tries: DFO/EQ2/DRaja/Rag/Req/RYL/9D/Cabal/KO/PSU/RF/GE/TO/TR/DDO/EVE/LoTRO/L2/RZ/SWG/VG
From Alexa:
Darkfallonline.com users come from these countries:
United States 53.6%
Canada 8.5%
United Kingdom 4.6%
Germany 4.6%
Australia 4.2%
This product (if it expects to succeed) will have to compete and prevail or at least hold it's own in the United States against games like WoW and War and all others.
Whats the other 24.5% of people? aliens? who knows!? 53.6+8.5+4.6+4.6+4.2 doesn't = 100%
But seriously economic climate doesn't really mean much to a specific online game, generally I'd expect a slight decrease in the number of subscribers, but a good percent of people that do subscribe to mmorpgs aren't going to be directly effected by the economic climate as they aren't usually working but off ill indefinalty, I know that a lot of subs will come from people that do work but I'd be suprised if the number of workers is greater than non workers in regards to subscribers. Personally I wouldn't say its the the worst the economic climate has ever been, as there isn't mass job loss and mass depression but maybe I look into the clouds to much, just wish americas economy couldn't effect englands but for some reason it effects the world...
This is just reaching...first it assumes much, like DF will suck..
But video games are a booming industry, it is the most effificent form of entertainment therefor it is being turned to by more each day as something to do in a down economy. $15= a month of entertainment
After that its basicly a choice of what to play, but the slowing of the economy is helping video game sales if anything
Remember Old School Ultima Online
There is also a good chance that DFO will only be $10 a month, rather then $15. The devs have talked about competitive pricing and the like. This would make the game even MORE popular during this 'crisis". Better features, More freedom, Better graphics, AND cheaper monthly payments? Id say we have nothing to worry about.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
I agree with you. The ability to speak english in Europe varies alot depending on the country you visit.
Sweden is for example a country that is very good at speaking english.
People from Germany and France isnt as good at speaking english if you compare with the Swedes, as i see it.
This is something i learned by travelling alot.
From Alexa:
Darkfallonline.com users come from these countries:
United States 53.6%
Canada 8.5%
United Kingdom 4.6%
Germany 4.6%
Australia 4.2%
This product (if it expects to succeed) will have to compete and prevail or at least hold it's own in the United States against games like WoW and War and all others.
Whats the other 24.5% of people? aliens? who knows!? 53.6+8.5+4.6+4.6+4.2 doesn't = 100%
But seriously economic climate doesn't really mean much to a specific online game, generally I'd expect a slight decrease in the number of subscribers, but a good percent of people that do subscribe to mmorpgs aren't going to be directly effected by the economic climate as they aren't usually working but off ill indefinalty, I know that a lot of subs will come from people that do work but I'd be suprised if the number of workers is greater than non workers in regards to subscribers. Personally I wouldn't say its the the worst the economic climate has ever been, as there isn't mass job loss and mass depression but maybe I look into the clouds to much, just wish americas economy couldn't effect englands but for some reason it effects the world...
Last poll i saw was about 50% europeans.
The number's from the OP isnt accurate at all.
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
I agree with you. The ability to speak english in europe varies alot depending on the country.
Swedes is for example very good at english.
People from Germany and France isnt good at english though as i see it.
This is getting more and more ridiculous.
First, there's a not too small English-speaking country in Europe. It's called the UK.
Second, if you think that you can generalize the ability of Europeans to speak english as you all are doing, it's just plain ignorant. Of course the degree of fluency varies, but to think that this means that Germans, French, Italians and who-else do not register on an international site to follow news of a game is just plain silly.
And while I'm no expert on it, I'm pretty sure the same goes for Asia.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with the OP, who is making a rather far-fetched and more or less baseless claim. But to go on about Europeans being generally unable to speak/read English is a) silly, b) wrong.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
To the Europeans on this forum that were offended by J's comment, I do not see any reason to crucify him for not knowning a bit of culture. I have been to England, Scotland, France, Germany, etc basically all over Europe so I would tend to understand a bit more about the community there speaking wise than others. Obviously he was mistaken which he should have admitted but I think we should just let that comment fall to the side for now. The point the Original Poster is trying to make is laughable at best! The economy as horrible of a state as it is will not affect the game as much as you think. For example look at the Wii I still have yet to see any of them in stores at Walmart, Target, Circuit City, or any other store. So if there are still people out there with 300 bucks to spend on a console( I am counting one game as well I mean who gets a console without at least one game) then I am sure people still have some money, enough to purchase something they "Think" they need.
_____________________________
At the turn of the century...
In 2008...
Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
This is his story....
Go to Germany, Malaysia, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, hell even Tunisia and people will understand and speak english. I know because I traveled to half those countries.
I *live* in Europe, I travel to Germany about 4 times a year for work and take about 4 holidays a year on top of that around Europe. I know what the status is.
Point is, numbers from an English-only forum site are hardly representative. There are tons more people living in both Europe and Asia, compared to the US. Given the total asses the US have made of themselves over the past decade (which may continue *cough* sarah palin...), i won't feel too upset if the US misses out on their own Darkfall server...
I agree with you. The ability to speak english in europe varies alot depending on the country.
Swedes is for example very good at english.
People from Germany and France isnt good at english though as i see it.
This is getting more and more ridiculous.
First, there's a not too small English-speaking country in Europe. It's called the UK.
Second, if you think that you can generalize the ability of Europeans to speak english as you all are doing, it's just plain ignorant. Of course the degree of fluency varies, but to think that this means that Germans, French, Italians and who-else do not register on an international site to follow news of a game is just plain silly.
And while I'm no expert on it, I'm pretty sure the same goes for Asia.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with the OP, who is making a rather far-fetched and more or less baseless claim. But to go on about Europeans being generally unable to speak/read English is a) silly, b) wrong.
Yes of course you can generalize the ability to speak english in different countries of Europe. Some countries have a population as a whole that speak english better then others.
Some that dont learn the english language in school as other countries in Europe do, will of course have a population of people that isnt as well in english as for example Sweden that start learning english as their second language at the age of 8.
Im sure many can pick up english through other channels then school, by internet, TV or games but the general population need a school system that favour learning the language english.
Been to France and Germany alot and the common knowledge of the language english is very, very poor if you compare it with the average Swede.
That doesnt mean French or German people cant read and communicate in english though.
Wow, another fortune teller. What a suprise! You're trully unique, sir.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Yeah, it's so lame. Every game since 2004 has combat like that and people think it's something new in MMOs. Pfft, deluded fanbois.
GET UR HEADS OUT OF UR ASSES AND SMELL REAILITY LOL
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Let me rephrase that then so you catch my drift.
Just because you have experiences which indicate a certain generalized level of competence in a language, do you think that qualifies as evidence that people from Europe do not participate on an international website, just because it is written in english?
The point someone earlier was making, was that the lack of english skills in Europe leads to the majority of people not being registered on the DF site. That's a baseless claim, firstly, because even with "poor" english speaking skills, you can be skilled enough to read up on things in english (hooray dictonaries) and second, because there's a lot more people who have enough english literacy to follow a game and participate in discussions in Europe than you people seem to give them credit for.
I live in Germany and am constantly apalled at the level of (or lack of really) English skills of people around me. But that doesn't mean they cannot follow a simple website with developer updates if they are interested in a game and I expect the same goes for any other country in Europe. Nevermind, as I said earlier, the UK. It'd be a bit silly to leave out the UK completely, don't you think?
Nevertheless, this debate is rather pointless, since the OP is obviously just a Troll trying to make some silly predictions based on some numbers which are not even certifiable. There's no need to go trying to pinpoint this reasoning on skills in a language or whatnot. The claim (of the OP) in its entireity is rather silly.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Let me rephrase that then so you catch my drift.
Just because you have experiences which indicate a certain generalized level of competence in a language, do you think that qualifies as evidence that people from Europe do not participate on an international website, just because it is written in english?
The point someone earlier was making, was that the lack of english skills in Europe leads to the majority of people not being registered on the DF site. That's a baseless claim, firstly, because even with "poor" english speaking skills, you can be skilled enough to read up on things in english (hooray dictonaries) and second, because there's a lot more people who have enough english literacy to follow a game and participate in discussions in Europe than you people seem to give them credit for.
I live in Germany and am constantly apalled at the level of (or lack of really) English skills of people around me. But that doesn't mean they cannot follow a simple website with developer updates if they are interested in a game and I expect the same goes for any other country in Europe. Nevermind, as I said earlier, the UK. It'd be a bit silly to leave out the UK completely, don't you think?
Nevertheless, this debate is rather pointless, since the OP is obviously just a Troll trying to make some silly predictions based on some numbers which are not even certifiable. There's no need to go trying to pinpoint this reasoning on skills in a language or whatnot. The claim (of the OP) in its entireity is rather silly.
Aye, agree with everything above.
Seems we walked abit arround each other there.
Oh and ditto on the Swedes, they're the best at speaking english, my business partner was Swedish and every single one of his family members speaks very good english, they taught me a little Swedish too.
Again you fail at trying to bash DarkFall. You have yet to bring up anything note worthy to back up one of your assumptions. Aparently your sole factor in believing the game will fail is because 1) you don't like it and 2) you didn't develop it . I am sorry to point this out TenSpotting but your in the minority on these forums. All MMO's are going to face the same problem getting American subscribers. I guess you didn't realise other MMO's charged a monthly fee.....
As far as Extra monthly subscription, well considering the fact that to me there isn't anything out worth paying to play right now it won't be an extra subscription. I mean honestly besides seeing how many people you can upset with your limited knowledge of DarkFall or the industry itself what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
It the game was as bad as you seem to think and constantly try to say guess what.... There wouldn't be a need for you to be here and constantly try and convience people of that. The fact that you are here with your mission to make DarkFall out to be on some Fail-line express bus show's that it in fact has some merit and has potential to be a decent MMO with a decent player base at the least. Honestly if it didn't you wouldn't be here TenSpotting and you wouldn't be in the minority as you are now.
Comments trolls are the bane of most sites; where as the vast majority of people may never comment on a post those that do usually fall into one of three categories.
Legitimate commenters, who have something thoughtful to say and/ or add to the conversation (for and against), link spammers who comment on the off chance they might get some traffic as a consequence of their comment (sometimes these fall into the first category..hard to tell) and trolls, who make it their business to criticize anything written and the people who wrote it, in some sort of sad attempt at self validation by being nasty towards others for the sake of it. Like taking drugs, trolling is a poor mistress that demands more and more to feed the self satisfying addiction that props up their self esteem.
Social psychologists have known for decades that, if we reduce our sense of our own identity – a process called deindividuation – we are less likely to stick to social norms…the same thing happens with online communication such as email. Psychologically, we are “distant” from the person we’re talking to and less focused on our own identity. As a result we’re more prone to aggressive behavior.
______________________________
The Sceptics, yes they're special but we've need them to.. I guess.
And if they're put more effort MMORPG.com can create a 'Team Sceptic'
and send them to the Special Olympus.
You look a bit of a patroniser to me, and mis-informed too.
First of all, Americans don't have the monopoly of Internet and Online games, so there won't be just Americans who will play this game (where the hell did u get the assumption that just Americans will play it?)
Secondly, who is going to buy DFO is generally an adult with a good job, not the usual kid who buys WoW and WAR.
This game is not kid friendly, trust me.
So if there is any kind of game that gonna suffer a backlash due to worldwide recessions are casual games like WoW and similar, not certainly Sandboxes (dads might not pay their kids subscriptions, but sure as hell they gonna pay theirs.....)
Also if there is something that happens during an economic downturn is that people tend to stay more indoor and watch TV and play Games, instead of going out, and spending ridiculous amount of money eating out or drinking.
So generally games won't be affected.
Myself at the moment I am playing WoW, I don't love it, but its well made and it s kinda fun, most of all is the best one out there (due to lack of competition mainly), but if a good Sandbox like DFO comes out, I won't hesitate to move straight away to the sandbox game.
And I tell you something else, I am not rich but if I can play a good sandbox same level of UO or SWG pre-CU I am willing to pay not 15$ but 40$ a month, and I mean it.
So fuck the recession.......
From Darkfall Dev journal #26:
"Right now we allow only letters of the English alphabet, the underscore, and limited use of numbers."
It is doubtfull there will be an asian invasion of the likes seen on Shadowbane zerg servers. So, I don't think they are looking at asia as a big source of revenue right now. Not that that couldn't change...
Still, the OP makes terrible points. None of his logic follows. The game is likely to be one of the most successful MMORPGs in some time considering its lack of marketing funds and its obsession with putting everything into development instead.
dont go by the vids they suffer from fraps degration and compression degration
Funny that Darkfall has considerably better graphics than both WOW and War and both of those games are a success. Hard to see Darkfall also not succeeding given how many more features it has.
Anyone else think the OP is Catizone/Teedle/the persistent fail-troll that Tasos reported on all those years back? I thought he'd given up when he saw how good the video was, lol.
People said the same thing about Vanguard. Kekeke