The Archmage is not a PURE healer he shouldn't have all the super baubles etc. He's in line with his Warhammer lore as an offensive healer. He's a Caster / Healer not to mention you've yet to specify what level you are. It sounds like nothing but a bunch of QQing from someone who thinks at lvl 10 you should have all the skill in the game. If your not over lvl 15 there's no reason to whine for more options your not supposed to have all the options. To be honest Archmages piss me off they're rather hard to kill and a good one makes it rather hard to kill the target your on. Sounds like your one of those QQ gimme everything right now players.....sorry this game isn't for you move on or try a different healer. Or better yet reach lvl 20, train in mastery and shut the hell up. Warhammer has lots of options spread out over 3 races, each healer plays differently. The rune priest is the pure healer, the archmage is the 'caster healer' and the warrior priest is the battle healer...(damn WPs!!).
This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.
If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.
Look some people in the game cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.
Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.
I believe the OP is trying to make a point, of the lack of options as a Healer. If you want to see what a good combat healer can be like. Try EQ2's Fury class. Group buffs, AOE Heal, AOE Hot, Quick HoT's, Slow HoTs. Plus some nice damage oriented stuff, and the ability to actually melee if need be. Warhammers healers are just lacking in that respect. Not much in the way of buffs, not much in the way of healing. So you're basically get bored using the same 2 or 3 things over and over. Yes, they heal well, but they are just too linear in their execution.
Thank goodness someone that see's what I'm trying to get at here ..
Actually I think Roin misses the point by the furthest possible margin.
Point to a PvE games healer class as an example of what a "good combat healer" as if it relates to a game that is designed for PvP isn't a very solid comparison. EQ2 has zero balance for PvP, because PvP was tacked on as an afterthought and is pretty much a miserable failure of a system. Healers in Warhammer are not supposed to be healbots.
Honestly there isn't much AE damage in Warhammer that is worth getting concerned about and needs to be countered by AE heals. There isn't a huge need for AE heals and quit frankly healing is perhaps the most powerful tool on the battlefield right now. On my warrior priest I can mitigate the damage of any single class attacking me AND heal some of my team mates at the same time. I've seen every destruction healer nullify my shadow warriors damage and still toss out some heals to the team.
I don't really see much need for area heals to be honest. Focus fire and burst damage is what kills people and direct heals/mitigation are the best counter to that.
Also Runpriests are the healers that specialize in group buffs if I recall right.
The Archmage is not a PURE healer he shouldn't have all the super baubles etc. He's in line with his Warhammer lore as an offensive healer. He's a Caster / Healer not to mention you've yet to specify what level you are. It sounds like nothing but a bunch of QQing from someone who thinks at lvl 10 you should have all the skill in the game. If your not over lvl 15 there's no reason to whine for more options your not supposed to have all the options. To be honest Archmages piss me off they're rather hard to kill and a good one makes it rather hard to kill the target your on. Sounds like your one of those QQ gimme everything right now players.....sorry this game isn't for you move on or try a different healer. Or better yet reach lvl 20, train in mastery and shut the hell up. Warhammer has lots of options spread out over 3 races, each healer plays differently. The rune priest is the pure healer, the archmage is the 'caster healer' and the warrior priest is the battle healer...(damn WPs!!).
This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.
If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.
Look some people in the game cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.
Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.
Indeed,I had 1 BW that died twice in 1 min that whinned about healing,I quickly reminded him that he isnt a tank and if he acts like 1 he wont get any heals,Is all about proritising your healing,basically I am healing the tanks any healers(including myself) that needs it then the dps guys,melee dps 1st then ranged,If I see a bw like I said trying to nuke everything by himself or tank I aint going to waste my AP on him.
By the way that BW ended up dieing over 10 times as me and the other RP decided not to heal him as a.he wasnt worth the effort and b.teach ppl not to whine about the heals :P
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
The Archmage is not a PURE healer he shouldn't have all the super baubles etc. He's in line with his Warhammer lore as an offensive healer. He's a Caster / Healer not to mention you've yet to specify what level you are. It sounds like nothing but a bunch of QQing from someone who thinks at lvl 10 you should have all the skill in the game. If your not over lvl 15 there's no reason to whine for more options your not supposed to have all the options. To be honest Archmages piss me off they're rather hard to kill and a good one makes it rather hard to kill the target your on. Sounds like your one of those QQ gimme everything right now players.....sorry this game isn't for you move on or try a different healer. Or better yet reach lvl 20, train in mastery and shut the hell up. Warhammer has lots of options spread out over 3 races, each healer plays differently. The rune priest is the pure healer, the archmage is the 'caster healer' and the warrior priest is the battle healer...(damn WPs!!).
This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.
If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.
Look some people in the game cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.
Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.
Indeed,I had 1 BW that died twice in 1 min that whinned about healing,I quickly reminded him that he isnt a tank and if he acts like 1 he wont get any heals,Is all about proritising your healing,basically I am healing the tanks any healers(including myself) that needs it then the dps guys,melee dps 1st then ranged,If I see a bw like I said trying to nuke everything by himself or tank I aint going to waste my AP on him.
By the way that BW ended up dieing over 10 times as me and the other RP decided not to heal him as a.he wasnt worth the effort and b.teach ppl not to whine about the heals :P
Part of it boils down to personal resposibility. By the time you're in T2 you'll see BW running into groups of enemies, you'll see a tank run too far in hopes of knocking down the relic holder, or maybe even someone knockback someone about to die or holding the relic into a group of healers.
Just because you have an ability doesn't mean you have to use it immediately or in the situation you find yourself. When people start to play a bit more intelligently and within the means of their class all the other classes and their utility starts to shine. People are focusing way more on abilities than the classes utility.
You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game . Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering ..... so something is wrong with it simple as that.
You compare the Archmage to the Minstrel in LOTROL, are you pvp healing there or pve? As there is a massive difference as you should well know.
Second off you are complaining that you dont have all the heal types you want as an Archmage.
The Archmage class was there before you decided to play it, you should have checked what type of healer it was as well as what type of heals were available to it before choosing it.
Choosing to play and then complaining that it does not have what you want it pretty lame if you ask me.
You need to go back to the drawing board and start again, find a class that ifts your play style as the Archmagecertainly does not.
Ok I dont know if anyone else is finding this, I've finally settled on being anh Archmage Healer..... but FFS ! where are the group heals and buffs ?????? No wonder Order are continually getting ass wiped ... So Mythic FFS give us some group healing and Buffs and let those that want make a career out Healing do it properly !! I'm fed up of choosing " WHO" to save in my group instead of nice Group Buffs and heals , this needs to be fixed and soon. but its really pissing me off getting shouted at by people that want to be healed and I cant heal all of them to give everyone a fighting chance. Also whats the benifit of Healing too do we actually get any XP for the amount of Lame healing that we can do at the moment ?? sorry Rant Over but I just want to be a good healer and I cant
group heals hmmm destruction only has chain heal which sucks as far as im aware, play a warrior priest and cast Hots anre your allys... If you want to top out the healing charts you need to just HoT people in combat while spaming crappy heals till they die lol( im a zealot so healing is all i can do...))
You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game . Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering ..... so something is wrong with it simple as that.
Theres a problem alright, mainly that bad healers (such as yourself, for example) simply cannot get the job done when required of them.
I break 35,000 healing on average per game, on a Rank 7 RP alt, and I do just fine without any group heal. I can wait to get mine later down the road, it is far from a needed tool, and is simply an added bonus. Just me being there at all in the first place literally ensures victory, why you ask? because I don't suck.
Even reading your previous statements reek of lazniness and lazy playstyles. You want to be able to get more done by doing less, sorry but thats not how this game is designed, I suggest WoW if that is the type of gameplay you prefer (or LOTRO as you previously mentioned, both are "idiot proof" games in terms of how to play your class/career).
Another case of a player being outplayed/ignorant/bad, and then whining on forums about it being the career as a whole that must have issues - even though many of us are successful without every experiencing these issues.
I look after my class in pvp as though i am still solo, but at the same time offer my abilities to the team. For example i wait for someone to grab the flag, i then jump down snare the closet destro to my flag carrier then wait for others to catch up and AE root. the automaticaaly turn on me..my health goes down and i stand fight and die, ll the time smiling to myself thinking "job done" the flag carrier is out of thier reach now.
Too many players play relying on others and not concentrating on perfecting thier own.
You are missing the point. The OP is correct. I have played a healer in every other MMORPG and played one very successfully. I have given up on my AM as the healing mechanics in this game stink. I enjoy the challenge of keeping multiple targets up while doing a little damage but WAR just doesn't handle AM's well.
NO that was my point Decker, WAR isn't every MMO as well as its classes aren't. An Archmage is not a pure healer, as it's a hybrid class (magic/heal) much like my disciple is (melee/heal). Don't just because you can do it, means you should have access to 100% of the abilities of say what a pure healer (Zealot or Shaman) would have.
I don't expect to be the best healer because of my class, even though I can heal. Soon enough though, through masteries and ranks I will have a few group heals which will help. Overall though, I know my class and my role and I expect this.
You as well as the OP need to understand the importance of knowing your class, its strengths, weaknesses and overall purpose on the battlefield.
This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it. If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
Whats the point of playing at all if you want everything at once with nothing to look forward to in the future? Must WAR give everyone the opportunity to play in God-Mode in order for it to be fun? Damn I guess I should quit because I can't do what everyone at Rank 40 can.....geez. Just because one doesn't like the class they choose right off the bat doesn't mean that another class won't grab your attention? Personally if I didn't like my disciple, would that mean the whole game has failed as a whole? NO of course not, means that I didn't like that class. Simple as that.
Not everyone is going to like every class plain and simple (as I don't like several in other games but I never wrote them off based off just the one). As for waiting X amount of days.... your already driving the car man, what you get down the road are bonuses (ie. body kits, spoilers, and new rims).
You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game . Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering ..... so something is wrong with it simple as that.
Its called "skill".
Nah in WAR its Button Bashing , the rest of your post was elitist bullshit ... so forgive me if I did'nt quote all of it
You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game . Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering ..... so something is wrong with it simple as that.
Its called "skill".
Nah in WAR its Button Bashing , the rest of your post was elitist bullshit ... so forgive me if I did'nt quote all of it
You know what every time I play there are people shouting where the heals etc ! whats the healer doin ! why are they not healing us ! .... and it easy to see why when you start plaing as healer .. " There's no Point " at the moment , you might as well just stand behind everyone else and use your damage spells and heal yourself ... people just cant see it , this is why healers are not healing it does'nt happen in other games because people have the right things in place to enjoy their healer class and get much more out of the game . Anyone thats played a minstrel in Lotro will understand what I'm saying here. This does not happen in other Mmo's Healers Heal in WAR they are not bothering ..... so something is wrong with it simple as that.
Its called "skill".
Nah in WAR its Button Bashing , the rest of your post was elitist bullshit ... so forgive me if I did'nt quote all of it
You must be playing a different game than me. The buttons I press offer me differing short term buffs or utilities. I end up picking the right ones at the right time depending on the situation. I dont just randomly hit shit.
You must be playing a different game than me. The buttons I press offer me differing short term buffs or utilities. I end up picking the right ones at the right time depending on the situation. I dont just randomly hit shit.
Nah same game , I just expect more from my games I guess .
You must be playing a different game than me. The buttons I press offer me differing short term buffs or utilities. I end up picking the right ones at the right time depending on the situation. I dont just randomly hit shit.
Nah same game , I just expect more from my games I guess .
Nah it apparently isn't or you lack the capability to put in some effort as referenced by nearly every vague post you've made on these forums.
One things for sure Lotro sure did get it right with their "Minstrel Class" a total joy to play and loads of fun too , but as I said in my post WAR just does'nt have it and it needs to be addressed, some one said about keeping an ey on group and dishing out heals as necassary ..... well I tell you what in most case when everyone is is getting their Asses handed to em by Imbalanced Destruction Ganking, then its nearly impossible to heal without group heals I don care what anyone says ... as I said about Lotro most groups only need one Minstrel to be succesful in WAR to get anywhere you need about three healers in every group .... and even then the overpowered Destruction Gankers just head straight for the Healers .
ooh I'm on one today
umm if you knew anything about how to be a healer.....
first off the minstrels AOE grp heal is terrible to use too much because of aggro (in END GAME raids that is) and also if your a REAL healer, grp heals are only used if direly needed.
I love how the OP keeps talking about the glory of the minstrel, but doesnt seem to go into any details, or explain why minstrels are such a great healing class.
how bought this OP...with ur little minstrel go into a raid, and do grp heals as much as possible, know what ur gunna do? get insane amounts of aggro AND use up all your power. the grp AOE heal is the biggest power waster.
I can beat the balrog with only using aoe grp heal maybe 2 times
War is a cheesy free for all game that none care about anyone else but themselves, why people think its so great eludes me, EQ1 had more content, story , quests and faction than war has and that was YEARS ago. Healers suck , as you said no group healas or buffs, bar one sucky heal and a choice of ONE buff, I should know played one to 33 and seen the spells till 40.. suck suck suck, game has NO depth or reason to level, is truely a kids game of kill me, kil you, then do it again
Rune priest lvl 33
Wow, how bout just delete your account from this forum as well. Please your sensless garbage and rant tells me your either a kid or the 40 year old virgin in mommys basement. Do not reply saying your older, have a job and kids,. I will no believe you. No one will.
Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
Considering that a good healer can keep his team up and alive as the classes are set up now, if you introduced a bunch of AOE heals into the game it would just make the healing classes very overpowered.
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This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.
If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.
Look some people in the game cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.
Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.
Thank goodness someone that see's what I'm trying to get at here ..
Actually I think Roin misses the point by the furthest possible margin.
Point to a PvE games healer class as an example of what a "good combat healer" as if it relates to a game that is designed for PvP isn't a very solid comparison. EQ2 has zero balance for PvP, because PvP was tacked on as an afterthought and is pretty much a miserable failure of a system. Healers in Warhammer are not supposed to be healbots.
Honestly there isn't much AE damage in Warhammer that is worth getting concerned about and needs to be countered by AE heals. There isn't a huge need for AE heals and quit frankly healing is perhaps the most powerful tool on the battlefield right now. On my warrior priest I can mitigate the damage of any single class attacking me AND heal some of my team mates at the same time. I've seen every destruction healer nullify my shadow warriors damage and still toss out some heals to the team.
I don't really see much need for area heals to be honest. Focus fire and burst damage is what kills people and direct heals/mitigation are the best counter to that.
Also Runpriests are the healers that specialize in group buffs if I recall right.
This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.
If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.
Look some people in the game cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.
Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.
Indeed,I had 1 BW that died twice in 1 min that whinned about healing,I quickly reminded him that he isnt a tank and if he acts like 1 he wont get any heals,Is all about proritising your healing,basically I am healing the tanks any healers(including myself) that needs it then the dps guys,melee dps 1st then ranged,If I see a bw like I said trying to nuke everything by himself or tank I aint going to waste my AP on him.
By the way that BW ended up dieing over 10 times as me and the other RP decided not to heal him as a.he wasnt worth the effort and b.teach ppl not to whine about the heals :P
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
This post is an excellent representation of Warhammer's community. What this person fails to realize is that he totally missed the OP entire point. Not to mention he spouts the same glaring error that alot of warhmmer fans do. Play the game to x level before it gets good? That's about as silly as buying a car, and waiting x amount of days, before you can drive it.
If the game isn't midly entertaining from the start. IMHO it's already failed. You play a game to have fun, not work up until you can have fun. Oh, and I really liked that bit I highlighted red. I really wouldn't brag about something like that, when other MMO's. Manage to do what Mythic did over 3 races, with just one class. (See: EQ2, EQ1, WoW, etc etc)
The OP never clearly stated his point. The only thing we gather is that he's not being sent presents in the mail and getting high 5's for doing the exact role he's supposed to be.
Look some people in the game cry about dying. They are fucking afraid of it and when noone is around instead of fighting to the end turn around and run like cowards to their death. They cry heal after the fact. Half the time it's a fucking moron BW trying to AoE nuke shit or a tank that got a big head and went too far out of healers range.
Healers heal decent/good players fine. You CAN NOT heal stupidity.
Indeed,I had 1 BW that died twice in 1 min that whinned about healing,I quickly reminded him that he isnt a tank and if he acts like 1 he wont get any heals,Is all about proritising your healing,basically I am healing the tanks any healers(including myself) that needs it then the dps guys,melee dps 1st then ranged,If I see a bw like I said trying to nuke everything by himself or tank I aint going to waste my AP on him.
By the way that BW ended up dieing over 10 times as me and the other RP decided not to heal him as a.he wasnt worth the effort and b.teach ppl not to whine about the heals :P
Part of it boils down to personal resposibility. By the time you're in T2 you'll see BW running into groups of enemies, you'll see a tank run too far in hopes of knocking down the relic holder, or maybe even someone knockback someone about to die or holding the relic into a group of healers.
Just because you have an ability doesn't mean you have to use it immediately or in the situation you find yourself. When people start to play a bit more intelligently and within the means of their class all the other classes and their utility starts to shine. People are focusing way more on abilities than the classes utility.
You compare the Archmage to the Minstrel in LOTROL, are you pvp healing there or pve? As there is a massive difference as you should well know.
Second off you are complaining that you dont have all the heal types you want as an Archmage.
The Archmage class was there before you decided to play it, you should have checked what type of healer it was as well as what type of heals were available to it before choosing it.
Choosing to play and then complaining that it does not have what you want it pretty lame if you ask me.
You need to go back to the drawing board and start again, find a class that ifts your play style as the Archmagecertainly does not.
group heals hmmm destruction only has chain heal which sucks as far as im aware, play a warrior priest and cast Hots anre your allys... If you want to top out the healing charts you need to just HoT people in combat while spaming crappy heals till they die lol( im a zealot so healing is all i can do...))
Theres a problem alright, mainly that bad healers (such as yourself, for example) simply cannot get the job done when required of them.
I break 35,000 healing on average per game, on a Rank 7 RP alt, and I do just fine without any group heal. I can wait to get mine later down the road, it is far from a needed tool, and is simply an added bonus. Just me being there at all in the first place literally ensures victory, why you ask? because I don't suck.
Even reading your previous statements reek of lazniness and lazy playstyles. You want to be able to get more done by doing less, sorry but thats not how this game is designed, I suggest WoW if that is the type of gameplay you prefer (or LOTRO as you previously mentioned, both are "idiot proof" games in terms of how to play your class/career).
Another case of a player being outplayed/ignorant/bad, and then whining on forums about it being the career as a whole that must have issues - even though many of us are successful without every experiencing these issues.
Its called "skill".
I look after my class in pvp as though i am still solo, but at the same time offer my abilities to the team. For example i wait for someone to grab the flag, i then jump down snare the closet destro to my flag carrier then wait for others to catch up and AE root. the automaticaaly turn on me..my health goes down and i stand fight and die, ll the time smiling to myself thinking "job done" the flag carrier is out of thier reach now.
Too many players play relying on others and not concentrating on perfecting thier own.
too many players worrying about the stats board at the end instead of the objective at hand.
NO that was my point Decker, WAR isn't every MMO as well as its classes aren't. An Archmage is not a pure healer, as it's a hybrid class (magic/heal) much like my disciple is (melee/heal). Don't just because you can do it, means you should have access to 100% of the abilities of say what a pure healer (Zealot or Shaman) would have.
I don't expect to be the best healer because of my class, even though I can heal. Soon enough though, through masteries and ranks I will have a few group heals which will help. Overall though, I know my class and my role and I expect this.
You as well as the OP need to understand the importance of knowing your class, its strengths, weaknesses and overall purpose on the battlefield.
Whats the point of playing at all if you want everything at once with nothing to look forward to in the future? Must WAR give everyone the opportunity to play in God-Mode in order for it to be fun? Damn I guess I should quit because I can't do what everyone at Rank 40 can.....geez. Just because one doesn't like the class they choose right off the bat doesn't mean that another class won't grab your attention? Personally if I didn't like my disciple, would that mean the whole game has failed as a whole? NO of course not, means that I didn't like that class. Simple as that.
Not everyone is going to like every class plain and simple (as I don't like several in other games but I never wrote them off based off just the one). As for waiting X amount of days.... your already driving the car man, what you get down the road are bonuses (ie. body kits, spoilers, and new rims).
Nice try.
Its called "skill".
Nah in WAR its Button Bashing , the rest of your post was elitist bullshit ... so forgive me if I did'nt quote all of it
Its called "skill".
Nah in WAR its Button Bashing , the rest of your post was elitist bullshit ... so forgive me if I did'nt quote all of it
That's the problem. You're button mashing.
Arent all games labelled button bashing these days? same old, same old here, we go again.
Its called "skill".
Nah in WAR its Button Bashing , the rest of your post was elitist bullshit ... so forgive me if I did'nt quote all of it
That's the problem. You're button mashing.
WAR does'nt give you any other choice
You must be playing a different game than me. The buttons I press offer me differing short term buffs or utilities. I end up picking the right ones at the right time depending on the situation. I dont just randomly hit shit.
Nah same game , I just expect more from my games I guess .
Nah same game , I just expect more from my games I guess .
Nah it apparently isn't or you lack the capability to put in some effort as referenced by nearly every vague post you've made on these forums.
umm if you knew anything about how to be a healer.....
first off the minstrels AOE grp heal is terrible to use too much because of aggro (in END GAME raids that is) and also if your a REAL healer, grp heals are only used if direly needed.
l2p
I play all ghame
I love how the OP keeps talking about the glory of the minstrel, but doesnt seem to go into any details, or explain why minstrels are such a great healing class.
how bought this OP...with ur little minstrel go into a raid, and do grp heals as much as possible, know what ur gunna do? get insane amounts of aggro AND use up all your power. the grp AOE heal is the biggest power waster.
I can beat the balrog with only using aoe grp heal maybe 2 times
I play all ghame
Wow, how bout just delete your account from this forum as well. Please your sensless garbage and rant tells me your either a kid or the 40 year old virgin in mommys basement. Do not reply saying your older, have a job and kids,. I will no believe you. No one will.
Good bye
Enjoy : )
Sounds like Order on your server needs to learn to play as a team rather than, trying to solo the entire field. My wife has tried almost every class ( with the exception of DoK and Warpriest ) and hasn't had any problems keeping people alive. Every night now in gates of ekrund I see 3 or 4 iron breakers coming after my Black Orc and while I'm keeping them busy, my teammates are ripping thru Orders healers and casters. Has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with your teammates knowing what to do.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
stop arguing with actual facts and good gameplay tips. The OP wants to bash this game by means of using vague statements backed up by nothing but his good word. Everyone else is wrong and a fucking moron.
Where am I bashing the game ?? , Its seems the fanboi mentality has got a hold of you my freind , dont want hear any critiscism of WAR ? Well dont come here bashing people with a different opinion too yours .
Considering that a good healer can keep his team up and alive as the classes are set up now, if you introduced a bunch of AOE heals into the game it would just make the healing classes very overpowered.