I have to say that imho lotro has the 2nd worst avatars for a A grade mmo, D&D online having the worst..,mmm now isnt that a strange thing.
of the 8 of us in my gaming group who tried to like lotro only one got beyond 30 before something about the game drove them away, for me and several others it was characters, just dull, drab, disjointed and made to look crapy compaired to the world.
could not push on beyond the mid 20's the game play wasnt that interesting, combat wasnt good and avatar/spell actions were dull.
but climbing weathertop and looking out across the misty vale and seeing the forested hills was cool.
for the record most of us ran it on direct x 10
made for nice shadows of leaves and made the avatars stand out worse against the vibrant background..
the avatars remind me of an old painting, covered in dust and faded with age and neglect, you have a feeling there is a masterpiece of painting under all the layers of grime if only someone had thought to give it a good clean and restoration...
They're just nasty and they don't move right and it's hard to explain it without showing it to you in person but they just feel very off. I want to play on because I want to see what the player housing has to offer but frigging the character models are stopping me currently.
I have never understood this line of comment. I can only attribute it to trolling because LOTRO character models are fine imho. They sure the hell beat the pants off Vanguard and WoW. The only two games which have better are EQ2 and AoC, but we know where those two are sitting now don't we?
Better than VG? LMAO. LOTRO's not even close on a good day...
No, disagree with you. I can't see what all the fuss is about VG models, I think they're ugly and downright weird looking, all Lego hair, starey eyes and out-of-whack limbs. LoTRO's character models are a bit of a let down, particularly when they run - my female champion looks like she's dropped a load in her knickers and she's running for the can - but VG character models are awful...
Edit - did want to agree with poster above though, the LoTRO avatars do look like an old painting - that's exactly right - like there's a layer of dust on them that make them look dull against the wonderful landscapes. Someone else said that they appeared to have been Photshopped in - an effect which is particularly noticeable on screenshots - and I agree with that too. They look like photos that have been tampered with.
Getalife ... you are asking as a WAR fanboi ;=) hehe?
Not at all. A lvl 47 champ and lvl 40 Guardian along with hundered of hours spent playing LOTR. But i see things the way they are. Don't like to suger-coat or mislead people with wrong information.
It seems someone launched a new thing to spit on... : "omg! lotro's characters looks horrible!"
If you don't like them then don't play the game and leave, but let other people who wanna try the game, because you all give them wrong information! lotro is a good game.
and after being in lotro for a while now, I can say 1 thing: The characters models do not look horrible, they are fine to me
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i've played lotro since beta, still play it today and am a founder. and i will tell you straight up, lotro's character models and armor are some of the most ignorant dumb looking peices of garbage ever invented. the artists should be fired in the character department.
that being said, lotro's world is one of the best looking worlds in design and graphically, i think it's graphically better than conan, the only thing conan has going for it is better character models.
i'm highly judgemental though, been playing mmo's since Ultima Online beta 2.
i think wow's character models are better than most games character models, people may not be a fan of the cartoon like graphics, but the models themselves are far superior to 95% of all games.
people can hate on wow all they want, the fact is is that it's a top notch game programming / graphically and in the fun department ;p i think people just have resentment towards it because of how hard it is to attain any gear that is nice lol
i've played lotro since beta, still play it today and am a founder. and i will tell you straight up, lotro's character models and armor are some of the most ignorant dumb looking peices of garbage ever invented. the artists should be fired in the character department. that being said, lotro's world is one of the best looking worlds in design and graphically, i think it's graphically better than conan, the only thing conan has going for it is better character models. i'm highly judgemental though, been playing mmo's since Ultima Online beta 2.
I'm not so sure that it's the art itself, if you actually look at the art work, it's good. After all, it's probably the same people who do the chars that do the landscape - it's the way that they're rendered or something, it's like they don't quite fit.
In response to another poster a couple of posts up, I don't think we're knocking the game here, I love it and have already pre-ordered Mines of Moria, but I do agree that the look of the chars is one of the weaker aspects of the game.
i've played lotro since beta, still play it today and am a founder. and i will tell you straight up, lotro's character models and armor are some of the most ignorant dumb looking peices of garbage ever invented. the artists should be fired in the character department. that being said, lotro's world is one of the best looking worlds in design and graphically, i think it's graphically better than conan, the only thing conan has going for it is better character models. i'm highly judgemental though, been playing mmo's since Ultima Online beta 2.
I'm not so sure that it's the art itself, if you actually look at the art work, it's good. After all, it's probably the same people who do the chars that do the landscape - it's the way that they're rendered or something, it's like they don't quite fit.
In response to another poster a couple of posts up, I don't think we're knocking the game here, I love it and have already pre-ordered Mines of Moria, but I do agree that the look of the chars is one of the weaker aspects of the game.
I would have to agree, and it seems to be a heavy consensus. It has been on my list of complaints for this game.
There was discussion of reworking the models at one point, but that never came to fruition.
I wish they would use the skeletal systems from D&D online, which seem to move and look better overall.
But, no, know we see even mobs are being ignored in LOTRO (anyone seen the pink brain creature from Moria? That is a joke)
Sad really. This game has a lot to like, yet has a list of so many issues to not recommend it either.
Looks perfectly fine to me. Good even. Sure it could be better but I don't think it's bad and least of all horrible. Plus WAR with similar graphics looks even worse especially their human and elves.
If you look at a war character model you know its warhammer, if you look at a lotro character model it could be any game. the characters are too plain and the armour is horribly coloured and badly designed.
Honestly, the armour is great. Crappy armour in the beginning, nice 'n shiny armour at lvl 40-50. Either you haven't played till lvl 40-50, or you just didn't pay attention, there's some great armour in lotro. The animation however...
As a burglar, I must say my animations are... wrong. You hit something, damage gets dealt 0.5s later. Or your target suddenly dies, without you even hit it. Well, that's the same really, but just feels so wrong.
And not only don't the animation speeds match the attack speeds, the animations are.. limited. 3 attacks have the same animations (at least for burglar), and those are just the obvious ones, didn't pay attention to the others. Really, for a game with so few animations, they could've done it way better. Guild Wars has over 1000 skills, and the animations (except casting of course, which is always the same) are great. Why can't Turbine have a decent number of animations for like... 10-20 skills? (only counting the burglar's attack skills).
Running has decent animations though... Untill you start jumping. Really, they're missing a few.. 20 frames of the animation, it jumps up, freezes, falls down.
BTW; The landscapes are rarely done by the same people who do concept art. Saw a few people here thinking that. Concept art is always way more detailed than in-game graphics, pretty normal too. Believe me, it might sound easy to get good terrains, but you quickly loose performance, so people would start complaining about the massive amounts of memory it takes.
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Honestly, the armour is great. Crappy armour in the beginning, nice 'n shiny armour at lvl 40-50. Either you haven't played till lvl 40-50, or you just didn't pay attention, there's some great armour in lotro. The animation however...
For me it really isn't about what texture the armors have or what they look like(well except the few uber dorky looking hats and shoulderpads). Its the fact that even most of the heavy armors look like paper-think skinsuits.
I love the way my character looks , and I can tell you im very picky in character aesthetics . The look is pretty unique from other games, but it is truly something to admire in the art direction as well as the risk the art direction took in some of the armors. There are some very funny and interesting looks, like the hats. I have not played many games where you can absolutely be in joy with a Hobbit wearing one of those pointy tall hats, it fills me with joy to see some of the things people can create with the clothing system that is placed , which is almost limitless in how you can make your character aesthetically pleasing. When you see high level armors, you know "woah , they are high level" and that really is a great feeling when you reach some of those nice "trophy" pieces. I could careless what a game likeAoC models are doing, I'm not even playing the game, nore WAr, both games have something different, but for me , LotrO just get's it done, and that is all that matter. People continu to ressurrect things dicussed over 2 years ago, and they always come to the same conclusion, it is all opinion.
And we are glad you are willing to give yours.
Now, I have to question this. Can you possibly show me ANY Tolkien based drawing by any of the famous artists in the past who decided it was a good idea to put an eye patch on an Elf?
The problems stem from lore breaking art, armor that does not look like armor but body suits and spandex (even the metal based armors). The way the characters stand when not in motion, the from the hip running animations, the Hobbit full diaper baby run..
We all agree the landscapes are awesome. But the models when placed into this beautiful world look 2d and unrealistic.
I think what is being talked about here is a lot of the lower level armour.
I agree, some of that stuff is just horrible and does look VERY stupid.
However, I must say a lot of the higher ends stuff doesn't look as "stuck" to a player as the lower level stuff.
But still, when my LM runs around I can't stand how the robes just stick to my legs, there is NO flowing motion to them at all. So while I agree that there is more than enough room for imporvement I wouldn't say it's horrible either.
Just for once I would like to see an mmo where characters actualy sheath their weapons or put them in a holster instead of just stick it on the side or back like its a magnet. I especialy hate it when they dont put the weapons away at all and just run around like a crazy idiot with the weapons sticking out in front of them.
Just for once I would like to see an mmo where characters actualy sheath their weapons or put them in a holster instead of just stick it on the side or back like its a magnet. I especialy hate it when they dont put the weapons away at all and just run around like a crazy idiot with the weapons sticking out in front of them.
EQ2 comes close...
Watch when they put away a sword for example. Even has the sword being sheathed sound...cool. But, it is not perfect.
I agree with you though. They REALLY need to focus on this effect of realism. I think almost ALL games fail at this...lol
The models make the game for me , they are charasmatic to how people can convey themselves in the game world, with clothing, with emoticons and it really doesn;'t give you that over bearing serious gorilla likfe or death tone that VG has, the models are fun and it shows when your with other players , playing the game. I've played games like AoC and a lot of other games most f2p ones that people just sit and complain , in game. The people don't like there avatar in those games and it detracts from the rest of the community and they vent about it , not only in there own games forum, but try to detract from a successful games forum as well. People are content and happy while playing the game, enjoying their guilds and having fun with pointy hats and silly random acts of fun in LotrO. I have not laughed so much while playing LotRO then any game, cause of some of the silly costumes people come up with. If you can't enjoy an mmorpg game, no matter what game it is , why are you even wasting your life in formulating opinions on something you could careless about. It is really amazing and it could be interesting to study as an anthropologist who studies cyberenthography
Bte , I really liked my tight pants
I choose to discuss these kinds of things because I find the MMORPG genre enjoyable. I like to talk about all the MMOS that I've played or currently play, it's a hobby and interest of mine. It just so happens that MMORPG.COM is one of the better forums... nicely designed and moderated well. I enjoy giving my opinion about horrible armor/character models, and I enjoy giving praise to a game that I think deserves it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but It really doesn't take an antrhopologist to figure that out.
But hey, keep on posting, it's very enjoyable to read your defensive statements about this game... Also, if you think that LoTRO players don't complain... go look at the official forums and have a gander at the subscribers who complain on a daily basis. LoTRO characters may not look like gorillas, but they definitely don't look anywhere close to decent. In fact, I'd bet that the majority of players who quit the game find the models to be rather pathetic compared to what other games offer. LoTRO has no style, no variety (reskins of the same 5 armor models LOL), and horrible art direction. The characters look completely detached from the game world.
The models make the game for me , they are charasmatic to how people can convey themselves in the game world, with clothing, with emoticons and it really doesn;'t give you that over bearing serious gorilla likfe or death tone that VG has, the models are fun and it shows when your with other players , playing the game. I've played games like AoC and a lot of other games most f2p ones that people just sit and complain , in game. The people don't like there avatar in those games and it detracts from the rest of the community and they vent about it , not only in there own games forum, but try to detract from a successful games forum as well. People are content and happy while playing the game, enjoying their guilds and having fun with pointy hats and silly random acts of fun in LotrO. I have not laughed so much while playing LotRO then any game, cause of some of the silly costumes people come up with. If you can't enjoy an mmorpg game, no matter what game it is , why are you even wasting your life in formulating opinions on something you could careless about. It is really amazing and it could be interesting to study as an anthropologist who studies cyberenthography
Bte , I really liked my tight pants
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I'm glad the models didn't appeal to a majority, it leaves the core playing with people who truly like the game, not because it is the flavor of the month.
My character feels more attached to the game world then anything I've played in the last 10 years ... but it is ok, AoC is not doing so well, the bugs , and moral have left the player base jaded , I understand, I was the same way when VG came out. You can probably say the models look not to your liking, but that is about as far as you will ever take your case.
The term "gorilla" was to translate into stern or over realistic, sorry if that was not comprehended the way I wanted.
Uh, it's not just the character models.... there are a whole bunch of other terrible things about LoTRO... but there is no reason to go off topic. Just to keep this rolling, here is some retarded MoM burglar armor... yay, you get to look retarded at lvl 60! More terrible helms, more skin tight armor and man-dresses... Turbine had a chance to get their artwork right and they still deliver poor designs. I'm too embarassed to post the other class armor I've seen... because some of it looks so completely WoW-like and retarded it's pathetic.
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Getalife ... you are asking as a WAR fanboi ;=) hehe?
I have to say that imho lotro has the 2nd worst avatars for a A grade mmo, D&D online having the worst..,mmm now isnt that a strange thing.
of the 8 of us in my gaming group who tried to like lotro only one got beyond 30 before something about the game drove them away, for me and several others it was characters, just dull, drab, disjointed and made to look crapy compaired to the world.
could not push on beyond the mid 20's the game play wasnt that interesting, combat wasnt good and avatar/spell actions were dull.
but climbing weathertop and looking out across the misty vale and seeing the forested hills was cool.
for the record most of us ran it on direct x 10
made for nice shadows of leaves and made the avatars stand out worse against the vibrant background..
the avatars remind me of an old painting, covered in dust and faded with age and neglect, you have a feeling there is a masterpiece of painting under all the layers of grime if only someone had thought to give it a good clean and restoration...
I have never understood this line of comment. I can only attribute it to trolling because LOTRO character models are fine imho. They sure the hell beat the pants off Vanguard and WoW. The only two games which have better are EQ2 and AoC, but we know where those two are sitting now don't we?
Better than VG? LMAO. LOTRO's not even close on a good day...
No, disagree with you. I can't see what all the fuss is about VG models, I think they're ugly and downright weird looking, all Lego hair, starey eyes and out-of-whack limbs. LoTRO's character models are a bit of a let down, particularly when they run - my female champion looks like she's dropped a load in her knickers and she's running for the can - but VG character models are awful...
Edit - did want to agree with poster above though, the LoTRO avatars do look like an old painting - that's exactly right - like there's a layer of dust on them that make them look dull against the wonderful landscapes. Someone else said that they appeared to have been Photshopped in - an effect which is particularly noticeable on screenshots - and I agree with that too. They look like photos that have been tampered with.
Not at all. A lvl 47 champ and lvl 40 Guardian along with hundered of hours spent playing LOTR. But i see things the way they are. Don't like to suger-coat or mislead people with wrong information.
It seems someone launched a new thing to spit on... : "omg! lotro's characters looks horrible!"
If you don't like them then don't play the game and leave, but let other people who wanna try the game, because you all give them wrong information! lotro is a good game.
and after being in lotro for a while now, I can say 1 thing: The characters models do not look horrible, they are fine to me
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i've played lotro since beta, still play it today and am a founder. and i will tell you straight up, lotro's character models and armor are some of the most ignorant dumb looking peices of garbage ever invented. the artists should be fired in the character department.
that being said, lotro's world is one of the best looking worlds in design and graphically, i think it's graphically better than conan, the only thing conan has going for it is better character models.
i'm highly judgemental though, been playing mmo's since Ultima Online beta 2.
They are better than WoWs. I personaly like DnD online's best
i think wow's character models are better than most games character models, people may not be a fan of the cartoon like graphics, but the models themselves are far superior to 95% of all games.
people can hate on wow all they want, the fact is is that it's a top notch game programming / graphically and in the fun department ;p i think people just have resentment towards it because of how hard it is to attain any gear that is nice lol
I'm not so sure that it's the art itself, if you actually look at the art work, it's good. After all, it's probably the same people who do the chars that do the landscape - it's the way that they're rendered or something, it's like they don't quite fit.
In response to another poster a couple of posts up, I don't think we're knocking the game here, I love it and have already pre-ordered Mines of Moria, but I do agree that the look of the chars is one of the weaker aspects of the game.
I'm not so sure that it's the art itself, if you actually look at the art work, it's good. After all, it's probably the same people who do the chars that do the landscape - it's the way that they're rendered or something, it's like they don't quite fit.
In response to another poster a couple of posts up, I don't think we're knocking the game here, I love it and have already pre-ordered Mines of Moria, but I do agree that the look of the chars is one of the weaker aspects of the game.
I would have to agree, and it seems to be a heavy consensus. It has been on my list of complaints for this game.
There was discussion of reworking the models at one point, but that never came to fruition.
I wish they would use the skeletal systems from D&D online, which seem to move and look better overall.
But, no, know we see even mobs are being ignored in LOTRO (anyone seen the pink brain creature from Moria? That is a joke)
Sad really. This game has a lot to like, yet has a list of so many issues to not recommend it either.
If you look at a war character model you know its warhammer, if you look at a lotro character model it could be any game. the characters are too plain and the armour is horribly coloured and badly designed.
Honestly, the armour is great. Crappy armour in the beginning, nice 'n shiny armour at lvl 40-50. Either you haven't played till lvl 40-50, or you just didn't pay attention, there's some great armour in lotro. The animation however...
As a burglar, I must say my animations are... wrong. You hit something, damage gets dealt 0.5s later. Or your target suddenly dies, without you even hit it. Well, that's the same really, but just feels so wrong.
And not only don't the animation speeds match the attack speeds, the animations are.. limited. 3 attacks have the same animations (at least for burglar), and those are just the obvious ones, didn't pay attention to the others. Really, for a game with so few animations, they could've done it way better. Guild Wars has over 1000 skills, and the animations (except casting of course, which is always the same) are great. Why can't Turbine have a decent number of animations for like... 10-20 skills? (only counting the burglar's attack skills).
Running has decent animations though... Untill you start jumping. Really, they're missing a few.. 20 frames of the animation, it jumps up, freezes, falls down.
BTW; The landscapes are rarely done by the same people who do concept art. Saw a few people here thinking that. Concept art is always way more detailed than in-game graphics, pretty normal too. Believe me, it might sound easy to get good terrains, but you quickly loose performance, so people would start complaining about the massive amounts of memory it takes.
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
For me it really isn't about what texture the armors have or what they look like(well except the few uber dorky looking hats and shoulderpads). Its the fact that even most of the heavy armors look like paper-think skinsuits.
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Now, I have to question this. Can you possibly show me ANY Tolkien based drawing by any of the famous artists in the past who decided it was a good idea to put an eye patch on an Elf?
The problems stem from lore breaking art, armor that does not look like armor but body suits and spandex (even the metal based armors). The way the characters stand when not in motion, the from the hip running animations, the Hobbit full diaper baby run..
We all agree the landscapes are awesome. But the models when placed into this beautiful world look 2d and unrealistic.
This is what disappoints many players.
I think what is being talked about here is a lot of the lower level armour.
I agree, some of that stuff is just horrible and does look VERY stupid.
However, I must say a lot of the higher ends stuff doesn't look as "stuck" to a player as the lower level stuff.
But still, when my LM runs around I can't stand how the robes just stick to my legs, there is NO flowing motion to them at all. So while I agree that there is more than enough room for imporvement I wouldn't say it's horrible either.
Just for once I would like to see an mmo where characters actualy sheath their weapons or put them in a holster instead of just stick it on the side or back like its a magnet. I especialy hate it when they dont put the weapons away at all and just run around like a crazy idiot with the weapons sticking out in front of them.
EQ2 comes close...
Watch when they put away a sword for example. Even has the sword being sheathed sound...cool. But, it is not perfect.
I agree with you though. They REALLY need to focus on this effect of realism. I think almost ALL games fail at this...lol
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I choose to discuss these kinds of things because I find the MMORPG genre enjoyable. I like to talk about all the MMOS that I've played or currently play, it's a hobby and interest of mine. It just so happens that MMORPG.COM is one of the better forums... nicely designed and moderated well. I enjoy giving my opinion about horrible armor/character models, and I enjoy giving praise to a game that I think deserves it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but It really doesn't take an antrhopologist to figure that out.
But hey, keep on posting, it's very enjoyable to read your defensive statements about this game... Also, if you think that LoTRO players don't complain... go look at the official forums and have a gander at the subscribers who complain on a daily basis. LoTRO characters may not look like gorillas, but they definitely don't look anywhere close to decent. In fact, I'd bet that the majority of players who quit the game find the models to be rather pathetic compared to what other games offer. LoTRO has no style, no variety (reskins of the same 5 armor models LOL), and horrible art direction. The characters look completely detached from the game world.
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I'm glad the models didn't appeal to a majority, it leaves the core playing with people who truly like the game, not because it is the flavor of the month.
My character feels more attached to the game world then anything I've played in the last 10 years ... but it is ok, AoC is not doing so well, the bugs , and moral have left the player base jaded , I understand, I was the same way when VG came out. You can probably say the models look not to your liking, but that is about as far as you will ever take your case.
The term "gorilla" was to translate into stern or over realistic, sorry if that was not comprehended the way I wanted.
Uh, it's not just the character models.... there are a whole bunch of other terrible things about LoTRO... but there is no reason to go off topic. Just to keep this rolling, here is some retarded MoM burglar armor... yay, you get to look retarded at lvl 60! More terrible helms, more skin tight armor and man-dresses... Turbine had a chance to get their artwork right and they still deliver poor designs. I'm too embarassed to post the other class armor I've seen... because some of it looks so completely WoW-like and retarded it's pathetic.
Here are some more... I'd say the captain's set is probably the the worst of the bunch.
What's with the dresses for champions?