Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
You need to be blind not to see the drop,like right now karak eight peaks is sitting at med/high at the start of prime time a week ago there would have been queues of a few hundred both sides to get in. Unless they have increased to pop caps they has been a sharp decline in numbers.
Or unless people got tired of waiting to play and rolled a new server so they could play.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
It is indeed good news to see WAR is doing so well. I sincerely hope that it continues to thrive. The MMORPG genre has become a barren desert with the occasional Oasis scattered about to keep people's appetites whet until the next big thing comes.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time with WAR and I hope it continues to grow. When some of the performance issues are taken care of, I hope to return. Until then, I'll continue to watch this Oasis grow from the side-lines.
You know sales aren't going as well as EA hoped when they have to brag about it beating ' internal EA preorder records'.
They also keep using the word 'accounts created' which includes the people who preordered to get into early access and then never bought the game. Look at the steep decline in players on the day the grace period expired.
Even if you say they 'sold' 750k boxes, they were still expecting to sell twice that many (1.5M shipped to retailers) and still haven't reached the 800k accounts AOC acheived.
So what happens at the end of a month or two, when people don't resub. Will you guys be quick to stick with your high numbers sold? Beware, you might end up having WAR's high number giving you the game with the highest lose of numbers after the first free month.
Who was it that said that WAR would fail after initial launch? You're looking rather foolish right now, don't ya think?
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Well, it is kinda your own fault by buying a 8600 GT in the first place cause it is well known that that card is crap. A 8800 GT will run great and it doesn't cost 600 dollars.
You know sales aren't going as well as EA hoped when they have to brag about it beating ' internal EA preorder records'. They also keep using the word 'accounts created' which includes the people who preordered to get into early access and then never bought the game. Look at the steep decline in players on the day the grace period expired. Even if you say they 'sold' 750k boxes, they were still expecting to sell twice that many (1.5M shipped to retailers) and still haven't reached the 800k accounts AOC acheived.
Wow. Your cluelessness is DEAFENING. WAR already sold 1.5 million boxes to the retailers. We're talking about the number of PLAYERS that registered for the game. The fact that WAR made AoC its b* tch in box sales to retailers is already old news (like weeks ago). Now they're making AoC its b* tch in subscribers.
People really need to do a little research before they post....
You know sales aren't going as well as EA hoped when they have to brag about it beating ' internal EA preorder records'. They also keep using the word 'accounts created' which includes the people who preordered to get into early access and then never bought the game. Look at the steep decline in players on the day the grace period expired. Even if you say they 'sold' 750k boxes, they were still expecting to sell twice that many (1.5M shipped to retailers) and still haven't reached the 800k accounts AOC acheived.
AoC never achieved 800K accounts, they bragged about 400K after 1 week of launch, and that is it.
You know sales aren't going as well as EA hoped when they have to brag about it beating ' internal EA preorder records'. They also keep using the word 'accounts created' which includes the people who preordered to get into early access and then never bought the game. Look at the steep decline in players on the day the grace period expired. Even if you say they 'sold' 750k boxes, they were still expecting to sell twice that many (1.5M shipped to retailers) and still haven't reached the 800k accounts AOC acheived.
Wow. Your cluelessness is DEAFENING. WAR already sold 1.5 million boxes to the retailers. We're talking about the number of PLAYERS that registered for the game. The fact that WAR made AoC its b* tch in box sales to retailers is already old news (like weeks ago). Now they're making AoC its b* tch in subscribers.
People really need to do a little research before they post....
1,500,000 shipped to retailers 750,000 brought home by players
What happened to the other 750k boxes? they are still sitting on retailer's shelves.
And actually you are wrong. AOC sold 800k boxes to customers.
Warhammer has not released 'subscribers' yet, and their accounts created number (750k) is still less than AoC(800k) was at the same timeframe.
And all of the other indicators are showing that Warhammer is failing badly. It has dropped below #60 on Amazon's game list, and both server numbers (populations) and Xfire both show an almost 40% drop in players.
Don't feel bad, there were people just like you defending AOC back on June 30th. Keep your chin up, you've got a rough couple months ahead of you.
Quoting the AoC Q2 report: The game currently has more than
415.000 customers (players who are either
subscribers or are playing in
800k WAR >>> 400K AoC customers
Except you are talking about a much later time period in AOC (after they had lost a bunch).
Here is the quote from their 2nd quarter financial report. You can go to funcom.com investor relations to verify (this is cut and paste from it)
"So far the game has sold-in (to retail and digitally)
over 1.2 million copies and has sold through over
800.000 copies (i.e. customers that since launch
have bought a game client and entered their game
client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing
database)."
This latest release from Warhammer isn't comparing 'subscribers', it is comparing accounts created. So you would compare 800k for AOC to 750K for Warhammer.
When the first free month is over for Warhammer, then we can compare that number to AOC's 415k. You have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.. You are compare one number from Warhammer(accounts created) to a completely different number from AOC(current subscribers).
Still too many WoW kiddies in the game. I hope the numbers drop drasticly when WoTLK arrives. That would be nice.
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
While I do congragulate them on initial success, this number of regiesterd accounts will become more and more meaningless over time. People may have pre-ordered and not bought a box. They may have only enjoyed the OB and early start. That may be a small number of difference at this point.
Over time however this number of registered accounts can only go up as more people register. In a few months I would like to see active subscription numbers for these statistics to have any real meaning.
WAR drops -26% in activity over the last week. Sorry Mac, say what you want about Xfire, but this is simply absolutley historical. No game have ever dropped like this on a week to week basis (and I checked it).
Yeah I have, the same link that you gave me before, but you made sure to not talk about the important number that we are talking here, 400K customers.
Here is the whole paragraph that you didnt quote:
So far the game has sold-in (to retail and digitally)
over 1.2 million copies and has sold through over
800.000 copies (i.e. customers that since launch
have bought a game client and entered their game
client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing
database). The game currently has more than
415.000 customers (players who are either
subscribers or are playing in the first 30 days
included in the sale of the box).
That is because the 750K number released by Warhammer today is the big news. And if you want to make a comparison to AOC.. you need to use the 800k number since they are the SAME THING. When Warhammer is done with it's free 30 days, and IF it announes a subscription number THEN we can compare that to the 415k number from AOC. But as things stand now.. Warhammer hasn't released any number that you can compare to the 415k number. So even using the 415k number at all is just a smokescreen.
While my opinion is just another boat on the sea of uncertainty, I feel the need to say something anyway. I feel that posting numbers (especially so early in a game) seems like nothing more than a way to reassure people so close to the end of the first month not to abandon ship.
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Gratz.
But it have just started, Mythic will have to work hard to keep it's players. the launch is just the start for MMOs
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
You need to be blind not to see the drop,like right now karak eight peaks is sitting at med/high at the start of prime time a week ago there would have been queues of a few hundred both sides to get in. Unless they have increased to pop caps they has been a sharp decline in numbers.
Or unless people got tired of waiting to play and rolled a new server so they could play.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
It is indeed good news to see WAR is doing so well. I sincerely hope that it continues to thrive. The MMORPG genre has become a barren desert with the occasional Oasis scattered about to keep people's appetites whet until the next big thing comes.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time with WAR and I hope it continues to grow. When some of the performance issues are taken care of, I hope to return. Until then, I'll continue to watch this Oasis grow from the side-lines.
You know sales aren't going as well as EA hoped when they have to brag about it beating ' internal EA preorder records'.
They also keep using the word 'accounts created' which includes the people who preordered to get into early access and then never bought the game. Look at the steep decline in players on the day the grace period expired.
Even if you say they 'sold' 750k boxes, they were still expecting to sell twice that many (1.5M shipped to retailers) and still haven't reached the 800k accounts AOC acheived.
So what happens at the end of a month or two, when people don't resub. Will you guys be quick to stick with your high numbers sold? Beware, you might end up having WAR's high number giving you the game with the highest lose of numbers after the first free month.
Don't know where you pulled that number from the last official number i've seen is 500k and all indications say it's been loseing players over the last few weeks.
Link? Or are you relying on XFire numbers?
None of this crap matters until the free month is over. Personally, I cancelled, because I got to level 20, and found the game boring in its current incarnation, and also, I'm sorry, but I'm not shelling out 200 more dollars on ram/video card upgrades just so I can play Warhammer.
As intensive as Age of Conan was on my computer before I cancelled it too, at least when I put the settings on low on that game, it actually did something to improve framerates. No such luck with WAR.
If you really want to play I can get you 2gb ddr2 and a nice video card for about $70 that runs WAR fine
I have 2gb ddr2, and a GeForce 8600 GT. Pretty much every game out, sans Crysis and Warhammer, runs fine on my setup. Sorry. I don't see me spending 600 dollars building a whole new setup just to play one game, even though the thought crossed my mind when I started playing Warhammer.
Well, it is kinda your own fault by buying a 8600 GT in the first place cause it is well known that that card is crap. A 8800 GT will run great and it doesn't cost 600 dollars.
Wow. Your cluelessness is DEAFENING. WAR already sold 1.5 million boxes to the retailers. We're talking about the number of PLAYERS that registered for the game. The fact that WAR made AoC its b* tch in box sales to retailers is already old news (like weeks ago). Now they're making AoC its b* tch in subscribers.
People really need to do a little research before they post....
AoC never achieved 800K accounts, they bragged about 400K after 1 week of launch, and that is it.
does this number include the people that regeisted for the game during the early preview but didnt buy the game?
Wow. Your cluelessness is DEAFENING. WAR already sold 1.5 million boxes to the retailers. We're talking about the number of PLAYERS that registered for the game. The fact that WAR made AoC its b* tch in box sales to retailers is already old news (like weeks ago). Now they're making AoC its b* tch in subscribers.
People really need to do a little research before they post....
1,500,000 shipped to retailers 750,000 brought home by players
What happened to the other 750k boxes? they are still sitting on retailer's shelves.
And actually you are wrong. AOC sold 800k boxes to customers.
http://www.funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1317&table=CONTENT
Warhammer has not released 'subscribers' yet, and their accounts created number (750k) is still less than AoC(800k) was at the same timeframe.
And all of the other indicators are showing that Warhammer is failing badly. It has dropped below #60 on Amazon's game list, and both server numbers (populations) and Xfire both show an almost 40% drop in players.
Don't feel bad, there were people just like you defending AOC back on June 30th. Keep your chin up, you've got a rough couple months ahead of you.
Did those players create an account? Yes. The 750k number is 'accounts created'...it is not 'boxes sold'.
Quoting the AoC Q2 report:
The game currently has more than
415.000 customers (players who are either
subscribers or are playing in
800k WAR >>> 400K AoC customers
Yes, this is most likely the case since they are only saying registered accounts and not actual box sales or paying customers
Except you are talking about a much later time period in AOC (after they had lost a bunch).
Here is the quote from their 2nd quarter financial report. You can go to funcom.com investor relations to verify (this is cut and paste from it)
"So far the game has sold-in (to retail and digitally)
over 1.2 million copies and has sold through over
800.000 copies (i.e. customers that since launch
have bought a game client and entered their game
client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing
database)."
This latest release from Warhammer isn't comparing 'subscribers', it is comparing accounts created. So you would compare 800k for AOC to 750K for Warhammer.
When the first free month is over for Warhammer, then we can compare that number to AOC's 415k. You have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.. You are compare one number from Warhammer(accounts created) to a completely different number from AOC(current subscribers).
Still too many WoW kiddies in the game. I hope the numbers drop drasticly when WoTLK arrives. That would be nice.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Have a link with evidence of WAR's subscriber numbers? Oh wait, they haven't released those numbers yet since they are still in the free month.
Have a link with evidence of WAR's subscriber numbers? Oh wait, they haven't released those numbers yet since they are still in the free month.
http://www.funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1317&table=CONTENT
Yeah I have, the same link that you gave me before, but you made sure to not talk about the important number that we are talking here, 400K customers.
Here is the whole paragraph that you didnt quote:
So far the game has sold-in (to retail and digitally)
over 1.2 million copies and has sold through over
800.000 copies (i.e. customers that since launch
have bought a game client and entered their game
client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing
database). The game currently has more than
415.000 customers (players who are either
subscribers or are playing in the first 30 days
included in the sale of the box).
While I do congragulate them on initial success, this number of regiesterd accounts will become more and more meaningless over time. People may have pre-ordered and not bought a box. They may have only enjoyed the OB and early start. That may be a small number of difference at this point.
Over time however this number of registered accounts can only go up as more people register. In a few months I would like to see active subscription numbers for these statistics to have any real meaning.
We will have to see what happens.
Have a link with evidence of WAR's subscriber numbers? Oh wait, they haven't released those numbers yet since they are still in the free month.
http://www.funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1317&table=CONTENT
Yeah I have, the same link that you gave me before, but you made sure to not talk about the important number that we are talking here, 400K customers.
Here is the whole paragraph that you didnt quote:
So far the game has sold-in (to retail and digitally)
over 1.2 million copies and has sold through over
800.000 copies (i.e. customers that since launch
have bought a game client and entered their game
client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing
database). The game currently has more than
415.000 customers (players who are either
subscribers or are playing in the first 30 days
included in the sale of the box).
1) I didn't post that link
2) That link has nothing to do with WAR's sub numbers, since WAR's sub numbers don't exist yet.
WAR drops -26% in activity over the last week. Sorry Mac, say what you want about Xfire, but this is simply absolutley historical. No game have ever dropped like this on a week to week basis (and I checked it).
www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/
Happy for those 750000 sold copies, just sad that fewer and fewer of those seem to log in.
And for the enthused poster above me, 415 k was as of 14th of Aug. In other words -385 k subscribers in 3 months.
Have a link with evidence of WAR's subscriber numbers? Oh wait, they haven't released those numbers yet since they are still in the free month.
http://www.funcom.com/wsp/funcom/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&func_id=1317&table=CONTENT
Yeah I have, the same link that you gave me before, but you made sure to not talk about the important number that we are talking here, 400K customers.
Here is the whole paragraph that you didnt quote:
So far the game has sold-in (to retail and digitally)
over 1.2 million copies and has sold through over
800.000 copies (i.e. customers that since launch
have bought a game client and entered their game
client key and payment details into Funcom’s billing
database). The game currently has more than
415.000 customers (players who are either
subscribers or are playing in the first 30 days
included in the sale of the box).
That is because the 750K number released by Warhammer today is the big news. And if you want to make a comparison to AOC.. you need to use the 800k number since they are the SAME THING. When Warhammer is done with it's free 30 days, and IF it announes a subscription number THEN we can compare that to the 415k number from AOC. But as things stand now.. Warhammer hasn't released any number that you can compare to the 415k number. So even using the 415k number at all is just a smokescreen.
While my opinion is just another boat on the sea of uncertainty, I feel the need to say something anyway. I feel that posting numbers (especially so early in a game) seems like nothing more than a way to reassure people so close to the end of the first month not to abandon ship.