not so much hidden its just this game has been in development since before WoW. Its failed to get into beta multiple times. And how the game is built at most it will get a cult following like eve.
cult /k?lt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhlt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
–adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.
So... which definition of cult are you using. Sure the DarkFall community fits into definition 2, but so do people who buy home gyms! So does everyone who is willing to devote many hours a day to a game, like so many people who play mmos.
Edit: Pinkcat is not wise, for Pinkcat has made a ludicrous statement. Many flames have been aimed at both the trolls and the fanbois (the two extremists on these forums). Neither of these are known for speaking with much common sense. After all, how would Pinkcat explain the occurence of flame wars, in which two people flame each other. Do flamers use common sense when posting?
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Because it has problems either from the game itself or the Dev team.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
Actually it's being realistic, you need to open your eyes and see the world today, in regards to the MMO world look at how much it costs to market, then add those expenses to the cost to make the game and hire the teams of devs, then think about the last couple of games released that DID loads of marketing (WAR and AoC), how well did they do? how much PROFIT do you think they made after the bills were paid?
lastly i'd like to add that WORD OF MOUTH is the best form of advertisement there is.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
I would think that if you had taken out millions of dollars in loans to develope a game, you would consider yourself pretty poor. Hmm, why go to American and German conventions with something that can be better polished in time for a convention that you do not need to pay travel expenses or speak in a forign language for, hmm....
Oh, I think it is worth mentioning that the OP is a confirmed troll who has now posted at least 5 threads to that end.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
well good luck with your cult, Just remember don't drink the koolaid if you find your self in some small south american village. lol
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
I would think that if you had taken out millions of dollars in loans to develope a game, you would consider yourself pretty poor. Hmm, why go to American and German conventions with something that can be better polished in time for a convention that you do not need to pay travel expenses or speak in a forign language for, hmm....
Oh, I think it is worth mentioning that the OP is a confirmed troll who has now posted at least 5 threads to that end.
So you are saying there poor as dirt, No money...no game. thanks for clearing that up for me. There pathic advertisement is for you tools to spread the word. and after years what do you have...nothing. Face the facts Duke Nukem and Darkfall have much in common, both fail to deliver and are the joke of the gaming industry.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
well good luck with your cult, Just remember don't drink the koolaid if you find your self in some small south american village. lol
I mean no offence by this reply.
Why do you view the Darkfall community as a cult? judging by how you seem to define a cult means that ANY community of ANY kind is a cult.. Just because some people have hopes for something new that they are looking forward to and hoping won't be all lies like what happened with AoC, doesn't mean they are a cult.
On a side note are you a WoW player by any chance?
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Just noticed your post above this and if you think Duke Nukem was a failure then you seriously are deluded, Duke Nukem 3D was a big seller and i can garuntee that there are people out there still playign it today.
No I don't play wow, Tried it for three weeks and i have to say its not a very good game IMO. As far as the cult thing, its mostly said in jest. but you got to wonder the peoples mindset when they worship and follow a game for how many years (7 or 8). one or two years i can see but dam !!!! Some call it passion, I call it odd. If you blindly follow something expecting the Holy Grail, your in for one hell of a let down. Better to just move on and get on with your gaming fix, If and when it comes out then go back and check it out .
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
No I don't play wow, Tried it for three weeks and i have to say its not a very good game IMO. As far as the cult thing, its mostly said in jest. but you got to wonder the peoples mindset when they worship and follow a game for how many years (7 or 8). one or two years i can see but dam !!!! Some call it passion, I call it odd. If you blindly follow something expecting the Holy Grail, your in for one hell of a let down. Better to just move on and get on with your gaming fix, If and when it comes out then go back and check it out .
fair enough m8, i apologise about the WoW thing, too used to the immature posters from that game that argue about other games they don't play or intent to.
I personaly haven't been following the info on Darkfall that long, maybe a month at most (to present date), MMORPG's aint really been my thing since about 5 months after NGE hit Star Wars Galaxies. Played trials of a few, played LotRo for a year and currently on and off CoX due to my commitments in the Call of Duty 4 clan i'm Deputy Leader of.
I try not to overhype Darkfall personaly though, after being let down and after i wasted money on Vanguard and AoC i'm a trial before i buy now anyways. I'm just hoping Darkfall can pull off the features they promise.
I have to disagree with everything being said about how it was a good thing that they did not go to conventions. Conventions are not only to get the word of the game out to the community, it is not for players to go and check out new games. It is also for companies to go and check out what other companies are doing, Learn new stuff and technics. See what the latest technology is. Maybe even get some new partners to help out and make the game better. Conventions are GREAT for developers. It is a very wise idea for developers to go to conventions. Yes they could use that time polishing the game. But you could be learning how to polish it even better!
I however agree word of mouth is the best way to get the game out. It also has a higher chance of getting players to actually get the game. Tho it would also be wise to advertise the game a little before lauch. It would be unwise to advertise the game when it is a long ways away. So what the company behind darkfall(Aventurine?) is doing is good and correct.
P.S. Be aware of the hype killer! It is out to kill!
Cause maybe they dont want to give away too much like in the old days when you didnt hear about the games secrets and wasteful marketing when the money can be used for more content.? Perhaps and they have said they want the player to figure out whats in the game on their own instead of showing everything before its even released.
Why does everygame need to be hyped? The last 2 games with all the major hype was AOC and WAR both failed games in my eyes... one tried to appease the eyes on graphics and failed on content and lied about their features and the other one from all the posts Ive been seeing is not enough content or enough people playing...so really why waste that money for advertising when that money can be all stuffed into more content for the game.?
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
And then we see alot of people prefer game his friend is playing and then we see those persons with that "business thinking" you describe that would lead to fire Tasos looking like donkeys or monkeys..
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It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.
Let's think about this for a second. An indy company that doesn't have much marketing. Hmm that is unheard of. Last I checked they have been giving interviews to greek media and will be presenting the game at Athens Digital Week. How are they hiding it?
Sure they don't have DF slapped on every magazine, but why would the magazines want it? DF is pretty much unknown in mainstream gaming. I mean it's not like we have had many huge releases recently like Spore, SC2, Fallout 3, WAR. The intended audience already knows about DF and intends to play it. Just use common sense.
If they refused to give interviews then maybe the hiding it arguement would hold water. Maybe you havn't read anything about DF or the interviews?
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open. Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible? Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide?? It would only help not hurt... unless of course.... there's something to hide. =X
I have seen that they did a review with a local newspaper and showed off some of the game to them as to why they wouldn't do so with other media I wouldn't think it mattered much until they are ready for an actual open beta or release considering they aren't "advertising" this game has really strong buzz so I think I to would probably avoid main stream media until a later point in production.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I don't think they are hiding it, they just aren't willing to spend large amounts of money on advertising.
Having a stall at a gaming convention cost several hundred thousand dollars.
Also being that it is made in Greece and has no US publisher must make it much harder to get coverage in the gaming media as most of it is based in the US. No company would pay to send a journalist all the way to Greece to report on a small companies title.
It's the same for all small companies, trolls just use it as reason to bash the game without looking at the whole picture or looking at what Aventurine does in comparison to other small studios.
Big publishers invite journalists to expensive events to promote their games.
To promote Red Alert 3 EA took a large party of journalists on a free trip to Russia where they held a vodka binge in a decommissioned nuclear bunker. That's the kind of cash it takes to get media coverage, it's not free.
If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible? Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide?? It would only help not hurt... unless of course.... there's something to hide. =X
I have seen that they did a review with a local newspaper and showed off some of the game to them as to why they wouldn't do so with other media I wouldn't think it mattered much until they are ready for an actual open beta or release considering they aren't "advertising" this game has really strong buzz so I think I to would probably avoid main stream media until a later point in production.
The Aventurine approach to DFO marketing is accurate and correct, they will market heavily probably 6 months to 1 year after launch. Now for a little education, Aventurine are heavily sponsored by the Greek government as they work in a developing IT market within Greece. So they sponsor events and also promote educational events , such as the up and coming Athens digital week. The articles within the localised environments are probably things they have to do as commitments to ensure that they get the said subsidies.
It is pretty simple really but the demanding culture that the Internet expects, prior to the right delivery points within a development cycle causes Issues, such as fans and haters debating too early in dev cycles this is not good for games sadly.
Hence the approach Aventurine take is the correct one as long as they have a good product( This is logic most here just don't understand).
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cult /k?lt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhlt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
–adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.
So... which definition of cult are you using. Sure the DarkFall community fits into definition 2, but so do people who buy home gyms! So does everyone who is willing to devote many hours a day to a game, like so many people who play mmos.
Edit: Pinkcat is not wise, for Pinkcat has made a ludicrous statement. Many flames have been aimed at both the trolls and the fanbois (the two extremists on these forums). Neither of these are known for speaking with much common sense. After all, how would Pinkcat explain the occurence of flame wars, in which two people flame each other. Do flamers use common sense when posting?
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Because it has problems either from the game itself or the Dev team.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
Actually it's being realistic, you need to open your eyes and see the world today, in regards to the MMO world look at how much it costs to market, then add those expenses to the cost to make the game and hire the teams of devs, then think about the last couple of games released that DID loads of marketing (WAR and AoC), how well did they do? how much PROFIT do you think they made after the bills were paid?
lastly i'd like to add that WORD OF MOUTH is the best form of advertisement there is.
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
I would think that if you had taken out millions of dollars in loans to develope a game, you would consider yourself pretty poor. Hmm, why go to American and German conventions with something that can be better polished in time for a convention that you do not need to pay travel expenses or speak in a forign language for, hmm....
Oh, I think it is worth mentioning that the OP is a confirmed troll who has now posted at least 5 threads to that end.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
well good luck with your cult, Just remember don't drink the koolaid if you find your self in some small south american village. lol
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Huge marketing campaign = lots of money spent that must be somehow recovered. Also, by aiming for a niche market that they basically will have a corner on at launch, they have insured that anyone hearing of their game within that market will look into it. This leaves getting the word out. Since their market is internet based and generally found on mmos and their forums, a viral campaign can reach most of them rather quickly. Basically, the internet allows them to reach their market far more directly than any other form of adveritising, and with so many games, that their market is tired of, that look similar in ad banners, their market is likely to ignore such a method.
I'm sorry but this is such a canned answer, Are they so god dam poor that they can't put out some type of marketing gimmick....please. Why where they a no show at PAX in seattle, where were they at the German convention....But they go to a no name convention that no one cares or heard about WHY, because its in there own back yard and they would look like fools if they did not make a no show there. Get real Darkfall fanboys, open your eyes to what is real.
I would think that if you had taken out millions of dollars in loans to develope a game, you would consider yourself pretty poor. Hmm, why go to American and German conventions with something that can be better polished in time for a convention that you do not need to pay travel expenses or speak in a forign language for, hmm....
Oh, I think it is worth mentioning that the OP is a confirmed troll who has now posted at least 5 threads to that end.
So you are saying there poor as dirt, No money...no game. thanks for clearing that up for me. There pathic advertisement is for you tools to spread the word. and after years what do you have...nothing. Face the facts Duke Nukem and Darkfall have much in common, both fail to deliver and are the joke of the gaming industry.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I mean no offence by this reply.
Why do you view the Darkfall community as a cult? judging by how you seem to define a cult means that ANY community of ANY kind is a cult.. Just because some people have hopes for something new that they are looking forward to and hoping won't be all lies like what happened with AoC, doesn't mean they are a cult.
On a side note are you a WoW player by any chance?
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Just noticed your post above this and if you think Duke Nukem was a failure then you seriously are deluded, Duke Nukem 3D was a big seller and i can garuntee that there are people out there still playign it today.
No I don't play wow, Tried it for three weeks and i have to say its not a very good game IMO. As far as the cult thing, its mostly said in jest. but you got to wonder the peoples mindset when they worship and follow a game for how many years (7 or 8). one or two years i can see but dam !!!! Some call it passion, I call it odd. If you blindly follow something expecting the Holy Grail, your in for one hell of a let down. Better to just move on and get on with your gaming fix, If and when it comes out then go back and check it out .
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fair enough m8, i apologise about the WoW thing, too used to the immature posters from that game that argue about other games they don't play or intent to.
I personaly haven't been following the info on Darkfall that long, maybe a month at most (to present date), MMORPG's aint really been my thing since about 5 months after NGE hit Star Wars Galaxies. Played trials of a few, played LotRo for a year and currently on and off CoX due to my commitments in the Call of Duty 4 clan i'm Deputy Leader of.
I try not to overhype Darkfall personaly though, after being let down and after i wasted money on Vanguard and AoC i'm a trial before i buy now anyways. I'm just hoping Darkfall can pull off the features they promise.
I have to disagree with everything being said about how it was a good thing that they did not go to conventions. Conventions are not only to get the word of the game out to the community, it is not for players to go and check out new games. It is also for companies to go and check out what other companies are doing, Learn new stuff and technics. See what the latest technology is. Maybe even get some new partners to help out and make the game better. Conventions are GREAT for developers. It is a very wise idea for developers to go to conventions. Yes they could use that time polishing the game. But you could be learning how to polish it even better!
I however agree word of mouth is the best way to get the game out. It also has a higher chance of getting players to actually get the game. Tho it would also be wise to advertise the game a little before lauch. It would be unwise to advertise the game when it is a long ways away. So what the company behind darkfall(Aventurine?) is doing is good and correct.
P.S. Be aware of the hype killer! It is out to kill!
Cause maybe they dont want to give away too much like in the old days when you didnt hear about the games secrets and wasteful marketing when the money can be used for more content.? Perhaps and they have said they want the player to figure out whats in the game on their own instead of showing everything before its even released.
Why does everygame need to be hyped? The last 2 games with all the major hype was AOC and WAR both failed games in my eyes... one tried to appease the eyes on graphics and failed on content and lied about their features and the other one from all the posts Ive been seeing is not enough content or enough people playing...so really why waste that money for advertising when that money can be all stuffed into more content for the game.?
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
And then we see alot of people prefer game his friend is playing and then we see those persons with that "business thinking" you describe that would lead to fire Tasos looking like donkeys or monkeys..
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Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
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Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.
Let's think about this for a second. An indy company that doesn't have much marketing. Hmm that is unheard of. Last I checked they have been giving interviews to greek media and will be presenting the game at Athens Digital Week. How are they hiding it?
Sure they don't have DF slapped on every magazine, but why would the magazines want it? DF is pretty much unknown in mainstream gaming. I mean it's not like we have had many huge releases recently like Spore, SC2, Fallout 3, WAR. The intended audience already knows about DF and intends to play it. Just use common sense.
If they refused to give interviews then maybe the hiding it arguement would hold water. Maybe you havn't read anything about DF or the interviews?
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1) doesnt have much of a marketing branch....
2) if they dont hype it, then it wont be a massive dissapointment. If they dont hype it and it turns into a great game, then they can lol at everyone
3) they dont care about marketing, they already have a good, solid group of gamers behind them
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I have seen that they did a review with a local newspaper and showed off some of the game to them as to why they wouldn't do so with other media I wouldn't think it mattered much until they are ready for an actual open beta or release considering they aren't "advertising" this game has really strong buzz so I think I to would probably avoid main stream media until a later point in production.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I don't think they are hiding it, they just aren't willing to spend large amounts of money on advertising.
Having a stall at a gaming convention cost several hundred thousand dollars.
Also being that it is made in Greece and has no US publisher must make it much harder to get coverage in the gaming media as most of it is based in the US. No company would pay to send a journalist all the way to Greece to report on a small companies title.
It's the same for all small companies, trolls just use it as reason to bash the game without looking at the whole picture or looking at what Aventurine does in comparison to other small studios.
Big publishers invite journalists to expensive events to promote their games.
To promote Red Alert 3 EA took a large party of journalists on a free trip to Russia where they held a vodka binge in a decommissioned nuclear bunker. That's the kind of cash it takes to get media coverage, it's not free.
I have seen that they did a review with a local newspaper and showed off some of the game to them as to why they wouldn't do so with other media I wouldn't think it mattered much until they are ready for an actual open beta or release considering they aren't "advertising" this game has really strong buzz so I think I to would probably avoid main stream media until a later point in production.
The Aventurine approach to DFO marketing is accurate and correct, they will market heavily probably 6 months to 1 year after launch. Now for a little education, Aventurine are heavily sponsored by the Greek government as they work in a developing IT market within Greece. So they sponsor events and also promote educational events , such as the up and coming Athens digital week. The articles within the localised environments are probably things they have to do as commitments to ensure that they get the said subsidies.
It is pretty simple really but the demanding culture that the Internet expects, prior to the right delivery points within a development cycle causes Issues, such as fans and haters debating too early in dev cycles this is not good for games sadly.
Hence the approach Aventurine take is the correct one as long as they have a good product( This is logic most here just don't understand).
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It's not the advertising. It's everything in Darkfall being so secretive and obscure. I wont go into why I think it is so.
heh i wouldnt worry about it if i was you