It's not the advertising. It's everything in Darkfall being so secretive and obscure. I wont go into why I think it is so.
I will.
It's because they do not have half of the shit they've been hyping for the last 7 years working in any way shape or form.
This my friends I gurantee you 100%.
Otherwise you would not have seen another scripted trailer showing nothing more than a basic , generic combat simulator after all those years of work.
You would have seen REAL gameplay footage of an actual person sitting down and playing the game , using the interface , demonstrating some quest , demonstrating PvP.. on a much more personal and intimate level that properly reflects how a REAL person would play the game..
Instead they shoved out another 100% scripted video of bits and pieces sewn together with 95% of it all having been seen before in the past in shorter clips.
For those of you that are saying word-of mouth is a valid method of marketing ... yes it is if you're a small business. Darkfall is an MMO. It is supposed to be MASSIVE by its very nature. You are not going to get huge numbers of players simply by hoping someone puts in a good word for you on a few forums, even in a global medium like the internet. Anyone with a basic grasp of business will tell you this.
For those of you that are saying word-of mouth is a valid method of marketing ... yes it is if you're a small business. Darkfall is an MMO. It is supposed to be MASSIVE by its very nature. You are not going to get huge numbers of players simply by hoping someone puts in a good word for you on a few forums, even in a global medium like the internet. Anyone with a basic grasp of business will tell you this.
it's website has 150k+ users on its forums, just from word of mouth. they have a product loaded with features that makes it uncomparible to anything out on the market right now. people are starved for something new, and especially something with all of these features. what small % of people actually register on a forum for a game that isn't out yet? i know darkfall's my first. out of my six IRL friens who've been waiting for this to come out forever, none besides me have registered for the forums. This thing's going to be a lot bigger than a lot of people realize.
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Well they already have numbers via "viral methods" - so I really don't see the point here. 140k on the forums and 100k+ signed for beta. Those numbers speak for themselves.
It's not the advertising. It's everything in Darkfall being so secretive and obscure. I wont go into why I think it is so.
I will.
It's because they do not have half of the shit they've been hyping for the last 7 years working in any way shape or form.
Proof ?
This my friends I gurantee you 100%.
How ? any proof ?
Otherwise you would not have seen another scripted trailer showing nothing more than a basic , generic combat simulator after all those years of work.
Like much to spread wrong info ? community had a poll about what they wished to seen in video and that was shown.
You would have seen REAL gameplay footage of an actual person sitting down and playing the game , using the interface , demonstrating some quest , demonstrating PvP.. on a much more personal and intimate level that properly reflects how a REAL person would play the game..
care to show me a video of a developer that shows a video like you describe ? The video is officially called "Game play trailer" you know what that means?
Instead they shoved out another 100% scripted video of bits and pieces sewn together with 95% of it all having been seen before in the past in shorter clips.
Liar.
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Originally posted by Zayne3145 For those of you that are saying word-of mouth is a valid method of marketing ... yes it is if you're a small business. Darkfall is an MMO. It is supposed to be MASSIVE by its very nature. You are not going to get huge numbers of players simply by hoping someone puts in a good word for you on a few forums, even in a global medium like the internet. Anyone with a basic grasp of business will tell you this.
They already are massive in numbers.
Either your concept of numbers is really screwed up, or maybe you think they need 10mill like WOW to be successful?
Before WOW the biggest mmorpgs had maybe 200k subs, which is more than enough to call it massive and have a very successful business.
games like darkfall that have new ideas and things they want to surprise ppl with in a good way why splash it all over websites . lets face it not nameing the games but some splash thier game features and glitz all over sites like this then when released they are disapointments and not finished i just say lets let em get it to pre order then we will prob see a few new shots and details .
If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible? Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide?? It would only help not hurt... unless of course.... there's something to hide. =X
The response from the devs is that they are a small group of programmers who are making the game. They don't have the resources of the bigger companys and they don't have a PR department to advertise the game or update the website.
They will be showcasing the game at a Greek convention soon though so we should get some new information. We hope...
If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible? Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide?? It would only help not hurt... unless of course.... there's something to hide. =X
The response from the devs is that they are a small group of programmers who are making the game. They don't have the resources of the bigger companys and they don't have a PR department to advertise the game or update the website.
They will be showcasing the game at a Greek convention soon though so we should get some new information. We hope...
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.
No advertising = lying now?
I mean it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying like AoC developers did, in a reply to what Thoric said.
It's no brainy this one. Tasos has said several years ago that they wont advertise this game more than mouth to mouth and doing some interviews now and then.
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Well they already have numbers via "viral methods" - so I really don't see the point here. 140k on the forums and 100k+ signed for beta. Those numbers speak for themselves.
That would be sufficient IF that would translate to an equal number of subscriptions. It won't. It's aso not 140k signd up for forums and 100k+ signed up for beta. It's 140k signed up for forums 100k+ of which signed up for beta. Will it be enough to get the game oiff to a good start? No way of knowing.
Sandbox games are always more survivable than level based linear games. Being aimed at the PvP population (who are treated like the red-headed stepchildren of the MMO community) it was be more of a niche game anyway.
If this game is really as good and complete as they say it is then why does it look like they do their very best to hide it from everyone as much as possible? Why don't they let all the gaming sites and editors into the game right now to play test and write their reviews?? If the game is as good as they say than what do they have to hide?? It would only help not hurt... unless of course.... there's something to hide. =X
Oh tenspotting, I don't think he's posted one thread that hasn't been related to bashing Darkfall...
No one is hiding this game. They aren't going out of their way to get you to pre-order it and suck up all your money. Anyone who goes through the area they let you go in and play it if you contact them ahead of time. They say the game will speak for itself.
Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining.
As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest.
Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.
For those of you that are saying word-of mouth is a valid method of marketing ... yes it is if you're a small business. Darkfall is an MMO. It is supposed to be MASSIVE by its very nature. You are not going to get huge numbers of players simply by hoping someone puts in a good word for you on a few forums, even in a global medium like the internet. Anyone with a basic grasp of business will tell you this.
yet it has a strong following. hell you've heard of it. everyone at mmorpg.com has heard of it (lolz owned). all my friends know of it (because of me!) . DF has strong word of mouth advertising.
Why spend money advertising when most of the ppl that will buy the game are already hyped to the sky about it? Waste of money at this point.
Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining. As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest. Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.
Your second paragraph is, under-supported, exaggerated, opinionated, pessimistic speculation. So, why is it the longest paragraph in your post?
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining. As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest. Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.
You are showing your lack of understanding with respect to Development cycles of games, The developers have been honest all along it is conjecture from the community that missrepresents reality. (You are allowed to address Issues and change scope in a Dev Cycle and time lines are allowed to change, regardless of what is said it is called circumstance)
As to credibility I believe they have a lot. Pretty much everything you have said above just is not true, not sure what planet you live on.
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They're not hiding anything.. They are focusing on development.
They've been focusing on development for the last 7 years now.
Maybe they should focus on release instead?
though i wont be playing darkfall this is why you fail OP. they dont care about you they care about there game. They just want it to have a good response on launch not a buggy nightmare that you see on these mmos today. They dont have to worry about schedules for right now seeing as well they know only about 20K to 100K people will play this game EVER so they dont need to launch a hot mess. I want to say there not in it for the money and just the experiance but im sure the money is nice too.
I will not try to defend eq2pvpsucks' claim, since it is only a possibilty, even the devs have said so. However, since gear will be pretty unimportant in df, this should not serve as a deterrent to the casual gamer. Replacing your lost gear will be very easy.
Oh and Aventurine doesn't care about the size of a convention. That said, they are a small company and as such a small convention would actually be more appropriate imo.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Yeah they were even hiding it while live playtesting it at ADW. Tasos was dancing with a red thong to drag people's attention away from the game. Shaar didn't film him so that he can fool us that that they were really showing the game to people.
It's the only logical explanation, HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!!! SEE THE TRUTH!!!! LOLZORZKROFLMAOTHXBAI
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I will.
It's because they do not have half of the shit they've been hyping for the last 7 years working in any way shape or form.
This my friends I gurantee you 100%.
Otherwise you would not have seen another scripted trailer showing nothing more than a basic , generic combat simulator after all those years of work.
You would have seen REAL gameplay footage of an actual person sitting down and playing the game , using the interface , demonstrating some quest , demonstrating PvP.. on a much more personal and intimate level that properly reflects how a REAL person would play the game..
Instead they shoved out another 100% scripted video of bits and pieces sewn together with 95% of it all having been seen before in the past in shorter clips.
For those of you that are saying word-of mouth is a valid method of marketing ... yes it is if you're a small business. Darkfall is an MMO. It is supposed to be MASSIVE by its very nature. You are not going to get huge numbers of players simply by hoping someone puts in a good word for you on a few forums, even in a global medium like the internet. Anyone with a basic grasp of business will tell you this.
it's website has 150k+ users on its forums, just from word of mouth. they have a product loaded with features that makes it uncomparible to anything out on the market right now. people are starved for something new, and especially something with all of these features. what small % of people actually register on a forum for a game that isn't out yet? i know darkfall's my first. out of my six IRL friens who've been waiting for this to come out forever, none besides me have registered for the forums. This thing's going to be a lot bigger than a lot of people realize.
Well they already have numbers via "viral methods" - so I really don't see the point here. 140k on the forums and 100k+ signed for beta. Those numbers speak for themselves.
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I will.
It's because they do not have half of the shit they've been hyping for the last 7 years working in any way shape or form.
Proof ?
This my friends I gurantee you 100%.
How ? any proof ?
Otherwise you would not have seen another scripted trailer showing nothing more than a basic , generic combat simulator after all those years of work.
Like much to spread wrong info ? community had a poll about what they wished to seen in video and that was shown.
You would have seen REAL gameplay footage of an actual person sitting down and playing the game , using the interface , demonstrating some quest , demonstrating PvP.. on a much more personal and intimate level that properly reflects how a REAL person would play the game..
care to show me a video of a developer that shows a video like you describe ? The video is officially called "Game play trailer" you know what that means?
Instead they shoved out another 100% scripted video of bits and pieces sewn together with 95% of it all having been seen before in the past in shorter clips.
Liar.
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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They already are massive in numbers.
Either your concept of numbers is really screwed up, or maybe you think they need 10mill like WOW to be successful?
Before WOW the biggest mmorpgs had maybe 200k subs, which is more than enough to call it massive and have a very successful business.
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Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
games like darkfall that have new ideas and things they want to surprise ppl with in a good way why splash it all over websites . lets face it not nameing the games but some splash thier game features and glitz all over sites like this then when released they are disapointments and not finished i just say lets let em get it to pre order then we will prob see a few new shots and details .
The response from the devs is that they are a small group of programmers who are making the game. They don't have the resources of the bigger companys and they don't have a PR department to advertise the game or update the website.
They will be showcasing the game at a Greek convention soon though so we should get some new information. We hope...
The response from the devs is that they are a small group of programmers who are making the game. They don't have the resources of the bigger companys and they don't have a PR department to advertise the game or update the website.
They will be showcasing the game at a Greek convention soon though so we should get some new information. We hope...
the 16th!!!
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.
No advertising = lying now?
Then this person should be fired because anyone who says this has the business sense of a Cow and should not be producing anything that is supposed to make $.
Yeah, all those people that played that POS called Age of Conan, were soothed by the thought how much money Funcom will be able to get thanks to the hype.
Welll it's possible to do a minimum advertising without lying too. Wouldn't hurt, if it's not overly expensive.
No advertising = lying now?
Exactly, the 100k+ signed for beta are just the most rapid fans. If the game don't dissappoint at launch, number of subs will be at least 200k.
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Webdeveloper on:
http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
Surely that is counter-productive? I can understand not wanting to whip up a hype-storm ala WAR or AoC, but unless they start a huge marketing campaign prior to launch they're not going to get the numbers via viral methods only.
Well they already have numbers via "viral methods" - so I really don't see the point here. 140k on the forums and 100k+ signed for beta. Those numbers speak for themselves.
That would be sufficient IF that would translate to an equal number of subscriptions. It won't. It's aso not 140k signd up for forums and 100k+ signed up for beta. It's 140k signed up for forums 100k+ of which signed up for beta. Will it be enough to get the game oiff to a good start? No way of knowing.
Sandbox games are always more survivable than level based linear games. Being aimed at the PvP population (who are treated like the red-headed stepchildren of the MMO community) it was be more of a niche game anyway.
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well, we'll all find out in 3 days, hopefully. If not...beta should be this year (coming 2008)
they have to be doing something, or else they would have hyped it up to make money fast, like AoC
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Nothing wrong with the game keeping it low at this moment, there is no game yet. Once this game reaches the open beta stage, it will matter.
Oh tenspotting, I don't think he's posted one thread that hasn't been related to bashing Darkfall...
No one is hiding this game. They aren't going out of their way to get you to pre-order it and suck up all your money. Anyone who goes through the area they let you go in and play it if you contact them ahead of time. They say the game will speak for itself.
Whaaaa, and honest company??
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Usually companies aren't too open about their games because things change a lot and if something is different from what was promised, people throw a fit. Mythic was open about WAR and then cut some stuff that they didn't even need to mention at all, and people were complaining.
As far as Darkfall, it has been in development for so long, promises made, and broken, they can't afford to say anything and then change because it would kill what little credibility they have left. Also, might be a lot of smoke and mirrors still about this game. Beta has been imminent for several years now, hehe. Even if beta is about (or has started) it will be going on for a while since it has to be the early stages. If all goes well, probably at least 2 years for release, which is not good considering all the time spent so far. Things are bleak, but people are hopeful. They just can't afford to disclose anything. Better to keep things under wraps and people interested, than revealing all and crushing interest.
Things always change, so never really a good idea to be too open about one's game.
yet it has a strong following. hell you've heard of it. everyone at mmorpg.com has heard of it (lolz owned). all my friends know of it (because of me!) . DF has strong word of mouth advertising.
Why spend money advertising when most of the ppl that will buy the game are already hyped to the sky about it? Waste of money at this point.
Wait 3 days and you'll hear even more
Your second paragraph is, under-supported, exaggerated, opinionated, pessimistic speculation. So, why is it the longest paragraph in your post?
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
You are showing your lack of understanding with respect to Development cycles of games, The developers have been honest all along it is conjecture from the community that missrepresents reality. (You are allowed to address Issues and change scope in a Dev Cycle and time lines are allowed to change, regardless of what is said it is called circumstance)
As to credibility I believe they have a lot. Pretty much everything you have said above just is not true, not sure what planet you live on.
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They're not hiding anything.. They are focusing on development.
They've been focusing on development for the last 7 years now.
Maybe they should focus on release instead?
They've been focusing on development for the last 7 years now.
Maybe they should focus on release instead?
though i wont be playing darkfall this is why you fail OP. they dont care about you they care about there game. They just want it to have a good response on launch not a buggy nightmare that you see on these mmos today. They dont have to worry about schedules for right now seeing as well they know only about 20K to 100K people will play this game EVER so they dont need to launch a hot mess. I want to say there not in it for the money and just the experiance but im sure the money is nice too.
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I will not try to defend eq2pvpsucks' claim, since it is only a possibilty, even the devs have said so. However, since gear will be pretty unimportant in df, this should not serve as a deterrent to the casual gamer. Replacing your lost gear will be very easy.
Oh and Aventurine doesn't care about the size of a convention. That said, they are a small company and as such a small convention would actually be more appropriate imo.
I am a skeptical supporter of DF. I am not a fanboi nor a troll. I seek the truth in every discussion, and I am truly sorry if I mistakenly state a fallacy.
Yeah they were even hiding it while live playtesting it at ADW. Tasos was dancing with a red thong to drag people's attention away from the game. Shaar didn't film him so that he can fool us that that they were really showing the game to people.
It's the only logical explanation, HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!!! SEE THE TRUTH!!!! LOLZORZKROFLMAOTHXBAI
Just substituting TenSpotting.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."