MMO after MMO has seen this firestorm of bad player reviews and quick subscriber number drops because WoW has set a new standard of playability for MMOs and none of the new generation have been able to reach that bar yet. It's not like WoW players won't play another game, hell most of them try something else often due to the fact that they play WoW so much that they max out their tolerance for it before the next expansion can come out.
The problem is newer games have not even come close to being as playable, or as fun as WoW is. All of these new games were either in production right before WoW came our or shortly after, and they all thought it was this huge gravy train that they were going to get in on if they just said the magic letters M M O. Well, most of them didn't realize you actually had to have a "good" game to make money off it.
Some of them went off the everquest standard that the game could be as buggy as hell to launch as long as there was a long term plan for the game and it was marginally fun. Others were buggy and not fun at all and completely crashed and burned.
If you want to make a comparison, WoW has the same buisiness format as the movie "Titanic." Make something with a little bit of everything in it that is going to appeal to a wide variety of people and make it easily available to everyone, but most important start with a huge budget and make sure you research what people want first. Yeah it might get panned because it is not as critically acclaimed as some of the other material out there, but at it's base it appeals to the public, and that's what drives sales.
There has been room for some smaller niche games that focus more on the sandbox feel or more group based adventuring, but all of these end up doing one of two things, either making the game so technically advanced it won't run properly on 90% of computers, or they don't hold true to their concept, see the behemoth sales WoW has, and tries to change the gameplay in the first month of release and ending up with a swamp of poor gameplay traits that no one wants to mess with.
Hopefully since we've had this wave of post WoW launch MMOs now that have crashed and burned, the other games that have just started development will learn some lessons, and we don't get the steaming pile of games that we've had over the last couple years.
Ever since WoW games have been "rushed" to the market. VG was rushed. AOC was rushed. War is no exception...clearly it was rushed. Any bets Stargate Worlds and every other up and coming new release is rushed and unfinished buggy messes. Sooner or later the developers and the publishers will wake up and realize that this is no long a new genre and that the people that they are targeting to play their games will not play them if they are not good games right out of the box. Wish to play an exceptional game try - M&B . Without a doubt the best game to come along in years.
Mount and Blade is a good concept, but still is a mediocre game. I don't understand the people touting it as TEH BEST GAEM EVA.
Huh? Are you joking? M&B is not a mediocre game...game is by far way better in its beta stage than most games are at release. The combat is fun and you're not spamming little boxes to do your attacks and it takes skill to actually get good and deadly with some of the weapons like the bow and crossbow. Shooting a bow from horseback in M&B is challanging and fun. The whole game is fun to play. Lots and I mean lots of verious weapons to choose from - all with their own forms of attack - pros and cons. You can raise an army, get a castle. lay seige to your enemies and actually participate in the seiges and command troops. It is like Planetside but its gone medieval! Game rocks...seriously. If I had the money I'd license the engine, and hire programmers to tweak it and turn it into an MMORPG.
than don't play it... does coming on here and bitching and crying make the game any more fun for you?
since when did people take up this mentality that just because THEY don't like a game, it is sooo important to come to the forums and cry about it to the point all you ever read on these sites is thread after thread of complete negativity and "this game is so bad, the people who made it should all be fired because I don't like it!!"
sad sad days in the mmo world.
Because people who've payed for the game and found they didn't like it have just as much right to come to forums and express their views as those who played and do enjoy it. Forums do not cater to only one point of view... regardless of the wishes of some of their members.
I do think the OP should have stayed away from using the word "fact" to support his opinions; can't stand it when anyone does that. But, it is still his opinion and he has a right to express it whether you or anyone else agrees with him or not.
Whether it's someone saying it's the best game in the world, or it's someone saying it's the worst, the result is the same: It's their opinion and you don't have to agree.
On that note, it's an equally sad day when some people who like the game want to silence the views of those who don't.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
WoW fanbois are so scared...so much so that they have pulled every avalible troll and paid shill off whatever game they are currently bashing to focus on WAR.
OP is spot on, although for me that's not the main reason for not logging ingame for 5 days now.
Scenarios are the reason why people are leaving the game. Opening the map to search for some RvR is totally useless, no one ever does it. People just wait by warcamps waiting to join scenarios all day. It's pathetic.
Paul said WAR would be everywhere. How wrong can one be.
Most ppl wanna hit R40 ASAP. Chaining scenarios is the most efficient way to level, so that's what players do.
Ayep... 'cause that's what the players have reduced this genre to... speed leveling to end-game, so they can gloat for a time... before they begin to complain about the lack of content.
When people started asking for faster leveling, complaining that it was too slow, stating that all the content they were "forced to do" on the way up was just to slow them down. Or they complained that quests didn't give enough xp, this didn't give enough xp, that didn't give enough xp, etc. etc. In light of all that, it became apparent (at least to me) where the genre was heading.
Sure enough, each new MMO that's come out has watered down what content there was while increasing ways to reward xp, for even the most miniscule things (discovery xp, hello...).
And now here we are! MMOs that are little more than "who can get to end-game the fastest".
Surprise, surprise.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
WoW fanbois are so scared...so much so that they have pulled every avalible troll and paid shill off whatever game they are currently bashing to focus on WAR. Too funny.
What makes you think we only play WoW?
I am a L2 player, for example, and I'm dissapointed with the Mythic's casual approach. Just because some people are simply dissapointed, that doesn't make them WoW fanbois.
Originally posted by Raztor OP is spot on, although for me that's not the main reason for not logging ingame for 5 days now.
Scenarios are the reason why people are leaving the game. Opening the map to search for some RvR is totally useless, no one ever does it. People just wait by warcamps waiting to join scenarios all day. It's pathetic.
Paul said WAR would be everywhere. How wrong can one be.
Well, during those five days you should have at least read the herald. Open-RvR experince has been boosted 50%, so you get 1.5x what you'd get in a scenario for a kill. In addition, they have 'more changes' planned for next week.
So, if you want some open rvr, actually log on and try to form a warband to take over a keep. I know I was a bit bored the other night until my guildie started a keep raid up, next thing you know there's 5 of us trying to take over a keep with a few order defending, then it was 10v5, then 10v10, then 15v15...it just kept growing, and it was some crazy fun chaos. Just wish we had that +50% bonus to exp that night!
WoW fanbois are so scared...so much so that they have pulled every avalible troll and paid shill off whatever game they are currently bashing to focus on WAR. Too funny.
Ummm...
First of all, why do you assume that because they don't like WAR, they're automatically "WoW fanbois?"
Second... Think about what you said. And now let me shed some light on it.
Immediately after WoW's launch, Blizzard had to actually stop boxes being sent to stores until they could add more servers, because the ones they launched with weren't enough to sustain all the new players coming in.
WoW blew past Blizzards 1st year estimates of where the game would be, population wise, in like.. its first month or so.
WoW has, last I checked, millions of players.
In case you don't see where I'm going with all this... I'll sum it up..
WoW players have nothing to fear from *any* MMO right now. They haven't for years now. I suspect they won't for some time to come.
So, whatever reasons WoW players in p articular might have to bash WAR... I *highly* doubt it has anything to do with "fear" of what WAR will do to it.
And I say this as someone who isn't particularly a fan of WoW. I just see things as they are.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The reason why WoW is so successful is the fact that they opened up the market far more than any single MMORPG in existence. Almost every teenage kid who plays computer games that i've talked to, have played/are still playing WoW. For many of them it's their first MMORPG. That's why WoW is revolutionary, they changed the way people look at online games and most importantly changed the online community. Which is why we see so many know-it-all dipsh**s who think they're hot stuff because they have so and so achievements in WoW.
Anyways the OP has his own opinion about WAR and from what i've seen, it really does look like a darker and slightly more expanded version of WoW. People will obviously bring up so and so unique features of WAR but that's why I said expanded. Evolution. WAR is hyped up way too much, i'll probably still play it anyways but it def won't be long term, more like a stop gap until something really immersive comes out. Admitedly I am more into sandbox games rather than preset factions and rules.
I wanted to like the game, but it just wasn't happening. The PQ's would have been fun with a dedicated 8 people, but nobody seems to do PQ's on my server. I mean every PQ in one area, then go to the next chapter, that's what I was hoping for. It just seems kinda empty. I'm now back with Eve-online, and although there are no boss fights in EVE, unless you do the missions. I find that just building stuff in the game is kinda rewarding, and I can put it down, then I can come back, and still advance a bit because of the skill system.
The other thing I didn't like was the lag spikes. I have a solid machine, 512 ATI card 4gigs or memory dual core. I really wanted to see what taking down a keep was all about. I can have an 80v80 ship fight in EVE with more FPS then a 20v20 fight in Warhammer. I was building/shooting cannons just to enjoy the game in a more fluid state. Forget about casting a spell on the first floor of a keep; where everyone is located, it turns into a massive slide show. I can have more people in WOW AV and it's still smoother. The scenarios did have better FPS in my opinion, even though there is no fps meter to pull up in Warhammer. But world PVP hurts.
BTW this is not an EVE-Online plug, there are boring parts of that game too.
I feel kinda bad, I know that there are good programmers out there. It's just AOC was a letdown and now Warhammer is also.
Same boat here i have waited the game for a long time but it feel like playing a lesser version of WoW . 3/4 of all scenario are badly designed .
T3 killed it even more for me , tor anroc is such a disgusting scenario where the only ability you use are knocback ( into lava ) and other scenario are even crapier ( run around doing nothing but killing so u end up 100/50 giving no xp bonus ) so ppl dont even play them .
So ya , 4 great BGs > 20 crap scenario . So im back to wow with 1 of my buds we are using the 3x xp and i have some fun playing mmo again .
Dudes like, what's your problem? You don't like it? That's why account cancelation has been created, i'm kinda tired of reading whiners say this and say that about everything, war is in inicial fase. Stop Whining!
Don't Like it? Leave and Shut up, people are not in forums to read your complains. if you have any complain go to warhammer.com and contact the technical team ffs...
Roses are gray Violets are green, I love your legs... And what's BETWEEN!
you people are something else. you dont play mmo's, you just bitch and moan about them and hope you can persuade people not to play them. warhammer online is a good game, even if a game is flawless someone will say its crap and full of bugs. The new influx of players to mmo's has ruined the mmo genre..you are all horrible horrible people.
Everybody has the right to voice their opinion, and OP with 7 more pages of people delivered the message that WAR suck. It's not like the OP just felt like trolling a bit. He delivered a very good statement.
I did not get the chance to play much yet because I had too many performance issues. I will make up my mind later when Mythic got around to fix their code. Be however sure that if I don't like it you will hear my voice and you have no right to try and stop me either.
I can understand the dissapointment. I loved it a first but I think I was just so desperate to find something new to play. I still think it's better than most with a lot of promise but they have a lot of issues to work on. And when I realized that the PvE just seemed to be slapped together.. it left a bad taste in my mouth. : Still I'd give this game a 7/10.
My problem isn't with the fact that people don't like the game. I could care less if other people don't like it, that's they're decision. I also have no problem with complaints about bugs and performance issues. My problem is the fact that the people who don't like WAR for whatever reason throw out childish insults about the people who do enjoy the game. When people throw out insults, it discredits they're entire post, so legitimate issues that they might bring to light go unnoticed because all people can remember is the "only retards could enjoy this sh*t" rubbish.
than don't play it... does coming on here and bitching and crying make the game any more fun for you?
since when did people take up this mentality that just because THEY don't like a game, it is sooo important to come to the forums and cry about it to the point all you ever read on these sites is thread after thread of complete negativity and "this game is so bad, the people who made it should all be fired because I don't like it!!"
sad sad days in the mmo world.
We can say the same about you. Is it sooo important you come here and whine about what he says?? If you dont care why did you even bother to post in here??? Dont be the pot calling the kettle black that kind of hypocrisy makes me annoyed
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR.
Watch that.
Think about what you watched.
Now answer this simple question:
Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game?
Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years.
Specifically:
-24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless.
-"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe.
-PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail.
-Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone?
-Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it?
-Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system.
-Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies)
-Economy: very weak (see crafting)
-We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc.
BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario)
WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits)
I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back)
So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay.
(For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)
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What's this "Pure PvP game" you speak of? Certainly not WAR.
i agree warhammer sucks...everybody should just wait for WOTLK instead of getting that.
MMO after MMO has seen this firestorm of bad player reviews and quick subscriber number drops because WoW has set a new standard of playability for MMOs and none of the new generation have been able to reach that bar yet. It's not like WoW players won't play another game, hell most of them try something else often due to the fact that they play WoW so much that they max out their tolerance for it before the next expansion can come out.
The problem is newer games have not even come close to being as playable, or as fun as WoW is. All of these new games were either in production right before WoW came our or shortly after, and they all thought it was this huge gravy train that they were going to get in on if they just said the magic letters M M O. Well, most of them didn't realize you actually had to have a "good" game to make money off it.
Some of them went off the everquest standard that the game could be as buggy as hell to launch as long as there was a long term plan for the game and it was marginally fun. Others were buggy and not fun at all and completely crashed and burned.
If you want to make a comparison, WoW has the same buisiness format as the movie "Titanic." Make something with a little bit of everything in it that is going to appeal to a wide variety of people and make it easily available to everyone, but most important start with a huge budget and make sure you research what people want first. Yeah it might get panned because it is not as critically acclaimed as some of the other material out there, but at it's base it appeals to the public, and that's what drives sales.
There has been room for some smaller niche games that focus more on the sandbox feel or more group based adventuring, but all of these end up doing one of two things, either making the game so technically advanced it won't run properly on 90% of computers, or they don't hold true to their concept, see the behemoth sales WoW has, and tries to change the gameplay in the first month of release and ending up with a swamp of poor gameplay traits that no one wants to mess with.
Hopefully since we've had this wave of post WoW launch MMOs now that have crashed and burned, the other games that have just started development will learn some lessons, and we don't get the steaming pile of games that we've had over the last couple years.
Not all who wander are lost...
Everyone wants their perfect mmo.
WAR or any mmo released in your lifetime will never be close to your perfect game, I promise you.
WAR may have bugs but it has enough good qualities to be a good game and since it is a good game it will continue to be supported by its fans.
After reading the OPs rant on WAR you can easily realize he isn't looking for Warhammer to play he wants DAoC 2.
Ahh well hope you find a game you enjoy.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Mount and Blade is a good concept, but still is a mediocre game. I don't understand the people touting it as TEH BEST GAEM EVA.
Huh? Are you joking? M&B is not a mediocre game...game is by far way better in its beta stage than most games are at release. The combat is fun and you're not spamming little boxes to do your attacks and it takes skill to actually get good and deadly with some of the weapons like the bow and crossbow. Shooting a bow from horseback in M&B is challanging and fun. The whole game is fun to play. Lots and I mean lots of verious weapons to choose from - all with their own forms of attack - pros and cons. You can raise an army, get a castle. lay seige to your enemies and actually participate in the seiges and command troops. It is like Planetside but its gone medieval! Game rocks...seriously. If I had the money I'd license the engine, and hire programmers to tweak it and turn it into an MMORPG.
Because people who've payed for the game and found they didn't like it have just as much right to come to forums and express their views as those who played and do enjoy it. Forums do not cater to only one point of view... regardless of the wishes of some of their members.
I do think the OP should have stayed away from using the word "fact" to support his opinions; can't stand it when anyone does that. But, it is still his opinion and he has a right to express it whether you or anyone else agrees with him or not.
Whether it's someone saying it's the best game in the world, or it's someone saying it's the worst, the result is the same: It's their opinion and you don't have to agree.
On that note, it's an equally sad day when some people who like the game want to silence the views of those who don't.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
WoW fanbois are so scared...so much so that they have pulled every avalible troll and paid shill off whatever game they are currently bashing to focus on WAR.
Too funny.
Most ppl wanna hit R40 ASAP. Chaining scenarios is the most efficient way to level, so that's what players do.
Ayep... 'cause that's what the players have reduced this genre to... speed leveling to end-game, so they can gloat for a time... before they begin to complain about the lack of content.
When people started asking for faster leveling, complaining that it was too slow, stating that all the content they were "forced to do" on the way up was just to slow them down. Or they complained that quests didn't give enough xp, this didn't give enough xp, that didn't give enough xp, etc. etc. In light of all that, it became apparent (at least to me) where the genre was heading.
Sure enough, each new MMO that's come out has watered down what content there was while increasing ways to reward xp, for even the most miniscule things (discovery xp, hello...).
And now here we are! MMOs that are little more than "who can get to end-game the fastest".
Surprise, surprise.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
What makes you think we only play WoW?
I am a L2 player, for example, and I'm dissapointed with the Mythic's casual approach. Just because some people are simply dissapointed, that doesn't make them WoW fanbois.
Well, during those five days you should have at least read the herald. Open-RvR experince has been boosted 50%, so you get 1.5x what you'd get in a scenario for a kill. In addition, they have 'more changes' planned for next week.
So, if you want some open rvr, actually log on and try to form a warband to take over a keep. I know I was a bit bored the other night until my guildie started a keep raid up, next thing you know there's 5 of us trying to take over a keep with a few order defending, then it was 10v5, then 10v10, then 15v15...it just kept growing, and it was some crazy fun chaos. Just wish we had that +50% bonus to exp that night!
Ummm...
First of all, why do you assume that because they don't like WAR, they're automatically "WoW fanbois?"
Second... Think about what you said. And now let me shed some light on it.
Immediately after WoW's launch, Blizzard had to actually stop boxes being sent to stores until they could add more servers, because the ones they launched with weren't enough to sustain all the new players coming in.
WoW blew past Blizzards 1st year estimates of where the game would be, population wise, in like.. its first month or so.
WoW has, last I checked, millions of players.
In case you don't see where I'm going with all this... I'll sum it up..
WoW players have nothing to fear from *any* MMO right now. They haven't for years now. I suspect they won't for some time to come.
So, whatever reasons WoW players in p articular might have to bash WAR... I *highly* doubt it has anything to do with "fear" of what WAR will do to it.
And I say this as someone who isn't particularly a fan of WoW. I just see things as they are.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The reason why WoW is so successful is the fact that they opened up the market far more than any single MMORPG in existence. Almost every teenage kid who plays computer games that i've talked to, have played/are still playing WoW. For many of them it's their first MMORPG. That's why WoW is revolutionary, they changed the way people look at online games and most importantly changed the online community. Which is why we see so many know-it-all dipsh**s who think they're hot stuff because they have so and so achievements in WoW.
Anyways the OP has his own opinion about WAR and from what i've seen, it really does look like a darker and slightly more expanded version of WoW. People will obviously bring up so and so unique features of WAR but that's why I said expanded. Evolution. WAR is hyped up way too much, i'll probably still play it anyways but it def won't be long term, more like a stop gap until something really immersive comes out. Admitedly I am more into sandbox games rather than preset factions and rules.
I wanted to like the game, but it just wasn't happening. The PQ's would have been fun with a dedicated 8 people, but nobody seems to do PQ's on my server. I mean every PQ in one area, then go to the next chapter, that's what I was hoping for. It just seems kinda empty. I'm now back with Eve-online, and although there are no boss fights in EVE, unless you do the missions. I find that just building stuff in the game is kinda rewarding, and I can put it down, then I can come back, and still advance a bit because of the skill system.
The other thing I didn't like was the lag spikes. I have a solid machine, 512 ATI card 4gigs or memory dual core. I really wanted to see what taking down a keep was all about. I can have an 80v80 ship fight in EVE with more FPS then a 20v20 fight in Warhammer. I was building/shooting cannons just to enjoy the game in a more fluid state. Forget about casting a spell on the first floor of a keep; where everyone is located, it turns into a massive slide show. I can have more people in WOW AV and it's still smoother. The scenarios did have better FPS in my opinion, even though there is no fps meter to pull up in Warhammer. But world PVP hurts.
BTW this is not an EVE-Online plug, there are boring parts of that game too.
I feel kinda bad, I know that there are good programmers out there. It's just AOC was a letdown and now Warhammer is also.
Top 5 worst? It's my top 1 worst. I couldn't be more disappointed. I didn't even last 2-weeks in this stench of a game.
Same boat here i have waited the game for a long time but it feel like playing a lesser version of WoW . 3/4 of all scenario are badly designed .
T3 killed it even more for me , tor anroc is such a disgusting scenario where the only ability you use are knocback ( into lava ) and other scenario are even crapier ( run around doing nothing but killing so u end up 100/50 giving no xp bonus ) so ppl dont even play them .
So ya , 4 great BGs > 20 crap scenario . So im back to wow with 1 of my buds we are using the 3x xp and i have some fun playing mmo again .
I was really 50/50 on this game in beta but now im having more fun then ive had since pre toa DAoC.
This game is awesome so far. Large scale battles are simply epic.
Roses are gray
Violets are green,
I love your legs...
And what's BETWEEN!
you people are something else. you dont play mmo's, you just bitch and moan about them and hope you can persuade people not to play them. warhammer online is a good game, even if a game is flawless someone will say its crap and full of bugs. The new influx of players to mmo's has ruined the mmo genre..you are all horrible horrible people.
Everybody has the right to voice their opinion, and OP with 7 more pages of people delivered the message that WAR suck. It's not like the OP just felt like trolling a bit. He delivered a very good statement.
I did not get the chance to play much yet because I had too many performance issues. I will make up my mind later when Mythic got around to fix their code. Be however sure that if I don't like it you will hear my voice and you have no right to try and stop me either.
That McCain avatar distrubs me... anyway
I can understand the dissapointment. I loved it a first but I think I was just so desperate to find something new to play. I still think it's better than most with a lot of promise but they have a lot of issues to work on. And when I realized that the PvE just seemed to be slapped together.. it left a bad taste in my mouth. : Still I'd give this game a 7/10.
My problem isn't with the fact that people don't like the game. I could care less if other people don't like it, that's they're decision. I also have no problem with complaints about bugs and performance issues. My problem is the fact that the people who don't like WAR for whatever reason throw out childish insults about the people who do enjoy the game. When people throw out insults, it discredits they're entire post, so legitimate issues that they might bring to light go unnoticed because all people can remember is the "only retards could enjoy this sh*t" rubbish.
We can say the same about you. Is it sooo important you come here and whine about what he says?? If you dont care why did you even bother to post in here??? Dont be the pot calling the kettle black that kind of hypocrisy makes me annoyed
No matter what, everyone has to agree that WAR is a much better more polished game than AoC is/was.
I usually lurk in here to get a min/max feel of a given game... but I just had to post about WAR.
Watch that.
Think about what you watched.
Now answer this simple question:
Does ANYTHING Paul says in this interview minimally reflect the reality of the game?
Granted, a lot changes in development... not saying it doesn't nor shouldn't but WAR simply is not the game I waited for for 3 years.
Specifically:
-24 Innovative classes? Not so much. First of all it's 20:2 (10) because of split mechanics (and 4 got cut of course). Secondly, i'm sorry but most (not all) class abilities are very uninsipired, and at least 4 classes (Squig Herder, Magus, Engineer, Shadow Warrior) are broken and useless.
-"There will be not be any namby pamby healer-only classes... cause it's boring!" <-------------- LOL. I don't think there is a more healbot inspired game in the universe.
-PQs. It's been said before but... Epic Epic EPIC fail.
-Scenarios. Got WoW Anyone?
-Open RvR. What RvR? Where is it?
-Crafting is deep and original. No not really... it's standard crafting without recipes, huge interpendence and no tracking system.
-Character customization: None available. Everyone looks EXACTLY the same. Hell on my Archmage main I look almost the same as I did at level 6. (Let's not even get into Trophies)
-Economy: very weak (see crafting)
-We could go on: Huge population imbalances due to poor class development on order side looks wise (and efficiency wise, most destro mirrors are just superior... Bright Wizard excluded). Tons of bugs, lackluster PvE, etc. etc. etc.
BTW all of this is from a T4 Archmage on a high pop server. If you happen to be Destro on a low pop server... add this: And you can never get a Scenario to open! (Fact: I dinged level 20 on a low pop server without EVER being able to join a single scenario)
WAR had enormous potential, they set themselves a very high bar and had some wonderful intuitions. At some point they simplified ( I guess that would be the best term) WAR to a level that it really does feel like WoW: Casual PvP Edition. (not my name for it, but it fits)
I'm not happy about not liking this game (and Tier1 is really fun when you just get into it) but by T3 and certainly by T4 I just can't find any reason not to play WoW instead seeing as it is naturally (after 4 years) more polished in just about every respect. (well except the fact that I haven't played it in a year and have no plans to go back)
So I agree with the OP but the issues he mentions while very annoying wouldn't make me quit the game, what makes me quit the game is tbasic design and development flaws and the uninspiring gameplay.
(For all people that think adding "It's my opinion, not a fact" makes all the difference, then: This post is my opinion not a fact!)