Well I agree, its not an 8.87 in my eyes, however a collective poll of 12 online reviews places it at 89% so it seems like the score might not be that far off, at least among people who bother to rate games. (I don't btw)
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Now I consider myself a mature gamer who is fair when reviewing a game and I certainly don't bash for no reason. However seeing a user rating of 8.87 for WAR it really makes me mad as its so unrealistic and either we have a bunch of gamers who have only played one MMO aka WOW or they are desperately trying to attract more people by blatantly lying about the quality of the game. RATINGS AS FOLLOWS: USER RATING MY RATING GRAPHICS - 8.7 My Rating - 7 Considering the game has graphics that is not up to date, not bad but certainly not 8.7! Initially it was the key let down for me. FUN - 9.4 My Rating - 7 Ok who am I to say if people think the game is fun or but 9.4 Are you freaking kidding me? Is this seriously the most fun in an MMO that you have ever had? GET OUT MORE! SOUND - 8.8 My Rating - 4 8.8 for sound? Ok now this rating has donkey crap all over it. The sound in WAR is borderline pathetic compared to most MMO's out there. AoC has movie quality ambience, EVE even Tabula Rasa crap all over WAR. All I seem to hear are dull drums going off and an odd screech. 8.8 rating? I must be playing a different game. COMMUNITY - 8.6 My Rating - 4 Community may differ on each server but this game has the worst community I have ever come across. Is it the players fault? No. Its the set up of the game. There is no default global chat and unless you are in a guild there is no way of knowing what the hell is going on. Met some nice people but the game does not have an overall community feel. ROLE PLAYING - 8.5 My Rating - 2 Now this is funny. Role Playing 8.5? Based on a 1000 votes as well. Come one people are you seriously giving this game 8.5 for RP? PERFORMANCE / LAG - 8.8 My Rating - 7 I give this game 7 which is pretty good for a new release but once again 8.8 is so overinflated its funny. What about the lag? The 60 second lock ups? The graphic glitches? The reboots? VALUE - 9.2 My Rating 7 If WAR was free then I would give it 9.2 but unless you have mummy and dadddy paying for the sub then there is no way in hell this game gets 9.2 Value rating. If this was true I would cancel my 2 EVE subs and my AoC sub because I am yet to see a game get close to 9! SERVICE - 8.8 My Rating - 6 I have not needed to contact service in-game yet but I give it a 6 purely for the pain of registering and trying to work out how to log in. No instructions and for the first time I even had to call a mate to find out why it wasn't working. He had spent 2 hours working it out as well. Is this a WAR bash thread? Not really but the concept of WAR having 8.87 rating is laughable and anyone that voted stupidly should be tied at a stake and have tomatoes thrown at them. For the record I played table top Warhammer for almost 15 years so if there ever was a fan I should have been it. Unfortunately they have gone to the mass market and dumbed down the game...IMO
just face it the people who play it enjoy the game alot i mean come on war made history multiple times in 1 week it has to have a high user rateing
just face it the people who play it enjoy the game alot i mean come on war made history multiple times in 1 week it has to have a high user rateing
High user rating?
The truth is, we do NOT know what the user ratings on this site are.
This is because MMORPG.com uses a system which boosts ratings, so the numbers are not just average votes. I don't have any link to it, but there was some thread last year that explained how this works.
Also, not to state my opinion on your idiotic actions any further, I'm a game developer myself and I understand what stages games are going through. Just don't embarrass yourself with some cult now, you here?
Ahh, the "I'm a game developer myself" argument. Again. Yeah, right...
Take your own advice, don't embarrass yourself. Oops, too late.
Now I consider myself a mature gamer who is fair when reviewing a game and I certainly don't bash for no reason.
No, you're not a "mature gamer", you know why? You're stuck in this EQ stage where you're still looking for that one game that copies it in everyway, but you just can't move on. Games adapt and move on, either you adapt with them or get left in the dust with a piss poor attitude and depression for every new game avaliable. So in other words, grow the fuck up.
By the way the graphics deserve an 8, last I checked Art was considered graphics. Which is why I consider WoW a 9.
Also, not to state my opinion on your idiotic actions any further, I'm a game developer myself and I understand what stages games are going through. Just don't embarrass yourself with some cult now, you here?
I cant be stuck in the EQ stage because I never played the bloody game.
The point I am making here is that a game hitting 8.87 means each of those categories must have received an average of 9 or just under. So it proves that people playing this game and rate it a 9 on a whole have not had enough experience in the MMO world because to give this game a rating of 9 especially for service, 9 for sound, 9 for value and 9 for graphics is plain misleading and its obvious fanbois are just choosing 10 for everything. Why does it bother me? I dont freakin know but it does because the game doesnt deserve it. I am still subscribed to the game but I logged into it for 30 minutes yesterday at prime time and saw no groups in RvR. Waited 15 minutes to get into a scenario and then ran around shooting really slow missiles at people which took about 1/20th of their health off. This aint PvP this is slow moronic combat that noobs will love because dying really doesnt mean anything and winning doesn't mean much more. Its a shame they decided to take warhammer down the idiot route because this is one game I really wanted to enjoy.
I guess there are others, Earthrise, Darkfall, Jumpgate.....
Different standards for different gamers. And today's mainstream MMO gamers have extremely low standards. Thus, different ratings. Sad, because it gives Mythic the impression that they did a good job with this game. Opinion of course, but they didn't.
Also, not to state my opinion on your idiotic actions any further, I'm a game developer myself and I understand what stages games are going through. Just don't embarrass yourself with some cult now, you here?
Ahh, the "I'm a game developer myself" argument. Again. Yeah, right...
Take your own advice, don't embarrass yourself. Oops, too late.
Yeah, my bad.. i guess my profession is embarrassing =*(.
Oh god, please oh why..why... did I spend all my time learning that C++, developing a completely stable udp/tcp network simulation infrastructure with a very nice scripted environment of my licensed 3d base graphical engine. Damn, you know.. you're right it is an embarrassment to be seen here.
You seem to believe that claiming to be a game developer makes your opinions more valid than others'. I've seen the "I'm a game developer myself" argument so often, that I'm pretty sure 99% of them are pure lies.
And your opinions are just opinions. It doesn't matter if you really are a developer, or a janitor. You're not more/less important than any of the rest of us here. Trying to make yourself some sort of expert, that's what's both embarrassing and pathetic.
As was said before, the game is new. It's going to have a high rating for a while. After AoC, Hellgate:London, and Tabula Rasa's miserable openings, people's bars were lowered as to what to expect with a release. Mythic actually paid attention to this, and waited until the game was actually OUT OF BETA before they released it. True, it may be similar to WoW, but because of the PvP aspect, people are going to have fun with it now. Give it time, though, and I'm sure those ratings will come down. What I find impressive is that two Guild Wars games are in the top 7. After 3+ years out, an all-instanced game can pull that? That is more impressive than anything WAR has pulled off so far.
As to "Mr Game Designer"...sigh...every thread has someone pulling this out to back up their argument. Great, you can quote some computer coding languages you read off Slashdot. Post a VERIFIABLE reference or S-T-F-U! In the parlance of the day, if it isn't screenshotted, it didn't happen.
I gave it 7,4. Good but still needs more work. I do believe that it can be 8,5 in a year or 2 if Mythic works hard.
The problem with number rating is first that many people have different standards, I am not sure there is a game I would give a 10 in any category, 10 is perfect. I did give Guildwars 10 in value a few years ago but that's the only one and basicly that's because you can play GW for the initial buying costs for years.
The graphics seems to be most of from my list, come on, look on good graphics. Crysis looks great, War is somewhere between 5 and 6, average. Not bad but it could be a lot better. Yeah a lot of people say that a MMO cant look great but I don't really believe in that.
WAR is not a bad game, not at all but there is room for improvement. I don't belive I seen a MMO that is over 8 at launch ever in my opinion.
I agree with the OP. WAR is an 8.87 because it's new. When the shiney wears off, the score will be more realistic. WAR is a good game for some, but that score is inflated. The graphics, sound, and community scores make it painfully obvious.
Anyone who'd give any game a 9 or 10 is basically saying that the game is perfect as is and there's no room for improvement. In other words, these people are kidding themselves and over-hyping the game.
FUN - 9.4 My Rating - 7 Ok who am I to say if people think the game is fun or but 9.4 Are you freaking kidding me? Is this seriously the most fun in an MMO that you have ever had? GET OUT MORE!
lol, shouldn't it be STAY IN MORE!?
QFT
And as for what almost everyone else is saying, it's all just opinion. I myself think the 8.7 (now 8.83) rating is definitely overrated compared to other MMOs on the market, but who am I to say it's wrong? Some people out there would give this game an 11 out of 10 if they could, good for them. I don't see the ratings as a big deal at all to be quite honest.
I agree with you OP, the 8.87 rating is a joke. You know it is a joke simply by the fact that the game instantly had a rating over 9 when it was first released, meaning a lot of people went out and gave it a 10 rating before they even played it.
Giving the game's graphics rating a 9 is further proof that it is just rabid fans of the game over-hyping it.
But attempting to argue it here is futile, you will be swarmed by the fans and torn to pieces for daring to say something realistic and logical about the game.
Unfortunate.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
War is one of the most polished MMOs to release ever. It has huge amount of features - huge amounts of features that can be added and improved. It has everything needed for a game of millions playing. At the same time - WOW is now showing obvious shortcomings and ppl are getting bored killing the same dragons at lvl 15 and 75. WOTLK is nothing new - WAR is somehting new that will continue to grow and improve. Lastly - about WAR graphics. They will improve. But saying they are bad is just wrong. I am a dia hard WAR table top player and Mythic has done so well catching the feel of the characters and the monsters in the game that its really beyond belive. You wont find any game out atm that has brighter future than WAR has atm. That doesn't mean the game is perfect. But it has everything needed to make a great game for long long time. Thats what MMOs are about.
Lol, what? Wotlk is an *expansion*. It *is* WoW growing and improving. New class, knockback and pull mechnisms being introduced into combat, multi person mounts, siege warfare both land and mount.
For an *expansion* that's pretty good and that's still ignoring all the content it delivers. Is it in any way as new/different as an entirely new MMO? ... Well doh, of course not, it's an expansion to an existing game, not an entirely new game alltogether. The fact that you're actually comparing it a new game release already shows how much value the expansion in itself has .
There's also nowhere WAR can go that WOW can't go right now or else I'd certainly be interested in hearing what edge WAR has. Basically WoW could add anything WAR adds if they wanted.
I am going to answer you in detail since you obviously have very little knowledge of Warhammer francies for the past 20 years. It will also maybe show you that already at this point - Warhammer has brought more into the MMO genre even before release than most ppl realise.
But first - I desided to take a look at what WOTLK bonus video on BLizzon.
Ok - nice schenery in few places - nothing new tho - same old castles all looking exactly the same in 100 diffrent places. Thats WOW for you. New mobs... oh wait... what new mobs ? It was all the same old models - now in red instead of green - or black instead of red. Why ? Yes... because the WOW graphic engine has been pushed to the limit. Blizzard are trying to hide it with qoutes like "we expect all to look the same based on their acomplishments".. oh yes... thats why Some classes are forced to be purple....
The exact same goes for Monsters. Blizzard graphic engine is so limited that all monsters with same name look exactly the same. Thats how it is and thats how it will be. But at the same time...
Warhammer is creating a basic engine that has ENDLESS possibilites in terms of many features - And its doing the best job in the feature that is so important to the orginal Warhammer francies. Look of characters and monsters. Endless possiblities of looks - colours and features. ENDLESS. And thats how it should be cause ppl litterally paint their own characters in Warhammer tabletops.
But this feature does not only work for characters. It works for MONSTERS to. Yes... YOu can come into an area of 100 monsters that all carry the same name. BUt you know what... NONE of them look the same. THey have diffrent facial expression - diffrent weapon - diffrent colour. - Its litterally ENDLESS. In terms of RPG this adds a new dimention to a game. And Warhammer does this all by taking up just 9 gb. That means the game has now almost unlimited freedom of growth using litterally billions of possible combinations of EXISTING content to create new and exiting gaming encounters. And this features are yet to be put into many aspects of the game like mounts that will be added soon.
This is something WOW can not - and will never be able to do. Thats why every mob you see in WOTLK is a copy of the lvl 5 mob you saw when u were a nub. Cause its EXACTLY the same toon. WoW can never ever change that and thats why Warhammer is far superior when it comes to the future of the game. ANd its probably the reason BLizzard started working on a new MMO cause they knew how limited the current game engine is atm.
Ofc BLizzard added many features that were orginal in Warhammer. Tome of knowledge is just a brilliant idea that was Warhammer through and through. BLizzard copied the achievment system. The new PVP zone in WOTLK... good ideas but after all totally pointless since 2v2 Arena is the progression phase of the game in PVP. And there we come to the biggest part of WOW that limits the game into nothingness. CLasses and balance. The new class in WOTLK is said to be something new... if you look at a new class doing the exact same old jobs as before. There is nothing new. NOthing orginal about it. Why ? Because the game is stagnant. Old classes are now figthing about whos gonna be the most overpowered in Arena - while everything is turned into "hello kitty" in raid content to make everyone exactly the same.
I think most ppl are realising how much potentials are in Warhammer atm. And at the same time they are starting to see how limited WOW is becoming. That is even after BLizzard now all of sudden start talking about adding more BGs and pulling the focus off Arena abit. lol - why you think that is ?
There are still alot of features in Warhammer that will need improvements. Graphix have endless possiblity in looks and AA will add new diemtion into the game - but atm performance is more important. AI of the game will grow stronger making the PVE part stronger. Public quests will be tuned as well when Mythic has gotten good data on how it is atm. But the most important part is that Warhammer will create its OWN balance. The game has perfect tools to tune things to fit the orginal idea of the game - Total WAR !. You play as a part of huge faction against the enemies. That was the orginal idea of WOW but childish and naive 2v2 PVP destroyed that feature of the game. Warhammer will focus fully on this. And the devs have all the tools to tweak the game in minor ways to balance things around abit if needed. At the same time BLizzard's devs are gonna have to litterally balance a 2v2 battle - making 90% of ppl unhappy when they have to nerf and buff things in endless cycles cause of their E-sport Arena tournaments.
Sorry - have to quit now. Aldorf is under siege. Need to defend it. Dam Destruction !! More later.
War is one of the most polished MMOs to release ever. It has huge amount of features - huge amounts of features that can be added and improved. It has everything needed for a game of millions playing. At the same time - WOW is now showing obvious shortcomings and ppl are getting bored killing the same dragons at lvl 15 and 75. WOTLK is nothing new - WAR is somehting new that will continue to grow and improve. Lastly - about WAR graphics. They will improve. But saying they are bad is just wrong. I am a dia hard WAR table top player and Mythic has done so well catching the feel of the characters and the monsters in the game that its really beyond belive. You wont find any game out atm that has brighter future than WAR has atm. That doesn't mean the game is perfect. But it has everything needed to make a great game for long long time. Thats what MMOs are about.
Lol, what? Wotlk is an *expansion*. It *is* WoW growing and improving. New class, knockback and pull mechnisms being introduced into combat, multi person mounts, siege warfare both land and mount.
For an *expansion* that's pretty good and that's still ignoring all the content it delivers. Is it in any way as new/different as an entirely new MMO? ... Well doh, of course not, it's an expansion to an existing game, not an entirely new game alltogether. The fact that you're actually comparing it a new game release already shows how much value the expansion in itself has .
There's also nowhere WAR can go that WOW can't go right now or else I'd certainly be interested in hearing what edge WAR has. Basically WoW could add anything WAR adds if they wanted.
I am going to answer you in detail since you obviously have very little knowledge of Warhammer francies for the past 20 years. It will also maybe show you that already at this point - Warhammer has brought more into the MMO genre even before release than most ppl realise.
But first - I desided to take a look at what WOTLK bonus video on BLizzon.
Ok - nice schenery in few places - nothing new tho - same old castles all looking exactly the same in 100 diffrent places. Thats WOW for you. New mobs... oh wait... what new mobs ? It was all the same old models - now in red instead of green - or black instead of red. Why ? Yes... because the WOW graphic engine has been pushed to the limit. Blizzard are trying to hide it with qoutes like "we expect all to look the same based on their acomplishments".. oh yes... thats why Some classes are forced to be purple....
The exact same goes for Monsters. Blizzard graphic engine is so limited that all monsters with same name look exactly the same. Thats how it is and thats how it will be. But at the same time...
Warhammer is creating a basic engine that has ENDLESS possibilites in terms of many features - And its doing the best job in the feature that is so important to the orginal Warhammer francies. Look of characters and monsters. Endless possiblities of looks - colours and features. ENDLESS. And thats how it should be cause ppl litterally paint their own characters in Warhammer tabletops.
But this feature does not only work for characters. It works for MONSTERS to. Yes... YOu can come into an area of 100 monsters that all carry the same name. BUt you know what... NONE of them look the same. THey have diffrent facial expression - diffrent weapon - diffrent colour. - Its litterally ENDLESS. In terms of RPG this adds a new dimention to a game. And Warhammer does this all by taking up just 9 gb. That means the game has now almost unlimited freedom of growth using litterally billions of possible combinations of EXISTING content to create new and exiting gaming encounters. And this features are yet to be put into many aspects of the game like mounts that will be added soon.
This is something WOW can not - and will never be able to do. Thats why every mob you see in WOTLK is a copy of the lvl 5 mob you saw when u were a nub. Cause its EXACTLY the same toon. WoW can never ever change that and thats why Warhammer is far superior when it comes to the future of the game. ANd its probably the reason BLizzard started working on a new MMO cause they knew how limited the current game engine is atm.
Ofc BLizzard added many features that were orginal in Warhammer. Tome of knowledge is just a brilliant idea that was Warhammer through and through. BLizzard copied the achievment system. The new PVP zone in WOTLK... good ideas but after all totally pointless since 2v2 Arena is the progression phase of the game in PVP. And there we come to the biggest part of WOW that limits the game into nothingness. CLasses and balance. The new class in WOTLK is said to be something new... if you look at a new class doing the exact same old jobs as before. There is nothing new. NOthing orginal about it. Why ? Because the game is stagnant. Old classes are now figthing about whos gonna be the most overpowered in Arena - while everything is turned into "hello kitty" in raid content to make everyone exactly the same.
I think most ppl are realising how much potentials are in Warhammer atm. And at the same time they are starting to see how limited WOW is becoming. That is even after BLizzard now all of sudden start talking about adding more BGs and pulling the focus off Arena abit. lol - why you think that is ?
There are still alot of features in Warhammer that will need improvements. Graphix have endless possiblity in looks and AA will add new diemtion into the game - but atm performance is more important. AI of the game will grow stronger making the PVE part stronger. Public quests will be tuned as well when Mythic has gotten good data on how it is atm. But the most important part is that Warhammer will create its OWN balance. The game has perfect tools to tune things to fit the orginal idea of the game - Total WAR !. You play as a part of huge faction against the enemies. That was the orginal idea of WOW but childish and naive 2v2 PVP destroyed that feature of the game. Warhammer will focus fully on this. And the devs have all the tools to tweak the game in minor ways to balance things around abit if needed. At the same time BLizzard's devs are gonna have to litterally balance a 2v2 battle - making 90% of ppl unhappy when they have to nerf and buff things in endless cycles cause of their E-sport Arena tournaments.
Sorry - have to quit now. Aldorf is under siege. Need to defend it. Dam Destruction !! More later.
I agree a lot with this post and I realise its a new game and I know that there will be a ton of improvements etc. However my key issue is a fundamental one. I was so excited about WAR because I am a fan of the tabletop game, so I expected to see a load of RvR that 'meant' something. I want to see destruction or order overunning a territory and pushing back the enemy. I don't want to fight in a box and someone tell me it means something. Gamers have already worked out that RvR is pointless because I run past countless RvR zones occupied by the enemy and no one is bothered. The 2nd key issue is the actual combat. I start to worry when I am playing a game and eating a sandwich at the same time and I still pwn the mobs. Solution for me is make RvR inevitable, give people no choice in the matter and sex up the combat so it requires more than target and shoot.
OP, I had been following your posts. I think you were (and you even just express it above) dissapointed with the game.
I am really sorry that you didnt find fun in the game.
I am having a huge fun in WAR.
In any case, imho, it seems that many people disagree with you in the rating and they are finding the game to be fun and they like all you didnt like.
Imo, most of the post in forums over internet arent really big problems with the game but most are QQs. Yes, there are problems. Some are important but I dont see any problem as other games had on release, which ended up killing that games. Of course, some people will disagree with this other wont. In the end, we will know in just a few months.
Its my opinion too that Mythic is addressing the problems expressed by the community and not denying them, so they will fix them in time.
Now, the huge gap you felt with the game will never be "fixed" because I dont think you like the core desing... which wont change.
Now, about the rating, it seems that people dont agree with you, do they?
The rating will go down in some weeks, they always do. I think this game will be in the top 5, and maybe be in the first position in this and other forums. What does it means? Not much. LoTRO was in the first position and its not a MMO with huge amount of subs, is it?
EvE is in the first positions too, as other great MMOs. And actually WoW is pretty down in most ratings over internet and its actually the most successful one in subs. So rating mean nothing.
Voting in internet is far from accuarate. Although for now... all the news I am reading seems to show WAR is not a failure but the opposite. I mean the subs announces, the reviews, the ratings, etc. People cant deny this all they want but the news arent negative for me.
All this is just my opinion. I dont have the truth.
To know how successful WAR will be in subs, we will have to wait like 6 months.
But, after all, any real MMO player (not the trolls or the kids) can desire for any MMO to fail? I am amaze if they do.
Personally I consider myself a MMO player since 99% of the games I play in computers are MMOs and I dont want any MMO to fail. I want them all to be successful!!! I do know I wont like many of them but I will not go around expressing how bad the game is because I didnt like it.
Some people think that if a game is not the design they want, the game must die! If its not a sandbox, it should die!!! So the world is a better place? I have no idea why this happens. Maybe people like just to "fight"? Maybe its the same as religions?
In any case, my best wishes for all the MMOs. So that will give me more options to play... unless we want really that all the MMOs fail... maybe so we just play WoW and have no other choice?
For a decent mmo with steady launch that has just released, 8.5 sounds about fair for the game as it currently stands. In a few months, that number may go up or down on a number of factors.
War is one of the most polished MMOs to release ever. It has huge amount of features - huge amounts of features that can be added and improved. It has everything needed for a game of millions playing. At the same time - WOW is now showing obvious shortcomings and ppl are getting bored killing the same dragons at lvl 15 and 75. WOTLK is nothing new - WAR is somehting new that will continue to grow and improve. Lastly - about WAR graphics. They will improve. But saying they are bad is just wrong. I am a dia hard WAR table top player and Mythic has done so well catching the feel of the characters and the monsters in the game that its really beyond belive. You wont find any game out atm that has brighter future than WAR has atm. That doesn't mean the game is perfect. But it has everything needed to make a great game for long long time. Thats what MMOs are about.
Lol, what? Wotlk is an *expansion*. It *is* WoW growing and improving. New class, knockback and pull mechnisms being introduced into combat, multi person mounts, siege warfare both land and mount.
For an *expansion* that's pretty good and that's still ignoring all the content it delivers. Is it in any way as new/different as an entirely new MMO? ... Well doh, of course not, it's an expansion to an existing game, not an entirely new game alltogether. The fact that you're actually comparing it a new game release already shows how much value the expansion in itself has .
There's also nowhere WAR can go that WOW can't go right now or else I'd certainly be interested in hearing what edge WAR has. Basically WoW could add anything WAR adds if they wanted.
I am going to answer you in detail since you obviously have very little knowledge of Warhammer francies for the past 20 years. It will also maybe show you that already at this point - Warhammer has brought more into the MMO genre even before release than most ppl realise.
But first - I desided to take a look at what WOTLK bonus video on BLizzon.
Ok - nice schenery in few places - nothing new tho - same old castles all looking exactly the same in 100 diffrent places. Thats WOW for you. New mobs... oh wait... what new mobs ? It was all the same old models - now in red instead of green - or black instead of red. Why ? Yes... because the WOW graphic engine has been pushed to the limit. Blizzard are trying to hide it with qoutes like "we expect all to look the same based on their acomplishments".. oh yes... thats why Some classes are forced to be purple....
The exact same goes for Monsters. Blizzard graphic engine is so limited that all monsters with same name look exactly the same. Thats how it is and thats how it will be. But at the same time...
Warhammer is creating a basic engine that has ENDLESS possibilites in terms of many features - And its doing the best job in the feature that is so important to the orginal Warhammer francies. Look of characters and monsters. Endless possiblities of looks - colours and features. ENDLESS. And thats how it should be cause ppl litterally paint their own characters in Warhammer tabletops.
But this feature does not only work for characters. It works for MONSTERS to. Yes... YOu can come into an area of 100 monsters that all carry the same name. BUt you know what... NONE of them look the same. THey have diffrent facial expression - diffrent weapon - diffrent colour. - Its litterally ENDLESS. In terms of RPG this adds a new dimention to a game. And Warhammer does this all by taking up just 9 gb. That means the game has now almost unlimited freedom of growth using litterally billions of possible combinations of EXISTING content to create new and exiting gaming encounters. And this features are yet to be put into many aspects of the game like mounts that will be added soon.
This is something WOW can not - and will never be able to do. Thats why every mob you see in WOTLK is a copy of the lvl 5 mob you saw when u were a nub. Cause its EXACTLY the same toon. WoW can never ever change that and thats why Warhammer is far superior when it comes to the future of the game. ANd its probably the reason BLizzard started working on a new MMO cause they knew how limited the current game engine is atm.
Ofc BLizzard added many features that were orginal in Warhammer. Tome of knowledge is just a brilliant idea that was Warhammer through and through. BLizzard copied the achievment system. The new PVP zone in WOTLK... good ideas but after all totally pointless since 2v2 Arena is the progression phase of the game in PVP. And there we come to the biggest part of WOW that limits the game into nothingness. CLasses and balance. The new class in WOTLK is said to be something new... if you look at a new class doing the exact same old jobs as before. There is nothing new. NOthing orginal about it. Why ? Because the game is stagnant. Old classes are now figthing about whos gonna be the most overpowered in Arena - while everything is turned into "hello kitty" in raid content to make everyone exactly the same.
I think most ppl are realising how much potentials are in Warhammer atm. And at the same time they are starting to see how limited WOW is becoming. That is even after BLizzard now all of sudden start talking about adding more BGs and pulling the focus off Arena abit. lol - why you think that is ?
There are still alot of features in Warhammer that will need improvements. Graphix have endless possiblity in looks and AA will add new diemtion into the game - but atm performance is more important. AI of the game will grow stronger making the PVE part stronger. Public quests will be tuned as well when Mythic has gotten good data on how it is atm. But the most important part is that Warhammer will create its OWN balance. The game has perfect tools to tune things to fit the orginal idea of the game - Total WAR !. You play as a part of huge faction against the enemies. That was the orginal idea of WOW but childish and naive 2v2 PVP destroyed that feature of the game. Warhammer will focus fully on this. And the devs have all the tools to tweak the game in minor ways to balance things around abit if needed. At the same time BLizzard's devs are gonna have to litterally balance a 2v2 battle - making 90% of ppl unhappy when they have to nerf and buff things in endless cycles cause of their E-sport Arena tournaments.
Sorry - have to quit now. Aldorf is under siege. Need to defend it. Dam Destruction !! More later.
I agree a lot with this post and I realise its a new game and I know that there will be a ton of improvements etc. However my key issue is a fundamental one. I was so excited about WAR because I am a fan of the tabletop game, so I expected to see a load of RvR that 'meant' something. I want to see destruction or order overunning a territory and pushing back the enemy. I don't want to fight in a box and someone tell me it means something. Gamers have already worked out that RvR is pointless because I run past countless RvR zones occupied by the enemy and no one is bothered. The 2nd key issue is the actual combat. I start to worry when I am playing a game and eating a sandwich at the same time and I still pwn the mobs. Solution for me is make RvR inevitable, give people no choice in the matter and sex up the combat so it requires more than target and shoot.
Apparently you are on a low population server.
Last night in Azazel. 5 Order guilds coordinated a massive attack in Chaos Waters. Order took everything and was planning to attack Inevitable city. Then I saw 200+ destruction come from the north. I was part of the patrol that was overrun.
If you have to have someone tell you what games to play based on ratings then you're already in such a bad shape that there's no hope for you. The only opinions about a game that truly matter are your own.
The thing is there were people who rated the game as you did, but others who like the games take on graphics etc rated it higher. Thats how ratings work, for the asshats giving all 10's there are an equal number of haters giving it 1's. As for unbias ratings, in these situations thats pretty rare. Those motivated to review and rate a game have reasons for those motivations. No more obvious so than by reading the OP
Perhaps you would like to rethink this? For every person that gives this game all 1's there must be 7 people that give it all 10's to maintain the 8.87 average.
It is quite obvious that every time a game is released that it is flooded with massive numbers of 10 ratings and/or is artifcially boosted by mmorpg.com
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Well I agree, its not an 8.87 in my eyes, however a collective poll of 12 online reviews places it at 89% so it seems like the score might not be that far off, at least among people who bother to rate games. (I don't btw)
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just face it the people who play it enjoy the game alot i mean come on war made history multiple times in 1 week it has to have a high user rateing
High user rating?
The truth is, we do NOT know what the user ratings on this site are.
This is because MMORPG.com uses a system which boosts ratings, so the numbers are not just average votes. I don't have any link to it, but there was some thread last year that explained how this works.
WAR is a good game and a lot of people are enjoying it, too many people are expecting this to be another AoC, but quite frankly its not.
It's rather strange, I quit the game for reasons that most of the haters don't post.
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Ahh, the "I'm a game developer myself" argument. Again. Yeah, right...
Take your own advice, don't embarrass yourself. Oops, too late.
No, you're not a "mature gamer", you know why? You're stuck in this EQ stage where you're still looking for that one game that copies it in everyway, but you just can't move on. Games adapt and move on, either you adapt with them or get left in the dust with a piss poor attitude and depression for every new game avaliable. So in other words, grow the fuck up.
By the way the graphics deserve an 8, last I checked Art was considered graphics. Which is why I consider WoW a 9.
Also, not to state my opinion on your idiotic actions any further, I'm a game developer myself and I understand what stages games are going through. Just don't embarrass yourself with some cult now, you here?
I cant be stuck in the EQ stage because I never played the bloody game.
The point I am making here is that a game hitting 8.87 means each of those categories must have received an average of 9 or just under. So it proves that people playing this game and rate it a 9 on a whole have not had enough experience in the MMO world because to give this game a rating of 9 especially for service, 9 for sound, 9 for value and 9 for graphics is plain misleading and its obvious fanbois are just choosing 10 for everything. Why does it bother me? I dont freakin know but it does because the game doesnt deserve it. I am still subscribed to the game but I logged into it for 30 minutes yesterday at prime time and saw no groups in RvR. Waited 15 minutes to get into a scenario and then ran around shooting really slow missiles at people which took about 1/20th of their health off. This aint PvP this is slow moronic combat that noobs will love because dying really doesnt mean anything and winning doesn't mean much more. Its a shame they decided to take warhammer down the idiot route because this is one game I really wanted to enjoy.
I guess there are others, Earthrise, Darkfall, Jumpgate.....
I agree with the OP that 8.87 is WAY out there! It should be a clean 8.80.
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Different standards for different gamers. And today's mainstream MMO gamers have extremely low standards. Thus, different ratings. Sad, because it gives Mythic the impression that they did a good job with this game.
Opinion of course, but they didn't.
can't really name one developer that did better with a game on release so your opinion is really shacky there my friend
Ahh, the "I'm a game developer myself" argument. Again. Yeah, right...
Take your own advice, don't embarrass yourself. Oops, too late.
Yeah, my bad.. i guess my profession is embarrassing =*(.
Oh god, please oh why..why... did I spend all my time learning that C++, developing a completely stable udp/tcp network simulation infrastructure with a very nice scripted environment of my licensed 3d base graphical engine. Damn, you know.. you're right it is an embarrassment to be seen here.
You seem to believe that claiming to be a game developer makes your opinions more valid than others'. I've seen the "I'm a game developer myself" argument so often, that I'm pretty sure 99% of them are pure lies.
And your opinions are just opinions. It doesn't matter if you really are a developer, or a janitor. You're not more/less important than any of the rest of us here. Trying to make yourself some sort of expert, that's what's both embarrassing and pathetic.
As was said before, the game is new. It's going to have a high rating for a while. After AoC, Hellgate:London, and Tabula Rasa's miserable openings, people's bars were lowered as to what to expect with a release. Mythic actually paid attention to this, and waited until the game was actually OUT OF BETA before they released it. True, it may be similar to WoW, but because of the PvP aspect, people are going to have fun with it now. Give it time, though, and I'm sure those ratings will come down. What I find impressive is that two Guild Wars games are in the top 7. After 3+ years out, an all-instanced game can pull that? That is more impressive than anything WAR has pulled off so far.
As to "Mr Game Designer"...sigh...every thread has someone pulling this out to back up their argument. Great, you can quote some computer coding languages you read off Slashdot. Post a VERIFIABLE reference or S-T-F-U! In the parlance of the day, if it isn't screenshotted, it didn't happen.
I gave it 7,4. Good but still needs more work. I do believe that it can be 8,5 in a year or 2 if Mythic works hard.
The problem with number rating is first that many people have different standards, I am not sure there is a game I would give a 10 in any category, 10 is perfect. I did give Guildwars 10 in value a few years ago but that's the only one and basicly that's because you can play GW for the initial buying costs for years.
The graphics seems to be most of from my list, come on, look on good graphics. Crysis looks great, War is somewhere between 5 and 6, average. Not bad but it could be a lot better. Yeah a lot of people say that a MMO cant look great but I don't really believe in that.
WAR is not a bad game, not at all but there is room for improvement. I don't belive I seen a MMO that is over 8 at launch ever in my opinion.
I agree with the OP. WAR is an 8.87 because it's new. When the shiney wears off, the score will be more realistic. WAR is a good game for some, but that score is inflated. The graphics, sound, and community scores make it painfully obvious.
Anyone who'd give any game a 9 or 10 is basically saying that the game is perfect as is and there's no room for improvement. In other words, these people are kidding themselves and over-hyping the game.
It gets a solid 3/10 for being a big let down
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a mid 7 from me.
but il be playing it till Aion comes out. ^^ may pick up eq2 for my pve fix.
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And as for what almost everyone else is saying, it's all just opinion. I myself think the 8.7 (now 8.83) rating is definitely overrated compared to other MMOs on the market, but who am I to say it's wrong? Some people out there would give this game an 11 out of 10 if they could, good for them. I don't see the ratings as a big deal at all to be quite honest.
I agree with you OP, the 8.87 rating is a joke. You know it is a joke simply by the fact that the game instantly had a rating over 9 when it was first released, meaning a lot of people went out and gave it a 10 rating before they even played it.
Giving the game's graphics rating a 9 is further proof that it is just rabid fans of the game over-hyping it.
But attempting to argue it here is futile, you will be swarmed by the fans and torn to pieces for daring to say something realistic and logical about the game.
Unfortunate.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Lol, what? Wotlk is an *expansion*. It *is* WoW growing and improving. New class, knockback and pull mechnisms being introduced into combat, multi person mounts, siege warfare both land and mount.
For an *expansion* that's pretty good and that's still ignoring all the content it delivers. Is it in any way as new/different as an entirely new MMO? ... Well doh, of course not, it's an expansion to an existing game, not an entirely new game alltogether. The fact that you're actually comparing it a new game release already shows how much value the expansion in itself has .
There's also nowhere WAR can go that WOW can't go right now or else I'd certainly be interested in hearing what edge WAR has. Basically WoW could add anything WAR adds if they wanted.
I am going to answer you in detail since you obviously have very little knowledge of Warhammer francies for the past 20 years. It will also maybe show you that already at this point - Warhammer has brought more into the MMO genre even before release than most ppl realise.
But first - I desided to take a look at what WOTLK bonus video on BLizzon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm30uux7B5k
Ok - nice schenery in few places - nothing new tho - same old castles all looking exactly the same in 100 diffrent places. Thats WOW for you. New mobs... oh wait... what new mobs ? It was all the same old models - now in red instead of green - or black instead of red. Why ? Yes... because the WOW graphic engine has been pushed to the limit. Blizzard are trying to hide it with qoutes like "we expect all to look the same based on their acomplishments".. oh yes... thats why Some classes are forced to be purple....
The exact same goes for Monsters. Blizzard graphic engine is so limited that all monsters with same name look exactly the same. Thats how it is and thats how it will be. But at the same time...
Warhammer is creating a basic engine that has ENDLESS possibilites in terms of many features - And its doing the best job in the feature that is so important to the orginal Warhammer francies. Look of characters and monsters. Endless possiblities of looks - colours and features. ENDLESS. And thats how it should be cause ppl litterally paint their own characters in Warhammer tabletops.
But this feature does not only work for characters. It works for MONSTERS to. Yes... YOu can come into an area of 100 monsters that all carry the same name. BUt you know what... NONE of them look the same. THey have diffrent facial expression - diffrent weapon - diffrent colour. - Its litterally ENDLESS. In terms of RPG this adds a new dimention to a game. And Warhammer does this all by taking up just 9 gb. That means the game has now almost unlimited freedom of growth using litterally billions of possible combinations of EXISTING content to create new and exiting gaming encounters. And this features are yet to be put into many aspects of the game like mounts that will be added soon.
This is something WOW can not - and will never be able to do. Thats why every mob you see in WOTLK is a copy of the lvl 5 mob you saw when u were a nub. Cause its EXACTLY the same toon. WoW can never ever change that and thats why Warhammer is far superior when it comes to the future of the game. ANd its probably the reason BLizzard started working on a new MMO cause they knew how limited the current game engine is atm.
Ofc BLizzard added many features that were orginal in Warhammer. Tome of knowledge is just a brilliant idea that was Warhammer through and through. BLizzard copied the achievment system. The new PVP zone in WOTLK... good ideas but after all totally pointless since 2v2 Arena is the progression phase of the game in PVP. And there we come to the biggest part of WOW that limits the game into nothingness. CLasses and balance. The new class in WOTLK is said to be something new... if you look at a new class doing the exact same old jobs as before. There is nothing new. NOthing orginal about it. Why ? Because the game is stagnant. Old classes are now figthing about whos gonna be the most overpowered in Arena - while everything is turned into "hello kitty" in raid content to make everyone exactly the same.
I think most ppl are realising how much potentials are in Warhammer atm. And at the same time they are starting to see how limited WOW is becoming. That is even after BLizzard now all of sudden start talking about adding more BGs and pulling the focus off Arena abit. lol - why you think that is ?
There are still alot of features in Warhammer that will need improvements. Graphix have endless possiblity in looks and AA will add new diemtion into the game - but atm performance is more important. AI of the game will grow stronger making the PVE part stronger. Public quests will be tuned as well when Mythic has gotten good data on how it is atm. But the most important part is that Warhammer will create its OWN balance. The game has perfect tools to tune things to fit the orginal idea of the game - Total WAR !. You play as a part of huge faction against the enemies. That was the orginal idea of WOW but childish and naive 2v2 PVP destroyed that feature of the game. Warhammer will focus fully on this. And the devs have all the tools to tweak the game in minor ways to balance things around abit if needed. At the same time BLizzard's devs are gonna have to litterally balance a 2v2 battle - making 90% of ppl unhappy when they have to nerf and buff things in endless cycles cause of their E-sport Arena tournaments.
Sorry - have to quit now. Aldorf is under siege. Need to defend it. Dam Destruction !! More later.
Lol, what? Wotlk is an *expansion*. It *is* WoW growing and improving. New class, knockback and pull mechnisms being introduced into combat, multi person mounts, siege warfare both land and mount.
For an *expansion* that's pretty good and that's still ignoring all the content it delivers. Is it in any way as new/different as an entirely new MMO? ... Well doh, of course not, it's an expansion to an existing game, not an entirely new game alltogether. The fact that you're actually comparing it a new game release already shows how much value the expansion in itself has .
There's also nowhere WAR can go that WOW can't go right now or else I'd certainly be interested in hearing what edge WAR has. Basically WoW could add anything WAR adds if they wanted.
I am going to answer you in detail since you obviously have very little knowledge of Warhammer francies for the past 20 years. It will also maybe show you that already at this point - Warhammer has brought more into the MMO genre even before release than most ppl realise.
But first - I desided to take a look at what WOTLK bonus video on BLizzon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm30uux7B5k
Ok - nice schenery in few places - nothing new tho - same old castles all looking exactly the same in 100 diffrent places. Thats WOW for you. New mobs... oh wait... what new mobs ? It was all the same old models - now in red instead of green - or black instead of red. Why ? Yes... because the WOW graphic engine has been pushed to the limit. Blizzard are trying to hide it with qoutes like "we expect all to look the same based on their acomplishments".. oh yes... thats why Some classes are forced to be purple....
The exact same goes for Monsters. Blizzard graphic engine is so limited that all monsters with same name look exactly the same. Thats how it is and thats how it will be. But at the same time...
Warhammer is creating a basic engine that has ENDLESS possibilites in terms of many features - And its doing the best job in the feature that is so important to the orginal Warhammer francies. Look of characters and monsters. Endless possiblities of looks - colours and features. ENDLESS. And thats how it should be cause ppl litterally paint their own characters in Warhammer tabletops.
But this feature does not only work for characters. It works for MONSTERS to. Yes... YOu can come into an area of 100 monsters that all carry the same name. BUt you know what... NONE of them look the same. THey have diffrent facial expression - diffrent weapon - diffrent colour. - Its litterally ENDLESS. In terms of RPG this adds a new dimention to a game. And Warhammer does this all by taking up just 9 gb. That means the game has now almost unlimited freedom of growth using litterally billions of possible combinations of EXISTING content to create new and exiting gaming encounters. And this features are yet to be put into many aspects of the game like mounts that will be added soon.
This is something WOW can not - and will never be able to do. Thats why every mob you see in WOTLK is a copy of the lvl 5 mob you saw when u were a nub. Cause its EXACTLY the same toon. WoW can never ever change that and thats why Warhammer is far superior when it comes to the future of the game. ANd its probably the reason BLizzard started working on a new MMO cause they knew how limited the current game engine is atm.
Ofc BLizzard added many features that were orginal in Warhammer. Tome of knowledge is just a brilliant idea that was Warhammer through and through. BLizzard copied the achievment system. The new PVP zone in WOTLK... good ideas but after all totally pointless since 2v2 Arena is the progression phase of the game in PVP. And there we come to the biggest part of WOW that limits the game into nothingness. CLasses and balance. The new class in WOTLK is said to be something new... if you look at a new class doing the exact same old jobs as before. There is nothing new. NOthing orginal about it. Why ? Because the game is stagnant. Old classes are now figthing about whos gonna be the most overpowered in Arena - while everything is turned into "hello kitty" in raid content to make everyone exactly the same.
I think most ppl are realising how much potentials are in Warhammer atm. And at the same time they are starting to see how limited WOW is becoming. That is even after BLizzard now all of sudden start talking about adding more BGs and pulling the focus off Arena abit. lol - why you think that is ?
There are still alot of features in Warhammer that will need improvements. Graphix have endless possiblity in looks and AA will add new diemtion into the game - but atm performance is more important. AI of the game will grow stronger making the PVE part stronger. Public quests will be tuned as well when Mythic has gotten good data on how it is atm. But the most important part is that Warhammer will create its OWN balance. The game has perfect tools to tune things to fit the orginal idea of the game - Total WAR !. You play as a part of huge faction against the enemies. That was the orginal idea of WOW but childish and naive 2v2 PVP destroyed that feature of the game. Warhammer will focus fully on this. And the devs have all the tools to tweak the game in minor ways to balance things around abit if needed. At the same time BLizzard's devs are gonna have to litterally balance a 2v2 battle - making 90% of ppl unhappy when they have to nerf and buff things in endless cycles cause of their E-sport Arena tournaments.
Sorry - have to quit now. Aldorf is under siege. Need to defend it. Dam Destruction !! More later.
I agree a lot with this post and I realise its a new game and I know that there will be a ton of improvements etc. However my key issue is a fundamental one. I was so excited about WAR because I am a fan of the tabletop game, so I expected to see a load of RvR that 'meant' something. I want to see destruction or order overunning a territory and pushing back the enemy. I don't want to fight in a box and someone tell me it means something. Gamers have already worked out that RvR is pointless because I run past countless RvR zones occupied by the enemy and no one is bothered. The 2nd key issue is the actual combat. I start to worry when I am playing a game and eating a sandwich at the same time and I still pwn the mobs. Solution for me is make RvR inevitable, give people no choice in the matter and sex up the combat so it requires more than target and shoot.
OP, I had been following your posts. I think you were (and you even just express it above) dissapointed with the game.
I am really sorry that you didnt find fun in the game.
I am having a huge fun in WAR.
In any case, imho, it seems that many people disagree with you in the rating and they are finding the game to be fun and they like all you didnt like.
Imo, most of the post in forums over internet arent really big problems with the game but most are QQs. Yes, there are problems. Some are important but I dont see any problem as other games had on release, which ended up killing that games. Of course, some people will disagree with this other wont. In the end, we will know in just a few months.
Its my opinion too that Mythic is addressing the problems expressed by the community and not denying them, so they will fix them in time.
Now, the huge gap you felt with the game will never be "fixed" because I dont think you like the core desing... which wont change.
Now, about the rating, it seems that people dont agree with you, do they?
The rating will go down in some weeks, they always do. I think this game will be in the top 5, and maybe be in the first position in this and other forums. What does it means? Not much. LoTRO was in the first position and its not a MMO with huge amount of subs, is it?
EvE is in the first positions too, as other great MMOs. And actually WoW is pretty down in most ratings over internet and its actually the most successful one in subs. So rating mean nothing.
Voting in internet is far from accuarate. Although for now... all the news I am reading seems to show WAR is not a failure but the opposite. I mean the subs announces, the reviews, the ratings, etc. People cant deny this all they want but the news arent negative for me.
All this is just my opinion. I dont have the truth.
To know how successful WAR will be in subs, we will have to wait like 6 months.
But, after all, any real MMO player (not the trolls or the kids) can desire for any MMO to fail? I am amaze if they do.
Personally I consider myself a MMO player since 99% of the games I play in computers are MMOs and I dont want any MMO to fail. I want them all to be successful!!! I do know I wont like many of them but I will not go around expressing how bad the game is because I didnt like it.
Some people think that if a game is not the design they want, the game must die! If its not a sandbox, it should die!!! So the world is a better place? I have no idea why this happens. Maybe people like just to "fight"? Maybe its the same as religions?
In any case, my best wishes for all the MMOs. So that will give me more options to play... unless we want really that all the MMOs fail... maybe so we just play WoW and have no other choice?
For a decent mmo with steady launch that has just released, 8.5 sounds about fair for the game as it currently stands. In a few months, that number may go up or down on a number of factors.
Lol, what? Wotlk is an *expansion*. It *is* WoW growing and improving. New class, knockback and pull mechnisms being introduced into combat, multi person mounts, siege warfare both land and mount.
For an *expansion* that's pretty good and that's still ignoring all the content it delivers. Is it in any way as new/different as an entirely new MMO? ... Well doh, of course not, it's an expansion to an existing game, not an entirely new game alltogether. The fact that you're actually comparing it a new game release already shows how much value the expansion in itself has .
There's also nowhere WAR can go that WOW can't go right now or else I'd certainly be interested in hearing what edge WAR has. Basically WoW could add anything WAR adds if they wanted.
I am going to answer you in detail since you obviously have very little knowledge of Warhammer francies for the past 20 years. It will also maybe show you that already at this point - Warhammer has brought more into the MMO genre even before release than most ppl realise.
But first - I desided to take a look at what WOTLK bonus video on BLizzon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm30uux7B5k
Ok - nice schenery in few places - nothing new tho - same old castles all looking exactly the same in 100 diffrent places. Thats WOW for you. New mobs... oh wait... what new mobs ? It was all the same old models - now in red instead of green - or black instead of red. Why ? Yes... because the WOW graphic engine has been pushed to the limit. Blizzard are trying to hide it with qoutes like "we expect all to look the same based on their acomplishments".. oh yes... thats why Some classes are forced to be purple....
The exact same goes for Monsters. Blizzard graphic engine is so limited that all monsters with same name look exactly the same. Thats how it is and thats how it will be. But at the same time...
Warhammer is creating a basic engine that has ENDLESS possibilites in terms of many features - And its doing the best job in the feature that is so important to the orginal Warhammer francies. Look of characters and monsters. Endless possiblities of looks - colours and features. ENDLESS. And thats how it should be cause ppl litterally paint their own characters in Warhammer tabletops.
But this feature does not only work for characters. It works for MONSTERS to. Yes... YOu can come into an area of 100 monsters that all carry the same name. BUt you know what... NONE of them look the same. THey have diffrent facial expression - diffrent weapon - diffrent colour. - Its litterally ENDLESS. In terms of RPG this adds a new dimention to a game. And Warhammer does this all by taking up just 9 gb. That means the game has now almost unlimited freedom of growth using litterally billions of possible combinations of EXISTING content to create new and exiting gaming encounters. And this features are yet to be put into many aspects of the game like mounts that will be added soon.
This is something WOW can not - and will never be able to do. Thats why every mob you see in WOTLK is a copy of the lvl 5 mob you saw when u were a nub. Cause its EXACTLY the same toon. WoW can never ever change that and thats why Warhammer is far superior when it comes to the future of the game. ANd its probably the reason BLizzard started working on a new MMO cause they knew how limited the current game engine is atm.
Ofc BLizzard added many features that were orginal in Warhammer. Tome of knowledge is just a brilliant idea that was Warhammer through and through. BLizzard copied the achievment system. The new PVP zone in WOTLK... good ideas but after all totally pointless since 2v2 Arena is the progression phase of the game in PVP. And there we come to the biggest part of WOW that limits the game into nothingness. CLasses and balance. The new class in WOTLK is said to be something new... if you look at a new class doing the exact same old jobs as before. There is nothing new. NOthing orginal about it. Why ? Because the game is stagnant. Old classes are now figthing about whos gonna be the most overpowered in Arena - while everything is turned into "hello kitty" in raid content to make everyone exactly the same.
I think most ppl are realising how much potentials are in Warhammer atm. And at the same time they are starting to see how limited WOW is becoming. That is even after BLizzard now all of sudden start talking about adding more BGs and pulling the focus off Arena abit. lol - why you think that is ?
There are still alot of features in Warhammer that will need improvements. Graphix have endless possiblity in looks and AA will add new diemtion into the game - but atm performance is more important. AI of the game will grow stronger making the PVE part stronger. Public quests will be tuned as well when Mythic has gotten good data on how it is atm. But the most important part is that Warhammer will create its OWN balance. The game has perfect tools to tune things to fit the orginal idea of the game - Total WAR !. You play as a part of huge faction against the enemies. That was the orginal idea of WOW but childish and naive 2v2 PVP destroyed that feature of the game. Warhammer will focus fully on this. And the devs have all the tools to tweak the game in minor ways to balance things around abit if needed. At the same time BLizzard's devs are gonna have to litterally balance a 2v2 battle - making 90% of ppl unhappy when they have to nerf and buff things in endless cycles cause of their E-sport Arena tournaments.
Sorry - have to quit now. Aldorf is under siege. Need to defend it. Dam Destruction !! More later.
I agree a lot with this post and I realise its a new game and I know that there will be a ton of improvements etc. However my key issue is a fundamental one. I was so excited about WAR because I am a fan of the tabletop game, so I expected to see a load of RvR that 'meant' something. I want to see destruction or order overunning a territory and pushing back the enemy. I don't want to fight in a box and someone tell me it means something. Gamers have already worked out that RvR is pointless because I run past countless RvR zones occupied by the enemy and no one is bothered. The 2nd key issue is the actual combat. I start to worry when I am playing a game and eating a sandwich at the same time and I still pwn the mobs. Solution for me is make RvR inevitable, give people no choice in the matter and sex up the combat so it requires more than target and shoot.
Apparently you are on a low population server.
Last night in Azazel. 5 Order guilds coordinated a massive attack in Chaos Waters. Order took everything and was planning to attack Inevitable city. Then I saw 200+ destruction come from the north. I was part of the patrol that was overrun.
Here is a link on what happened.
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146136
If you have to have someone tell you what games to play based on ratings then you're already in such a bad shape that there's no hope for you. The only opinions about a game that truly matter are your own.
Perhaps you would like to rethink this? For every person that gives this game all 1's there must be 7 people that give it all 10's to maintain the 8.87 average.
It is quite obvious that every time a game is released that it is flooded with massive numbers of 10 ratings and/or is artifcially boosted by mmorpg.com