Theres an extremely good chance Obama will lose. The polls dont show anything really, and if anything theyre not doing the democrats any favors. When it comes to elections, democrats are extremely lazy. Give dems a reason not to vote and they wont, like a huge lead in polls. Its the mindset of "he'll win, no reason for me to vote" will keep people at home instead of voting.
republicans are much more organized and much more active in elections. not nearly as lazy as democrats so you can expect them to be at the polls in full force.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
I'd be positively shocked if Obama doesn't get at least 310 electoral votes. Shocked. Something drastic would have to happen for Obama to lose this now. Barring something drastic Obama has this comfortably (5-7 points).
well, dont be too upset with the results of the election. We're going to be better off than we have been for the past 8 years regardless of who wins. Dont let anyone convince you otherwise.
Speaking for myself, I think that both candidates really offer something good for us all. I dont agree with certain things on both sides, but I definitely have a candidate in mind that I'll be voting for. The seperation between them on key issues is very minimal. The seperation between them on smaller issues is slightly larger, but again these are not major concerns of mine. (again speaking for myself and not what others consider "key issues")
I know theres some folks here, and people that I personally know who will be completely livid if the candidate they chose doesnt win. Try not to be one of them, because in the end nobody is going to give you everything you want. Especially between these two.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Theres an extremely good chance Obama will lose. The polls dont show anything really, and if anything theyre not doing the democrats any favors. When it comes to elections, democrats are extremely lazy. Give dems a reason not to vote and they wont, like a huge lead in polls. Its the mindset of "he'll win, no reason for me to vote" will keep people at home instead of voting. republicans are much more organized and much more active in elections. not nearly as lazy as democrats so you can expect them to be at the polls in full force.
This has been true in the past, but not this year. Democrats are organized and mobilized this election season. Another thing polls don't reflect are most of the voters who have no landline phones. The 'cell phone only crowd' are also more liberal voters. Then, there's the republicans who are so disenchanted about the job Bush has done. It's the perfect storm that the democrats needed to sweep the election.
Not only will Obama win the presidency, I predict the democrats will pick up the 9 seats needed to make them philibuster proof in the Senate.
Originally posted by IIRL Wasnt that the Bush administration campaign? Instilling fear into the American society? Yes, in fact it was. WMD WMD WMD TERRORISTS WMD WMD WMD TERRORISTS!
Listen to Obama's points. He is using a fear tactic to swing people to him. He is HOPING fear will CHANGE people's mind to vote for him.
I'm sure he will lose. We will have history repeat itself from 2004. I expect a new video of Osama Bin Laden to appear this weekend or next week and McCain will announce his protection of Americans. People will get spooked and think another 9/11 will happen with Obama and do a fear vote.
There may be another video, but this time threatening an attack if Obama doesn't win. That is truly the only way he can win - instilling fear into everyone.
Wasnt that the Bush administration campaign? Instilling fear into the American society? Yes, in fact it was. WMD WMD WMD TERRORISTS WMD WMD WMD TERRORISTS!
I think that was much more a case of the Jihad against all of us that did that. Plus I don't, and didn't see a lot of fear, at least around where I live -- just some anger and a healthy dose of resolve.
I'm definately not voting for Obama - there is no chance in hell. I may vote for McCain simply as a vote against Obama. But one thing I am sure of and that is how much I am going to enjoy the looks on people's faces and the cries of racism, unfairness and whatever other pathetic excuses will be tossed around when Obama loses.
You still didn't answer my question on the other page. Flip back Dekron.
I'm sure he will lose. We will have history repeat itself from 2004. I expect a new video of Osama Bin Laden to appear this weekend or next week and McCain will announce his protection of Americans. People will get spooked and think another 9/11 will happen with Obama and do a fear vote.
There may be another video, but this time threatening an attack if Obama doesn't win. That is truly the only way he can win - instilling fear into everyone.
That would be interesting, reverse fearmongering.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I think he'll lose, and numbers do lie. Just ask Obama's campaign advisors for heavens sake they made out like minks before bking their companies.
I hope the American People will wake the heck up and vote. Obama is a half and half as Jefferson used to say, he's have white, have black.
How does he treat the white grandparents that raised him? Not very well I see. Where is his father and step father and their relatives??? Look it up. It'll scare the underwear off you.
I want Condi Rice for Prez. But am voting McCain/Palin as are oodles of people.
Just go ahead and look up the white half of Obama and that group of family members, and the black and Indian/Pakistani ones.
Then tell me. Do you honestly want a lunatic like that? We've had bad before (Clinton, Hoover etc...) but not a mad man with a lunatic fringe family and extended family(s)
I'm definately not voting for Obama - there is no chance in hell. I may vote for McCain simply as a vote against Obama. But one thing I am sure of and that is how much I am going to enjoy the looks on people's faces and the cries of racism, unfairness and whatever other pathetic excuses will be tossed around when Obama loses.
You still didn't answer my question on the other page. Flip back Dekron.
No, I do not think he will win.
That's not what I asked. I asked you why you have such a bad memory of previous elections.
Originally posted by Libertasplz The numbers don't lie...Obama's lead is substantial and he is absolutely destroying the early vote polls.
As did Al Gore, but he lost as well. Polls do not matter. It only matters what people select behind the curtain.
but the early vote polls are behind the curtain.
I dont know if he will win but this is certainly a race of old/new with majority of older people voting for mccain and younger people for obama. it will come down to really undecided states and people who say they are voting for obama then get behind the curtain and say mccain mccain mccain. Just be honest people dont lie is all im saying no one will judge you. Only the black people will and we've been judging white people since slavery so why care now.
That's not what I asked. I asked you why you have such a bad memory of previous elections.
I missed that post, apologies.
I never stated anything of Gore leading him throughout the entire campaign. I do not see your point. Polls before the election, whether a month or 3 days, showed Gore in the lead. Exit polls showed Gore in the lead.
I honestly don't see by me stating Gore was ahead either implied I spoke of the entire campaign, or somehow I was wrong. I think you are nitpicking here.
That's not what I asked. I asked you why you have such a bad memory of previous elections.
I missed that post, apologies.
I never stated anything of Gore leading him throughout the entire campaign. I do not see your point. Polls before the election, whether a month or 3 days, showed Gore in the lead. Exit polls showed Gore in the lead.
I honestly don't see by me stating Gore was ahead either implied I spoke of the entire campaign, or somehow I was wrong. I think you are nitpicking here.
It's cool.
I was speaking of his lead now and you said that Gore had the same lead.
But Gore had been trailing for well over a month and at this point in the election cycle was 5 points back. I listed some archived polls and polls of polls. Gore was down anywhere from 3-9 points from Oct 1st until 2 days before the election.
So to say that Gore was ahead 3 days before or a month before is dead wrong. Gore was able to essentially pull even 1-2 days before when GWB's DUI came out.
Still a tight race. Currently looks to be that McCain needs to win all of the Swing States, and Obama needs to hold on to wavering New Mexico or Virginia.
The deciding state may very well be good old problem child Florida.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I read that an internal poll by Obama's camp shows that he is only leading by 2% in Pennsylvania compared to the National Poll showing a 13% lead by Obama.
There is a chance that McCain could take Pennsylvania. If he does and he takes OH and FL there is a chance that he wins.
I really believe that comments by the Dems and Obama are really hurting his campaign.
For instance.
Barack's "Spread the wealth" comment has been hurting him.
Murtha's "Racist" and then he switched it to "Rednecks" is really hurting in Pennsylvania.
I think there is a pretty good chance that McCain will win this election.
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I read that an internal poll by Obama's camp shows that he is only leading by 2% in Pennsylvania compared to the National Poll showing a 13% lead by Obama. There is a chance that McCain could take Pennsylvania. If he does and he takes OH and FL there is a chance that he wins. I really believe that comments by the Dems and Obama are really hurting his campaign. For instance. Barack's "Spread the wealth" comment has been hurting him. Murtha's "Racist" and then he switched it to "Rednecks" is really hurting in Pennsylvania. I think there is a pretty good chance that McCain will win this election.
You don't actually believe that do you?
Read Karl Rove's opinion piece today...he basically said at the end that the early voting might be spelling McCain's demise as we speak no matter what happens from this day forward.
For other posters:
Virginia is wavering? Lol. How much does Obama need to be ahead by before you recognize the lead Obama has?
I read that an internal poll by Obama's camp shows that he is only leading by 2% in Pennsylvania compared to the National Poll showing a 13% lead by Obama. There is a chance that McCain could take Pennsylvania. If he does and he takes OH and FL there is a chance that he wins. I really believe that comments by the Dems and Obama are really hurting his campaign. For instance. Barack's "Spread the wealth" comment has been hurting him. Murtha's "Racist" and then he switched it to "Rednecks" is really hurting in Pennsylvania. I think there is a pretty good chance that McCain will win this election.
You don't actually believe that do you?
Read Karl Rove's opinion piece today...he basically said at the end that the early voting might be spelling McCain's demise as we speak no matter what happens from this day forward.
For other posters:
Virginia is wavering? Lol. How much does Obama need to be ahead by before you recognize the lead Obama has?
Well we will see once all the votes are cast.
I have never had much faith in Polls and I especially have no faith at all in anything stated by the Media. (Especially NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, or any of the other extremely biased news stations)
And by the way how do we know they are biased? Well Ask any Republican which stations are biased and they will say pretty much all of them, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Etc. usually only leaving out Fox.
Ask any Democrat which stations are biased and you will get one answer, Fox.
So obviously the other stations are all putting out information that makes the democrats happy (or else they would mention more then just Fox) because there is no such thing as an unbiased News Station in today's world. They either lean to the left or lean to the right.
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Well, once obama gets deported back to kenya. he will indeed lose.
obama aint going to get deported to no where. Stupid media hype crap propaganda for mccain. No proof that he was born in Kenya so they will lose. His damn birth certificate is on his damn site so thats all the courts will have to go by regardless. nice try though.
Well we will see once all the votes are cast. I have never had much faith in Polls and I especially have no faith at all in anything stated by the Media. (Especially NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, or any of the other extremely biased news stations)
And by the way how do we know they are biased? Well Ask any Republican which stations are biased and they will say pretty much all of them, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Etc. usually only leaving out Fox. Ask any Democrat which stations are biased and you will get one answer, Fox. So obviously the other stations are all putting out information that makes the democrats happy (or else they would mention more then just Fox) because there is no such thing as an unbiased News Station in today's world. They either lean to the left or lean to the right.
Talking about the 'liberal media' (aka 'media elite') seems to be a popular past time for conservatives. I wonder if the networks you listed have been branded with the term 'liberal' because of political coverage or if it's a religious thing. Perhaps, these networks don't mention Jesus or values enough, that could make them liberal. Perhaps conservatives use the term 'elite' because reporters have college degrees and speak with a certain eloquance not taught in high school.
It strange two days ago i read Obama has a good lead over McCain.Then yesterday I read there just about even.Do i smell something funny..For some reason i got this gut feeling McCain is going to win.But to be real honest i dont care for either one and or the others.
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Well we will see once all the votes are cast. I have never had much faith in Polls and I especially have no faith at all in anything stated by the Media. (Especially NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, or any of the other extremely biased news stations)
And by the way how do we know they are biased? Well Ask any Republican which stations are biased and they will say pretty much all of them, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Etc. usually only leaving out Fox. Ask any Democrat which stations are biased and you will get one answer, Fox. So obviously the other stations are all putting out information that makes the democrats happy (or else they would mention more then just Fox) because there is no such thing as an unbiased News Station in today's world. They either lean to the left or lean to the right.
Talking about the 'liberal media' (aka 'media elite') seems to be a popular past time for conservatives. I wonder if the networks you listed have been branded with the term 'liberal' because of political coverage or if it's a religious thing. Perhaps, these networks don't mention Jesus or values enough, that could make them liberal. Perhaps conservatives use the term 'elite' because reporters have college degrees and speak with a certain eloquance not taught in high school.
Makes you wonder.
Or perhaps it is because they overwhelmingly favor pro democratic news and anti Republican news.
It has nothing to do with Religion. Although a lot of magazines are attributing Obama's surge due to his courting of the evangical vote. I saw an article from Time Magazine talking about how the Democrats are not ignoring religion anymore.
It especially isn't due to College Degrees. Especially since the parties are pretty much equally represented with College degrees and income level over 75K.
Why can't you just admit that the proof shows bias? Political donations from media and entertainment heavily skew to the Liberal side.
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Theres an extremely good chance Obama will lose. The polls dont show anything really, and if anything theyre not doing the democrats any favors. When it comes to elections, democrats are extremely lazy. Give dems a reason not to vote and they wont, like a huge lead in polls. Its the mindset of "he'll win, no reason for me to vote" will keep people at home instead of voting.
republicans are much more organized and much more active in elections. not nearly as lazy as democrats so you can expect them to be at the polls in full force.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
I'd be positively shocked if Obama doesn't get at least 310 electoral votes. Shocked.
Something drastic would have to happen for Obama to lose this now. Barring something drastic Obama has this comfortably (5-7 points).
well, dont be too upset with the results of the election. We're going to be better off than we have been for the past 8 years regardless of who wins. Dont let anyone convince you otherwise.
Speaking for myself, I think that both candidates really offer something good for us all. I dont agree with certain things on both sides, but I definitely have a candidate in mind that I'll be voting for. The seperation between them on key issues is very minimal. The seperation between them on smaller issues is slightly larger, but again these are not major concerns of mine. (again speaking for myself and not what others consider "key issues")
I know theres some folks here, and people that I personally know who will be completely livid if the candidate they chose doesnt win. Try not to be one of them, because in the end nobody is going to give you everything you want. Especially between these two.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
This has been true in the past, but not this year. Democrats are organized and mobilized this election season. Another thing polls don't reflect are most of the voters who have no landline phones. The 'cell phone only crowd' are also more liberal voters. Then, there's the republicans who are so disenchanted about the job Bush has done. It's the perfect storm that the democrats needed to sweep the election.
Not only will Obama win the presidency, I predict the democrats will pick up the 9 seats needed to make them philibuster proof in the Senate.
Listen to Obama's points. He is using a fear tactic to swing people to him. He is HOPING fear will CHANGE people's mind to vote for him.
There may be another video, but this time threatening an attack if Obama doesn't win. That is truly the only way he can win - instilling fear into everyone.
Wasnt that the Bush administration campaign? Instilling fear into the American society? Yes, in fact it was. WMD WMD WMD TERRORISTS WMD WMD WMD TERRORISTS!
I think that was much more a case of the Jihad against all of us that did that. Plus I don't, and didn't see a lot of fear, at least around where I live -- just some anger and a healthy dose of resolve.
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You still didn't answer my question on the other page. Flip back Dekron.
No, I do not think he will win.
LMAO...
JUST THIS MORNING>>>>>
a poll asking people if they would change their vote while IN the voting box...
It was like 13% of people said they might change their vote.
They broke it down by dems and repubs
There may be another video, but this time threatening an attack if Obama doesn't win. That is truly the only way he can win - instilling fear into everyone.
That would be interesting, reverse fearmongering.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I think he'll lose, and numbers do lie. Just ask Obama's campaign advisors for heavens sake they made out like minks before bking their companies.
I hope the American People will wake the heck up and vote. Obama is a half and half as Jefferson used to say, he's have white, have black.
How does he treat the white grandparents that raised him? Not very well I see. Where is his father and step father and their relatives??? Look it up. It'll scare the underwear off you.
I want Condi Rice for Prez. But am voting McCain/Palin as are oodles of people.
Just go ahead and look up the white half of Obama and that group of family members, and the black and Indian/Pakistani ones.
Then tell me. Do you honestly want a lunatic like that? We've had bad before (Clinton, Hoover etc...) but not a mad man with a lunatic fringe family and extended family(s)
You still didn't answer my question on the other page. Flip back Dekron.
No, I do not think he will win.
That's not what I asked. I asked you why you have such a bad memory of previous elections.
As did Al Gore, but he lost as well. Polls do not matter. It only matters what people select behind the curtain.
but the early vote polls are behind the curtain.
I dont know if he will win but this is certainly a race of old/new with majority of older people voting for mccain and younger people for obama. it will come down to really undecided states and people who say they are voting for obama then get behind the curtain and say mccain mccain mccain. Just be honest people dont lie is all im saying no one will judge you. Only the black people will and we've been judging white people since slavery so why care now.
I missed that post, apologies.
I never stated anything of Gore leading him throughout the entire campaign. I do not see your point. Polls before the election, whether a month or 3 days, showed Gore in the lead. Exit polls showed Gore in the lead.
I honestly don't see by me stating Gore was ahead either implied I spoke of the entire campaign, or somehow I was wrong. I think you are nitpicking here.
You're not implying that he uses cocaine, are you?
Cocaine street name would be White girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCzotYPU8jE they are talking about coke not christina haha.
I missed that post, apologies.
I never stated anything of Gore leading him throughout the entire campaign. I do not see your point. Polls before the election, whether a month or 3 days, showed Gore in the lead. Exit polls showed Gore in the lead.
I honestly don't see by me stating Gore was ahead either implied I spoke of the entire campaign, or somehow I was wrong. I think you are nitpicking here.
It's cool.
I was speaking of his lead now and you said that Gore had the same lead.
But Gore had been trailing for well over a month and at this point in the election cycle was 5 points back. I listed some archived polls and polls of polls. Gore was down anywhere from 3-9 points from Oct 1st until 2 days before the election.
So to say that Gore was ahead 3 days before or a month before is dead wrong. Gore was able to essentially pull even 1-2 days before when GWB's DUI came out.
Well, once obama gets deported back to kenya. he will indeed lose.
Still a tight race. Currently looks to be that McCain needs to win all of the Swing States, and Obama needs to hold on to wavering New Mexico or Virginia.
The deciding state may very well be good old problem child Florida.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I read that an internal poll by Obama's camp shows that he is only leading by 2% in Pennsylvania compared to the National Poll showing a 13% lead by Obama.
There is a chance that McCain could take Pennsylvania. If he does and he takes OH and FL there is a chance that he wins.
I really believe that comments by the Dems and Obama are really hurting his campaign.
For instance.
Barack's "Spread the wealth" comment has been hurting him.
Murtha's "Racist" and then he switched it to "Rednecks" is really hurting in Pennsylvania.
I think there is a pretty good chance that McCain will win this election.
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You don't actually believe that do you?
Read Karl Rove's opinion piece today...he basically said at the end that the early voting might be spelling McCain's demise as we speak no matter what happens from this day forward.
For other posters:
Virginia is wavering? Lol. How much does Obama need to be ahead by before you recognize the lead Obama has?
You don't actually believe that do you?
Read Karl Rove's opinion piece today...he basically said at the end that the early voting might be spelling McCain's demise as we speak no matter what happens from this day forward.
For other posters:
Virginia is wavering? Lol. How much does Obama need to be ahead by before you recognize the lead Obama has?
Well we will see once all the votes are cast.
I have never had much faith in Polls and I especially have no faith at all in anything stated by the Media. (Especially NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, or any of the other extremely biased news stations)
And by the way how do we know they are biased? Well Ask any Republican which stations are biased and they will say pretty much all of them, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Etc. usually only leaving out Fox.
Ask any Democrat which stations are biased and you will get one answer, Fox.
So obviously the other stations are all putting out information that makes the democrats happy (or else they would mention more then just Fox) because there is no such thing as an unbiased News Station in today's world. They either lean to the left or lean to the right.
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obama aint going to get deported to no where. Stupid media hype crap propaganda for mccain. No proof that he was born in Kenya so they will lose. His damn birth certificate is on his damn site so thats all the courts will have to go by regardless. nice try though.
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Then we will see who is the Victor.
Talking about the 'liberal media' (aka 'media elite') seems to be a popular past time for conservatives. I wonder if the networks you listed have been branded with the term 'liberal' because of political coverage or if it's a religious thing. Perhaps, these networks don't mention Jesus or values enough, that could make them liberal. Perhaps conservatives use the term 'elite' because reporters have college degrees and speak with a certain eloquance not taught in high school.
Makes you wonder.
It strange two days ago i read Obama has a good lead over McCain.Then yesterday I read there just about even.Do i smell something funny..For some reason i got this gut feeling McCain is going to win.But to be real honest i dont care for either one and or the others.
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
Talking about the 'liberal media' (aka 'media elite') seems to be a popular past time for conservatives. I wonder if the networks you listed have been branded with the term 'liberal' because of political coverage or if it's a religious thing. Perhaps, these networks don't mention Jesus or values enough, that could make them liberal. Perhaps conservatives use the term 'elite' because reporters have college degrees and speak with a certain eloquance not taught in high school.
Makes you wonder.
Or perhaps it is because they overwhelmingly favor pro democratic news and anti Republican news.
It has nothing to do with Religion. Although a lot of magazines are attributing Obama's surge due to his courting of the evangical vote. I saw an article from Time Magazine talking about how the Democrats are not ignoring religion anymore.
It especially isn't due to College Degrees. Especially since the parties are pretty much equally represented with College degrees and income level over 75K.
Why can't you just admit that the proof shows bias? Political donations from media and entertainment heavily skew to the Liberal side.
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