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Why I am voting for John McCain
xpyrofuryx
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First off, hey everyone, I havent been on for a while, hope this place is still the intelligent debating forum its always been.
Anyway, some background on me: I am 18 years old and and in my senior year at high school. I live in Reading, Pennsylvania (a popular Democratic state). I'm a computer technician right now and was just accepted into Penn State to major in Computer Science and Business. I plan to start my own business. I live with just my mom and we are middle-class (she earns about $60,000 a year i believe).
You would probably look at me and think Democrat, but I look into things a lot and am very up-to-date on current events and the world. This is the opinion I have formed from everything I learned and I whole-heartedly believe in it.
Taxes.This is a big one, this is probably the most important things about McCain versus Obama for me. In general McCains policy is tax breaks for everyone, wether smaller or bigger breaks depending on your income. In some areas it might rise but the most important is tax breaks for businesses, especially small businesses. Obama on the other hand is going the "Spread the wealth" way. He wants tax cuts for the middle-class and lower-class and tax raises on the high-class and especially businesses. He wants to raise the taxes on small businesses to 50.3% from its current 37.9%. This is absolutely poposturous. I cant even fathom how he could think about doing this. That means for every dollar a small business earns it can only keep 49cents, the government gets the rest. That is not right. Small businesses already have a very high fail rate, and in the economy now its even higher. Now to take away the profit these businesses make it will make a huge portion more fail, and countless less have to deal with it someway with cut-backs. These cut-backs are going to come prodominately by either laying people off or not hiring people they would hire had they had the extra money to do so. So in essense what Obama wants to do will result in job losses for many people. Now the basic principles will be the same for corporations except it will just be way more job losses rather than complete failings. So, there, more job loss. Obamas tax plan is going to cripple the businesses of America, which is as you know already with a crippled economy. The Economy is the businesses. Now the reason he wants to do this is so he can take that extra money and put it into government programs and such to help out the lower-class and middle-class. He argues that the high-class so so much money and that the lower classes dont have money and that the wealth should be distributed to help out the lower classes. The major flaw here is it represents higher class people wrongly. The high-class has been stereotyped as rich snobs that just sit on their money all day and laugh at poor people. This is not true. They dont not use the money they have. They use it to create businesses and invest in business to be created. These businesses create jobs. Where are these lower class people getting their money? from businesses, that are owned and most likely started by a rich person. To take the money away from them is to take away businesses and hence jobs. So no rich people = no businesses = no jobs = no money for anyone, even lower class people whom are meant to be the benefactors of this approach.
Now also, im going to touch upon something some people will probably get mad for me bringing up. Socialism. Wether you want to admit it or not Obamas approach to this is Socialism. The idea of spreading the wealth from the rich to the poor to make it "fair" for everyone. As I pointed out it doesnt really work. Not only is it taking socialist ideas but its taking one of the two main parts. Socialsm can (in theory) work by doing the "spread the wealth" technique but if someone (the government) provides order and the jobs. He's taking the part where the poor people get money but without the part of having the jobs created.
Also Capitalism runs on one main, very important idea. Incentive. This is so very necessary and the main engine behind Capitalism that makes it run. This is the main reason the U.S.S.R. failed along with communism. There is no incentive to create that new invention or start a business because it doesnt reward you.
Why should I, a high school student, work hard to get good, grades, to get in a good college, and get a good GPA. and then work hard at work, when someone else who dropped out of high school, and is living off of welfare and unemployment checks is having a flow of money. Why should I work hard when I can just give up and live off of the government. Because if I succeed my money is just taken from my anyway to "Spread the wealth". My hard earned money is taken from me and given to someone who does not work hard at all.
Again, if you get anything out of the above paragraphs please get this: Rich people create businesses and jobs for the middle and lower class. They are your source of money, they dont just sit on their money. To take it from them means they are unable to create businesses and jobs and therfor you cut off your own supply of money. This also will damage our economy, which is already hurting. This and incentives are not there when I can just freeload my life.
Some more things I like about McCain are (I know your probably sick of hearing this word) he's a maverick. One of the main things when he gets into office is he is going through every single agency and government program and removing wasteful spending. This is going to cut back our budget a lot, which means higher tax cuts and a lower defecit.
Education will improve with McCain because the infamous "No child left behind act" obviously isnt working. Its not that its really flawed, its just it was never funded properly. They left the money behind for no child left behind. McCain is really for getting this program funded and running properly.
Energy is a big one with McCain/Palin. I personally believe nuclear, solar, and hydroelectric power are the keys to our energy crisis, and McCain supports all of these, especially nuclear greatly. And abviously we all have gas cars so we cant move off of them right away so we need cheaper oil and less foreign oil dependence. off-shore drilling will give a little relief to our wallets for gas.
So here are a few points I have for why McCain will be a great president and why there are many flawed views in Obamas way of presidency. You cant just take money from the rich and give to teh poor like in Robin Hood. Because they provide jobs and are the cogs in the economic machine.
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This is reason enough to vote for McCain:
Though I do not agree with alot of what McCain says, to prevent this from happening every vote for McCain is a vote for american freedom. If the democrats had brought anyone to the the table that was not promoting socialism, they would have had alot more votes.
I have to admit, I wasn't looking forward to reading your wall of text, but I goaded myself into searching for the method to your madness. I was incredibly pleased that you gave me a reason to stop reading so early on.
Fact:
Because the Obama plan preserves existing tax rates for families making less than $250,000 a year, nearly 99 % of small business owners won’t see any tax increase under the Obama plan. Instead, these small firms and business owners are likely to get a tax cut under the Obama plan, which eliminates capital gains taxes for small businesses, provides a new 50% tax credit for health care, and helps lower health care costs to make small businesses competitive.
I have to admit, I wasn't looking forward to reading your wall of text, but I goaded myself into searching for the method to your madness. I was incredibly pleased that you gave me a reason to stop reading so early on.
Fact:
Because the Obama plan preserves existing tax rates for families making less than $250,000 a year, nearly 99 % of small business owners won’t see any tax increase under the Obama plan. Instead, these small firms and business owners are likely to get a tax cut under the Obama plan, which eliminates capital gains taxes for small businesses, provides a new 50% tax credit for health care, and helps lower health care costs to make small businesses competitive.
LOL @ your 99.. not even close they have said it was more like 81. something percent wasnt the correct number. ANyhow what are the ratios on the number of businesses that actually have employees in that percentage? Oh yea they all get taxed, this includes businesses that are just self employed without employees.
"They sell us every thing from youth too religion the same time they sell us our war's"
Political rhetoric rarely has anything in common with national realities
To the OP way to go! The results of this election and the next four years will be the best test of you views.
Welcome back Pyro....glad to hear that you're making as informed a decision as one could hope a voter to make.
I'm putting together a computer right now...waiting for the power supply to arrive (the first was a dud) and then I'll just have to buy vista and I'll be set to go.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Hate to break it to you, but Obama's proposals are impossible with his tax plan. You would need to literally double the income tax rate to cover his proposals. The only way is too cut, and even then he is afraid to cut from the wasteful spending. Saying we need a scalpel instead of a hatchet, when what you need with his is a bulldozer to get it within his tax plans proposal.
This does not include the loss in GDP from increasing the Capital Gains Tax, and increasing the upper income bracket and business tax. Historically, it has been proven the case that the GDP suffers when the above is increased.
I think this is really just an unravelling of his promises and with Obama we wouldn't be sure of what the outcome will be since his promises are impossible. On that fact. 80% of small business owners are independant contractors who don't employ anyone.
I just wish there was a candidate who can win that was for a complete removal of income tax to be substituted with a 1% sales tax, and cut government spending down to necessity.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/NEWS/810240332/-1/NEWS10
don't foget the wall of liberal democrats waiting in line to pork it up too... here's a snippet of the link...
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NEW BEDFORD — After the November election, Democrats will push for a second economic stimulus package that includes money for the states' stalled infrastructure projects, along with help paying for healthcare expenses, food stamps and extended unemployment benefits, U.S. Rep. Barney Frank said Thursday.
In a meeting with the editorial board of The Standard-Times, Rep. Frank, D-Mass., also called for a 25 percent cut in military spending, saying the Pentagon has to start choosing from its many weapons programs, and that upper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.
The military cuts also mean getting out of Iraq sooner, he said.
"The people of Iraq want us out, and we want to stay over their objection," he said. "It's extraordinary." The Maliki government in Iraq "can't sell (the withdrawal deal with the U.S.) because it sounds like we're going to stay too long."
"I was teasing (U.S. Rep.) Jack Murtha (a key supporter of military budgets) and I said to him, 'For the first time, somebody else has got a bill that's almost as big as yours.' We don't need all these fancy new weapons. I think there needs to be additional review."
Rep. Frank called on President Bush to appoint a senior official to guide the economic stimulus packages through the transition to the Barack Obama or John McCain administration when it takes office in January.
And he said that if the Democrats can't find an adequate agreement on a stimulus package in the lame-duck Congress, they would rather wait until the new Congress takes over — likely with many more Democrats, if polling results bear fruit in the November voting.
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it only gets worse the more you read.
Obama's tax proposals are a death sentence for this country.
I'm sick of hearing that 250K bullshit. THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT. democrats want to raise capital gains, that affects ALOT of ppl making less than 250K including myself. Why is Barney Frank making military spending decisions at all? Who gave him that power? oh wait... liberals are trying to. nm.
First, I am happy you are voting.
Second, I am concerned you are basis your decision on inaccurate information.
"Also Capitalism runs on one main, very important idea. Incentive."
Capitalism "main" and "very important" idea is private ownership of property.
"Rich people create businesses and jobs for the middle and lower class."
I hear this fairly enough, and it makes me sad. Yes. Sad. I usually laugh, grin, and just ignore these things when middle-class people say it.
Most jobs are the result of the employee's skills, talents, energy, discipline, and efforts. You are in the "trade and business" of your employment.
Most small and mid-sized businesses, especially closely held corporations, partnerships, family trusts, limited liability companies, and so forth are not "owned" by "rich" people.
It is middle-class people, working their asses off, with other middle-class people to supply a product or service for society.
Examples:
Yeah it's kinda hard to let that one slide.
The truth is, for over a decade the only thing the rich have been concerned with is shipping jobs beyond our borders.
Kinda makes the whole right vs left thing, including taxes, socialism and the rest of it, outdated propaganda.
First, I am happy you are voting.
Second, I am concerned you are basis your decision on inaccurate information.
"Also Capitalism runs on one main, very important idea. Incentive."
Capitalism "main" and "very important" idea is private ownership of property.
"Rich people create businesses and jobs for the middle and lower class."
I hear this fairly enough, and it makes me sad. Yes. Sad. I usually laugh, grin, and just ignore these things when middle-class people say it.
Most jobs are the result of the employee's skills, talents, energy, discipline, and efforts. You are in the "trade and business" of your employment.
Most small and mid-sized businesses, especially closely held corporations, partnerships, family trusts, limited liability companies, and so forth are not "owned" by "rich" people.
It is middle-class people, working their asses off, with other middle-class people to supply a product or service for society.
Examples:
LOL! You are so incorrect here, again trying to solve an equation while omitting most of the information.
Bakery (well the one Down the street from me has a total of 3 employees). Tax firms -(seasonal employees) Construction- (seasonal employees) Resteraunt- dependsing on the area makes well over $250,000 a year.
Now you say that the "rich " are some how providing jobs? And that because their business gets benefits that somehow matters to their bottom line? WRONG!
1. the only thing that matters to a business owner is bottom line profit they take home, you try to send more of that the "governments way" and they take it out on employees and consumers. That is juts how it works, you dip their pockets they dip yours. Benfits to the business mean nothing if you attack what they are taking home.
2. We reinvest in our communities with our money, if it were not for the wealthy we would not have the ability to provide for the sheer number of charities, beautification projects ,or housing for the homeless. It is our wealthy making up for the difference here, it should be their decision on how they spend their money because it IS their money, they did not steal this money, they did not "rob " a bank they worked for it and it should be their choice how they spend it, not the governments.
3.if 80% of all businesses do not have employees, and and what is it 81.3 % will not be affected by the tax increase ( his 95% was a lie) how many business owners that have employees will have their pockets dipped into? almost all of them? oh wow, that shouldn't affect the people they employ at all right?
In the past for some reason when they raised taxes on the wealthy, why is it the overall tax revenues did not increase? why did unemployment rise? hmmm noo the Tax increase had Nothing to do with it right? LOL!
Yeah it's kinda hard to let that one slide.
The truth is, for over a decade the only thing the rich have been concerned with is shipping jobs beyond our borders.
Kinda makes the whole right vs left thing, including taxes, socialism and the rest of it, outdated propaganda.
What is Obama doing to encourage businesses to stay in the US? IS either candidate proposing to make it better for americans to buy american? Is anyone proposing to plug up the syphon draining all of the money out of this country then taxing it when it comes back? Is anyone actually making it more profitable for business owners to have their business in the US vs importing to the US? Until that is done jobs will be lost. You can give businesses all the incentives in the world to come here, but the only one that matters is their bottom line profit, what goes home with them. you take too much of that and nothing else matters.
I have to admit, I wasn't looking forward to reading your wall of text, but I goaded myself into searching for the method to your madness. I was incredibly pleased that you gave me a reason to stop reading so early on.
Fact:
Because the Obama plan preserves existing tax rates for families making less than $250,000 a year, nearly 99 % of small business owners won’t see any tax increase under the Obama plan. Instead, these small firms and business owners are likely to get a tax cut under the Obama plan, which eliminates capital gains taxes for small businesses, provides a new 50% tax credit for health care, and helps lower health care costs to make small businesses competitive.
Buzz, you know I respect you about as much as a conservative can respect a liberal, but you can't honestly believe that Obama seriously intends to cut people's taxes. He's a politician. Of course he's going to say he's going to give America a middle class tax cut in order to get elected. Bill Clinton did the very same thing in 1992. Then after he got into office, he told America he agonized over the decision, but when he looked more closely at the numbers he "realized" that the government just couldn't afford a middle class tax cut at that time. Look for Obama to do the very same thing.
First, I am happy you are voting.
Second, I am concerned you are basis your decision on inaccurate information.
"Also Capitalism runs on one main, very important idea. Incentive."
Capitalism "main" and "very important" idea is private ownership of property.
"Rich people create businesses and jobs for the middle and lower class."
I hear this fairly enough, and it makes me sad. Yes. Sad. I usually laugh, grin, and just ignore these things when middle-class people say it.
Most jobs are the result of the employee's skills, talents, energy, discipline, and efforts. You are in the "trade and business" of your employment.
Most small and mid-sized businesses, especially closely held corporations, partnerships, family trusts, limited liability companies, and so forth are not "owned" by "rich" people.
It is middle-class people, working their asses off, with other middle-class people to supply a product or service for society.
Examples:
LOL! You are so incorrect here, again trying to solve an equation while omitting most of the information.
Bakery (well the one Down the street from me has a total of 3 employees). Tax firms -(seasonal employees) Construction- (seasonal employees) Resteraunt- dependsing on the area makes well over $250,000 a year.
Now you say that the "rich " are some how providing jobs? And that because their business gets benefits that somehow matters to their bottom line? WRONG!
1. the only thing that matters to a business owner is bottom line profit they take home, you try to send more of that the "governments way" and they take it out on employees and consumers. That is juts how it works, you dip their pockets they dip yours. Benfits to the business mean nothing if you attack what they are taking home.
2. We reinvest in our communities with our money, if it were not for the wealthy we would not have the ability to provide for the sheer number of charities, beautification projects ,or housing for the homeless. It is our wealthy making up for the difference here, it should be their decision on how they spend their money because it IS their money, they did not steal this money, they did not "rob " a bank they worked for it and it should be their choice how they spend it, not the governments.
3.if 80% of all businesses do not have employees, and and what is it 81.3 % will not be affected by the tax increase ( his 95% was a lie) how many business owners that have employees will have their pockets dipped into? almost all of them? oh wow, that shouldn't affect the people they employ at all right?
In the past for some reason when they raised taxes on the wealthy, why is it the overall tax revenues did not increase? why did unemployment rise? hmmm noo the Tax increase had Nothing to do with it right? LOL!
Yeah, Yeah, we hear you. Basically, the wealthy can steal from the working class because it was there money to start with. You try to take a little back, though, and you run into a clown like you.
None of that stuff you said up there is important. Money has only been flowing one way in this country for a long time, and a large percentage of it is going abroad.
The middle-class has been depleted and until that changes you won't have economic growth. Your solution...give the rich a tax break...good luck with that m8
You do realize that many people in this country have started out with nothing, then chose to pull 123hr work weeks like myself just to get to the point where they are today? WHy is it we have a black french man telling us we are crazy for even discussing socialism, that he left his country because of it and came here because he could build his own future. My friends from Belguim tell me the same thing. This country was made by people building their own futures and they did it on the same playing field, you just have to put forth the effort. Want economic growth?
1. plug up the syphon draining this country, and give people incentives to make what we use in the US here in the US.
2. shrink the government and allow people to keep their money, a flat tax like Hong Kong worked wonders there, they did not even have any resources it is a rock.. but yet became a financial capital of the world because of the business policies, it take practically nothing to start a business there, everyone is taxed the same and you get to keep what you earn. You do not need a mountain of paperwork permits and licenses to get started there. That IS why it was so successful.
3. teach our children how to think for themselves in school rather than memorize useless information. The way we teach our children is disabling this country. they go fill out job aplications then go home and wait for something to happen, they have lost their drive for doing for themselves. Why would you want to work for someone else when if you just used your head you could be much happier working for yourself?
1. plug up the syphon draining this country, and give people incentives to make what we use in the US here in the US.
2. shrink the government and allow people to keep their money, a flat tax like Hong Kong worked wonders there, they did not even have any resources it is a rock.. but yet became a financial capital of the world because of the business policies, it take practically nothing to start a business there, everyone is taxed the same and you get to keep what you earn. You do not need a mountain of paperwork permits and licenses to get started there. That IS why it was so successful.
3. teach our children how to think for themselves in school rather than memorize useless information. The way we teach our children is disabling this country. they go fill out job aplications then go home and wait for something to happen, they have lost their drive for doing for themselves. Why would you want to work for someone else when if you just used your head you could be much happier working for yourself?
I agree with every thing you said,"except the black Frenchman part" that was just wrong.
What you fail to realize is that your being lied too. After 8 years it is painfully clear that the republicans have absolutely no desire to reduce the size of government or cut taxes on the working people of this country.
Taxes come in many forms my friend 14 hundred billion to bail out Iraq and wall street is a pretty big tax(Don't even get me started on the socialism aspect of this). Remember, with effective leadership not a dime of that money would need to be spent.
It comes down to accountability; I'm sure you can appreciate that. Failure on this scale must be punished. Add to this, the Democrats are the only people in the last two decades to actually balance a budget and show a surplus, and at the same time reduce the size of government. Well, It's pretty clear they have earned there chance. Notice the word EARNED there, I thought you might like it.
1. plug up the syphon draining this country, and give people incentives to make what we use in the US here in the US.
2. shrink the government and allow people to keep their money, a flat tax like Hong Kong worked wonders there, they did not even have any resources it is a rock.. but yet became a financial capital of the world because of the business policies, it take practically nothing to start a business there, everyone is taxed the same and you get to keep what you earn. You do not need a mountain of paperwork permits and licenses to get started there. That IS why it was so successful.
3. teach our children how to think for themselves in school rather than memorize useless information. The way we teach our children is disabling this country. they go fill out job aplications then go home and wait for something to happen, they have lost their drive for doing for themselves. Why would you want to work for someone else when if you just used your head you could be much happier working for yourself?
I agree with every thing you said,"except the black Frenchman part" that was just wrong.
What you fail to realize is that your being lied too. After 8 years it is painfully clear that the republicans have absolutely no desire to reduce the size of government or cut taxes on the working people of this country.
Taxes come in many forms my friend 14 hundred billion to bail out Iraq and wall street is a pretty big tax(Don't even get me started on the socialism aspect of this). Remember, with effective leadership not a dime of that money would need to be spent.
It comes down to accountability; I'm sure you can appreciate that. Failure on this scale must be punished. Add to this, the Democrats are the only people in the last two decades to actually balance a budget and show a surplus, and at the same time reduce the size of government. Well, It's pretty clear they have earned there chance. Notice the word EARNED there, I thought you might like it.
Please dont pull that McCain is the same as Bush stuff. He's not. He is definately not Bush. The past 8 years arent what McCain is going to bring.
Thank you for the welcome! I'm glad to hear that about teh computer (except the dud PSU thing lol) what are the details/specs of it?
1. plug up the syphon draining this country, and give people incentives to make what we use in the US here in the US.
2. shrink the government and allow people to keep their money, a flat tax like Hong Kong worked wonders there, they did not even have any resources it is a rock.. but yet became a financial capital of the world because of the business policies, it take practically nothing to start a business there, everyone is taxed the same and you get to keep what you earn. You do not need a mountain of paperwork permits and licenses to get started there. That IS why it was so successful.
3. teach our children how to think for themselves in school rather than memorize useless information. The way we teach our children is disabling this country. they go fill out job aplications then go home and wait for something to happen, they have lost their drive for doing for themselves. Why would you want to work for someone else when if you just used your head you could be much happier working for yourself?
I agree with every thing you said,"except the black Frenchman part" that was just wrong.
What you fail to realize is that your being lied too. After 8 years it is painfully clear that the republicans have absolutely no desire to reduce the size of government or cut taxes on the working people of this country.
Taxes come in many forms my friend 14 hundred billion to bail out Iraq and wall street is a pretty big tax(Don't even get me started on the socialism aspect of this). Remember, with effective leadership not a dime of that money would need to be spent.
It comes down to accountability; I'm sure you can appreciate that. Failure on this scale must be punished. Add to this, the Democrats are the only people in the last two decades to actually balance a budget and show a surplus, and at the same time reduce the size of government. Well, It's pretty clear they have earned there chance. Notice the word EARNED there, I thought you might like it.
Please dont pull that McCain is the same as Bush stuff. He's not. He is definately not Bush. The past 8 years arent what McCain is going to bring.
I never said or implied that. I said republicans. They had six years of complete control to do the things that needed to be done and they failed. There needs to be accountability for that.
I live in georgia and it's pretty die hard republican in my part of town. my friends and I had a debate and it ended with passionate anger and him calling me stupid because I dont give a crap about spreading the wealth lol. hey, Im competitiive, like a true capitalist, I want my tax cut. the top 5% can suck it (I think it's 2% for 2009). Anyways it all comes down to priorities
And my top priority isn't whether some bugger is gonna benefit from a tax cut. It is not a handout., it's tax releif. just read this whole tax section on Obama's website: origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
My main priorities are: energy independence (this one is great for the future of our country / our children), better health care, better education, and lower taxes for my family who is struggling right now in this economic crisis vs. a war-type president with a temper problem and one of the worst choice for VP possible.
Also, I think Obama is better for the economy
1. During Reagen trickle down worked because the work was in the USA. But with Bush and McCain giving all those tax breaks to companies that would go overseas, now the money trickles overseas and the American people get laid off
2. Taxing the execs won't create less jobs if there are regulations in place to limit exploitation.
3. Big businesses and rich CEOs from corps make so much anyway is because they exploit their workers to no end
4. The rest of the western civilized world has figured out how to tax big business their share, and they are doing just fine, job wise
5. The war on Iraq is a great example of big government spending. I rather more than half the war money go towards my main priorities over war (energy independence, health care, education)
6. there is going to be 10's of thousands of new jobs created by the new energy programs.
7. We've tried wealth redistribution for the wealthy, via Bush's tax cuts for the rich which McCain favors renewing. That did not work. They didn't create jobs and they didn't increase wages for the middle class. Spreading the wealth to the rich is no better than spreading it to the poor. Americans now pay less in taxes than at any time since WWII. The low tax rate, in effect for eight years now, has not produced anything resembling general prosperity.
8. the rich and the big corporations don't have anything without workers to do their dirty work and make their products. Wealthy people have the cash to take advantage of the current tax system so that someone making $250K a year actually pays less in taxes than someone making 65K a year. And they can save for a better retirement without having to pay taxes on the money that goes into that retirement account.
9. Obama is for regulation of the market. McCain is against it. We saw how a market can crash without regulation.
10. Tens of thousands of jobs will be created through 'energy services' and when the poor have enough money to get off welfare, they too will be getting jobs and contributing to our economy.
I'm not gonna let it bug me that some upper class people will pay higher taxes, or that some lower class people will pay less taxes. Who should have more money, the greedy or the lazy? But those cases are of much less importance to me when I look at my main priorities. (see above)
Also, Obama seems like an all around better person - intelligence wise. he also seems less susceptible to greed.. and its the fat pigs at the top that bother me more than the skinny dogs at the bottom. Corruption is bad. All pigs must die.
1.Your being naive.Not everyone in America pays taxes.Corporations dont pay taxes at all.They wrap it up in the price of the product.Taxes go up on a corporation and guess what so does the price.
2.Obama has gotten money from the failed mortgage loan industry as well as Mccain.LINK
Vote for REAL change and vote libertarian.Both parties are out of touch.Obama is no different than any of the others he is just more charming.He has you fooled doesnt he?
Obama is a marxist in a suit.Do the research and you will see the similarities.Research Karl Marx.
What is your physical limit?
1.Your being naive.Not everyone in America pays taxes.Corporations dont pay taxes at all.They wrap it up in the price of the product.Taxes go up on a corporation and guess what so does the price.
Ohhhh he didn't just say that out load. You Go
Still, the Democrats have earned the right to try, and voting 3rd party is what got us in this mess in the first place.
1.Your being naive.Not everyone in America pays taxes.Corporations dont pay taxes at all.They wrap it up in the price of the product.Taxes go up on a corporation and guess what so does the price.
Ohhhh he didn't just say that out load. You Go
Still, the Democrats have earned the right to try, and voting 3rd party is what got us in this mess in the first place.
Oh Please vote 3rd party , unlike 2000 when Nader was a factor, any 3rd party vote would only help Obama and hurt McCain in this election.
In Fact , You can go ahead and make me your write in Candidate , Everybody loves that Jestor!
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I see a lot of McCain supporters convinced that he doesnt operate like a republican.
Good for you! The Maverick propaganda worked
every time hes challenged on his overly conservative policies all he says is "well im a maverick" and starts shooting holes in Obamas policies without explaining his own.
rock on!
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
Okay that's it! I am so sick and tired of hearning" left wing/ right wing, republicans / democrats , & conservative/ liberals. Each politician regardless of party is an indivdual. Just because we have some good and some bad in both parties does not amke them act as one action, and all do not take credit or get blame for their actions.
There are good democrats such as Marcy Kaptur, and good republicans such as Jeb Hensalring, but as for the majority of the rest of them? They need to be tossed out on their asses. Bottom line they are crooks! What we need is a serious house cleaning in the senate and the house and get people in there that are looking out for our best interests.
I am tired of blame and credit going to the mass when both sides of the mass is a corrupt pile of bullshit. Obama supports socialism, do all democrats? NO! Obama supports partial birth abortion, do all democrats or even the majority of those that are pro choice support this? HELL NO! Obama supports this tax increase and big government , do all democrats ? NO! the same can be said for issues that republicans disagree on, I am sick of people being reffered by their party affiliation and not by what they believe, what they have done and what they plan on doing.
Quit thinking party lines and look at who they are what they have done where their votes have gone and what they plan on doing, and decide your vote from that and nothing else, because that is the only thing that will matter when they are making decisions that affect us all.