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nightwing70
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Darkfall or Mortal online?
They both look very similar but I think Darkfall should launch fast so they can be the "WoW" and Mortal to be the "War" before Mortal Online just says too late to darkfall.
If you know about Mortal Online then which game do you think is better so far by reading what they have
If you pick darkfall then why? If you pick Mortal online then why?
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What's the point, you post it in the DarkCult forum, ofc they will vote DF
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At this point, they're both Vaporware.
DF is going to be released way before Mortal Online even attempts a close beta.
Once MO releases everyone will call it a DF clone with better graphics even though it wont be.
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Mortal online won't be released for years.
If it is released next year it will suck because of the short dev time.
Also I generally find that any game that doesn't have a custom engine normally sucks.
Not optomistic about it really.
You posted in the darkfall cult of this website.
Mortal Online is vaporware, and it will only condense once the holy prophet Tasos finally delivers his promises to us.
They both look like really good games. You can't say one game is better than the other before they come out because that just shows you are a fanboy and completely ignorant to the fact that the game could preform very poorly even though it has all the features it promised.
I'll try both out but only if Darkfall gets boring.
DF will come out first. When Mortal comes out, ill give it a try. But DF>Mortal, since DF has release date.
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release date? More like release year.
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I would vote Mortal online.
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DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
dont know anything about mortal online yet really other than some vague stuff they write on their webpage.
In order to compare it to DF it should at least have:
- full loot
- player owned cities/hamlets.
- player owned ressources to fight over.
- sieges
- huge world with 10k players online with no instances
- sea/ship warfare
- mounted pvp
- pvp involving 200 people possible
...but it says nothing about any of that on the webpage, so I can only assume it will suck like the other mmorpgs based on the same engine, like Vanguard/Fury.
Let me add one more thing, DF is the first and only game I will ever follow like this before launch. Life is too short to fucking follow and hype a game 7 years like I did with DF. From now on I will wait and try games when they release and not before that.
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DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
LOL obvious troll is obvious.
Im all for looking into Mortal Online. But only the absolutely insane would think that Mortal Online is less vaporewarez than DF and will come out first. Notice they dont even meet the requirements yet on this site as an mmo... yea gg
Even you as a troll have to admit DF is further along than mortal....eveytime i see guys like you really reaching for these troll posts the more excited I and others get about DF because when the fanbois of other games get this defensive about it, you know it has to be good.
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I'm waiting till December to see what Darkfall does. Otherwise I have another game I that can hold me off.
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DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
Considering the release date Aventurine has announced for DF is 2008, one can assume this is there inteded release. They have said repeatedly that it will be out before the end of 2008. By the way, if the word of DF devs isn't good enough why is the word of MO devs good enough?
At this point you have proven to be uninformed and merely a troll lol.
Since it was even on the news that DF is releasing before the end of 2008 because the DF devs TOLD them they were at the press conference lol.
That explains why you are here though. You clearly are waiting for MO to launch and are clearly simply here to troll lol.
As far as what DarkFall is promising, MO is promising some of the same. The engine DarkFall is using was built specificaly for DarkFall so I have higher hopes for there engine since there won't be the usual incompatability that most MMO's suffer from using an engine they don't fully understand. Case in point, Dark and Light, after Pix left no one knew how to program so it was compatible with the engine lol.
Honestly though I simply prefer DarkFall because it is more sandbox of the two, MO has some themepark elements I am not overly fond of. That is just my opinion, but it has just as much chance at launching as DarkFall and has just as much chance at being fun as well. All a matter of taste, just because it doesn't suit me from it's feature list at the moment doesn't mean it won't suit anothers taste.
i agree.. i see DFO atleast getting released at this point mortal is a "what if" I plan on trying mortal if they release it. I try all MMO atleast once.. but from what im reading about DFO it will probably be my main game for awhile if they come through with all they are supposely gonna implant into the game.
DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
Considering the release date Aventurine has announced for DF is 2008, one can assume this is there inteded release. They have said repeatedly that it will be out before the end of 2008. By the way, if the word of DF devs isn't good enough why is the word of MO devs good enough?
At this point you have proven to be uninformed and merely a troll lol.
Since it was even on the news that DF is releasing before the end of 2008 because the DF devs TOLD them they were at the press conference lol.
That explains why you are here though. You clearly are waiting for MO to launch and are clearly simply here to troll lol.
As far as what DarkFall is promising, MO is promising some of the same. The engine DarkFall is using was built specificaly for DarkFall so I have higher hopes for there engine since there won't be the usual incompatability that most MMO's suffer from using an engine they don't fully understand. Case in point, Dark and Light, after Pix left no one knew how to program so it was compatible with the engine lol.
Honestly though I simply prefer DarkFall because it is more sandbox of the two, MO has some themepark elements I am not overly fond of. That is just my opinion, but it has just as much chance at launching as DarkFall and has just as much chance at being fun as well. All a matter of taste, just because it doesn't suit me from it's feature list at the moment doesn't mean it won't suit anothers taste.
Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that beta was supposed to have started EVERY YEAR for the past 3-4 years straight? MO developers have yet to give us a reason not to trust them.
This here shows your true stupidity... Because they said it on the *news" it must be true. lmao. Seriously, lmao. The news? The fucking news? Priceless.
The engine made for Darkfall was made by a bunch of amateurs and will be fail. lol@ 200FPS, that's a load of shit. You wouldn't even get that with the U3 engine and I assure you it is much better than Aventurines crack baby.
What theme park elements does MO have, point them out to me please, I must have missed them.
When DF doesn't even launch beta this year, nevermind the game, I will be the one making a post on these forums laughing at the fanbois who can't understand that if it sounds too good to be true, it is, and especially when you have a dev(Tasos)that is full of shit backing it up.
How was beta back in 2005, by the way?
see my other thread about why you are now a hypocrit, and there is no way to deny it.
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DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
Considering the release date Aventurine has announced for DF is 2008, one can assume this is there inteded release. They have said repeatedly that it will be out before the end of 2008. By the way, if the word of DF devs isn't good enough why is the word of MO devs good enough?
At this point you have proven to be uninformed and merely a troll lol.
Since it was even on the news that DF is releasing before the end of 2008 because the DF devs TOLD them they were at the press conference lol.
That explains why you are here though. You clearly are waiting for MO to launch and are clearly simply here to troll lol.
As far as what DarkFall is promising, MO is promising some of the same. The engine DarkFall is using was built specificaly for DarkFall so I have higher hopes for there engine since there won't be the usual incompatability that most MMO's suffer from using an engine they don't fully understand. Case in point, Dark and Light, after Pix left no one knew how to program so it was compatible with the engine lol.
Honestly though I simply prefer DarkFall because it is more sandbox of the two, MO has some themepark elements I am not overly fond of. That is just my opinion, but it has just as much chance at launching as DarkFall and has just as much chance at being fun as well. All a matter of taste, just because it doesn't suit me from it's feature list at the moment doesn't mean it won't suit anothers taste.
Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that beta was supposed to have started EVERY YEAR for the past 3-4 years straight? MO developers have yet to give us a reason not to trust them.
This here shows your true stupidity... Because they said it on the *news" it must be true. lmao. Seriously, lmao. The news? The fucking news? Priceless.
The engine made for Darkfall was made by a bunch of amateurs and will be fail. lol@ 200FPS, that's a load of shit. You wouldn't even get that with the U3 engine and I assure you it is much better than Aventurines crack baby.
What theme park elements does MO have, point them out to me please, I must have missed them.
When DF doesn't even launch beta this year, nevermind the game, I will be the one making a post on these forums laughing at the fanbois who can't understand that if it sounds too good to be true, it is, and especially when you have a dev(Tasos)that is full of shit backing it up.
How was beta back in 2005, by the way?
lol The point is it was said that no Launch of 2008 was said by DF, I stated it was even said on the news that they will launch 2008 which of course discredits that they have not said it will launch 2008. The dunce hat I am afraid is yours to wear
Again Beta was never promised, they have said we hope and we are shooring for and have done every thing short of a promise. Without any kind of promise there has been no lie.
As far as laughing at the fanbois if it doesn't have beta or launch this year be my guest. You will have earned the right to. Until then though your just trolling.
As far as the Theme Park remark I may have to retract that statement. They will have classes but it will be more akin to classes in UO, where skill sets determine what class title you have.
Oddly enough though it would seem MO has been in development since 2002?
We started planning Mortal Online back in early 2002, but the project really took off in 2005.
So again a double standard for DF and MO lol. Since Aventurine took over around 2003 that is when development really took off lol but MO started the process in 2002 and is allowed to keep the 2005 start, interesting.
All in all though after further reading I wish MO luck, I am enjoying this new feel to the industry lol seems a lot of Ex UO players and others are out there and trying to say "If you won't fix the industry, then WE WILL" which is good news to me atleast lol. For w/e reason I am just not looking forward to MO as a game I would play. DarkFall is like UO evolved I guess. It has a lot that UO could have benefited from as well as much of what made UO so great. MO though... It just has that, AoS feel. I don't know why and I can't explain why really. Maybe it's the name or maybe I just heard of DarkFall first. There honestly isn't any logical reason I can think of at the moment. It just feels more like a reskinned UO:AoS minus Trammel while DarkFall has the feel of UO the next generation. I wish I could explain it better but it is just my opinion of it and I really don't have a logical reason for why it is my opinion of it lol.
DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
Considering the release date Aventurine has announced for DF is 2008, one can assume this is there inteded release. They have said repeatedly that it will be out before the end of 2008. By the way, if the word of DF devs isn't good enough why is the word of MO devs good enough?
At this point you have proven to be uninformed and merely a troll lol.
Since it was even on the news that DF is releasing before the end of 2008 because the DF devs TOLD them they were at the press conference lol.
That explains why you are here though. You clearly are waiting for MO to launch and are clearly simply here to troll lol.
As far as what DarkFall is promising, MO is promising some of the same. The engine DarkFall is using was built specificaly for DarkFall so I have higher hopes for there engine since there won't be the usual incompatability that most MMO's suffer from using an engine they don't fully understand. Case in point, Dark and Light, after Pix left no one knew how to program so it was compatible with the engine lol.
Honestly though I simply prefer DarkFall because it is more sandbox of the two, MO has some themepark elements I am not overly fond of. That is just my opinion, but it has just as much chance at launching as DarkFall and has just as much chance at being fun as well. All a matter of taste, just because it doesn't suit me from it's feature list at the moment doesn't mean it won't suit anothers taste.
Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that beta was supposed to have started EVERY YEAR for the past 3-4 years straight? MO developers have yet to give us a reason not to trust them.
This here shows your true stupidity... Because they said it on the *news" it must be true. lmao. Seriously, lmao. The news? The fucking news? Priceless.
The engine made for Darkfall was made by a bunch of amateurs and will be fail. lol@ 200FPS, that's a load of shit. You wouldn't even get that with the U3 engine and I assure you it is much better than Aventurines crack baby.
What theme park elements does MO have, point them out to me please, I must have missed them.
When DF doesn't even launch beta this year, nevermind the game, I will be the one making a post on these forums laughing at the fanbois who can't understand that if it sounds too good to be true, it is, and especially when you have a dev(Tasos)that is full of shit backing it up.
How was beta back in 2005, by the way?
Don't even try, the typical fanbois defense team, usually Grayghost, originallegg, Imbant, have all shown up, and the use of common sense and logic is ineffective.
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DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
Considering the release date Aventurine has announced for DF is 2008, one can assume this is there inteded release. They have said repeatedly that it will be out before the end of 2008. By the way, if the word of DF devs isn't good enough why is the word of MO devs good enough?
At this point you have proven to be uninformed and merely a troll lol.
Since it was even on the news that DF is releasing before the end of 2008 because the DF devs TOLD them they were at the press conference lol.
That explains why you are here though. You clearly are waiting for MO to launch and are clearly simply here to troll lol.
As far as what DarkFall is promising, MO is promising some of the same. The engine DarkFall is using was built specificaly for DarkFall so I have higher hopes for there engine since there won't be the usual incompatability that most MMO's suffer from using an engine they don't fully understand. Case in point, Dark and Light, after Pix left no one knew how to program so it was compatible with the engine lol.
Honestly though I simply prefer DarkFall because it is more sandbox of the two, MO has some themepark elements I am not overly fond of. That is just my opinion, but it has just as much chance at launching as DarkFall and has just as much chance at being fun as well. All a matter of taste, just because it doesn't suit me from it's feature list at the moment doesn't mean it won't suit anothers taste.
Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that beta was supposed to have started EVERY YEAR for the past 3-4 years straight? MO developers have yet to give us a reason not to trust them.
This here shows your true stupidity... Because they said it on the *news" it must be true. lmao. Seriously, lmao. The news? The fucking news? Priceless.
The engine made for Darkfall was made by a bunch of amateurs and will be fail. lol@ 200FPS, that's a load of shit. You wouldn't even get that with the U3 engine and I assure you it is much better than Aventurines crack baby.
What theme park elements does MO have, point them out to me please, I must have missed them.
When DF doesn't even launch beta this year, nevermind the game, I will be the one making a post on these forums laughing at the fanbois who can't understand that if it sounds too good to be true, it is, and especially when you have a dev(Tasos)that is full of shit backing it up.
How was beta back in 2005, by the way?
Don't even try, the typical fanbois defense team, usually Grayghost, originallegg, Imbant, have all shown up, and the use of common sense and logic is ineffective.
So much irony everytime you post
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DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.
DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.
Alot of misinformed people.
And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.
Considering the release date Aventurine has announced for DF is 2008, one can assume this is there inteded release. They have said repeatedly that it will be out before the end of 2008. By the way, if the word of DF devs isn't good enough why is the word of MO devs good enough?
At this point you have proven to be uninformed and merely a troll lol.
Since it was even on the news that DF is releasing before the end of 2008 because the DF devs TOLD them they were at the press conference lol.
That explains why you are here though. You clearly are waiting for MO to launch and are clearly simply here to troll lol.
As far as what DarkFall is promising, MO is promising some of the same. The engine DarkFall is using was built specificaly for DarkFall so I have higher hopes for there engine since there won't be the usual incompatability that most MMO's suffer from using an engine they don't fully understand. Case in point, Dark and Light, after Pix left no one knew how to program so it was compatible with the engine lol.
Honestly though I simply prefer DarkFall because it is more sandbox of the two, MO has some themepark elements I am not overly fond of. That is just my opinion, but it has just as much chance at launching as DarkFall and has just as much chance at being fun as well. All a matter of taste, just because it doesn't suit me from it's feature list at the moment doesn't mean it won't suit anothers taste.
Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that beta was supposed to have started EVERY YEAR for the past 3-4 years straight? MO developers have yet to give us a reason not to trust them.
This here shows your true stupidity... Because they said it on the *news" it must be true. lmao. Seriously, lmao. The news? The fucking news? Priceless.
The engine made for Darkfall was made by a bunch of amateurs and will be fail. lol@ 200FPS, that's a load of shit. You wouldn't even get that with the U3 engine and I assure you it is much better than Aventurines crack baby.
What theme park elements does MO have, point them out to me please, I must have missed them.
When DF doesn't even launch beta this year, nevermind the game, I will be the one making a post on these forums laughing at the fanbois who can't understand that if it sounds too good to be true, it is, and especially when you have a dev(Tasos)that is full of shit backing it up.
How was beta back in 2005, by the way?
Don't even try, the typical fanbois defense team, usually Grayghost, originallegg, Imbant, have all shown up, and the use of common sense and logic is ineffective.
lol Soon as I read this I got the theme song from peoples court stuck in my head du dun dun lol. Anyways logic is only effective when you use it. Considering you have yet to use it I can understand why you think it is ineffective.
But saying a MMO with basicaly nothing to show yet is more credible than DF because DF has missed a few beta's that they never promised to begin with is..... well it's just not logical to me.
So ..... MO has a publisher? a server host? they have shown there game is playable? They have shown even a fraction of there features? I can answer all of these with the same 2 letter word. No.
They have 1 screen shot and even at the bottom of it theres a tag saying (Work in Progress). The one thing they have is a cinematic trailer vs DarkFalls 17 min game footage vid. Now personaly I would really prefer if all games started using in game footage rather than Cinematics because the cinematics are in fact a lie. They attempt to show you footage that barely has any relation to the game what so ever and when you actually see the game, your like wtf oO.
I mean your telling mortal is going to look like this
http://www.mortalonline.com/videos
Now of course if mortal doesn't look like this and doesn't play like this, this will be there first lie and logic says since you are so anti DarkFall for being liars for what you have falsley percieved as lies then if Mortal IG footage doesn't look like the Cinematic above you won't play MO either since they would have then lie'd Correct?
And War looks like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ7x9ieXr5M
And AoC looks like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m-FUVg0xmc
So yes they changed there minds on beta's that were never promised to begin with. So now they have backed themselve's in a corner by plastering the 2008 date. IF they do not meet that date that will be there first lie.
So that seems pretty logical to me. They never promised you a beta nor stated it would happen regardless of what happens. So doing what was well within there rights to do they scrapped beta and decided it was not good enough and thought they could do better (This is what they have said ) so keeping in mind you have no proof to the contrary why is this or anything Aventurine has said a lie? I mean what are you basing your statement they have lied on? Can you please show us so that we can see where you are comming from?
It is logical to question things. I still question wether it will launch or not and I still question wether I will like it or not to a very small degree. I am inclined to believe what they have said so far because there are supporting factors. My belief in them at this time with the supporting factors they have is actualy rather logical. Can you point out the logic in your arguements? Can you show us where they promised you Beta and broke that promise?
So the logic in my arguement to me atleast seems pretty sound. I believe they have not lied because of supporting facts. However your arguements seem to lack merit in my opinion and not at all based on Logic considering there is nothing to back your arguements up fact wise. It really and truelly seems your arguements are based on emotion and opinion rather than logic.
Edited to add: To me MO has yet to give us a reason to follow the game. So far it is still basicaly an idea. They have very little info and 1 screen shot and 1 cinematic. I remember many of you on the "DF devs Lie" campaign being part of DF is Vaporware campaign even though they had far more than 1 screen shot and 1 cinematic.
why i prefer Mortal to Darkfall:
-don't think Mortal will have universal banking (they've mentioned trade routes). Darkfall has universal banking.
-Mortal is fully optimized for fpv. has features incompatible with tpv, which they claim improve immersion. not really keen on Darkfall having some players in tpv and some in fpv. seems to me like fpv can only suffer from that by being disadvantaged in combat (no eyes behind you). just a concern.
-creation of gods/cults/religions/temples sounds interesting to me. curious how gods will effect the world.
-i prefer Mortal's lore, graphics, character models, and races revealed so far to Darkfall's. overall setting is important to me, and i prefer mortal's world even from what little we know so far.
-quests and bosses that don't respawn. (not entirely sure if this is in Darkfall ). the mortal devs are trying to make it so history doesn't repeat itself.
mortal epic quest example: www.mortalonline.com/forums/2823-epiq-quests-quests-traps.html#post55935
-community. forumfall is not exactly a community i want to be a part of, and if in-game reflects the forums, i won't enjoy Darkfall very much. the Mortal forums are welcoming, and in my opinion, more mature in general. hopefully in-game reflects that.
both games will have features unique to them. I'm quite certain that Mortal and Darkfall, though both following the basic UO model, will be incredibly different. they can't truly be compared until they are both finished and released. but it's a matter of personal taste, so there's not much sense in starting up some fanboy rivalry between the two. afterall, Henrik, Mortal's CEO, has said he's never been looking at darkfall, nor does he think of it as a competitor.