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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813

    Mortal Online is most probably vaporware (launching an online store when you have but a single screenshot released is somewhat suspicious).

     

    So Darkfall all the way. Even if Mortal weren't vaporware, my experience from Unreal Engine in MMOs isn't the best so far...

     

    I'm sure MO is aiming high without having calculated the obstacles that appear when you try to incorporate a 3rd person engine in an MMO environment.

  • EndDreamEndDream Member Posts: 1,152

    Mortal dosent have any in game screenshots yet.. So if it happens it wont be for a while, unlike darkfall.. i hope its good however, I will probably continue to play darkfall.. but the more skill based sandboxes the better

    Remember Old School Ultima Online

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by originalegg

    Originally posted by bluegoo2

    Originally posted by metalhead980


    DF is going to be released way before Mortal Online even attempts a close beta.
    Once MO releases everyone will call it a DF clone with better graphics even though it wont be.

     

    DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.

    DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.

    Alot of misinformed people.

    And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.



     

    LOL obvious troll is obvious.

    Im all for looking into Mortal Online.  But only the absolutely insane would think that Mortal Online is less vaporewarez than DF and will come out first.  Notice they dont even meet the requirements yet on this site as an mmo... yea gg

    Even you as a troll have to admit DF is further along than mortal....eveytime i see guys like you really reaching for these troll posts the more excited I and others get about DF because when the fanbois of other games get this defensive about it, you know it has to be good.

    Cya in game.



     

    Meet requirements on this site is bullshit.

    SW:TOR was announced nobody even know anything about how game realy will be and at same day it was already in developemnt list.

    EA BIOWARE $$$$$$ and your settle on mmorpg.com

    Big names with money just pay mmorpg.com to be on list here.

    Mortal online is in developement for maybe 6months now and still not on list.

    Money get you on any site.

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • shadenisshadenis Member Posts: 217

    mortal online

    It has a few advantages

    A better community. DFO fanboys , just like WOW fanboys and all other fanboys have all the same comparision. They lack IQ.  They don't even think, hey another innovative mmo being made, let's support them also. They also say anything below full loot is carebear and of course if boats aren't in it is already a failure since it isn't revolutionary

    It is based on the Unreal engine 3.0 which is a good working engine, not the best because it has flaws but is a working engine. I think starvault has the upper hand against DFO in this. 

    Not as much features as DFO . I'm a realist and i like to be realistic.There have been so much mmo's that have had to much promises and never made it true. I think mortal online didn't had boats or directly sieges. I think they said it would be after launch but basically what i am saying is that they use the core and then add later more which is the best. Another mmo that is doing this is TCOS which i find great since it doesn't need to rely on those high promises.

     

    Overall  i hope both will be good but the truth is i will only play DFO if it has decent animations because currently the animations aren't good and before the low IQ fanboys attacks.

    Animations do not give drops in FPS. They have nothing to do with graphics. I repeat: THEY DO NOT DROP FPS !  I have worked with some programs and people who say that animations cause lag etc. do not know what they are talking about! 

     

    I hope both will be good, same as with earth rise. More out of the box mmo's are welcomed and i hope the idiots called fanboys of every damm game like WOW, DFO or what ever will not flame it because it should not be. It is not a damm competition to be the best because that leads to immature communities

    -----------------------------------------------------------
    the old days, the days of gold.

    representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.


    played

    UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan

    playing: EVE ONLINE
    Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn

  • shadenisshadenis Member Posts: 217
    Originally posted by Evasia

    Originally posted by originalegg

    Originally posted by bluegoo2

    Originally posted by metalhead980


    DF is going to be released way before Mortal Online even attempts a close beta.
    Once MO releases everyone will call it a DF clone with better graphics even though it wont be.

     

    DF isn't coming out this year and if you actually believe so you are delusional. I actually think MO will release before DF(If DF ever actually releases, lmao). And the beta for MO will start sometime this year, as soon as the netcode is finished by the U3 guys(not the MO guys.)I'll bet my left nut that MO beta comes before DF beta.

    DF doesn't have a release date. MO does have a general area which is Summer 2009. Since they are using the best engine on the market(U3, don't bother saying DF's is better, nobody would pay 400,000USD for DF's)and they have been in development since 2005 they should be able to make it.

    Alot of misinformed people.

    And not only that but MO's concept is better, fully FPV with real-time combat. DF promises everything under the sun, and there's no way in hell they are going to deliver on that.



     

    LOL obvious troll is obvious.

    Im all for looking into Mortal Online.  But only the absolutely insane would think that Mortal Online is less vaporewarez than DF and will come out first.  Notice they dont even meet the requirements yet on this site as an mmo... yea gg

    Even you as a troll have to admit DF is further along than mortal....eveytime i see guys like you really reaching for these troll posts the more excited I and others get about DF because when the fanbois of other games get this defensive about it, you know it has to be good.

    Cya in game.



     

    Meet requirements on this site is bullshit.

    SW:TOR was announced nobody even know anything about how game realy will be and at same day it was already in developemnt list.

    EA BIOWARE $$$$$$ and your settle on mmorpg.com

    Big names with money just pay mmorpg.com to be on list here.

    Mortal online is in developement for maybe 6months now and still not on list.

    Money get you on any site.

     

    I don't know but MMORPG.COM has requirements:

     

    You need atleast 3 screenshots and a working engine. Well they have a working engine and the rest but the screenshots still need to come. I think when they show more screens, it will be on the list so don't worry

    -----------------------------------------------------------
    the old days, the days of gold.

    representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.


    played

    UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan

    playing: EVE ONLINE
    Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn

  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813

    it is very weird not to show screenshots at this stage, yet launch an online shop and prepare for release in the Summer of 2009; something is not right with Star Vault...

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Member UncommonPosts: 4,775
    Originally posted by shadenis


    mortal online
    It has a few advantages
    A better community. DFO fanboys , just like WOW fanboys and all other fanboys have all the same comparision. They lack IQ.  They don't even think, hey another innovative mmo being made, let's support them also. They also say anything below full loot is carebear and of course if boats aren't in it is already a failure since it isn't revolutionary
    It is based on the Unreal engine 3.0 which is a good working engine, not the best because it has flaws but is a working engine. I think starvault has the upper hand against DFO in this. 
    Not as much features as DFO . I'm a realist and i like to be realistic.There have been so much mmo's that have had to much promises and never made it true. I think mortal online didn't had boats or directly sieges. I think they said it would be after launch but basically what i am saying is that they use the core and then add later more which is the best. Another mmo that is doing this is TCOS which i find great since it doesn't need to rely on those high promises.
     
    Overall  i hope both will be good but the truth is i will only play DFO if it has decent animations because currently the animations aren't good and before the low IQ fanboys attacks.
    Animations do not give drops in FPS. They have nothing to do with graphics. I repeat: THEY DO NOT DROP FPS !  I have worked with some programs and people who say that animations cause lag etc. do not know what they are talking about! 
     
    I hope both will be good, same as with earth rise. More out of the box mmo's are welcomed and i hope the idiots called fanboys of every damm game like WOW, DFO or what ever will not flame it because it should not be. It is not a damm competition to be the best because that leads to immature communities



     

    Before you begin generalizing the IQ of those you do not know it would be best to take a step back and evaluate things. I am a fan of DarkFall and I also wish the best for both games however I am looking forward DarkFall but not MO.

    Full Loot is a needed component in an MMO that goes sandbox for the simple fact it adds a penalty to death as well as stimulates the economy. With out full loot the in game economy eventualy becomes stagnent. Most of what you can find or sale are already for sale at a much lower price than it costs to craft many of said items because there is an abundance of them already flooding the market. With item destruction combined with full loot this doesn't happen in general.

  • Balkin31Balkin31 Member UncommonPosts: 224

    I aplaud Darfall for it's long list of features, but I will most lkely pass due to my unhappiness with the graphic stylings of the game. ( I will wait till it releases for a final decision)

    Mortal Online with a similar feature set and much more apeasing (to me) graphic styling will be my choice for a new MMO.

     

    I think both games will do well for thier own reasons. I also like the fact that niether one is based off of a major IP, so far all these (Major IP based MMO's) MMO's have sucked.... at least I think so whether others do or not!

     

  • UbberGooberUbberGoober Member Posts: 247

    Mortal Online is an online T-shirt selling company, it's not a real game; the reason you are seeing so many Mortal Online posts pop up everywhere is because they want exposure and exposure equals more T-shirt sales.

    Mortal Online has what? 1 crappy cinematic vid and no in game screenshots; and yet people are comparing it to Darkfall which has houndred's of screenshots, and several movies. DF has been in development way longer and has a ton of info you can dig through.

    Mortal Online at the moment is vapor, just because a few people quack like ducklings about it that does not change the reality.

  • CamthylionCamthylion Member UncommonPosts: 220
    Originally posted by Claes

    Originally posted by pewtpewt


    DF will come out first. When Mortal comes out, ill give it a try. But DF>Mortal, since DF has release date.

     

    release date? More like release year.



     

    They are pushing for late dec 08 as the release date it wont be a year.

  • CamthylionCamthylion Member UncommonPosts: 220
    Originally posted by Galadourn


    it is very weird not to show screenshots at this stage, yet launch an online shop and prepare for release in the Summer of 2009; something is not right with Star Vault...



     

    maybe they just don't want any other MMOs to steal what they are creating alot of gaming companies have been known too do this... persay if they throw up a bunch of screenies and give out there features and how they work 10 months before there release then that gives another MMO in development time to cash in on there ideas... I think thats what DFO is trying to do keep everything quiet untill a month before launch I bet by the end of nov you will be hearing alot from DFO community and game creators.

  • Balkin31Balkin31 Member UncommonPosts: 224
    Originally posted by UbberGoober


    Mortal Online is an online T-shirt selling company, it's not a real game; the reason you are seeing so many Mortal Online posts pop up everywhere is because they want exposure and exposure equals more T-shirt sales.
    Mortal Online has what? 1 crappy cinematic vid and no in game screenshots; and yet people are comparing it to Darkfall which has houndred's of screenshots, and several movies. DF has been in development way longer and has a ton of info you can dig through.
    Mortal Online at the moment is vapor, just because a few people quack like ducklings about it that does not change the reality.



     

    Star Vault is a small company making a game the way they want to, no pressure from a major IP and no pressure from a major distributor. Making a comparison about how this small company handles thier web site is just lame, you sound like all the other foolish people that said DF was not gonna happen.

    Try not to be a sheep and allow change....

     

     

  • UbberGooberUbberGoober Member Posts: 247

    Star Vault is a small company making a game the way they want to, no pressure from a major IP and no pressure from a major distributor. Making a comparison about how this small company handles thier web site is just lame, you sound like all the other foolish people that said DF was not gonna happen.

    Yeah it could be 1 person for all we know, anyone can make a website and claim that they are developing a game; but one thing that gives it away is the item shop that they put up while the so called messiah game is in development. Worse of the worse never did this, not even Mourning and Dark and Light and this is scary because it makes Mortal Online look ten times worse.

    Enough with Mortal Online threads and discussion, take it some place else;  this is not a bazzar go sell the T-shirts some place else.

     

     





     

  • shrapnel20shrapnel20 Member Posts: 199

    omfg. mortal is vaporware because of t-shirts! hahah. a simple fanservice to those who might want a t-shirt that says "mortal online". they probably haven't made a hundred dollars profit off of those shirts when they've paid (rumored) $700,000 for their engine! give me a goddamn break.  just as bad as the darkfall vaportrolls you despised...

    are you guys seriously SO FUCKING INSECURE about darkfall that you must shit on mortal? 

  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813
    Originally posted by shrapnel20


    omfg. mortal is vaporware because of t-shirts! hahah. a simple fanservice to those who might want a t-shirt that says "mortal online". they probably haven't made a hundred dollars profit off of those shirts when they've paid (rumored) $700,000 for their engine! give me a goddamn break.  just as bad as the darkfall vaportrolls you despised...
    are you guys seriously SO FUCKING INSECURE about darkfall that you must shit on mortal? 

     

    Why are you surprised you get negative opinions about Mortal Online  IN A DARKFALL FORUM?

     

    and who's shitting on whom?

  • sandboxysandboxy Member Posts: 153

    Maybe when Mortal comes up with a gameplay video, or at the very least few actual screenshots, I might take that game seriously. That cinematic video means nothing.

    Edit: Mortal community are bunch of carebears, and since its devs seem to listen to their community, I see the game going down the same road in the future. Funny thing is, the very first members their forum had, were from DF forums. Now hardly anyone from DF visits their site.

  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813
    Originally posted by sandboxy


    Maybe when Mortal comes up with a gameplay video, or at the very least few actual screenshots, I might take that game seriously. That cinematic video means nothing.
    Edit: Mortal community are bunch of carebears, and since its devs seem to listen to their community, I see the game going down the same road in the future. Funny thing is, the very first members their forum had, were from DF forums. Now hardly anyone from DF visits their site.

     

    amen

  • MST3K84MST3K84 Member Posts: 69
    Originally posted by EndDream


    Mortal dosent have any in game screenshots yet.. So if it happens it wont be for a while, unlike darkfall.. i hope its good however, I will probably continue to play darkfall.. but the more skill based sandboxes the better



     

    BLASPHEMY!

    You dare to call yourself a true fan?! Have you forgotten our creed?! The lament of every fanboy who has risen and fallen before you?!:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AoOa-Fz2kw

  • DrukstylzDrukstylz Member Posts: 189
    Originally posted by shrapnel20


    omfg. mortal is vaporware because of t-shirts! hahah. a simple fanservice to those who might want a t-shirt that says "mortal online". they probably haven't made a hundred dollars profit off of those shirts when they've paid (rumored) $700,000 for their engine! give me a goddamn break.  just as bad as the darkfall vaportrolls you despised...
    are you guys seriously SO FUCKING INSECURE about darkfall that you must shit on mortal? 

     

    At the moment the only evidence Mortal Online exists is a T-Shirt shop, and some concept art sketches.

    Besides aren't you in the wrong forum? Oh wait! Mortal Online has no forum, it isn't even a listed on this site.

    The question is not who is insecure, but who is being a troll. You are just as bad as the vaportrolls, going  around trying to incite a flame war. Noob ass.

  • Balkin31Balkin31 Member UncommonPosts: 224
    Originally posted by Galadourn


    it is very weird not to show screenshots at this stage, yet launch an online shop and prepare for release in the Summer of 2009; something is not right with Star Vault...



     

    As I have said before.... How well did launching screenshots do for SWTOR..?? The forums lit afire with OMG we hate the graphics!! I think it's best that all games wait and release information that drirectly reflects the final version of the game and stop this behavior of letting the crappy ass cat out of the bag to soon...

  • shadenisshadenis Member Posts: 217
    Originally posted by Drukstylz

    Originally posted by shrapnel20


    omfg. mortal is vaporware because of t-shirts! hahah. a simple fanservice to those who might want a t-shirt that says "mortal online". they probably haven't made a hundred dollars profit off of those shirts when they've paid (rumored) $700,000 for their engine! give me a goddamn break.  just as bad as the darkfall vaportrolls you despised...
    are you guys seriously SO FUCKING INSECURE about darkfall that you must shit on mortal? 

     

    At the moment the only evidence Mortal Online exists is a T-Shirt shop, and some concept art sketches.

    Besides aren't you in the wrong forum? Oh wait! Mortal Online has no forum, it isn't even a listed on this site.

    The question is not who is insecure, but who is being a troll. You are just as bad as the vaportrolls, going  around trying to incite a flame war. Noob ass.

     

    You know, there are allot of things that are killing the genre. Lack of good games aka AOC was a failure, vanguard etc. War is solid and not bad but in my opinion, it's not something that is different enough to create a genre with more options. The genre is stale and another reason it is stale are the terrible communities.  Best example of terrible communities are DarkFall online,mapplestory, world of warcraft and runescape. 

    The big reason is people like you. You are an example of immature people who can't bring up arguments and who basically have a very low lQ because people with some IQ, have arguments and know the difference between wrong and right and of course are adult-ish in the general behavior way. 

    The reason they created a online shop was for people who where interested. It says nowhere that you have to buy it to play the game. You can support THEM by buying a t-shirt. I am sure the real fans are interested in that and that is great for them. MO isn't vaporware or a shitty game. It promises just as much as DFO and it has as much as a chance to come out as DFO

    The reason why Mortal online isn't on the site yet is because they haven't shown enough screenshots enough. They will come on this site, if you don't think that then your just delusional but wait , you already are.

    Die hard elitelist fanboys are basically troll 2.0. Then can't bring arguments and bring down all other game and praise there game to be the best. DFO may be great but if it has a shitty community ( people like you with l337 talk and general behavior/ language of a 12 year old ) then i rather wait for games with a better community because take the community out and you don't have an mmorpg anymore. Immature communities also don't go with role playing, economy and a balance in the game. Mostly immature communities make the game a chaos and a NON-FUN game to play.

    I am kinda expecting a response from you with the typical i am l337 , you suck attitude or this game is great, suck my balls because you have some critism on it or no response because you don't have any backup arguments like the majority of trolls /elitelist fanboys do.

    -----------------------------------------------------------
    the old days, the days of gold.

    representer of euhporium, shade/amity , high member of the council.


    played

    UO,M59,EVE,L2,AC,GW,WOW,LOTRO,SWG pre cu/nge,COH/COV, VG,TR,L1, POTBS,Neocron 1 and 2, DAOC pre TOA and age of conan

    playing: EVE ONLINE
    Waiting for Earthrise, FE, bioware mmo, guild wars 2, DFO , mortal online , the chronicles of spellborn

  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813
    Originally posted by shadenis


    MO isn't vaporware or a shitty game. It promises just as much as DFO and it has as much as a chance to come out as DFO


    Do you have any tangible proof there is even a game under development? Because I joined their forums back in April and so far the only thing they've managed to produce was a single screenshot (which btw was also the one they used as wallpaper for their booth in Leipzig GC ).

     

    Darkfall has released about 500 screenshots in various stages of development (not hiding behind the argument ' we can't show you because things may change '), a few videos, one fan-filmed actual live gameplay video, and generally seems like a game ready to launch.

     

    I don't hold anything against MO, in fact i'd like it to be real, but so far the development studio has shown nothing to prove this.

  • DrukstylzDrukstylz Member Posts: 189
    Originally posted by shadenis

    Originally posted by Drukstylz

    Originally posted by shrapnel20


    omfg. mortal is vaporware because of t-shirts! hahah. a simple fanservice to those who might want a t-shirt that says "mortal online". they probably haven't made a hundred dollars profit off of those shirts when they've paid (rumored) $700,000 for their engine! give me a goddamn break.  just as bad as the darkfall vaportrolls you despised...
    are you guys seriously SO FUCKING INSECURE about darkfall that you must shit on mortal? 

     

    At the moment the only evidence Mortal Online exists is a T-Shirt shop, and some concept art sketches.

    Besides aren't you in the wrong forum? Oh wait! Mortal Online has no forum, it isn't even a listed on this site.

    The question is not who is insecure, but who is being a troll. You are just as bad as the vaportrolls, going  around trying to incite a flame war. Noob ass.

     

    You know, there are allot of things that are killing the genre. Lack of good games aka AOC was a failure, vanguard etc. War is solid and not bad but in my opinion, it's not something that is different enough to create a genre with more options. The genre is stale and another reason it is stale are the terrible communities.  Best example of terrible communities are DarkFall online,mapplestory, world of warcraft and runescape. 

    The big reason is people like you. You are an example of immature people who can't bring up arguments and who basically have a very low lQ because people with some IQ, have arguments and know the difference between wrong and right and of course are adult-ish in the general behavior way. 

    The reason they created a online shop was for people who where interested. It says nowhere that you have to buy it to play the game. You can support THEM by buying a t-shirt. I am sure the real fans are interested in that and that is great for them. MO isn't vaporware or a shitty game. It promises just as much as DFO and it has as much as a chance to come out as DFO

    The reason why Mortal online isn't on the site yet is because they haven't shown enough screenshots enough. They will come on this site, if you don't think that then your just delusional but wait , you already are.

    Die hard elitelist fanboys are basically troll 2.0. Then can't bring arguments and bring down all other game and praise there game to be the best. DFO may be great but if it has a shitty community ( people like you with l337 talk and general behavior/ language of a 12 year old ) then i rather wait for games with a better community because take the community out and you don't have an mmorpg anymore. Immature communities also don't go with role playing, economy and a balance in the game. Mostly immature communities make the game a chaos and a NON-FUN game to play.

    I am kinda expecting a response from you with the typical i am l337 , you suck attitude or this game is great, suck my balls because you have some critism on it or no response because you don't have any backup arguments like the majority of trolls /elitelist fanboys do.

     

    Excuse me, but you haven't made any constructive arguements either. All you've done is picked up where the other trolls left and started slinging troll crap around. How does calling me stupid, and blaming the DF community for being crap help at all? Apparently in your head, explaining the T-shirts are for fans  is proof that MO exists. You keep saying that I can't bring up any arguements, and don't know right from wrong. What are your arguements, besides telling me to suck your balls, and deriding  my intellegence? 

    Apparently whining, and making assumptions about other peoples intellegence, makes you more mature?  It took you 6 paragraphs to get two  simple ideas across. One, that you believe MO exists, and the second that you dont like me. Yet you haven't made any '"mature" arguements either! All you did was call me stupid and whine alot.

    Apparently your a windbag who likes the sound of his own voice. Somehow you came under the impression that the longer your post , the more correct you are. This is a fallacy, you still have not proven that MO exists. Not only that you've done little to show you are any different from the crappy community you complain about.

    Edit: Noob ass

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by sandboxy


    Maybe when Mortal comes up with a gameplay video, or at the very least few actual screenshots, I might take that game seriously. That cinematic video means nothing.
    Edit: Mortal community are bunch of carebears, and since its devs seem to listen to their community, I see the game going down the same road in the future. Funny thing is, the very first members their forum had, were from DF forums. Now hardly anyone from DF visits their site.



     

    Im almost positive that darkfall will have mostly hardcore community and mortal gets the ex-carebears from wow and company:P

    And yes i have visit it ones read forums and think omg what a bunch of whiners i never looked back, that was 4months ago.

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • metalhead980metalhead980 Member Posts: 2,658

    Damn guys why must you guys do this crap?

    We should be happy both DF and MO are releasing sometime in the future.

    We should be thankful that we actually get some more FFApvp love.

    WHy don't you guys try actually waiting till the game release before you start hating on a game.

    You never know both games might be really good and it will be a win win for sandbox/ffa fans.

    I wish the gamers on this site would grow up, we've waited so long for a fantasy sandbox game and now we have two releasing in the next year or so and you guys want to bash one of them? its pathetic.

    Darkfall, Mortal Online, Earthrise, Crusades and Fallen Earth shouldn't be hated on, cause these games are a victory for the sandbox fan and the players that want meaningful pvp.

    There's a light at the end of this dark WoW clone tunnel my brothers and sisters that light are these games.

    Our time has come.

     

    PLaying: EvE, Ryzom

    Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum

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