---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I think anyone who reads this (at least, i hope) would see that the review thinks anyone who players FPS games are some sort of mouth breathers (again, its on the internet), and decided to treat an entire player base with his own preconceived notions, and quite frankly dislike of that genre. I’m not even sure with this in mind that this person was even the right pick for the job, because he walked in with this notion before hand. This is where any comments about the community loose credibility. Like I said:
Ok, bloody well enough. Not just the poster quoted here (I'm not picking on you Bloodworth, no worries). Nowhere in the article did he say that "Everyone who plays Age of Conan is a neanderthal. he said that this was his overall impression of ther community at large. As I saw it, he was also pretty clear about the lkinds of behavior that he felt justified the remark. Please, just let it go.
I did. Talk to your boy. I also disagree, you may wish to re-read the article.
From almost line one he was insulting the player base, and had already written them off. Blanket statements don't make it right.
I won't take it persional, Have him do the same.
Its an altogether magnificent scene, or, at least it was until I looked down to see the tip of a sword sticking out of my gut, the blood-red drops of gore trickling off its tip and soiling the pristine white of the snow-capped ledge beneath my sandaled feet.
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Phuxurmom, a conqueror according to my combat spam, swings his sword deftly and, in two swift strokes, my assassin lies sprawled in a pool of his own guts as they spread beneath him on the frozen tundra, his head a few feet removed from the rest of his body and his arms embarrassingly akimbo. All I can do is hurriedly click the respawn button to save my poor avatar from the tea-bagging fate that is surely worse than his latest pseudo-death. The joke of it all is that there was no rare spawn nearby, no resource node within a country mile, and really, no reason at all for the bloke's sword to be sticking out of my gullet other than the sheer spitefulness and possible adolescent maladjustment of its owner.
Dude played a PvP game, got ganked, wrote off the community. As if he didn’t know that PvP happens.
News at 11.
umm he does play a pvp game, he plays war at the moment, and he hasn't cried foul about that community. He is also a swg corro, and don't see him whining about dying there? Obviously there was something he experienced (which i have also experienced a multitude of times in AOC, and still experiencing with the community) which has led him to write about the community.
so what? you said it is good but continually attack him for a personal review of a game? sorry but either a) you enjoy the strife or b) are looking for a little pat on the back. You can disagree with something he wrote, but it still does not make him wrong.
War is to Wow, as AOC is to UO. In terms of the type of PvP you find.
I’m not "Attacking anything". Debate seems to be dead here a? Quite frankly, he got all defensive, not me.
Cant take criticism, get out the fire.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Please dont allow arrogant carebear pricks to review pvp games if they are going to cry about getting ganked. Its obvious the little girl has never played a real pvp game like shadowbane or eve and is used to carebear light titles like wow and war.
Aside from her tears about the community the parts about the actual game are pretty accurate for the most part.
Please dont allow arrogant carebear pricks to review pvp games if they are going to cry about getting ganked. Its obvious the little girl has never played a real pvp game like shadowbane or eve and is used to carebear light titles like wow and war. Aside from her tears about the community the parts about the actual game are pretty accurate for the most part.
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Noone else was attacking the reviewer on a personal level. Considering he (the reviewer) wrote a blanket insult himself. Your point doesn't have much standing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Please dont allow arrogant carebear pricks to review pvp games if they are going to cry about getting ganked. Its obvious the little girl has never played a real pvp game like shadowbane or eve and is used to carebear light titles like wow and war. Aside from her tears about the community the parts about the actual game are pretty accurate for the most part.
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Actually i left the pvp genre a couple years ago for the most part. I got tired of that player mentality but i didnt sub to that kind of game then cry about it.
My limited knowledge of the game and its issues/features comes from playing a friends characte.
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Ok. You don’t get it either. Fine, i have been given my cease and desists. This was an elevated post in many ways, removed of all the crud; it was a great, correct review. Not sure how many times I can say that.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Please dont allow arrogant carebear pricks to review pvp games if they are going to cry about getting ganked. Its obvious the little girl has never played a real pvp game like shadowbane or eve and is used to carebear light titles like wow and war. Aside from her tears about the community the parts about the actual game are pretty accurate for the most part.
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Actually i left the pvp genre a couple years ago for the most part. I got tired of that player mentality but i didnt sub to that kind of game then cry about it.
My limited knowledge of the game and its issues/features comes from playing a friends characte.
so how do you know as for a review, that it is accurate? i have played it (and am in my 3rd week of resub), and in my opinion, he got the gameplay part and the community part spot on.
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
because i think bloodworth is spamming nonsensical 1 liners which is doing nothing for a healthy debate but padding his post count
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything. Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
because i think bloodworth is spamming nonsensical 1 liners which is doing nothing for a healthy debate but padding his post count
If he was referring only to bloodworth, I'd think he would have sent a PM. Usually when he's quoting in threads he's making a point to everyone (usually). I could be wrong, I'd still like to hear whether he was or not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
just going by the quote and response from stradden saying the reviewer is not a random poster, and since only Bloodworth mentioned it, was assuming it was more directed at him and to make a point that the review writer is part of the staff and has a respectable opinion.
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
What context for crying out loud??? Reviewer wrote a review. HIS personal views on it. Some didn't like it and they want what? An apology? Get over yourselves, take it with a grain of salt and move.
You can't debate a one sided argument. It isn't reiteration anymore, it's not being able to accept the futility of arguing a point to death. The debate happened, it left without resolve, that's it. If you were all too slow to see it go, reread and move on.
It's gets sad when even the Managing Editor has to repeat himself in asking to 'move on'.
Good review. Personally, I would have gone with a 5/10 because I dont find the combat system too revolutional mostly because I play casters and the spell casting system that is implemented in AoC is absolutely no different from the 100's of other computer games on the market. IMO, the only thing that AoC has done better than any other game is the graphics. However, because the graphics are so intense, FC had to instance the majority of the game in order to make it run in a playable state. I dont consider that a major bonus. I would rather have slightly less detailed graphics in combination with an open world. I honestly dont see why some people are getting that upset about 1 random stranger saying that the community is made of up Neanderthals, but I guess that is just how I differ from some other folks. If some person that I have never heard of before publishes in a magazine that the city(or state, country, employment building, school, etc.) I live in is full of Asshats, I dont get offended by that comment. That particular individual most likely had a bad experience when he was in my city(or where ever) and is just writing what he felt like he experienced. Do I get all bent out of shape because 1 individual doesnt like the same thing that I do? No, that would be delusional on my part. Do I get offended when I am playing a PvE MMO and players call all PvE'rs Carebears? Nope. What about when I am playing a PvP game and someone referres to all PvP'rs as Gankers? Not at all. This is just someone's opinion and doesnt necessarily make them correct. So, stop getting all bent out of shape because some guy you dont even know calls people who play a particular online game, Neanderthals. It is that person's own opinion and it doesnt make him right or wrong. With that said, if you need further convincing then think back to when you were growing up and how your parents talked to you about Sticks and Stones. If you dont feel compelled to listen to some people on this forum then at least listen to your own parents. I dont think they would steer you wrong.
What context for crying out loud??? Reviewer wrote a review. HIS personal views on it. Some didn't like it and they want what? An apology? Get over yourselves, take it with a grain of salt and move. You can't debate a one sided argument. It isn't reiteration anymore, it's not being able to accept the futility of arguing a point to death. The debate happened, it left without resolve, that's it. If you were all too slow to see it go, reread and move on. It's gets sad when even the Managing Editor has to repeat himself in asking to 'move on'.
I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.
Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.
What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.
Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.
What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.
Yes and he was quoting on a subject already dead. If you wish to beat a dead horse thats's fine, but keep on track with which argument is being discussed. And fyi..it IS how it works, else you lose credibility for future debates, but I don't need to go into that discussion.
I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.
Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.
What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.
Yes and he was quoting on a subject already dead. If you wish to beat a dead horse thats's fine, but keep on track with which argument is being discussed. And fyi..it IS how it works, else you lose credibility for future debates, but I don't need to go into that discussion.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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I said the review was good.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Ok, bloody well enough. Not just the poster quoted here (I'm not picking on you Bloodworth, no worries). Nowhere in the article did he say that "Everyone who plays Age of Conan is a neanderthal. he said that this was his overall impression of ther community at large. As I saw it, he was also pretty clear about the lkinds of behavior that he felt justified the remark. Please, just let it go.
I did. Talk to your boy. I also disagree, you may wish to re-read the article.
From almost line one he was insulting the player base, and had already written them off. Blanket statements don't make it right.
I won't take it persional, Have him do the same.
Dude played a PvP game, got ganked, wrote off the community. As if he didn’t know that PvP happens.
News at 11.
umm he does play a pvp game, he plays war at the moment, and he hasn't cried foul about that community. He is also a swg corro, and don't see him whining about dying there? Obviously there was something he experienced (which i have also experienced a multitude of times in AOC, and still experiencing with the community) which has led him to write about the community.
so what? you said it is good but continually attack him for a personal review of a game? sorry but either a) you enjoy the strife or b) are looking for a little pat on the back. You can disagree with something he wrote, but it still does not make him wrong.
Apples and oranges. I allready touched on this.
War is to Wow, as AOC is to UO. In terms of the type of PvP you find.
I’m not "Attacking anything". Debate seems to be dead here a? Quite frankly, he got all defensive, not me.
Cant take criticism, get out the fire.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
that makes no sense, what did you touch on?
Neanderthal playerbase...I laughed.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Please dont allow arrogant carebear pricks to review pvp games if they are going to cry about getting ganked. Its obvious the little girl has never played a real pvp game like shadowbane or eve and is used to carebear light titles like wow and war.
Aside from her tears about the community the parts about the actual game are pretty accurate for the most part.
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
ahh back to the old bloodworth, with 1 liners noone understands lol
I aim to please.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Noone else was attacking the reviewer on a personal level. Considering he (the reviewer) wrote a blanket insult himself. Your point doesn't have much standing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Actually i left the pvp genre a couple years ago for the most part. I got tired of that player mentality but i didnt sub to that kind of game then cry about it.
My limited knowledge of the game and its issues/features comes from playing a friends characte.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Ok. You don’t get it either. Fine, i have been given my cease and desists. This was an elevated post in many ways, removed of all the crud; it was a great, correct review. Not sure how many times I can say that.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
Actually i left the pvp genre a couple years ago for the most part. I got tired of that player mentality but i didnt sub to that kind of game then cry about it.
My limited knowledge of the game and its issues/features comes from playing a friends characte.
so how do you know as for a review, that it is accurate? i have played it (and am in my 3rd week of resub), and in my opinion, he got the gameplay part and the community part spot on.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
because i think bloodworth is spamming nonsensical 1 liners which is doing nothing for a healthy debate but padding his post count
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
because i think bloodworth is spamming nonsensical 1 liners which is doing nothing for a healthy debate but padding his post count
If he was referring only to bloodworth, I'd think he would have sent a PM. Usually when he's quoting in threads he's making a point to everyone (usually). I could be wrong, I'd still like to hear whether he was or not.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
just going by the quote and response from stradden saying the reviewer is not a random poster, and since only Bloodworth mentioned it, was assuming it was more directed at him and to make a point that the review writer is part of the staff and has a respectable opinion.
Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.
Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.
Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.
How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?
What context for crying out loud??? Reviewer wrote a review. HIS personal views on it. Some didn't like it and they want what? An apology? Get over yourselves, take it with a grain of salt and move.
You can't debate a one sided argument. It isn't reiteration anymore, it's not being able to accept the futility of arguing a point to death. The debate happened, it left without resolve, that's it. If you were all too slow to see it go, reread and move on.
It's gets sad when even the Managing Editor has to repeat himself in asking to 'move on'.
Good review. Personally, I would have gone with a 5/10 because I dont find the combat system too revolutional mostly because I play casters and the spell casting system that is implemented in AoC is absolutely no different from the 100's of other computer games on the market.
IMO, the only thing that AoC has done better than any other game is the graphics. However, because the graphics are so intense, FC had to instance the majority of the game in order to make it run in a playable state. I dont consider that a major bonus. I would rather have slightly less detailed graphics in combination with an open world.
I honestly dont see why some people are getting that upset about 1 random stranger saying that the community is made of up Neanderthals, but I guess that is just how I differ from some other folks. If some person that I have never heard of before publishes in a magazine that the city(or state, country, employment building, school, etc.) I live in is full of Asshats, I dont get offended by that comment. That particular individual most likely had a bad experience when he was in my city(or where ever) and is just writing what he felt like he experienced. Do I get all bent out of shape because 1 individual doesnt like the same thing that I do? No, that would be delusional on my part. Do I get offended when I am playing a PvE MMO and players call all PvE'rs Carebears? Nope. What about when I am playing a PvP game and someone referres to all PvP'rs as Gankers? Not at all. This is just someone's opinion and doesnt necessarily make them correct.
So, stop getting all bent out of shape because some guy you dont even know calls people who play a particular online game, Neanderthals. It is that person's own opinion and it doesnt make him right or wrong.
With that said, if you need further convincing then think back to when you were growing up and how your parents talked to you about Sticks and Stones. If you dont feel compelled to listen to some people on this forum then at least listen to your own parents. I dont think they would steer you wrong.
I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.
Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.
What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.
Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.
What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.
Yes and he was quoting on a subject already dead. If you wish to beat a dead horse thats's fine, but keep on track with which argument is being discussed. And fyi..it IS how it works, else you lose credibility for future debates, but I don't need to go into that discussion.
I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.
Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.
What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.
Yes and he was quoting on a subject already dead. If you wish to beat a dead horse thats's fine, but keep on track with which argument is being discussed. And fyi..it IS how it works, else you lose credibility for future debates, but I don't need to go into that discussion.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson