If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
Well in my opinion this review is a joke as almost all reviews made in every magazine and on every major website last 5-6 years. All it does, is trying to appeal the majority of the people here, that felt to AoC hype before release, so it gets favourable feedback from the community. This review is just the reflection of the state of the AoC-forums on this website. It's a coward article hiding behind the community.
Naah, I don't think so. Companies pay to put their ads on game sites, where as it costs nothing to subscribe to mmorpg.com. If there was going to be a bias I would be suspicious the other way.
It was a fair review.
Nah I agree with him mmorpg.com's reviews always seem to go with the current trend, which seems to be hate for the game especially on this site. I might have agreed with the review just after launch, but the game has improved so much since then.
Play games for yourself I say and dont go by obviously biased reviews on sites like this.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well in my opinion this review is a joke as almost all reviews made in every magazine and on every major website last 5-6 years. All it does, is trying to appeal the majority of the people here, that felt to AoC hype before release, so it gets favourable feedback from the community. This review is just the reflection of the state of the AoC-forums on this website. It's a coward article hiding behind the community.
Naah, I don't think so. Companies pay to put their ads on game sites, where as it costs nothing to subscribe to mmorpg.com. If there was going to be a bias I would be suspicious the other way.
It was a fair review.
No it works this way. The more happy visitors on this site => the more different IP mouse clicks it gets per day => the more money they're gonna get from the advertisment. If they go against the trend here and start making reviews that go against the majority, there is a risk of losing visitors, therefore less money from advertisment.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
Even though I never said it was spamming, that was Stradden, I was pretty much saying the same thing. I thought you were doing just that (bringing up a dead subject by your objection:
-"How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in? "
MrB was just spamming this line: "Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.", even after it was explained by Stradden that nothing about the review was by a 'random user'.
If the subject/topic has been explained to the extent it can go, then further display of the same 'points' is futile and is spamming. That's all I was saying in that regard.
I apologize for the confusion, if any, though I still stand by what I said.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
Even though I never said it was spamming, that was Stradden, I was pretty much saying the same thing. I thought you were doing just that (bringing up a dead subject by your objection:
-"How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in? "
MrB was just spamming this line: "Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.", even after it was explained by Stradden that nothing about the review was by a 'random user'.
If the subject/topic has been explained to the extent it can go, then further display of the same 'points' is futile and is spamming. That's all I was saying in that regard.
I apologize for the confusion, if any, though I still stand by what I said.
The spamming question was in regard to all conversations here, and my reasons for stating my opinion more than once. Tomorrow there could be 100 replies to my posts, I can't be blamed for the spamming of the topic if I reply to some of them , if you catch my drift. I wasn't referring to Mr.B's point at all, random poster #232324242 is irrelevant to the topic at hand really.
No worries though, all's well that ends well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The guild I am in on Bloodspire boasts teachers, bankers, accountants, Uni Students....and they are ALL very nice and civilised to eachother.
Making a comment on the WHOLE playerbase based on rolling 1 toon on one server, and reading forum comprised of mainly people that have left is, in my opinion very unprofessional and should never have made it past the Editor. I am very disappointed.
There it is, I have stated my opinion ,in a way that does NOT slur or slander anyone, and I will leave it at that.
Decent review and agree with a lot of it except for a few points, which are:
* Lack of emotes? You just need to push 'Y' and a box appears with 12 quick emotes and a drop down menu with around 50-60. So I don't think that was fair.
* Player base - I actually find it quite good and for the most part I have had and seen plenty of good comms going on in global chat. Even if its a bit of smack talk its still pretty mature. On average the players I come across are 30-45 years old and seem pretty solid.
* Lag when in PvP? I dont find that and I play on high spec. Granted I have seen it slow down but in the mini PvP games I have seen 10-12 players on the screen and there is little change. I am yet to see a siege battle.
* NPC's giving quests using voices used to be mostly up to level 20 as you said but since a few patches back there are plenty more out there now. Could still use some more though.
Overall decent review but I feel the above points needed to be stated.
sorry but his assessment is correct. The community is horrible and willing to jump down anyones throats compared to any other mmo. Look how YOU guys are reacting to his comment, and it is waht, only 3 or 4 of you? Now multiply that by a thousand fold and it is a fair representation of the games community. I have 2 toons, a level 24 Assassin on cimmeria and a level 32 HoX on Wiccana. PVP servers the community is atrocious, ooc every 5 mins "wtF ! XXX is an ass, just killed me at a spawn point" or wiccanna "Where the F*** is the pvp at? cmon gues queu up for a mini game you ***sy!" I am playing solo atm, giving the game a try 3 months after i cancelled, but while the graphics and music are truly awe inspiring, the 4k spike and community make it next to impossible to enjoy.
Having played both PVE and PVP servers, the community is just bad, slightly better on PVE, but still bad. I played SWG, EQ2, LOTRO, VANGUARD, and WAR in the last year, the ONLY game with a worse community is a wow pvp server. I never experienced such a vile and hateful bunch in any of the previous games mentioned. Last night in Wiccana i had asked how to reset skill points, wanted to put some more into climbing for a quest to get a yeti pelt, and i was basically mocked for a good 10 minutes.
Yeah, but it's the writers fault right?
I have two comments on this review and one comment on Miagisans observations/claims. To start with you Miagisan first:
1. I agree with you the AoC playerbase has a large fracktion of pretty hardcore people that are not the most polite people in the MMO genre. Some of the most populated servers are Mayhem in certain areas and people hunt you for your head and XP. It's wild and if you look for a cushion ingame there is none. Necesarily there is also a lot of bitching when people realize "oh, high population is not always that good". I belive this is the reason for ingame bitching over the OOC channel. The second thing is forum bitching. If you have noticed many of the AoC forums (even though the official forums are quite good now) have a very agressive tone. I think that's what you are bound to have after n number of posts about shooting Erling Ellingsen, that FC stock is down, doom is burning in the horizon and wild wild speculations on population numbers from people that have not even played the game. Posts like this is normally made by people with a failcom logo or something along that line. typically there are in general few attempts to moderate these obvious trollposts. The average AoC gamer that visit forums is just so FCKing fed up of this, that the majority of them switch straight to "Shut it trollbitch"-mode the moment someone start to pull out old and wellused bashpoints, because AoC gamers are hardly ever left alone to just have a normal fruitfull discussion about a game they like. It's frustrating beyond belife and I can understand AoC fans, on the otherside this is the worst way to behave if you want to start something constructive.
2.In the review itself I thought one statement was quite wrong.It goes as follows: "Any discussion of Age of Conan is bound to get around to its visuals, and with good reason. The game is unquestionably the best looking MMORPG to date, full of eye candy both in terms of its lush environments and the startling attention to detail given to character models and movement animations. The motions are, for the most part, fluid and life-like, a far cry from the jerky, comparatively primitive offerings of other games on the market. That said, all the sexiness comes at a hefty price, namely the steepest system requirements in the genre, and the caveat that even with a three-thousand dollar tyrannosaurus of a gaming computer, you're still going to lag like a drunken wooly mammoth and experience significant frame rate issues when attempting to engage in siege combat (or really, any combat with more than a few people on screen)." This is not correct. AoC had performance and FPS issues some time after launch (according to players that played the game from the beginning). This is not the case anymore. There are hundreds of threads on this in AoC official forums, and the concensus is performance is way up. Me myself in example started playing like +3 weeks ago, and my really boring medio Rig (only nonboring part is my GeForce 8800) runs this game on high at 30-40 FPS. I have read numerous posts where people say they run AoC on high at higher FPS than WAR. So I think good old Jed took a shortcut here and recycled some after launch common knowledge. I suggest this part of the review is edited. All it will take is to fire up any medium rig with the game and confirm what I say. For lag, there have been some posts as of late on lag, but this is not the type of lag you will get due to high activity in an area. This is just high latency spikes that seem to drop in every now and then for no particular reason.
3. 6/10 is way too low for this very well made game. People keep telling me that the game I play has bugs. Well guess what I can't hardly find any. Game runs smooth as silk and I have only noticed one or two funny bugs til now (LvL 40s). Maybe I am not good enoough troubleshooter or a hopeless programmer (I think that would be to put it mildly), but this game looks bugfree to me. I am well aware of that every patch holds a ton of fixes, tweeks and changes for a reason, but I am saying these bugs are not glaring issues that will hamper the average user in any way. The game is totally fine in my opinion. When I started Age of Conan I was blown away. This game seriously holds the standard of Heavenly Sword and Lost Planet on Xbox360 for the guys that have tested those (and this is only the Dx9 version). This alone is a masterfull achievement for an MMO. When I started playing I kid you not, I went WTFOMGWTFOMG, this is the coolest shit I've ever seen *spasm* "I cut his FCKing arm off" lololol. I was shocked and I am still really amazed about how well this game is made. A mixture of the graphics themselves and the very welltimed smooth animations just absolutely fullfill all my demands on visuals. I could go on and on, but all in all i gave the game a 10/10 at start. Now after 44 levels I am thinking on giving the game perhaps a 9/10 as the crafting was not as good as it could have been. Anyway all this brings me to the conclusion that 6/10 is an outrageously low score. There is absolutely now way this game can get less than 7 or 8. Maybe it was those erronous FPS or bug remarks that contributed to the 6, but 6/10 for this game is way to hard. Just compare it to what other material available in the industry today and it should not be hard to realize that a 6 is way to hard on this game.
* Lack of emotes? You just need to push 'Y' and a box appears with 12 quick emotes and a drop down menu with around 50-60. So I don't think that was fair.
I agree with both of you. I took that part comparing to some other MMO that have much more. Even the important part wasn't really the lack of them but more that they aren't very user friendly. Yes the box is a good idea but not as good as something like in SWG /wav %tt, no need to put the full lenght of any command as the first unique letters are sufficient and also no need to type the name or race or sex of the target.
* Player base - I actually find it quite good and for the most part I have had and seen plenty of good comms going on in global chat. Even if its a bit of smack talk its still pretty mature. On average the players I come across are 30-45 years old and seem pretty solid.
I don't play anymore but on PvP servers he's not really wrong. From my experience PvE servers where fine
* Lag when in PvP? I dont find that and I play on high spec. Granted I have seen it slow down but in the mini PvP games I have seen 10-12 players on the screen and there is little change. I am yet to see a siege battle.
He was focusing on Sieges.
* NPC's giving quests using voices used to be mostly up to level 20 as you said but since a few patches back there are plenty more out there now. Could still use some more though.
I read that around 20-30 quests add voice over, do you have the real #? It is getting better still you can't deny there is a huge change after level 20.
Now about people offended by Neanderthals, this made me smile.
I would be glad to be a Neanderthals: you drink fresh water, eat tasty meat, premium quality vegetables, females have this sexy smooth fur that makes you purr and the air isn't even polluted! I take that as a compliment!
Edit: PezzBomb I found the last part of your post refreshing and I'm not really a Fanbois.
Well in my opinion this review is a joke as almost all reviews made in every magazine and on every major website last 5-6 years. All it does, is trying to appeal the majority of the people here, that felt to AoC hype before release, so it gets favourable feedback from the community. This review is just the reflection of the state of the AoC-forums on this website. It's a coward article hiding behind the community.
I agree with you.
Age of Conan has issues and still need at least one year/maybe an expansion to be great, it has good art, unique combat, a great lore, fantastic music, great graphics, but it need more balance, more content/zones, depth, fixes and polish, but as you said "This review is just the reflection of the state of the AoC-forums on this website. It's a coward article hiding behind the community."
The review is offensive, it lacks information and a subjective sense of judgment .
It is a personal and emotive review, not a profissional and informative review, the player base has the right to feel offended.
The lack of respect (for the player base) and perception ( about the "few emotes", there is more emotes in AOC than Vanguard, War, Guild Wars etc) showed this is not a serious review.
MMORPG staff. I try to stay as unaffected by forum posting or reviews as possible but review was just absolutley outrageous. You got multiple of your facts wrong, like that emoticon thing mentioned above. When I read that I smiling and I knew this is not the real stuff. Log on press Ctrl+y and you''l get up an interface with all emoticons thats just way way more comprehensive that in WOW even. Seriously, anybody from any game community I challenge you to count your games emoticons and you will not find as many as in AoC.
More importantly as Pess point out above, you were wrong on a very very importnat point. Performance!!! The game engine of AoC toss around this beast of a game at a FPS as high as 30-40 in the graphically most demanding areas of AoC (The villas) with fairly standard gaming 2K$ machines. This is a gross error from your side and must be corrected. Just for the record perfomance was way up since 6 weeks back.
Eurogamer game 6/10 very recently, I hope you were not tempted to let yourself be affected by them in any way. You can seriously not leave AoC on a score at the same level as Matrix Online. There is absolutely no sense in this.
"Phuxurmom, a conqueror according to my combat spam, swings his sword deftly and, in two swift strokes, my assassin lies sprawled in a pool of his own guts as they spread beneath him on the frozen tundra, his head a few feet removed from the rest of his body and his arms embarrassingly akimbo. All I can do is hurriedly click the respawn button to save my poor avatar from the tea-bagging fate that is surely worse than his latest pseudo-death. The joke of it all is that there was no rare spawn nearby, no resource node within a country mile, and really, no reason at all for the bloke's sword to be sticking out of my gullet other than the sheer spitefulness and possible adolescent maladjustment of its owner"
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I guess the review was spot on and the rating was also fine, i havent played on aoc for a few months now due to it being very shallow at end game and there was nothing to do. But Jeff if i was bored sitting in egliophian mountains and there was nothing to do and i saw you walking across the plains you know what i wouldve done?, I would definately kill you. Probably for no reason but my sheer amusement as i was paying 15$ to play the game and it was a PVP server. Dude u shouldve rolled on a PVE sever..
The author labels the Conan community as neanderthals, for the sole reason of getting killed too often. Here is a tip Sir, don't roll on a FFA PvP server.
AoC has many flaws, but at the same time has many qualities as well. I think this site is getting caught up too much in the AoC hater mindset, yet lest not forget hating is easy, but it gets you nowhere.
Originally posted by Malickie Again I'm not talking about a critique, it's the insults that came along with the criticism that bothers me. I find it highly unprofessional. If you had a bad experience, it's understandable to comment on it. Calling a community cave men and a bunch of idiots is different. This can differ by circumstance as well, a game is not made up only by the few hundred people you came across. Not when there's the possibility for hundreds of thousands to be playing. That's an important distinction to be made.
okay enough with the idiots thing - Steelrose made that up. Which you would know if you had read the review. So instead of taking such a beef with the review - you could instead take it out on people who lie about what is actually written
So maybe the author should have said one of the CONS of the game is the community, rather than saying the Neanderthal community.
So maybe the author should have said one of the CONS of the game is the community, rather than saying the Neanderthal community.
Yea i totally agree, that was very unprofessional on the authors part. I still have a lot of friends on AoC and i can tell you that they surely arent uncivilised cavemen. Every single game is like a mixed bag theres some good people and theres some bad, but putting everyone in the same neanderthal category is poor judgement.
The fans are in this thread proving every last word of what the reviewer states, this is golden.
"How dare you say something negative about our game, how dare you think we have a horrible community, how dare you write a review that doesn't agree with everything we pretend the game is. You are biased, you are a carebear.... ME ANGRY!! ME MAD!! REVIEW BAAAAD!!!
You folks are priceless, and the worst of you are two people that have admitted over and over that they don't even play the game anymore, they want to argue so bad that they act offended just to try and start an argument... absolutely fabulous....
I'm sorry I didn't come back to this thread earlier, I'm laughing so hard I may crap my pants....
This article drove all the angry roaches straight out of the basement.
MMORPG.com Reviewer Jef Reahard takes a deep look at Funcom's Age of Conan, highlighting the game's strengths and weaknesses.
I'm standing high atop the windswept peaks of the Eiglophian Mountains, looking out across the switchbacks and narrow ravines leading to the tiny settlement of Dinog nestled near the roots of the hills. Its an altogether magnificent scene, or, at least it was until I looked down to see the tip of a sword sticking out of my gut, the blood-red drops of gore trickling off its tip and soiling the pristine white of the snow-capped ledge beneath my sandaled feet. Phuxurmom, a conqueror according to my combat spam, swings his sword deftly and, in two swift strokes, my assassin lies sprawled in a pool of his own guts as they spread beneath him on the frozen tundra, his head a few feet removed from the rest of his body and his arms embarrassingly akimbo. All I can do is hurriedly click the respawn button to save my poor avatar from the tea-bagging fate that is surely worse than his latest pseudo-death. The joke of it all is that there was no rare spawn nearby, no resource node within a country mile, and really, no reason at all for the bloke's sword to be sticking out of my gullet other than the sheer spitefulness and possible adolescent maladjustment of its owner.
Spot on review, i couldn't agree with you more about the game.... I original played on a PvP RP Server when the game came out and it was nothing but a gank fest, being a RP server I figure they would only attack if they actually had a grudge against you, but nope, it was no better then a regular PvP server, people would kill me for no reason which defeats the purpose of a RP server...
I also agree the game falls apart after you leave Tortage (around level 20).. To bad because the first 20 levels got me hyped for the rest of the game, soon as I landed in Cimmeria and talked to the first NPC and all I got was text telling me to go kill 10 spiders I was very bummed..
After I hit level 80 and ran out of stuff to do, I decided to try crafting as I figured that was part of the end game content, boy was I wrong.... Crafting was tacked on at the last second as a novelty.. The items crafted were worse then looted / rewards items, and were very extremely generic looking..
Then I turned my attention to doing Raid Dungeons figuring that was going to be kick ass... WRONG, the dungeons were very generic and completely unbalanced with lots of bugs...
This game needs a lot of work... Hopefully 6-8 months from now the game past level 20 will be redone and made more in line with the first 20 levels..
I love it. The fans are in this thread proving every last word of what the reviewer states, this is golden. "How dare you say something negative about our game, how dare you think we have a horrible community, how dare you write a review that doesn't agree with everything we pretend the game is. You are biased, you are a carebear.... ME ANGRY!! ME MAD!! REVIEW BAAAAD!!! You folks are priceless, and the worst of you are two people that have admitted over and over that they don't even play the game anymore, they want to argue so bad that they act offended just to try and start an argument... absolutely fabulous.... I'm sorry I didn't come back to this thread earlier, I'm laughing so hard I may crap my pants.... This article drove all the angry roaches straight out of the basement.
Sorry any review that throws a label like that at a community, is going to get some form of backlash. Who even said anyone was mad? Looks like you're just trying to do exactly what you accuse others of doing (causing drama).
No one is attacking the reviewer on a personal level, or making unrealistic complaints about the review itself. If the reviewer had thought on a professional level, there would be no need for the complaints. It's unwise for someone speaking officially for this site to insult part of their community, that's exactly what happened here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Again I'm not talking about a critique, it's the insults that came along with the criticism that bothers me. I find it highly unprofessional.
If you had a bad experience, it's understandable to comment on it. Calling a community cave men and a bunch of idiots is different.
This can differ by circumstance as well, a game is not made up only by the few hundred people you came across. Not when there's the possibility for hundreds of thousands to be playing. That's an important distinction to be made.
okay enough with the idiots thing - Steelrose made that up. Which you would know if you had read the review. So instead of taking such a beef with the review - you could instead take it out on people who lie about what is actually written
So maybe the author should have said one of the CONS of the game is the community, rather than saying the Neanderthal community.
Yeah I realized that, after this post. Doesn't change a thing about the Neanderthal comment which is exactly, why I didn't read the review.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
Even though I never said it was spamming, that was Stradden, I was pretty much saying the same thing. I thought you were doing just that (bringing up a dead subject by your objection:
-"How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in? "
MrB was just spamming this line: "Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.", even after it was explained by Stradden that nothing about the review was by a 'random user'.
If the subject/topic has been explained to the extent it can go, then further display of the same 'points' is futile and is spamming. That's all I was saying in that regard.
I apologize for the confusion, if any, though I still stand by what I said.
The spamming question was in regard to all conversations here, and my reasons for stating my opinion more than once. Tomorrow there could be 100 replies to my posts, I can't be blamed for the spamming of the topic if I reply to some of them , if you catch my drift. I wasn't referring to Mr.B's point at all, random poster #232324242 is irrelevant to the topic at hand really.
No worries though, all's well that ends well.
I spamed nothing. Both you and stradden need to try to read the POSTS in the thread. In order, you know, not just jumping and reading one post in the thread. Perhaps it just may make sense. I know its hard to track conversations and topics on this site.
Here, ill do it for you.
My First post:
Why didn't john do this review, seems every review on this site now is done by someone else, makes it hard to gauge anything in the articles. Review from internet user #36579241 is about as useful as an official review as the 5 threads in the games forums by the same title.
Second, still touching on one topic of three in my posts:
If anyone would like to tell me, that i am wrong, or making assertions about the reviewer, I already covered this, I don’t know who he is, or what articles he has written before, going back to another of my original points. Perhaps is reviewers were given Genres, maybe then would I know where they are coming from.
jedijef at the ready with the guns:
So I guess I think I'm a mouth-breather, since, looking over my game shelf, I see Far Cry 1 & 2, all the CoD games, all the Doom games, Half-Life 1 & 2, and many more.
Need I go on?
I get that you didn't like the review, that's totally cool, but man seriously, at least come up with something more than an assumption if you're going to spar with me. So far what you've said lacks credibility, to be kind, and is flat out wrong, to be blunt.
I wasn’t done posting. Also, I said I liked the review. Third, you just also reinforced my point about I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE YOU COME FROM. You are still, random reviewer #49857372902, with as much history as any other poster here. This was easily a post on the forums, like I said.
Not your fault, it’s the managements here.
Then the brilliant finnmacool1 posted this gem:
Please dont allow arrogant carebear pricks to review pvp games if they are going to cry about getting ganked. Its obvious the little girl has never played a real pvp game like shadowbane or eve and is used to carebear light titles like wow and war.
Aside from her tears about the community the parts about the actual game are pretty accurate for the most part.
miagisan chimed in:
rofl.....it's not ok to stereo type the community in aoc, but then we have this
to which i responded:
Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.
IE: It had just as much Credibility as any other poster, such as our friend here, finnmacool1 . This review was nothing more than an elivated post...........
You know what...im not even going to repeat myself for the like, fith time.
Then i was told to stop posting, and that i was spamming. Really? looked on topic and consistent with the conversation to me, unless you cherry pick the posts you read and have a severe case of ADD.
Thanks.
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If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
Naah, I don't think so. Companies pay to put their ads on game sites, where as it costs nothing to subscribe to mmorpg.com. If there was going to be a bias I would be suspicious the other way.
It was a fair review.
Nah I agree with him mmorpg.com's reviews always seem to go with the current trend, which seems to be hate for the game especially on this site. I might have agreed with the review just after launch, but the game has improved so much since then.
Play games for yourself I say and dont go by obviously biased reviews on sites like this.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Naah, I don't think so. Companies pay to put their ads on game sites, where as it costs nothing to subscribe to mmorpg.com. If there was going to be a bias I would be suspicious the other way.
It was a fair review.
No it works this way. The more happy visitors on this site => the more different IP mouse clicks it gets per day => the more money they're gonna get from the advertisment. If they go against the trend here and start making reviews that go against the majority, there is a risk of losing visitors, therefore less money from advertisment.
Yes, it's that simple....
Decent review. However you use way too many commas, and get a 'C' for grammar.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
Even though I never said it was spamming, that was Stradden, I was pretty much saying the same thing. I thought you were doing just that (bringing up a dead subject by your objection:
-"How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in? "
MrB was just spamming this line: "Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.", even after it was explained by Stradden that nothing about the review was by a 'random user'.
If the subject/topic has been explained to the extent it can go, then further display of the same 'points' is futile and is spamming. That's all I was saying in that regard.
I apologize for the confusion, if any, though I still stand by what I said.
If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.
That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I were just talking about different mediums.
I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.
Even though I never said it was spamming, that was Stradden, I was pretty much saying the same thing. I thought you were doing just that (bringing up a dead subject by your objection:
-"How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in? "
MrB was just spamming this line: "Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.", even after it was explained by Stradden that nothing about the review was by a 'random user'.
If the subject/topic has been explained to the extent it can go, then further display of the same 'points' is futile and is spamming. That's all I was saying in that regard.
I apologize for the confusion, if any, though I still stand by what I said.
The spamming question was in regard to all conversations here, and my reasons for stating my opinion more than once. Tomorrow there could be 100 replies to my posts, I can't be blamed for the spamming of the topic if I reply to some of them , if you catch my drift. I wasn't referring to Mr.B's point at all, random poster #232324242 is irrelevant to the topic at hand really.
No worries though, all's well that ends well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The guild I am in on Bloodspire boasts teachers, bankers, accountants, Uni Students....and they are ALL very nice and civilised to eachother.
Making a comment on the WHOLE playerbase based on rolling 1 toon on one server, and reading forum comprised of mainly people that have left is, in my opinion very unprofessional and should never have made it past the Editor. I am very disappointed.
There it is, I have stated my opinion ,in a way that does NOT slur or slander anyone, and I will leave it at that.
Decent review and agree with a lot of it except for a few points, which are:
* Lack of emotes? You just need to push 'Y' and a box appears with 12 quick emotes and a drop down menu with around 50-60. So I don't think that was fair.
* Player base - I actually find it quite good and for the most part I have had and seen plenty of good comms going on in global chat. Even if its a bit of smack talk its still pretty mature. On average the players I come across are 30-45 years old and seem pretty solid.
* Lag when in PvP? I dont find that and I play on high spec. Granted I have seen it slow down but in the mini PvP games I have seen 10-12 players on the screen and there is little change. I am yet to see a siege battle.
* NPC's giving quests using voices used to be mostly up to level 20 as you said but since a few patches back there are plenty more out there now. Could still use some more though.
Overall decent review but I feel the above points needed to be stated.
I have two comments on this review and one comment on Miagisans observations/claims. To start with you Miagisan first:
1. I agree with you the AoC playerbase has a large fracktion of pretty hardcore people that are not the most polite people in the MMO genre. Some of the most populated servers are Mayhem in certain areas and people hunt you for your head and XP. It's wild and if you look for a cushion ingame there is none. Necesarily there is also a lot of bitching when people realize "oh, high population is not always that good". I belive this is the reason for ingame bitching over the OOC channel. The second thing is forum bitching. If you have noticed many of the AoC forums (even though the official forums are quite good now) have a very agressive tone. I think that's what you are bound to have after n number of posts about shooting Erling Ellingsen, that FC stock is down, doom is burning in the horizon and wild wild speculations on population numbers from people that have not even played the game. Posts like this is normally made by people with a failcom logo or something along that line. typically there are in general few attempts to moderate these obvious trollposts. The average AoC gamer that visit forums is just so FCKing fed up of this, that the majority of them switch straight to "Shut it trollbitch"-mode the moment someone start to pull out old and wellused bashpoints, because AoC gamers are hardly ever left alone to just have a normal fruitfull discussion about a game they like. It's frustrating beyond belife and I can understand AoC fans, on the otherside this is the worst way to behave if you want to start something constructive.
2.In the review itself I thought one statement was quite wrong.It goes as follows: "Any discussion of Age of Conan is bound to get around to its visuals, and with good reason. The game is unquestionably the best looking MMORPG to date, full of eye candy both in terms of its lush environments and the startling attention to detail given to character models and movement animations. The motions are, for the most part, fluid and life-like, a far cry from the jerky, comparatively primitive offerings of other games on the market. That said, all the sexiness comes at a hefty price, namely the steepest system requirements in the genre, and the caveat that even with a three-thousand dollar tyrannosaurus of a gaming computer, you're still going to lag like a drunken wooly mammoth and experience significant frame rate issues when attempting to engage in siege combat (or really, any combat with more than a few people on screen)." This is not correct. AoC had performance and FPS issues some time after launch (according to players that played the game from the beginning). This is not the case anymore. There are hundreds of threads on this in AoC official forums, and the concensus is performance is way up. Me myself in example started playing like +3 weeks ago, and my really boring medio Rig (only nonboring part is my GeForce 8800) runs this game on high at 30-40 FPS. I have read numerous posts where people say they run AoC on high at higher FPS than WAR. So I think good old Jed took a shortcut here and recycled some after launch common knowledge. I suggest this part of the review is edited. All it will take is to fire up any medium rig with the game and confirm what I say. For lag, there have been some posts as of late on lag, but this is not the type of lag you will get due to high activity in an area. This is just high latency spikes that seem to drop in every now and then for no particular reason.
3. 6/10 is way too low for this very well made game. People keep telling me that the game I play has bugs. Well guess what I can't hardly find any. Game runs smooth as silk and I have only noticed one or two funny bugs til now (LvL 40s). Maybe I am not good enoough troubleshooter or a hopeless programmer (I think that would be to put it mildly), but this game looks bugfree to me. I am well aware of that every patch holds a ton of fixes, tweeks and changes for a reason, but I am saying these bugs are not glaring issues that will hamper the average user in any way. The game is totally fine in my opinion. When I started Age of Conan I was blown away. This game seriously holds the standard of Heavenly Sword and Lost Planet on Xbox360 for the guys that have tested those (and this is only the Dx9 version). This alone is a masterfull achievement for an MMO. When I started playing I kid you not, I went WTFOMGWTFOMG, this is the coolest shit I've ever seen *spasm* "I cut his FCKing arm off" lololol. I was shocked and I am still really amazed about how well this game is made. A mixture of the graphics themselves and the very welltimed smooth animations just absolutely fullfill all my demands on visuals. I could go on and on, but all in all i gave the game a 10/10 at start. Now after 44 levels I am thinking on giving the game perhaps a 9/10 as the crafting was not as good as it could have been. Anyway all this brings me to the conclusion that 6/10 is an outrageously low score. There is absolutely now way this game can get less than 7 or 8. Maybe it was those erronous FPS or bug remarks that contributed to the 6, but 6/10 for this game is way to hard. Just compare it to what other material available in the industry today and it should not be hard to realize that a 6 is way to hard on this game.
Ahh I like this. "Neanderthal Player Base"
-Computer specs no one cares about: check.
-MMOs played no one cares about: check.
-Xfire stats no one cares about: check.
-Signature no one cares about: check.
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-Narcissism: check.
Now about people offended by Neanderthals, this made me smile.
I would be glad to be a Neanderthals: you drink fresh water, eat tasty meat, premium quality vegetables, females have this sexy smooth fur that makes you purr and the air isn't even polluted! I take that as a compliment!
Edit: PezzBomb I found the last part of your post refreshing and I'm not really a Fanbois.
I agree with you.
Age of Conan has issues and still need at least one year/maybe an expansion to be great, it has good art, unique combat, a great lore, fantastic music, great graphics, but it need more balance, more content/zones, depth, fixes and polish, but as you said "This review is just the reflection of the state of the AoC-forums on this website. It's a coward article hiding behind the community."
The review is offensive, it lacks information and a subjective sense of judgment .
It is a personal and emotive review, not a profissional and informative review, the player base has the right to feel offended.
The lack of respect (for the player base) and perception ( about the "few emotes", there is more emotes in AOC than Vanguard, War, Guild Wars etc) showed this is not a serious review.
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MMORPG staff. I try to stay as unaffected by forum posting or reviews as possible but review was just absolutley outrageous. You got multiple of your facts wrong, like that emoticon thing mentioned above. When I read that I smiling and I knew this is not the real stuff. Log on press Ctrl+y and you''l get up an interface with all emoticons thats just way way more comprehensive that in WOW even. Seriously, anybody from any game community I challenge you to count your games emoticons and you will not find as many as in AoC.
More importantly as Pess point out above, you were wrong on a very very importnat point. Performance!!! The game engine of AoC toss around this beast of a game at a FPS as high as 30-40 in the graphically most demanding areas of AoC (The villas) with fairly standard gaming 2K$ machines. This is a gross error from your side and must be corrected. Just for the record perfomance was way up since 6 weeks back.
Eurogamer game 6/10 very recently, I hope you were not tempted to let yourself be affected by them in any way. You can seriously not leave AoC on a score at the same level as Matrix Online. There is absolutely no sense in this.
/emote drunkpiss
posted by jedijeff:-
"Phuxurmom, a conqueror according to my combat spam, swings his sword deftly and, in two swift strokes, my assassin lies sprawled in a pool of his own guts as they spread beneath him on the frozen tundra, his head a few feet removed from the rest of his body and his arms embarrassingly akimbo. All I can do is hurriedly click the respawn button to save my poor avatar from the tea-bagging fate that is surely worse than his latest pseudo-death. The joke of it all is that there was no rare spawn nearby, no resource node within a country mile, and really, no reason at all for the bloke's sword to be sticking out of my gullet other than the sheer spitefulness and possible adolescent maladjustment of its owner"
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I guess the review was spot on and the rating was also fine, i havent played on aoc for a few months now due to it being very shallow at end game and there was nothing to do. But Jeff if i was bored sitting in egliophian mountains and there was nothing to do and i saw you walking across the plains you know what i wouldve done?, I would definately kill you. Probably for no reason but my sheer amusement as i was paying 15$ to play the game and it was a PVP server. Dude u shouldve rolled on a PVE sever..
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It is a terrible review.
The author labels the Conan community as neanderthals, for the sole reason of getting killed too often. Here is a tip Sir, don't roll on a FFA PvP server.
AoC has many flaws, but at the same time has many qualities as well. I think this site is getting caught up too much in the AoC hater mindset, yet lest not forget hating is easy, but it gets you nowhere.
okay enough with the idiots thing - Steelrose made that up. Which you would know if you had read the review. So instead of taking such a beef with the review - you could instead take it out on people who lie about what is actually written
So maybe the author should have said one of the CONS of the game is the community, rather than saying the Neanderthal community.
Yea i totally agree, that was very unprofessional on the authors part. I still have a lot of friends on AoC and i can tell you that they surely arent uncivilised cavemen. Every single game is like a mixed bag theres some good people and theres some bad, but putting everyone in the same neanderthal category is poor judgement.
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what in the heavens, how can you claim that age of Conan is age of Cavemen.....
You Sir, how dare you base your assumptions that aoc is full of barbaric prehistoric people on a public review.
I love it.
The fans are in this thread proving every last word of what the reviewer states, this is golden.
"How dare you say something negative about our game, how dare you think we have a horrible community, how dare you write a review that doesn't agree with everything we pretend the game is. You are biased, you are a carebear.... ME ANGRY!! ME MAD!! REVIEW BAAAAD!!!
You folks are priceless, and the worst of you are two people that have admitted over and over that they don't even play the game anymore, they want to argue so bad that they act offended just to try and start an argument... absolutely fabulous....
I'm sorry I didn't come back to this thread earlier, I'm laughing so hard I may crap my pants....
This article drove all the angry roaches straight out of the basement.
Check out the Age of Conan Review
Spot on review, i couldn't agree with you more about the game.... I original played on a PvP RP Server when the game came out and it was nothing but a gank fest, being a RP server I figure they would only attack if they actually had a grudge against you, but nope, it was no better then a regular PvP server, people would kill me for no reason which defeats the purpose of a RP server...
I also agree the game falls apart after you leave Tortage (around level 20).. To bad because the first 20 levels got me hyped for the rest of the game, soon as I landed in Cimmeria and talked to the first NPC and all I got was text telling me to go kill 10 spiders I was very bummed..
After I hit level 80 and ran out of stuff to do, I decided to try crafting as I figured that was part of the end game content, boy was I wrong.... Crafting was tacked on at the last second as a novelty.. The items crafted were worse then looted / rewards items, and were very extremely generic looking..
Then I turned my attention to doing Raid Dungeons figuring that was going to be kick ass... WRONG, the dungeons were very generic and completely unbalanced with lots of bugs...
This game needs a lot of work... Hopefully 6-8 months from now the game past level 20 will be redone and made more in line with the first 20 levels..
Sorry any review that throws a label like that at a community, is going to get some form of backlash. Who even said anyone was mad? Looks like you're just trying to do exactly what you accuse others of doing (causing drama).
No one is attacking the reviewer on a personal level, or making unrealistic complaints about the review itself. If the reviewer had thought on a professional level, there would be no need for the complaints. It's unwise for someone speaking officially for this site to insult part of their community, that's exactly what happened here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
okay enough with the idiots thing - Steelrose made that up. Which you would know if you had read the review. So instead of taking such a beef with the review - you could instead take it out on people who lie about what is actually written
So maybe the author should have said one of the CONS of the game is the community, rather than saying the Neanderthal community.
Yeah I realized that, after this post. Doesn't change a thing about the Neanderthal comment which is exactly, why I didn't read the review.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I spamed nothing. Both you and stradden need to try to read the POSTS in the thread. In order, you know, not just jumping and reading one post in the thread. Perhaps it just may make sense. I know its hard to track conversations and topics on this site.
Here, ill do it for you.
My First post:
Second, still touching on one topic of three in my posts:
jedijef at the ready with the guns:
Then the brilliant finnmacool1 posted this gem:
miagisan chimed in:
to which i responded:
IE: It had just as much Credibility as any other poster, such as our friend here, finnmacool1 . This review was nothing more than an elivated post...........
You know what...im not even going to repeat myself for the like, fith time.
Then i was told to stop posting, and that i was spamming. Really? looked on topic and consistent with the conversation to me, unless you cherry pick the posts you read and have a severe case of ADD.
Thanks.
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