Ronald Reagan was not Ronald Reagan. I feel sorry for people, like ordinary folks, who do research on Reagan only to realize he was not really "conservative." In a democracy, you cannot always have your way. People have different opinions on different issues.
We have seen what Republicans are capable of when they control EVERYTHING. Now let's give Democrats a chance to rebuild, repair, and reinvigorate America.
Want to live like a republican (small r)? Vote Democrat!
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Ronald Reagan was not Ronald Reagan. I feel sorry for people, like ordinary folks, who do research on Reagan only to realize he was not really "conservative." In a democracy, you cannot always have your way. People have different opinions on different issues.
We have seen what Republicans are capable of when they control EVERYTHING. Now let's give Democrats a chance to rebuild, repair, and reinvigorate America.
Want to live like a republican (small r)? Vote Democrat!
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Marxiism huh? That not so bad! I love the Marx Brothers!
Ronald Reagan was not Ronald Reagan. I feel sorry for people, like ordinary folks, who do research on Reagan only to realize he was not really "conservative." In a democracy, you cannot always have your way. People have different opinions on different issues.
We have seen what Republicans are capable of when they control EVERYTHING. Now let's give Democrats a chance to rebuild, repair, and reinvigorate America.
Want to live like a republican (small r)? Vote Democrat!
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Marxiism huh? That not so bad! I love the Marx Brothers!
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They spend tooo much money on advertising for these elections, I would just give the money to charity and just win the election for being the best and not for having the best advertising.
I live in England and I don't know anyone who votes anymore because they're all shit lol.
Ronald Reagan was not Ronald Reagan. I feel sorry for people, like ordinary folks, who do research on Reagan only to realize he was not really "conservative." In a democracy, you cannot always have your way. People have different opinions on different issues.
We have seen what Republicans are capable of when they control EVERYTHING. Now let's give Democrats a chance to rebuild, repair, and reinvigorate America.
Want to live like a republican (small r)? Vote Democrat!
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Oh i don't know, Marxism is the basis for comunism. Communism has killed more than all the worlds wars combined. I would have to say it is worse than Manson bad.
This is an interesting thread because I was just thinking today, maybe we should try Joe Biden's solution for Iraq on the United States. Partition it into two separate countries. But instead of waiting for there to be another civil war, just do it voluntarily and let Americans move to whichever half they want. One half would be liberal America where the citizens could elect liberals who would tax them into the ground. It would be liberal heaven. Bureaucracy so big, the people would have almost no freedom whatsoever. They could work long hours and at the end of the day hand all of their money over to the government and do so with smiles on their faces because they would know that the government would take good care of them. The other half would be conservative America. Low tax rates and small government. I would be in favor of writing a ceiling into the tax code to prevent them from getting too high and if anyone who ran for office proposed raising taxes above that ceiling, they would automatically be expelled to liberal America where they would instantly become a hero. Now, of course, since splitting America in half would weaken the country as whole, this should be done on a contingency basis. After say, a quarter of a century, the two countries should be examined to see which is doing better economically and if it is clearly demonstrated that one is doing better than the other, the country which is lagging should be willing to admit defeat and the two should be reunited under the winning country's terms. Maybe that would put an end to the argument once and for all.
Firstoff, what makes you think Liberal America would work long hours all day?
Secondly, since when has conservative America had small government. Oh, wait, I get it, you mean short people.
By the way, this means the liberals will have the better rebounders, your NBA teams will suck. Actually, all your sports teams will suck. You get the snow belt, then you can have curling and hockey.
How about we liberals get the areas with the great beaches, so you guys can't drill, baby, drill?
That way we also get women's beach volleyball......
Well we get Texas as we don't put up with liberal shit here....ahh other then UT gotta love Texas as of 07 this is our pledge
Honor the Texas flag;
I pledge allegiance to thee,
Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.
Im sure that was done just to piss people off outside the state.
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Ronald Reagan was not Ronald Reagan. I feel sorry for people, like ordinary folks, who do research on Reagan only to realize he was not really "conservative." In a democracy, you cannot always have your way. People have different opinions on different issues.
We have seen what Republicans are capable of when they control EVERYTHING. Now let's give Democrats a chance to rebuild, repair, and reinvigorate America.
Want to live like a republican (small r)? Vote Democrat!
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Oh i don't know, Marxism is the basis for comunism. Communism has killed more than all the worlds wars combined. I would have to say it is worse than Manson bad.
Well, when you put it that way, I am inclined to agree. I was more speaking on an individual basis.
Originally posted by Cabe2323 I always find it funny to see Obama supporters with Jefferson quotes.
Thomas Jefferson and Obama are pretty much polar opposites when it comes to the Federal Government.
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Originally posted by Cabe2323 I always find it funny to see Obama supporters with Jefferson quotes.
Thomas Jefferson and Obama are pretty much polar opposites when it comes to the Federal Government.
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
Thomas Jefferson would be supporting Libertarians, not Hillary or Obamacain. If you don't want more government, stop voting for it.
when i was just leaving a shit behind in my toilet i too came to this decision. but Im going to get whats mine! social programs, here I come. im going to cheat my way to nowhere. lie about income so i can gets whatz minez. im going to be lazy and and eat my meals off of other americans backs. cmon obama, babeee.
apparently you don't look around much because people are already doing that everywhere, people get on these welfare systems and guess what they know how to play the government because even with the food stamps they are getting and all the help they have brand new cars, brand new houses, brand new everything off of the money the tax payers pay. yeah some don't but more and more do.
more and more women having kids to get child support (which needs to be looked at since they always spend it on stupid crap like beer and their hair...and when asked, the people in charge of these systems say they know its bad but people can do whatever they want right now with the money) they'll have some new boyfriend of theirs, claim 2 of their 4 kids so they can bring in more money on their returns..government never looks into it.
I see these people all the time, illegals playing the system too like that while many of us work our asses off for what we have, and i'm happy with what i have, but i'm just blabbing now.
Anyways its been like you said for years now trying to blame Obama for it is foolish, will it get worse? i don't think it can get anymore worse then it is...our money even feeds the prisons and they live better then half the people who don't do anything wrong to end up in prison, i live in colorado, tons of prisons here, these people live good in prison, they can have tvs, video game systems...pretty much anything.
Look at them commercials from those lawyers.."its my money and i want it now" basically saying we will help you sue for whatever stupid reason we can think of.
hell i almost wanna say illegals have hurt this country more then anything, i learned of places that give these people new vehicles, without needing to have a record of any type of credit, i learned of a cel phone company in Cali that does the same, i learned on of the big credit card companies had a policy to give these people cards...no i wont name names don't ask, i learned all this because of some issues i had with that same cc company and i'm sure there is more BS like that. All these businesses will help illegals but pretty much spit in the face of hard working americans.
Do i want handouts no, i have always worked hard for what i have, was raised that way by my grandparents. All the government programs need to be reworked somehow, too much abuse, other things need to be looked at like the abuse of child support, the abuse of insurance companies...meh
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
I see these people all the time, illegals playing the system too like that while many of us work our asses off for what we have, and i'm happy with what i have, but i'm just blabbing now. hell i almost wanna say illegals have hurt this country more then anything, i learned of places that give these people new vehicles, without needing to have a record of any type of credit, i learned of a cel phone company in Cali that does the same, i learned on of the big credit card companies had a policy to give these people cards...
White people abuse the system too.
And do you have any idea what would happen if we had no illegals in California? Pretty much all of the businesses that actually still make/produce items would stop. I don't understand why people complain about the illegal immigrants here, the simple fact is that without them most companies couldn't afford to pay people to work in their factories/manufacturing plants and what have you. How many white people do you know would stand in one spot for 8 hours, decorating cakes down a conveyor belt, or picking our vegetables/fruits every season, for minimum (or less than minimum) wage?
This country was founded by immigrants, and unless you are a Native American then your family were immigrants too.
You are correct they have helped, i'll reword what i meant by the illegals hurting, what i meant more is the companies that give out all this free (which isn't free, comes our of taxpayers pockets) stuff to them, i'm hispanic i don't dislike illegals, wish they would do something to stop them coming in illegaly yes, but that said, i was more talking about the companies giving all this stuff out. I know whites abuse the system too, so do the hispanics in my area, but my point was the giving out of all this stuff for no reason, and expecting everyone eles to fit the bill.
as much as they do the jobs that nobody else will, in the end if they are mooching off the system which alot of them do, yes just like americans do, they are just adding to the problems we have now, with our actual citizens who refuse to be responsible for themselves.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Originally posted by Scalebane as much as they do the jobs that nobody else will, in the end if they are mooching off the system which alot of them do, yes just like americans do, they are just adding to the problems we have now, with our actual citizens who refuse to be responsible for themselves.
Well some of them do, you're right. I have friends that have kids and they get something like $2000 per child when they file their tax returns ( I can't remember). Just for popping out a kid! It's almost enough to make me want to have a child..almost.
I agree though, something needs to be done about the people who screw and mooch off of the government, especially at tax time.
I honestly don't recognize America anymore. It sure isn't the land of opportunity anymore. It seems like many people want their government hand out and don't care about acting responsibly anymore. People have become sue crazy. People blame everyone but themselves for their childrens problems. People blame everyone else for their financial problems. Oh well I guess America had a nice run. We were such a great country where anyone from the lowest humblest beginings could make it big and now if Obama gets elected we will move closer and closer to become just another Socialistic country like the European Union. (How Socialism can be a good idea, when Europe had to join together because they couldn't make it as seperate countries running socialist systems, I will never understand).
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
I honestly don't recognize America anymore. It sure isn't the land of opportunity anymore. It seems like many people want their government hand out and don't care about acting responsibly anymore. People have become sue crazy. People blame everyone but themselves for their childrens problems. People blame everyone else for their financial problems. Oh well I guess America had a nice run. We were such a great country where anyone from the lowest humblest beginings could make it big and now if Obama gets elected we will move closer and closer to become just another Socialistic country like the European Union. (How Socialism can be a good idea, when Europe had to join together because they couldn't make it as seperate countries running socialist systems, I will never understand).
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
I honestly don't recognize America anymore. It sure isn't the land of opportunity anymore. It seems like many people want their government hand out and don't care about acting responsibly anymore. People have become sue crazy. People blame everyone but themselves for their childrens problems. People blame everyone else for their financial problems. Oh well I guess America had a nice run. We were such a great country where anyone from the lowest humblest beginings could make it big and now if Obama gets elected we will move closer and closer to become just another Socialistic country like the European Union. (How Socialism can be a good idea, when Europe had to join together because they couldn't make it as seperate countries running socialist systems, I will never understand).
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
Best post ever on this board!! Well done!
Well I have been protecting this country for the last 6 years. But that probably doesn't mean much.
That part in red is exactly what I am complaining about.
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I honestly don't recognize America anymore. It sure isn't the land of opportunity anymore. It seems like many people want their government hand out and don't care about acting responsibly anymore. People have become sue crazy. People blame everyone but themselves for their childrens problems. People blame everyone else for their financial problems. Oh well I guess America had a nice run. We were such a great country where anyone from the lowest humblest beginings could make it big and now if Obama gets elected we will move closer and closer to become just another Socialistic country like the European Union. (How Socialism can be a good idea, when Europe had to join together because they couldn't make it as seperate countries running socialist systems, I will never understand).
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
Best post ever on this board!! Well done!
Well I have been protecting this country for the last 6 years. But that probably doesn't mean much.
That part in red is exactly what I am complaining about.
Good, then you have every right to complain about these people then We pay the price for their party.
Over 20 years for me in both military and civil service.
Ignore the direction at you and let others read it, lord knows it applies to many here.
Thanks for your service and sacrifice, it means everything.Without it we are lost.
Originally posted by olddaddy Firstoff, what makes you think Liberal America would work long hours all day?
Ah, you raise a good point. Because on the on hand since Liberal America would be largely a welfare state, most of its citzens would want to kick back and ride the gravy train and perhaps not want to work at all. So from that perspective, I think you are right. The work day in Liberal America would be pretty cushy.
However, on the other hand, you are going to need a lot of money to fund that welfare state and you are going to have to get it from somewhere. So some people in Liberal America are going to have buck the trend to ride in the wagon and actually get out and pull it. That's a pretty tall order. I'm not sure how this would be accomplished.
After we go out and clean up the hate and debt filled Nation you Conservatives have left us, for the second time I might add, maybe then you will realize that working smart and is better than working hard.
Originally posted by Cabe2323 I always find it funny to see Obama supporters with Jefferson quotes.
Thomas Jefferson and Obama are pretty much polar opposites when it comes to the Federal Government.
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
Thomas Jefferson would be supporting Libertarians, not Hillary or Obamacain. If you don't want more government, stop voting for it.
No he wouldn't. Modern libertarian party is insane. Jefferson was not insane. Sorry, he would have taken one look at that pack of raving chuckleheads and gone elsewhere.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
Originally posted by Cabe2323 I always find it funny to see Obama supporters with Jefferson quotes.
Thomas Jefferson and Obama are pretty much polar opposites when it comes to the Federal Government.
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
Thomas Jefferson would be supporting Libertarians, not Hillary or Obamacain. If you don't want more government, stop voting for it.
No he wouldn't. Modern libertarian party is insane. Jefferson was not insane. Sorry, he would have taken one look at that pack of raving chuckleheads and gone elsewhere.
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At least we are still safe from terrorists. Even though our education and economy are shot to hell we can still feel safe!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
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Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
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Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Marxiism huh? That not so bad! I love the Marx Brothers!
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Marxiism huh? That not so bad! I love the Marx Brothers!
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They spend tooo much money on advertising for these elections, I would just give the money to charity and just win the election for being the best and not for having the best advertising.
I live in England and I don't know anyone who votes anymore because they're all shit lol.
Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Oh i don't know, Marxism is the basis for comunism. Communism has killed more than all the worlds wars combined. I would have to say it is worse than Manson bad.
Firstoff, what makes you think Liberal America would work long hours all day?
Secondly, since when has conservative America had small government. Oh, wait, I get it, you mean short people.
By the way, this means the liberals will have the better rebounders, your NBA teams will suck. Actually, all your sports teams will suck. You get the snow belt, then you can have curling and hockey.
How about we liberals get the areas with the great beaches, so you guys can't drill, baby, drill?
That way we also get women's beach volleyball......
Well we get Texas as we don't put up with liberal shit here....ahh other then UT gotta love Texas as of 07 this is our pledge
Honor the Texas flag;
I pledge allegiance to thee,
Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.
Im sure that was done just to piss people off outside the state.
Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.
If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms
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Except you aren't giving power to a "Democrat" you are giving it to one of the most Liberal Democrats to ever been in National Office. With one of the most liberal controlled Congresses of all time.
Obama is not Clinton. He is not a "Southern" Or "New" Democrat. He is not fiscally conservative.
He is LIBERAL in every definition of the term.
I didn't vote for Bush because he wasn't good for the Government and Obama will be just as bad if not worse then Bush (if that is possible).
People have bought into his crap that McCain is the same as Bush which is BS and anyone with half a brain can see that McCain isn't Bush.
And being liberal is bad....
Right?
And how bad is it? Is it like Charles Manson bad? Or is it just like Cincinnati Bengals bad?
It all depends on what you mean when you say "liberal." If you mean classical liberal, which is what we call "libertarian" today, then no, it's not bad.
Modern liberalism is more or less Marxism disguised as altruism. That's bad. Not Manson bad, but bad.
Oh i don't know, Marxism is the basis for comunism. Communism has killed more than all the worlds wars combined. I would have to say it is worse than Manson bad.
Well, when you put it that way, I am inclined to agree. I was more speaking on an individual basis.
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First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
Thomas Jefferson would be supporting Libertarians, not Hillary or Obamacain. If you don't want more government, stop voting for it.
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apparently you don't look around much because people are already doing that everywhere, people get on these welfare systems and guess what they know how to play the government because even with the food stamps they are getting and all the help they have brand new cars, brand new houses, brand new everything off of the money the tax payers pay. yeah some don't but more and more do.
more and more women having kids to get child support (which needs to be looked at since they always spend it on stupid crap like beer and their hair...and when asked, the people in charge of these systems say they know its bad but people can do whatever they want right now with the money) they'll have some new boyfriend of theirs, claim 2 of their 4 kids so they can bring in more money on their returns..government never looks into it.
I see these people all the time, illegals playing the system too like that while many of us work our asses off for what we have, and i'm happy with what i have, but i'm just blabbing now.
Anyways its been like you said for years now trying to blame Obama for it is foolish, will it get worse? i don't think it can get anymore worse then it is...our money even feeds the prisons and they live better then half the people who don't do anything wrong to end up in prison, i live in colorado, tons of prisons here, these people live good in prison, they can have tvs, video game systems...pretty much anything.
Look at them commercials from those lawyers.."its my money and i want it now" basically saying we will help you sue for whatever stupid reason we can think of.
hell i almost wanna say illegals have hurt this country more then anything, i learned of places that give these people new vehicles, without needing to have a record of any type of credit, i learned of a cel phone company in Cali that does the same, i learned on of the big credit card companies had a policy to give these people cards...no i wont name names don't ask, i learned all this because of some issues i had with that same cc company and i'm sure there is more BS like that. All these businesses will help illegals but pretty much spit in the face of hard working americans.
Do i want handouts no, i have always worked hard for what i have, was raised that way by my grandparents. All the government programs need to be reworked somehow, too much abuse, other things need to be looked at like the abuse of child support, the abuse of insurance companies...meh
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
White people abuse the system too.
And do you have any idea what would happen if we had no illegals in California? Pretty much all of the businesses that actually still make/produce items would stop. I don't understand why people complain about the illegal immigrants here, the simple fact is that without them most companies couldn't afford to pay people to work in their factories/manufacturing plants and what have you. How many white people do you know would stand in one spot for 8 hours, decorating cakes down a conveyor belt, or picking our vegetables/fruits every season, for minimum (or less than minimum) wage?
This country was founded by immigrants, and unless you are a Native American then your family were immigrants too.
You are correct they have helped, i'll reword what i meant by the illegals hurting, what i meant more is the companies that give out all this free (which isn't free, comes our of taxpayers pockets) stuff to them, i'm hispanic i don't dislike illegals, wish they would do something to stop them coming in illegaly yes, but that said, i was more talking about the companies giving all this stuff out. I know whites abuse the system too, so do the hispanics in my area, but my point was the giving out of all this stuff for no reason, and expecting everyone eles to fit the bill.
as much as they do the jobs that nobody else will, in the end if they are mooching off the system which alot of them do, yes just like americans do, they are just adding to the problems we have now, with our actual citizens who refuse to be responsible for themselves.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Well some of them do, you're right. I have friends that have kids and they get something like $2000 per child when they file their tax returns ( I can't remember). Just for popping out a kid! It's almost enough to make me want to have a child..almost.
I agree though, something needs to be done about the people who screw and mooch off of the government, especially at tax time.
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
Best post ever on this board!! Well done!
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
Best post ever on this board!! Well done!
Well I have been protecting this country for the last 6 years. But that probably doesn't mean much.
That part in red is exactly what I am complaining about.
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Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
What exactly are you "giving up" at?
What have you done to make our country a better place that you throwing in the towel?
Do you really think this is the worst era our country has experienced? Please, read your history. Your lifestyle is fat compared to the generations before.
The problem with America today is the people have forgotten how give, build, work and strive for excellence with their neighbors & families not at their expense. We have become a self centered, materialistic, lazy people who expect everything but want to pay and sacrific nothing.
You wanna cry about how terrible it is in our country go live in Pakastan or the Sudan for a week. Go on, give it a go. Then come back and moan about how you give up...if you survive.
You "give up" ...you gotta do something first in order to give up.
Best post ever on this board!! Well done!
Well I have been protecting this country for the last 6 years. But that probably doesn't mean much.
That part in red is exactly what I am complaining about.
Good, then you have every right to complain about these people then
We pay the price for their party.
Over 20 years for me in both military and civil service.
Ignore the direction at you and let others read it, lord knows it applies to many here.
Thanks for your service and sacrifice, it means everything. Without it we are lost.
Ah, you raise a good point. Because on the on hand since Liberal America would be largely a welfare state, most of its citzens would want to kick back and ride the gravy train and perhaps not want to work at all. So from that perspective, I think you are right. The work day in Liberal America would be pretty cushy.
However, on the other hand, you are going to need a lot of money to fund that welfare state and you are going to have to get it from somewhere. So some people in Liberal America are going to have buck the trend to ride in the wagon and actually get out and pull it. That's a pretty tall order. I'm not sure how this would be accomplished.
After we go out and clean up the hate and debt filled Nation you Conservatives have left us, for the second time I might add, maybe then you will realize that working smart and is better than working hard.
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
Thomas Jefferson would be supporting Libertarians, not Hillary or Obamacain. If you don't want more government, stop voting for it.
No he wouldn't. Modern libertarian party is insane. Jefferson was not insane. Sorry, he would have taken one look at that pack of raving chuckleheads and gone elsewhere.
In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson would not get elected today:
I like litigation and i like special interests it helps the economy grow if you were smart you'd realize that already you silly cats lol.
First, my candidate was Hillary Clinton, thank you very much. That fell through, and I think Obama is better than McCain, but he's hardly 'my ideal candidate.'
Second, McCain will increase the government more than Obama if he wins. How's Bush doing versus Clinton? Oh that's right, government has swelled enormously. Only way to get small government back is to send a clear message - no more 'big government take away your rights' people. Hey, at least Obama is trying to help people with the money we have, instead of spy on them.
Third, anyone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson ran a country anything like what we're running now is insane. Technology.
Thomas Jefferson would be supporting Libertarians, not Hillary or Obamacain. If you don't want more government, stop voting for it.
No he wouldn't. Modern libertarian party is insane. Jefferson was not insane. Sorry, he would have taken one look at that pack of raving chuckleheads and gone elsewhere.
Ah, debate by attack, how novel, how refreshing.
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Yup, gotta agree here.
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At least we are still safe from terrorists. Even though our education and economy are shot to hell we can still feel safe!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
EU is basically going to be an Islamic state in a generation. The smart ones are leaving before the takeover.
The econemy was great until dems took over house and senate. Go figure. Amazing how much havic they can cause in just 2 years.