if anyone is putting games you can just load a save in they need to stop gaming, they make the rest of us look dumb. all those games back in the day where you had like 3 lives and 3 continues to beat the game in are the real deals. 'course emulators have save states, so i wonder how many people really beat em' legit (should have used THAT word).
i would be interested to see what games people choose from say 128 bit on (no denying alot of nes games were difficult) no cheats, infact if the game has cheats possible you look like a noob for even mentioning it.
i would still say ninja gaiden.
but second would be jetset radio future with ALL unlockables.
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To find those you need to step back to the 8-bit era. Todays games are most of the time, easy peasy play in your sleep games. There are exceptions though, like the fiendeshly difficult Devil May Cry series, allthough it fades compared to some of the old 8-bit games when it comes to difficulty.
The old shooter called IO for the C64 had me breaking my controllers in anger as a kid :P That game is so damn hard its a lesson in frustration playing it. Another game on the old C64 called Cauldron or Cauldron 2 or something like that I never managed to finish cause it was so damn hard. You played a witch (a real one, with warts, hooknose and everything ) and wanted to collect ingredients for her spells. Another game I never managed to finish was Jumpman Jr, also on the C64. The secret ninjalevel beat my ass every time I tried it (mixing stuff up here. That ninjalevel was in a remake years after..oh well)
When I think about it, alot of those 8-bit games kicked your ass, so to choose a top difficult game amongst them is a little hard, but I say those games I mentioned above are good candidates, together with a few other, like another classic called Ghost n Goblins. You where mentally raped in that one
To find those you need to step back to the 8-bit era. Todays games are most of the time, easy peasy play in your sleep games. There are exceptions though, like the fiendeshly difficult Devil May Cry series, allthough it fades compared to some of the old 8-bit games when it comes to difficulty. The old shooter called IO for the C64 had me breaking my controllers in anger as a kid :P That game is so damn hard its a lesson in frustration playing it. Another game on the old C64 called Cauldron or Cauldron 2 or something like that I never managed to finish cause it was so damn hard. You played a witch (a real one, with warts, hooknose and everything ) and wanted to collect ingredients for her spells. Another game I never managed to finish was Jumpman Jr, also on the C64. The secred ninjalevel beat my ass every time I tried it. When I think about it, alot of those 8-bit games kicked your ass so to choose a top difficult game amongst them is a little hard, but I say those games I mentioned above are good candidates, together with a few other, like another classic called Ghost n Goblins. You where mentally raped in that one
amen!
the op says "have beaten" so i guess the real hard ones arent getting listed. alot of games just had shitty jumping also.
E.T - for the Atari 2600 i still have this game and console.. and i still dont understand it
I'm not sure anybody was meant to actually BEAT the game lawl!
My personal swould be:
The first few Tojam and Earl games and Ikaruga. Ikaruga is ridiculously fun though, I'll tell you that much So I don't care how many times I don't finish.
I admit the OP by the way he asked his question kind of prejudiced peoples answers, but I find it sad how the posters here interpreted 'difficult' (by a margin of 13 to 1) to mean feats of hand/eye coordination, rather than difficult in the sense of an intellectual challenge. Maybe there really is no hope.
Most difficult? Managing every ship, every air squadron, and every troop unit actually involved in the Pacific theater in WWII in Gary Grigsby's 'War in the Pacific'. This sim was too much even for my tastes.
To find those you need to step back to the 8-bit era. Todays games are most of the time, easy peasy play in your sleep games. There are exceptions though, like the fiendeshly difficult Devil May Cry series, allthough it fades compared to some of the old 8-bit games when it comes to difficulty. The old shooter called IO for the C64 had me breaking my controllers in anger as a kid :P That game is so damn hard its a lesson in frustration playing it. Another game on the old C64 called Cauldron or Cauldron 2 or something like that I never managed to finish cause it was so damn hard. You played a witch (a real one, with warts, hooknose and everything ) and wanted to collect ingredients for her spells. Another game I never managed to finish was Jumpman Jr, also on the C64. The secred ninjalevel beat my ass every time I tried it. When I think about it, alot of those 8-bit games kicked your ass so to choose a top difficult game amongst them is a little hard, but I say those games I mentioned above are good candidates, together with a few other, like another classic called Ghost n Goblins. You where mentally raped in that one
amen!
the op says "have beaten" so i guess the real hard ones arent getting listed. alot of games just had shitty jumping also.
Aah sweet memories Cauldron 1 & 2 and Ghosts and Goblins on Amstrad CPC, they were too hard and unforgiving really but they made history (along with Sorcery + and Get Dexter).
[quote]Originally posted by Pynda well i mean you could probably google hardest game ever if THAT was all you wanted to know. condition of having actually beat it makes sense (though the concept of beating a game seems completely alien on a mmorpg web site).
some chess sims are a MOFO, ditto for some risk-like games, but it is generally assumed that for there to be a game you have to do something in it other than think (yea..hand eye yada-yada) or you would get answers like "this dump i took back in '93...now you want to talk about EPIC battles...!" (sorry for the scatalogical). i dont really see it as fun or challenging if the game doesnt merge thought AND reflexes personally. it is not enough to simply know that i must duck low to dodge the bullets and then jump in for the knock back swipe, i must also be responsive enough to time it so i dont get hit by anything AND i land in the right spot to hit the enemy.
love civ 4 also, and i only save when i take a break from it (not every 1/2 move sissies!). i am perpetually getting bored with "stand up" gaming and firing it up to try and push myself. but i see it as a different thing than actually getting pissed at the ai cheating in road rash (sizzle).
what this shows me though is kind of refreshing! some people who come here DO remember the c64 and the amiga! as opposed to my impressions that 99% of the people coming here played their first games on the playstation. hopefully it will also entice some people to get into retro gaming as opposed to constantly crying about when AION will come out (just an example, any upcoming mmorpg could be used in aions place). i for 1 am going to go play star control 2...because i never did finish it and it will break up the hellacious carnage i got going down in the wastelands (fallout 3) pretty nicely.
Although I am running the risk of being exposed as a FPS noob, but I found the last few levels in Far Cry pretty impossible to master without cheating (think I played on "normal"). It gets to the point very almost everything one-shots you...
From an intellectual point of view, I don't think I have ever come across a game that actually challenged me on that level and brought me to my limits. There was this one puzzle-solving game, can't remember the name, but that was quite fun and complicated at times.
It's a tie for me... X-COM UFO Defense X-COM Terror from the Deep It was hard because it required a lot of patience. On those old computers we used to play these games on, it was SOOOO slow; and it was just difficult besides that.
I was going to say Wizardry 6, but then saw your post and remembered X-COM {shudder}. This is the only game I have never finished because of difficulty. (I have quit quite a few out of boredom).
It's a toss up between the first Mega Man and Contra for the NES.
pft contra is easy mode with the all mighty 99 lives code of up, up ,down,down,left,right,left,right, A, B,A start..damn i can't believe i still remember that one..lol
shadowman was tough and the first soul reaver took me months to beat refused to use any walk through and it glitched like 3 times on me ai had to restart each time >.<
and Wolverine's revenge for ps 2 was horrible i got sick of it and never finished it
o and teh first resident evil and i mean the original verion with no targeting and had to basicly try and guess where you was shooting, those damn dogs sucked jumping all around
Hardest game i ever finished would be Super Ghouls and Ghosts. When you beat it the first time the princess your trying to save sends you back to the first level. The second time through you need to kill the boss with a bullshit weapon (the princess bracelet) to get to the final boss, and the entire trip back is more difficult. The final boss battle is joke compared to the rest of the game though.
Hard to say that any single player games are really hard nowadays, but when I was a kid Maniac Mansion was probably the most challenging due to the literal fear of being captured by the crazed scientist and his family while figuring out the combination of items that worked to further the story hehe.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" (Psalm 94:16)
Hands down it would have to be Shuttle by Virgin games. It was such a rigid simulation that you had to be an actual Space Shuttle pilot to have any chance at flying the damn thing. Every panel, switch, dial, gauge and control was accurately simulated. I gave up on it after recreating the Challenger accident about 97 times.
tie between jet set willy and attic attack both on the spectrum 48k...I have no idea how many times I died in both those games but it must have been in 6 figures,they both had that "I want to throw this game out the window...ok 1 more go" thing going for them.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
There are quite a bit of hard games out there. The most brutal I can think off right now are.
1- Gun Valkyrie
Mostly for the fact that you have to get good at chaining your boosts if you want to beat the last stages, and the boss is really hard since you can only damage it under certain conditions (forgot it though o_o; )
2- Metroid NES
You should know
3 - Ninja Gaiden NES
F*ing bird on the last stage keept (and still does most of the time) get me when I try to jump from one platform ot another.
4 - Contra
Konami code is your friend.
5 - Punchout
Still dont know why he has to fight giants. Still havent beaten it to date, will buy it for the Wii later though.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
To find those you need to step back to the 8-bit era. Todays games are most of the time, easy peasy play in your sleep games. There are exceptions though, like the fiendeshly difficult Devil May Cry series, allthough it fades compared to some of the old 8-bit games when it comes to difficulty. The old shooter called IO for the C64 had me breaking my controllers in anger as a kid :P That game is so damn hard its a lesson in frustration playing it. Another game on the old C64 called Cauldron or Cauldron 2 or something like that I never managed to finish cause it was so damn hard. You played a witch (a real one, with warts, hooknose and everything ) and wanted to collect ingredients for her spells. Another game I never managed to finish was Jumpman Jr, also on the C64. The secred ninjalevel beat my ass every time I tried it. When I think about it, alot of those 8-bit games kicked your ass so to choose a top difficult game amongst them is a little hard, but I say those games I mentioned above are good candidates, together with a few other, like another classic called Ghost n Goblins. You where mentally raped in that one
amen!
the op says "have beaten" so i guess the real hard ones arent getting listed. alot of games just had shitty jumping also.
Mike Tysons punch out was tough, I don't know anyone who beat Mike.
Is probably on YouTube now lol. Hmm... *goes to YouTube*
Mike Tyson's Punchout was actually pretty easy, though. The only real hard part was Mike Tyson, and that was only because you could afford NO mistakes when fighting him. And once you were out... you were out. One hit man, is all it took. But, to me, that's not necessarily hard... just cheap. You see cheap stuff in games all the time, like how in a lot of FPS's, guys can shoot at you with point blank accuract, but they're at sniper range, blaring a fully automatic BFG at you. Again... that's not "hard"... just cheap. But, I guess that's what makes it hard - beating the odds.
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i believe it is unbeatable! i was thinking of MANY games like this though, where there is no real end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_game
if anyone is putting games you can just load a save in they need to stop gaming, they make the rest of us look dumb. all those games back in the day where you had like 3 lives and 3 continues to beat the game in are the real deals. 'course emulators have save states, so i wonder how many people really beat em' legit (should have used THAT word).
i would be interested to see what games people choose from say 128 bit on (no denying alot of nes games were difficult) no cheats, infact if the game has cheats possible you look like a noob for even mentioning it.
i would still say ninja gaiden.
but second would be jetset radio future with ALL unlockables.
This says it all...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/445123
To find those you need to step back to the 8-bit era. Todays games are most of the time, easy peasy play in your sleep games. There are exceptions though, like the fiendeshly difficult Devil May Cry series, allthough it fades compared to some of the old 8-bit games when it comes to difficulty.
The old shooter called IO for the C64 had me breaking my controllers in anger as a kid :P That game is so damn hard its a lesson in frustration playing it. Another game on the old C64 called Cauldron or Cauldron 2 or something like that I never managed to finish cause it was so damn hard. You played a witch (a real one, with warts, hooknose and everything
) and wanted to collect ingredients for her spells. Another game I never managed to finish was Jumpman Jr, also on the C64. The secret ninjalevel beat my ass every time I tried it (mixing stuff up here. That ninjalevel was in a remake years after..oh well)
When I think about it, alot of those 8-bit games kicked your ass, so to choose a top difficult game amongst them is a little hard, but I say those games I mentioned above are good candidates, together with a few other, like another classic called Ghost n Goblins. You where mentally raped in that one
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amen!
the op says "have beaten" so i guess the real hard ones arent getting listed. alot of games just had shitty jumping also.
I'm not sure anybody was meant to actually BEAT the game lawl!
My personal swould be:
The first few Tojam and Earl games and Ikaruga. Ikaruga is ridiculously fun though, I'll tell you that much
So I don't care how many times I don't finish.
I admit the OP by the way he asked his question kind of prejudiced peoples answers, but I find it sad how the posters here interpreted 'difficult' (by a margin of 13 to 1) to mean feats of hand/eye coordination, rather than difficult in the sense of an intellectual challenge. Maybe there really is no hope.
Most difficult? Managing every ship, every air squadron, and every troop unit actually involved in the Pacific theater in WWII in Gary Grigsby's 'War in the Pacific'. This sim was too much even for my tastes.
PC Game: 1993
The original, X-Wing...... (Not TIE Fighter, not XvT, not XwA... those were not hard).
and its expansions
"B-Wing" and "Imperial Pursuit."
hardest PC games I ever played, and entirely worth it. REAL Star Wars, which is a long forgotten concept from LucasArts now.
amen!
the op says "have beaten" so i guess the real hard ones arent getting listed. alot of games just had shitty jumping also.
Aah sweet memories Cauldron 1 & 2 and Ghosts and Goblins on Amstrad CPC, they were too hard and unforgiving really but they made history (along with Sorcery + and Get Dexter).
A guy has reprogrammed Cauldron 1 for PC: http://cpc.devilmarkus.de/include.php?path=content/content.php&contentid=108
[quote]Originally posted by Pynda
well i mean you could probably google hardest game ever if THAT was all you wanted to know. condition of having actually beat it makes sense (though the concept of beating a game seems completely alien on a mmorpg web site).
some chess sims are a MOFO, ditto for some risk-like games, but it is generally assumed that for there to be a game you have to do something in it other than think (yea..hand eye yada-yada) or you would get answers like "this dump i took back in '93...now you want to talk about EPIC battles...!" (sorry for the scatalogical). i dont really see it as fun or challenging if the game doesnt merge thought AND reflexes personally. it is not enough to simply know that i must duck low to dodge the bullets and then jump in for the knock back swipe, i must also be responsive enough to time it so i dont get hit by anything AND i land in the right spot to hit the enemy.
love civ 4 also, and i only save when i take a break from it (not every 1/2 move sissies!). i am perpetually getting bored with "stand up" gaming and firing it up to try and push myself. but i see it as a different thing than actually getting pissed at the ai cheating in road rash (sizzle).
what this shows me though is kind of refreshing! some people who come here DO remember the c64 and the amiga! as opposed to my impressions that 99% of the people coming here played their first games on the playstation. hopefully it will also entice some people to get into retro gaming as opposed to constantly crying about when AION will come out (just an example, any upcoming mmorpg could be used in aions place). i for 1 am going to go play star control 2...because i never did finish it and it will break up the hellacious carnage i got going down in the wastelands (fallout 3) pretty nicely.
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Jungle Trouble, Spectrum 48k. Seriously.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Although I am running the risk of being exposed as a FPS noob, but I found the last few levels in Far Cry pretty impossible to master without cheating (think I played on "normal"). It gets to the point very almost everything one-shots you...
From an intellectual point of view, I don't think I have ever come across a game that actually challenged me on that level and brought me to my limits. There was this one puzzle-solving game, can't remember the name, but that was quite fun and complicated at times.
I was going to say Wizardry 6, but then saw your post and remembered X-COM {shudder}. This is the only game I have never finished because of difficulty. (I have quit quite a few out of boredom).
pft contra is easy mode with the all mighty 99 lives code of up, up ,down,down,left,right,left,right, A, B,A start..damn i can't believe i still remember that one..lol
shadowman was tough and the first soul reaver took me months to beat refused to use any walk through and it glitched like 3 times on me ai had to restart each time >.<
and Wolverine's revenge for ps 2 was horrible i got sick of it and never finished it
o and teh first resident evil and i mean the original verion with no targeting and had to basicly try and guess where you was shooting, those damn dogs sucked jumping all around
Hardest game i ever finished would be Super Ghouls and Ghosts. When you beat it the first time the princess your trying to save sends you back to the first level. The second time through you need to kill the boss with a bullshit weapon (the princess bracelet) to get to the final boss, and the entire trip back is more difficult. The final boss battle is joke compared to the rest of the game though.
Hard to say that any single player games are really hard nowadays, but when I was a kid Maniac Mansion was probably the most challenging due to the literal fear of being captured by the crazed scientist and his family while figuring out the combination of items that worked to further the story hehe.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
(Psalm 94:16)
Astrosmash on the old Intellevision system.
... man is my age ever showing now!
Guitar Hero II and Guitar Hero III ... both get very tough about 1/2 way through expert... I am stuck there now on both.
Hands down it would have to be Shuttle by Virgin games. It was such a rigid simulation that you had to be an actual Space Shuttle pilot to have any chance at flying the damn thing. Every panel, switch, dial, gauge and control was accurately simulated. I gave up on it after recreating the Challenger accident about 97 times.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
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beat();
}
tie between jet set willy and attic attack both on the spectrum 48k...I have no idea how many times I died in both those games but it must have been in 6 figures,they both had that "I want to throw this game out the window...ok 1 more go" thing going for them.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
There are quite a bit of hard games out there. The most brutal I can think off right now are.
1- Gun Valkyrie
Mostly for the fact that you have to get good at chaining your boosts if you want to beat the last stages, and the boss is really hard since you can only damage it under certain conditions (forgot it though o_o; )
2- Metroid NES
You should know
3 - Ninja Gaiden NES
F*ing bird on the last stage keept (and still does most of the time) get me when I try to jump from one platform ot another.
4 - Contra
Konami code is your friend.
5 - Punchout
Still dont know why he has to fight giants. Still havent beaten it to date, will buy it for the Wii later though.
Mike Tysons punch out was tough, I don't know anyone who beat Mike.
Is probably on YouTube now lol. Hmm... *goes to YouTube*
Unlimited Saga
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
amen!
the op says "have beaten" so i guess the real hard ones arent getting listed. alot of games just had shitty jumping also.
Battletoads....
Is probably on YouTube now lol. Hmm... *goes to YouTube*
Mike Tyson's Punchout was actually pretty easy, though. The only real hard part was Mike Tyson, and that was only because you could afford NO mistakes when fighting him. And once you were out... you were out. One hit man, is all it took. But, to me, that's not necessarily hard... just cheap. You see cheap stuff in games all the time, like how in a lot of FPS's, guys can shoot at you with point blank accuract, but they're at sniper range, blaring a fully automatic BFG at you. Again... that's not "hard"... just cheap. But, I guess that's what makes it hard - beating the odds.