agreed, but people are over reacting...if they reactivated a cancelled account and didn't send you an email, THEN i would be pissed. but i don't see a reason why people are over reacting over something which they gave ample warning to its subscribers
Because there is a chance a friend may see it and warn them. Look this thread and the other 1 does not hurt anyone but may help someone. Why dont we leave it at that?
Because 99% of the people who come to this site want to argue and flame -- they have no intention of actual civil discussion.
A gaming company could drop a nuke on most of these gamers homes and the gamers would still find a way to subscribe to that developer's MMO, and defend them on message boards worldwide. It's Stockholm Syndrome on the internet.
agreed, but people are over reacting...if they reactivated a cancelled account and didn't send you an email, THEN i would be pissed. but i don't see a reason why people are over reacting over something which they gave ample warning to its subscribers
Ample warning?
I hate hate to bring it up again but when you are told you dont have to cancel and then they auto add you 3 DAYS before your contract ends is not giving alot of players good notice.
You are thinking that all players check there accounts everyday,or indeed every week..the truth is I think there will be quite a few players that miss this and have to pay another sub...so the question is this..is this fair to them?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
i check my email more times than i check any other forum in a given day....and they mailed out an email warning...so yeah, they did give ample warning.
How many of you dont check your email at least once a day?
i check my email more times than i check any other forum in a given day....and they mailed out an email warning...so yeah, they did give ample warning.
How many of you dont check your email at least once a day?
When I am out of town for work,when I go away with my wife,when I just have something better to do than check my e-mail for 3 days.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
agreed, but people are over reacting...if they reactivated a cancelled account and didn't send you an email, THEN i would be pissed. but i don't see a reason why people are over reacting over something which they gave ample warning to its subscribers
Ample warning?
I hate hate to bring it up again but when you are told you dont have to cancel and then they auto add you 3 DAYS before your contract ends is not giving alot of players good notice.
You are thinking that all players check there accounts everyday,or indeed every week..the truth is I think there will be quite a few players that miss this and have to pay another sub...so the question is this..is this fair to them?
I would agree with you, that it was not fair to do this 3 days (4days actually, if you sub'd the day the game was released, but that's just nitpicking ) before the sub runs out, IF they did NOT send an e-mail warning the people that had chosen that option that it was about to change.
But they did. It seems everyone that had chosen this option got an e-mail notifying them that this option was no longer available and was being changed. So yeah, I have to agree that people have been given ample warning.
agreed, but people are over reacting...if they reactivated a cancelled account and didn't send you an email, THEN i would be pissed. but i don't see a reason why people are over reacting over something which they gave ample warning to its subscribers
Ample warning?
I hate hate to bring it up again but when you are told you dont have to cancel and then they auto add you 3 DAYS before your contract ends is not giving alot of players good notice.
You are thinking that all players check there accounts everyday,or indeed every week..the truth is I think there will be quite a few players that miss this and have to pay another sub...so the question is this..is this fair to them?
I would agree with you, that it was not fair to do this 3 days (4days actually, if you sub'd the day the game was released, but that's just nitpicking ) before the sub runs out, IF they did NOT send an e-mail warning the people that had chosen that option that it was about to change.
But they did. It seems everyone that had chosen this option got an e-mail notifying them that this option was no longer available and was being changed. So yeah, I have to agree that people have been given ample warning.
Ok thats fine,well at least for you,what about players that are not at home and didnt have the chance to cancel now that they have changed the rule?
You guys seem to be missing the point,it was said in the options when we selected the payment options that we could select auto renew or not,some of us selected not.
Now we are getting this thrown upon us and you guys seem to say this is ok,why give us the option to start with then?
Is maybe ok with you guys that are always home or indeed want to play the game,what about the guys that dont fit your lifestyle?
Or maybe you just dont care as long as you are ok.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email. I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing. The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.
However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
ok so i also dont understand the problem.... all MMO's with subscriptions keep charging till you cancel... if dont want it to charge then cancel the account after ya make your payment... people have been doing this for years...... maybe somethign was going screwy in thier system that was making the option they give you not work and charge you anyway so they disabled it? either way least they warned you... not really underhanded if they give ya a warning.
Nitpicking. Industry standard. Just end you subscription a few days before the month ends if it bothers you that much or go buy timecards with a preset amount of subscription time.
Hehe, actually I think your lifes are too good when you manage to complain about such a minor issue which in itself hardly is an issue at all. Every bloody subsciption you take, be it television, rent, power, telephones, magazines etc got this setup. You need some real problems I think
Edit: To the poster below me, what are you talking about? You get your standard free month when you buy Warhammer. I think you misunderstood something, somewhere.
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Actually the reason why I did not only post the information is because I LOVED the chance to have a MANUAL change to subscribe to the game. And to have a SPECIAL button for it was my guaranty that this was not to be automatic subed. One month ago I could have posted here and added this to be one of the pro part of this game. Now Mythic screws ppl over and call it valid or whatever by sending an email warning to notify ppl... But I ACTUALLY thought that the other option was GREAT. Now they have not just removed it. But also reverted all those that thought they would NOT be paying for the next month....
Im sorry but I consider good games to be able to make money without finding ways to cheat ppl out of their money. If I want to sub a game that I have PREVIOUSLY desided to pay only 1 month for and CLICKED an option on the account webpage DIRECTLY stating that I DONT want to be automaticly charged... then I expect that company to honor that.
We had an option and we chose to only play for 1 month and not the auto renew.
I went to cancel my account and got a message saying "you dont have to cancel as you dont have an auto renew account so your account will end at the end of this sub"
Then today they released a new thing were they will automatically will renew all subs unless you cancel them again.
Now does that seem fair?
I know it is ok for you guys but what about the guys that are out of town?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
PS: Actually, I take that back. You have the option for one month subscription non-recuring. It called pre-paid card. So, go buy a pre-paid card and you are set. What are you complaining about?
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
Im sorry but...Warhammer had an option on the 18th of october to pay for ONE MONTH ONLY and then you could click an option that made SURE (or so I thought) that you would NOT be automaticly charged for next month.
Now - I would not be making any fuss about this if not for the fact that is stated clearly I would NOT be charged automaticly in the future.
And like daylight said. If you at SOME point in the last month (18th of oct to yesterday) desided to chancel your sub then you did not have to (or were not able to) cause you had ALREADY said you would not liked to be charged automaticly...
Now they changed that. Im sorry but I dont care if ppl get sent 10000 emails. This is NOT how to do things - no matter what other games or sex websites or whatever is doing. This is a cheap trick to steal money of ppl instead of beeing honest and actually honor the custimors.
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email. I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing. The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here. A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime? Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub. Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
I can only assume that either you misread or misunderstood what I wrote. Either way, I am correct in my facts whether you wish to believe me or not. In the future I suggest that you get your own facts straight before you call BS on what other players post. It will make you look less foolish, I promise
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.
Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.
Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.
Honest I give up...there is no telling some people.
Taxi for sinhealer!
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works. However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.
Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.
Im also serious when I say that there was an option to make SURE that you did NOT get Automaticly charged...
I dont give a FLYING fuck what WOW or other games are doing. I expect them to charge automatic if not stated otherwise. But i DO expect a game that GIVES the option to ONLY pay for one month and NOT get automaticly charged to honor that. You can go on and on about what other games are doing but that does NOT change the fact that Mythic has now changed the subscription option for ppl that THOUGHT that they would not be charged automaticly. They even clicked an OPTION that made sure they would NOT be charged automaticly on their account..
Yes, we ALL understand what you have been saying, over and over again. However, you are NOT understanding what we have all been saying.
YES, you chose the option that will ONLY charge your credit card for 1 month which would then auto-cancel your account.
Mythic, as well as ALL the other gaming companies which charge a monthly subscription fee to play their MMOs are entitled to change any and all of their billing practices provided they give the proper notice prior implementing the new changes.
You have stated that they did indeed send you an email. You have stated that you have received the email. You have stated that you have read the email. You have even stated that you understand what the email said.
Is it just that you are lazy and that you dont want to log into your account and cancel your account manually instead of it being cancelled automatically?
Honestly, I dont think you will be getting much sympathy from these forums for being lazy.
Originally posted by Frobner Im also serious when I say that there was an option to make SURE that you did NOT get Automaticly charged...
I dont give a FLYING fuck what WOW or other games are doing. I expect them to charge automatic if not stated otherwise. But i DO expect a game that GIVES the option to ONLY pay for one month and NOT get automaticly charged to honor that. You can go on and on about what other games are doing but that does NOT change the fact that Mythic has now changed the subscription option for ppl that THOUGHT that they would not be charged automaticly. They even clicked an OPTION that made sure they would NOT be charged automaticly on their account.. Get it ?
My comment was not direct at you, dude. Chill. Like I said, that option is rare and it's not a standard way for subscription. It was nice that Mythic gave that option.
Now, it's not like they signed a contract with you saying they cannot change their system ever. They somehow decided that they will not give that option anymore, so? every other MMO out there don't have that option either, what's the big deal?
The only problem in the case is the grace period they gave. I understand that they should give a longer grace period to give people enough time to change the payment option, but they DID send out a warning.
If you did not catch it in time, it's not like you don't have any other way to resolve the issue. Just call your credit card company and ask for a charge back. Given the reason for the charge back is understandable like in this case, I don't think you have any problem.
The diffrence is that when you bought your last montly sub there was an option to buy it WITHOUT Automaticly subing every month. There was a SPECIAL button for that and those that think they will not be charged because of that WILL be charged now. That is in my opinion a VERY low blow from Mythic.
If you're retarded enough to read the email and not do anything about it then you might need to be removed from the billing cycle of life.
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agreed, but people are over reacting...if they reactivated a cancelled account and didn't send you an email, THEN i would be pissed. but i don't see a reason why people are over reacting over something which they gave ample warning to its subscribers
Because 99% of the people who come to this site want to argue and flame -- they have no intention of actual civil discussion.
A gaming company could drop a nuke on most of these gamers homes and the gamers would still find a way to subscribe to that developer's MMO, and defend them on message boards worldwide. It's Stockholm Syndrome on the internet.
Tecmo Bowl.
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Ample warning?
I hate hate to bring it up again but when you are told you dont have to cancel and then they auto add you 3 DAYS before your contract ends is not giving alot of players good notice.
You are thinking that all players check there accounts everyday,or indeed every week..the truth is I think there will be quite a few players that miss this and have to pay another sub...so the question is this..is this fair to them?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
i check my email more times than i check any other forum in a given day....and they mailed out an email warning...so yeah, they did give ample warning.
How many of you dont check your email at least once a day?
When I am out of town for work,when I go away with my wife,when I just have something better to do than check my e-mail for 3 days.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Ample warning?
I hate hate to bring it up again but when you are told you dont have to cancel and then they auto add you 3 DAYS before your contract ends is not giving alot of players good notice.
You are thinking that all players check there accounts everyday,or indeed every week..the truth is I think there will be quite a few players that miss this and have to pay another sub...so the question is this..is this fair to them?
I would agree with you, that it was not fair to do this 3 days (4days actually, if you sub'd the day the game was released, but that's just nitpicking
) before the sub runs out, IF they did NOT send an e-mail warning the people that had chosen that option that it was about to change.
But they did. It seems everyone that had chosen this option got an e-mail notifying them that this option was no longer available and was being changed. So yeah, I have to agree that people have been given ample warning.
Ample warning?
I hate hate to bring it up again but when you are told you dont have to cancel and then they auto add you 3 DAYS before your contract ends is not giving alot of players good notice.
You are thinking that all players check there accounts everyday,or indeed every week..the truth is I think there will be quite a few players that miss this and have to pay another sub...so the question is this..is this fair to them?
I would agree with you, that it was not fair to do this 3 days (4days actually, if you sub'd the day the game was released, but that's just nitpicking
) before the sub runs out, IF they did NOT send an e-mail warning the people that had chosen that option that it was about to change.
But they did. It seems everyone that had chosen this option got an e-mail notifying them that this option was no longer available and was being changed. So yeah, I have to agree that people have been given ample warning.
Ok thats fine,well at least for you,what about players that are not at home and didnt have the chance to cancel now that they have changed the rule?
You guys seem to be missing the point,it was said in the options when we selected the payment options that we could select auto renew or not,some of us selected not.
Now we are getting this thrown upon us and you guys seem to say this is ok,why give us the option to start with then?
Is maybe ok with you guys that are always home or indeed want to play the game,what about the guys that dont fit your lifestyle?
Or maybe you just dont care as long as you are ok.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.
However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.
ok so i also dont understand the problem.... all MMO's with subscriptions keep charging till you cancel... if dont want it to charge then cancel the account after ya make your payment... people have been doing this for years...... maybe somethign was going screwy in thier system that was making the option they give you not work and charge you anyway so they disabled it? either way least they warned you... not really underhanded if they give ya a warning.
Nitpicking. Industry standard. Just end you subscription a few days before the month ends if it bothers you that much or go buy timecards with a preset amount of subscription time.
Hehe, actually I think your lifes are too good when you manage to complain about such a minor issue which in itself hardly is an issue at all. Every bloody subsciption you take, be it television, rent, power, telephones, magazines etc got this setup. You need some real problems I think
Edit: To the poster below me, what are you talking about? You get your standard free month when you buy Warhammer. I think you misunderstood something, somewhere.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Actually the reason why I did not only post the information is because I LOVED the chance to have a MANUAL change to subscribe to the game. And to have a SPECIAL button for it was my guaranty that this was not to be automatic subed. One month ago I could have posted here and added this to be one of the pro part of this game. Now Mythic screws ppl over and call it valid or whatever by sending an email warning to notify ppl... But I ACTUALLY thought that the other option was GREAT. Now they have not just removed it. But also reverted all those that thought they would NOT be paying for the next month....
Im sorry but I consider good games to be able to make money without finding ways to cheat ppl out of their money. If I want to sub a game that I have PREVIOUSLY desided to pay only 1 month for and CLICKED an option on the account webpage DIRECTLY stating that I DONT want to be automaticly charged... then I expect that company to honor that.
Is it so hard to understand?
We had an option and we chose to only play for 1 month and not the auto renew.
I went to cancel my account and got a message saying "you dont have to cancel as you dont have an auto renew account so your account will end at the end of this sub"
Then today they released a new thing were they will automatically will renew all subs unless you cancel them again.
Now does that seem fair?
I know it is ok for you guys but what about the guys that are out of town?
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
PS: Actually, I take that back. You have the option for one month subscription non-recuring. It called pre-paid card. So, go buy a pre-paid card and you are set. What are you complaining about?
ok in that sense i do agree..... they should give a couple months notice that its gonna happen, to cover if somebody is away or what not.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
Im sorry but...Warhammer had an option on the 18th of october to pay for ONE MONTH ONLY and then you could click an option that made SURE (or so I thought) that you would NOT be automaticly charged for next month.
Now - I would not be making any fuss about this if not for the fact that is stated clearly I would NOT be charged automaticly in the future.
And like daylight said. If you at SOME point in the last month (18th of oct to yesterday) desided to chancel your sub then you did not have to (or were not able to) cause you had ALREADY said you would not liked to be charged automaticly...
Now they changed that. Im sorry but I dont care if ppl get sent 10000 emails. This is NOT how to do things - no matter what other games or sex websites or whatever is doing. This is a cheap trick to steal money of ppl instead of beeing honest and actually honor the custimors.
I can only assume that either you misread or misunderstood what I wrote.
Either way, I am correct in my facts whether you wish to believe me or not.
In the future I suggest that you get your own facts straight before you call BS on what other players post. It will make you look less foolish, I promise
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.
Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.
Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.
Honest I give up...there is no telling some people.
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If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.
You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.
I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.
Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.
Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.
You are kidding me right?
Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.
Do some homework then ask again.1
Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....
Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.
Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.
Im also serious when I say that there was an option to make SURE that you did NOT get Automaticly charged...
I dont give a FLYING fuck what WOW or other games are doing. I expect them to charge automatic if not stated otherwise. But i DO expect a game that GIVES the option to ONLY pay for one month and NOT get automaticly charged to honor that. You can go on and on about what other games are doing but that does NOT change the fact that Mythic has now changed the subscription option for ppl that THOUGHT that they would not be charged automaticly. They even clicked an OPTION that made sure they would NOT be charged automaticly on their account..
Get it ?
Yes, we ALL understand what you have been saying, over and over again. However, you are NOT understanding what we have all been saying.
YES, you chose the option that will ONLY charge your credit card for 1 month which would then auto-cancel your account.
Mythic, as well as ALL the other gaming companies which charge a monthly subscription fee to play their MMOs are entitled to change any and all of their billing practices provided they give the proper notice prior implementing the new changes.
You have stated that they did indeed send you an email.
You have stated that you have received the email.
You have stated that you have read the email.
You have even stated that you understand what the email said.
Is it just that you are lazy and that you dont want to log into your account and cancel your account manually instead of it being cancelled automatically?
Honestly, I dont think you will be getting much sympathy from these forums for being lazy.
My comment was not direct at you, dude. Chill. Like I said, that option is rare and it's not a standard way for subscription. It was nice that Mythic gave that option.
Now, it's not like they signed a contract with you saying they cannot change their system ever. They somehow decided that they will not give that option anymore, so? every other MMO out there don't have that option either, what's the big deal?
The only problem in the case is the grace period they gave. I understand that they should give a longer grace period to give people enough time to change the payment option, but they DID send out a warning.
If you did not catch it in time, it's not like you don't have any other way to resolve the issue. Just call your credit card company and ask for a charge back. Given the reason for the charge back is understandable like in this case, I don't think you have any problem.
If you're retarded enough to read the email and not do anything about it then you might need to be removed from the billing cycle of life.
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