Soe employees are too busy playing wow and thats why their company is in the shitter. if they were a smart ambitious company they would re-release a more polished version of vanguard, but no they are into fast food gaming like every other games developer.
While I agree that re-releasing the game would be great I don't know if it would really help the amount of people playing it or not. SOE has such a bad stigma about them now, most people won't even try it due to their involvement.
Yeah and that's so weird. I was an active player during the buyout/merger. I firmly believe it's the "I just want to hate someone" complex.
Funny, SOE prevents the game from getting taken offline and everyone crucifies them. SOE has saved a few games from being shut down now, and every time, people have damned them over it. I hope they don't save another one.
No one wants to put the blame where it needs to be, because that would be raggin' on the underdog. Brad McQuaid and Sigil Games.
While I agree that re-releasing the game would be great I don't know if it would really help the amount of people playing it or not. SOE has such a bad stigma about them now, most people won't even try it due to their involvement.
Yeah and that's so weird. I was an active player during the buyout/merger. I firmly believe it's the "I just want to hate someone" complex.
Funny, SOE prevents the game from getting taken offline and everyone crucifies them. SOE has saved a few games from being shut down now, and every time, people have damned them over it. I hope they don't save another one.
No one wants to put the blame where it needs to be, because that would be raggin' on the underdog. Brad McQuaid and Sigil Games.
Saved is not the term I would use for the SOE/Vanguard deal. I won't go into why I think SOE saved anything [let alone be thankful], but Vanguard launching in the condition it was did more damage to the market than any good it did by being "saved".
As for a re-release I really don't know what it would accomplish at this point. The game sold decent during a time where there was a giant void in games and people were starving for a MMO. The situation isn't really the same right now. There are plenty of new expansions for existing games and several new troubled games that people can pick up that still might have a future.
Even if they were to put new boxes in storefronts and a media blitz, there would need to be some compelling reason for people to try the game again. Honestly the last 2 years have not been very newsworthy for VG. Outside of fixing some of the performance issues, Vanguard is essentially the same game it was at release. The reality is this is a game with little to no future. "Sold as is" is the best way I can describe it.
The sad part is this is the best game that SOE offers. It could have been really great if they really wanted to save it, but a healthy Vanguard was never in the best interest of SOE from day 1, because it competes to closely to EQ/EQ2 market.
The real questions is if Sony's money were your money, would YOU re-release this game?
I, for one, would ship-can this title and put some money down on the design of Everquest 3 as a free-range game (with darn few quests).
A free-range EQ3 would bring tears to the eyes of MMO vets and be something new for the tiring WOW crowd that's about ready to kick aside their training wheels and try an MMO with real challenge.
The real questions is if Sony's money were your money, would YOU re-release this game? I, for one, would ship-can this title and put some money down on the design of Everquest 3 as a free-range game (with darn few quests). A free-range EQ3 would bring tears to the eyes of MMO vets and be something new for the tiring WOW crowd that's about ready to kick aside their training wheels and try an MMO with real challenge.
Id Preferr if they just made Vanguard into a Freerange game... Its 80% there... all you would need to do is fill in the blankspots and remove the buggy Quests and Boom your there..
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
The real questions is if Sony's money were your money, would YOU re-release this game? I, for one, would ship-can this title and put some money down on the design of Everquest 3 as a free-range game (with darn few quests). A free-range EQ3 would bring tears to the eyes of MMO vets and be something new for the tiring WOW crowd that's about ready to kick aside their training wheels and try an MMO with real challenge.
If I was SOE, the very first thing I would do is can Smed. I would have shut it down for a year for more development, dropped anything to do with Free Realms, The Agency, or whatever other "B+" MMO in the works and used the resources to make VG flawless. The groundwork was all already there. This should have been a flagship AAA game.
The real questions is if Sony's money were your money, would YOU re-release this game? I, for one, would ship-can this title and put some money down on the design of Everquest 3 as a free-range game (with darn few quests). A free-range EQ3 would bring tears to the eyes of MMO vets and be something new for the tiring WOW crowd that's about ready to kick aside their training wheels and try an MMO with real challenge.
If I was SOE, the very first thing I would do is can Smed. I would have shut it down for a year for more development, dropped anything to do with Free Realms, The Agency, or whatever other "B+" MMO in the works and used the resources to make VG flawless. The groundwork was all already there. This should have been a flagship AAA game.
I hear you. But another thing I would have changed about Vanguard is the music. I cannot put my finger on it, but I just cannot remember any of the Vanguard tunes; they have no cohesion to me, they just didn't jell.
EQ, DAOC, and many other games had excellent and memorable music, but not Vanguard; their tunes play like a bunch of instruments randomly chiming in some musical sub-routine. Just my opinion.
And the zones in the world itself were not distinctive enough; they had no identity really. Any patch of grass and trees was like any other. For example, there was no "this is Qeynos Hills" vs "this is West Karanas" like in EQ; Vanguard's zones had no character or distinction between them.
Still, I think Everquest is their strongest IP, and word of an EQ3 would garner very strong attention.
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This game doesn't need a re-release.
It needs an enema, starting with the management.
Soe employees are too busy playing wow and thats why their company is in the shitter. if they were a smart ambitious company they would re-release a more polished version of vanguard, but no they are into fast food gaming like every other games developer.
Yeah and that's so weird. I was an active player during the buyout/merger. I firmly believe it's the "I just want to hate someone" complex.
Funny, SOE prevents the game from getting taken offline and everyone crucifies them. SOE has saved a few games from being shut down now, and every time, people have damned them over it. I hope they don't save another one.
No one wants to put the blame where it needs to be, because that would be raggin' on the underdog. Brad McQuaid and Sigil Games.
Yeah and that's so weird. I was an active player during the buyout/merger. I firmly believe it's the "I just want to hate someone" complex.
Funny, SOE prevents the game from getting taken offline and everyone crucifies them. SOE has saved a few games from being shut down now, and every time, people have damned them over it. I hope they don't save another one.
No one wants to put the blame where it needs to be, because that would be raggin' on the underdog. Brad McQuaid and Sigil Games.
Saved is not the term I would use for the SOE/Vanguard deal. I won't go into why I think SOE saved anything [let alone be thankful], but Vanguard launching in the condition it was did more damage to the market than any good it did by being "saved".
As for a re-release I really don't know what it would accomplish at this point. The game sold decent during a time where there was a giant void in games and people were starving for a MMO. The situation isn't really the same right now. There are plenty of new expansions for existing games and several new troubled games that people can pick up that still might have a future.
Even if they were to put new boxes in storefronts and a media blitz, there would need to be some compelling reason for people to try the game again. Honestly the last 2 years have not been very newsworthy for VG. Outside of fixing some of the performance issues, Vanguard is essentially the same game it was at release. The reality is this is a game with little to no future. "Sold as is" is the best way I can describe it.
The sad part is this is the best game that SOE offers. It could have been really great if they really wanted to save it, but a healthy Vanguard was never in the best interest of SOE from day 1, because it competes to closely to EQ/EQ2 market.
Keep an eye out for WAR and AoC to be added to the station access in the near future.
The real questions is if Sony's money were your money, would YOU re-release this game?
I, for one, would ship-can this title and put some money down on the design of Everquest 3 as a free-range game (with darn few quests).
A free-range EQ3 would bring tears to the eyes of MMO vets and be something new for the tiring WOW crowd that's about ready to kick aside their training wheels and try an MMO with real challenge.
Id Preferr if they just made Vanguard into a Freerange game... Its 80% there... all you would need to do is fill in the blankspots and remove the buggy Quests and Boom your there..
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
If I was SOE, the very first thing I would do is can Smed. I would have shut it down for a year for more development, dropped anything to do with Free Realms, The Agency, or whatever other "B+" MMO in the works and used the resources to make VG flawless. The groundwork was all already there. This should have been a flagship AAA game.
If I was SOE, the very first thing I would do is can Smed. I would have shut it down for a year for more development, dropped anything to do with Free Realms, The Agency, or whatever other "B+" MMO in the works and used the resources to make VG flawless. The groundwork was all already there. This should have been a flagship AAA game.
I hear you. But another thing I would have changed about Vanguard is the music. I cannot put my finger on it, but I just cannot remember any of the Vanguard tunes; they have no cohesion to me, they just didn't jell.
EQ, DAOC, and many other games had excellent and memorable music, but not Vanguard; their tunes play like a bunch of instruments randomly chiming in some musical sub-routine. Just my opinion.
And the zones in the world itself were not distinctive enough; they had no identity really. Any patch of grass and trees was like any other. For example, there was no "this is Qeynos Hills" vs "this is West Karanas" like in EQ; Vanguard's zones had no character or distinction between them.
Still, I think Everquest is their strongest IP, and word of an EQ3 would garner very strong attention.