Seems like the "onscreen" graphics of Darkfall kicks Lotro and AoC out of the way. Theres alot of difference btw superpolished videos to hype your game and overpolished screenshots compared to the real thing, the onscreen experience. Seems Darkfall comes out as a winner there.
You'll have to forgive some of us if we decide to wait and see for ourselves before we sign over our first-born. Is that o.k. with you?
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Why? We hear on a daily basis from DF fans that have not played that..
DF is gonna be the bestest game ever!
DF has more feature then any other MMO out. It'll be more sandboxy then SWG ever was and the PvP will tollay rock!
DF graphics are way better then AoC's or LoTRO's
etc etc etc
So why is it exactly that its ok for Fans to spout totally unproven crap Hyping the game to totally unrealiastic expectations without playing, but you warn any doubter here that they better not say anything negative till they have played the game?
Rabid fanbois / vaporwarez trolls = just 2 sides of the same coin
I'd argue the common sense side doesn't believe this hype, even you said you don't believe the graphics are better then AoC . I have personally lost any respect for the Italian reporters or anyone that buys the "DF with have 100vs100 battles with graphics better then AoC's. It just isn't gonna happen on current computers, maybe in 5-10 years. Sadly in the meantime please keep hyping the BS. It will do DF much more harm then good in 6 weeks when the game goes live. (And if the game is not gonna be able to go live in 6 weeks then you know Tasos would know by now, and be able to tell us if he was honest.)
And just as we predicted before new of this italian site review came out...
trolls asked for some media to go in and play beta and confirm it etc...they said thats all they want etc...
We said that even if that were to happen, trolls would just call it fake and or say X media is bs.
Well we certainly see that happening today. The only thing that will ever satisfy trolls is if there is an announcement that the game is canceled or some site goes in there on a visit and bashes the hell out of the game.
They refuse to believe that DF can be good or even great and that they may have been wronged and made a poor choice hoping on the cool kid vaporwareeeez bandwagon.
You know whats funny even you have said in this thread you don't believe DF's graphics are better then AOC's thus you in fact do not believe the italians words either, yet you resort to calling me a troll because I don't believe them. Sorry Eggy i have lost all respect for you now. You really are nothing more then a Rabid fanbois with no logical arguements other then insults that anyone with doubts is a troll. I never said DF wouldn't be good i just called the BS that the italians are saying that its graphics are better then AoC's.
Further typing a debat on the internet doesn't make one cool, sorry if you feel that way perhaps thats why DF must be a success for you, as if its anything less then the greatest game ever with graphics in 100 vs 100 battles far superior then AoC's then you'd feel somehow less cool. (having made the wrong choice and jumped on the cool kid DF is the greatest game ever bandwagon)
Oh by the way using your own standards since you don't agree with the italian beta testers saying DF's graphics are better then AoC's then i guess your a troll too welcome aboad!
You'll have to forgive some of us if we decide to wait and see for ourselves before we sign over our first-born. Is that o.k. with you?
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Yup, I'm on board with that. Unless of course you'd like to point where I've ever said any of that? Remember there are quite a few of us on this board that are firmly planted in the middle. Not over-board hype machines for Tasos and company... nor Trolls that like to spew out hate at every opportunity.
Like it or not... most people that visit the DarkFall boards are not going to believe every single word that Aventurine and Tasos say. That doesn't automatically place us in the Troll camp either. We will wait and eventually decide for ourselves. Hopefully the OPEN Beta will be soon.
Eggs just making up crap now, he even just accused me of having called DF vaporware, even though I have my doubts about its release and believe the current "DF graphics > then AoC's" to be BS I have never even said i thought DF would be bad or that it was vaporware (more words he's trying to stuff into my mouth.)
Eggs gone totally overboard now and anyone with any doubts to him is just a troll. Which ironically since he doesn't agree with the italian beta testers asessment of DF's graphics being better then AOC's would include him.
Even if some one has played it they can't tell you that they have. Again. Don't even bother trying to say that it looks better than AoC or Lotro because you'll be dissapointed. Again. It looks great but not better.
Now, the screenshots of AoC and LOTRO are in the highest settings.
The screenshots of DFO are from the beta, and on ''default'' settings. So lets say if you have low - medium - high settings these are on medium, MEDIUM! And still the art style is nicer. ( imo )
We might even have a ''ultra high'' setting but I doubt it.
The world of DFO is probably bigger then LOTRO + AoC , ( not sure ) one of the beta quotes : “I walked from Chopping Necks (westernmost Ork starter town) to the coast to the east over 2 or 3 hours and NOT ONCE was I bored with repetitive landscape. There is almost always a settlement of goblins, freaky bird-men, hivekin, or something going on, and it's on all sides of you. I swam to an island off the coast, then to a second island. In total, the trip took about 4-5 hours one-way. I explored what looked like ~3% of the total map. Do the math! The world is gigantic!”
lets say... 2.5 hours + 4.5 hours = 7 hours.
3% of the map in 7 hours. that's fucking huge. and everything in the world is handcrafted.
AND the developer team is much smaller then other companies, stop bulshitting about the 8 year development shit, because they had to start over building the game again.
Conclusion : DFO pwns > all
Going to have to call BS on the high-lighted portion above.
Those pics above of the LoTRo character are barely at lowest setting maybe. Here's a couple links that might give a different perspective... a bit of a difference.
It's not that hard to tell the truth about games. If you like one better than another, it's not a big deal to say so. There is really no need to lie about them though.
Yeah AoC did a good job with the char models, I just wish there enviroments didn't look so bad. I mean with the ammount of gameplay that was sacrificed for the graphics you'd imagine that AoC would have steller char models and enviroments. DFO's enviroments are beautiful in comparison, there char models aren't the greatest though. LoTRO is ok it fails in comparison graphics wise to both but beats AoC gameplay wise, the reason I say it beats AoC gameplay wise is because AoC is like a sandbox, themepark hybrid that just couldn't get either aspect right. To linear for a decent sandbox and to open for a decent themepark, bad enviroments but very good char models. DFO > LoTRO gameplay and graphics wise though.
Yeah, graphics are going to be very subjective for every person.
I would have had no beef with Master25 saying he THINKS the graphics for DF are better than LoTRo and AoC. No problem there, that's his opinion.
It's when he posts screenshots for LoTRo and AoC, and then says they are "in the highest setting"; when anyone who is honest at all can clearly see that they are not. That's when it's a problem.
Just take the one screenshot of the character he posted for LoTRo... "in the highest setting". Just from the shoes alone it's very obvious that the texture setting is at one of, if not the lowest possible setting.
It's not a big deal to like another game over another... just be honest about it.
It might be true that those screenshots are not on the highest settings, that's not a lie, thats false information by people posting them. So I apologise for that.
But my point was, that seeing DF is in beta, and the settings are on ''default'' , like in the screenshots I posted looks great, especially when you know you can raise the settings.
What Aventurine did as such a small company, to create a world that is so big that when you take a ''walk'' of 7 hours and only having walked 3% of the map, a fully handcrafted map..
A world that can take 10.000 players at the same time, that's just insane.
So, say what you want to say. but what Aventurine has achieved if they have all the features ingame, wich they seem to have, is something not many game developers can do.
Seems like the "onscreen" graphics of Darkfall kicks Lotro and AoC out of the way. Theres alot of difference btw superpolished videos to hype your game and overpolished screenshots compared to the real thing, the onscreen experience. Seems Darkfall comes out as a winner there.
You'll have to forgive some of us if we decide to wait and see for ourselves before we sign over our first-born. Is that o.k. with you?
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Why? We hear on a daily basis from DF fans that have not played that..
DF is gonna be the bestest game ever!
DF has more feature then any other MMO out. It'll be more sandboxy then SWG ever was and the PvP will tollay rock!
DF graphics are way better then AoC's or LoTRO's
etc etc etc
So why is it exactly that its ok for Fans to spout totally unproven crap Hyping the game to totally unrealiastic expectations without playing, but you warn any doubter here that they better not say anything negative till they have played the game?
Rabid fanbois / vaporwarez trolls = just 2 sides of the same coin
There is a thread opened on Darkfall main website where the Italian guys describe Darkfall graphics from playing the game and it seems they is just blown away by it. They inform us that Darkfall have the so far best graphic seen in a MMORPG game so far. Better then Lotro and Age of Conan. Just amazing. Its a matter of taste i guess but it seems that Darkfall really shine when you have it onscreen. Here is the thread and some poor google translation- http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=83029 Here is the quote from Mizaar where he points out what these Italians think of Darkfall onscreen graphics "Btw the most underlined aspect is that graphic kicks ass. They say it's the best they've seen in MMORPGS so far. So I guess all the people complaining about it are fooled by jpg quality "
Here is another quote from same thread about the overall preview thought on Dakfall from Navimel (page2) - "to be short the review on darkfall is extremely positive and confirm everything has been said on the beta report " Seems we have a winner here. Darkfall deliver and the larger companies games Warhammer and Age of Conan failed. Nice to see we might have a rebirth of good MMORPG games.
DFs graphics looks really good on what I seen, in class with LOTRO (A bit better avatars, a litle worse background, about the same) but AoC really looks better.
We can off course discuss the art in the game but in a pure technical point of view it is not as good as AoC.
You'll have to forgive some of us if we decide to wait and see for ourselves before we sign over our first-born. Is that o.k. with you?
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Yup, I'm on board with that. Unless of course you'd like to point where I've ever said any of that? Remember there are quite a few of us on this board that are firmly planted in the middle. Not over-board hype machines for Tasos and company... nor Trolls that like to spew out hate at every opportunity.
Like it or not... most people that visit the DarkFall boards are not going to believe every single word that Aventurine and Tasos say. That doesn't automatically place us in the Troll camp either. We will wait and eventually decide for ourselves. Hopefully the OPEN Beta will be soon.
Eggs just making up crap now, he even just accused me of having called DF vaporware, even though I have my doubts about its release and believe the current "DF graphics > then AoC's" to be BS I have never even said i thought DF would be bad or that it was vaporware (more words he's trying to stuff into my mouth.)
Eggs gone totally overboard now and anyone with any doubts to him is just a troll. Which ironically since he doesn't agree with the italian beta testers asessment of DF's graphics being better then AOC's would include him.
PS edited for spelling and such
riiiiight....
sorry you have been proven wrong, i know thats never fun, but telling lies doesnt make you any more credible.
I welcome doubts, that have some kind of legit reasoning behind them. When people say "this game may not even be real" guess what, they are trolling.
When they say "DF graphics are no better than late 1990s eq1" thats trolling.
I just think its awsome that you people have grown up so much from your lol vaporwarez days. I enjoyed being at your graduation when you went to "they will never realease a video in august" it was a touching moment to see you guys grow up then. Then it was "this game will never see beta" ...oh my how you have grown.
Then of course it was "beta is fake, its all fake, i want proof!"....and of course today you have grown even more.
DFs graphics looks really good on what I seen, in class with LOTRO (A bit better avatars, a litle worse background, about the same) but AoC really looks better. We can off course discuss the art in the game but in a pure technical point of view it is not as good as AoC. Just a random AoC picture Just look on the detail level of everything, the lightning and shadows. DF looks far better than expected, really good. But not best.
Just compared technically stats of your "random AoC picture" taken from a photo album ..with a big version of DF pictures presented today at MMORPGitalia.it.
Here the result
Your picture AoC :
(width/height) 1024 x 640
(type) pnq
(size) 3,4 MB
(bitrate) 48
MMORPGitalia.it DarkFall (darkfall_07) :
(width/height) 1055 x 660
(type) jpg
(size) 193 KB
(bitrate) 24
Means to me you cheat technically ...pnq type is more efficient store more info per se plus your picture is like 17 x bigger then DarkFall pic ...no wonderyou see more of the "detail level"...
So please get a 17 times down scaled jpg for the compare, with half the bitrate..(not to mention DF pic is even bigger in proportion)
(And no i am not claiming at this point anything like DF has better graphics , just that this compare is not fair)
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Easily better than LotRO, probably not up to AoC standards.
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
sigh the e-bully compensation nonsense has to stop. stop telling people to be honest. clearly he is giving his honest opinion of where he ranks those games visually. unfortunatly with the vultures on this forum you need to specify that it is your opinion.
and for what its worth...everything i have read on this forum seems to say that the vast majority of people think AoC kills Lotro visually.
Easily better than LotRO, probably not up to AoC standards.
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
LotRO is built on an engine from 2002, and was delayed so many times, it is extremely out of date, and you can tell. That being said, they still manage to make it very pretty. But the limitations are clearly there. LotRO is probably rank 3, the top 2 a toss up between Vanguard and AoC.
There is a thread opened on Darkfall main website where the Italian guys describe Darkfall graphics from playing the game and it seems they is just blown away by it. They inform us that Darkfall have the so far best graphic seen in a MMORPG game so far. Better then Lotro and Age of Conan. Just amazing. Its a matter of taste i guess but it seems that Darkfall really shine when you have it onscreen. Here is the thread and some poor google translation- http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=83029 Here is the quote from Mizaar where he points out what these Italians think of Darkfall onscreen graphics "Btw the most underlined aspect is that graphic kicks ass. They say it's the best they've seen in MMORPGS so far. So I guess all the people complaining about it are fooled by jpg quality "
Here is another quote from same thread about the overall preview thought on Dakfall from Navimel (page2) - "to be short the review on darkfall is extremely positive and confirm everything has been said on the beta report " Seems we have a winner here. Darkfall deliver and the larger companies games Warhammer and Age of Conan failed. Nice to see we might have a rebirth of good MMORPG games.
Woah, that was weird. After I finished reading that post I just smiled.. It really would be awesome if game companies would come up with new and exciting mmo features. In this case Darkfall's no HUD feature, which is a breath of fresh air. They should focus on making the game really fun and not just making a boring original races and classes mmo just for some money imho.
Easily better than LotRO, probably not up to AoC standards.
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
sigh the e-bully compensation nonsense has to stop. stop telling people to be honest. clearly he is giving his honest opinion of where he ranks those games visually. unfortunatly with the vultures on this forum you need to specify that it is your opinion.
and for what its worth...everything i have read on this forum seems to say that the vast majority of people think AoC kills Lotro visually.
Funny thing to say from you since you bash everyone who dont follow blindly DF. If someone say the dont like something in DF, you call him troll.... the only way to not be a troll for you is to have the same opinion and believe as you do... Ironic dont you thing?
Easily better than LotRO, probably not up to AoC standards.
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
sigh the e-bully compensation nonsense has to stop. stop telling people to be honest. clearly he is giving his honest opinion of where he ranks those games visually. unfortunatly with the vultures on this forum you need to specify that it is your opinion.
and for what its worth...everything i have read on this forum seems to say that the vast majority of people think AoC kills Lotro visually.
Funny thing to say from you since you bash everyone who dont follow blindly DF. If someone say the dont like something in DF, you call him troll.... the only way to not be a troll for you is to have the same opinion and believe as you do... Ironic dont you thing?
Sorry but just becase you say it doesnt make it true. Sorry but you fail.
I know i have a decent amount of posts, but if you actually showed some respect and didnt make assumptions before you attack someones character, then maybe you wouldnt make such silly mistakes. If you were to check my post history, you will see many posts in which I agree with many skeptics claims about DF. Specifically their ability to have a smooth launch, FPS combat and lag in relation to server location, their ability to update the game promptly, and much more.
So sorry but youve been proven wrong again...since I do no bash everyone who doesnt have the same opinion about DF as I do. I just pick on the people who are only hear to troll.
Even if some one has played it they can't tell you that they have. Again. Don't even bother trying to say that it looks better than AoC or Lotro because you'll be dissapointed. Again. It looks great but not better.
Now, the screenshots of AoC and LOTRO are in the highest settings.
The screenshots of DFO are from the beta, and on ''default'' settings. So lets say if you have low - medium - high settings these are on medium, MEDIUM! And still the art style is nicer. ( imo )
We might even have a ''ultra high'' setting but I doubt it.
The world of DFO is probably bigger then LOTRO + AoC , ( not sure ) one of the beta quotes : “I walked from Chopping Necks (westernmost Ork starter town) to the coast to the east over 2 or 3 hours and NOT ONCE was I bored with repetitive landscape. There is almost always a settlement of goblins, freaky bird-men, hivekin, or something going on, and it's on all sides of you. I swam to an island off the coast, then to a second island. In total, the trip took about 4-5 hours one-way. I explored what looked like ~3% of the total map. Do the math! The world is gigantic!”
lets say... 2.5 hours + 4.5 hours = 7 hours.
3% of the map in 7 hours. that's fucking huge. and everything in the world is handcrafted.
AND the developer team is much smaller then other companies, stop bulshitting about the 8 year development shit, because they had to start over building the game again.
Conclusion : DFO pwns > all
Darkfall is number one in my list together with Aion. I think all this war here is really pointless. I'm not going to enter in the argument. I can't get opinion about the graphics of a game i'm not yet played.
But your post is an insult Master25, i have played both AoC and Lotro and both games at the lowest settings look better than the screenshots you posted as "highest settings". For a moment i was tempted to post few of my screenshots of both games but really it's not necessary; people that have played AoC or Lotro know the truth.
May be you think we all are stupids.
If Darkfall delivers (i really hope so) it is going to be a great game, may be the best game in the MMO history to some people. Darkfall don't need pathetic lies like yours Master25.
Saying it has better graphics than AoC or LoTRO is just pure fanboyism. Have you seen some of the other comments by those italian guys? They are the biggest fanboys out there.
There is absolutly no way any of the screenshots or videos ive seen come close. But thats why we are waiting for DF is it not? Its about the gameplay not the graphics.
I dont care what anyone says played it or not the graphics arent even in the same league. Pull your head out of your asses please.
EDIT: My comparison of DFs graphics would be a bit worse than WAR.
Saying it has better graphics than AoC or LoTRO is just pure fanboyism. Have you seen some of the other comments by those italian guys? They are the biggest fanboys out there. There is absolutly no way any of the screenshots or videos ive seen come close. But thats why we are waiting for DF is it not? Its about the gameplay not the graphics. I dont care what anyone says played it or not the graphics arent even in the same league. Pull your head out of your asses please. EDIT: My comparison of DFs graphics would be a bit worse than WAR.
Lots of people need to get their "heads out of their asses" then.
I definitely dont see it being better than AoC.
Slightly better than Lotro, in my opinion...but it is close so i can see why that comparison is highly subjective.
FAR FAR FAR better than WAR and its not even close...IN MY OPINION....but they are different artstyles....cartoony war vs realistic DF
Sorry but just becase you say it doesnt make it true. Sorry but you fail. I know i have a decent amount of posts, but if you actually showed some respect and didnt make assumptions before you attack someones character, then maybe you wouldnt make such silly mistakes. If you were to check my post history, you will see many posts in which I agree with many skeptics claims about DF. Specifically their ability to have a smooth launch, FPS combat and lag in relation to server location, their ability to update the game promptly, and much more. So sorry but youve been proven wrong again...since I do no bash everyone who doesnt have the same opinion about DF as I do. I just pick on the people who are only hear to troll.
Lol i fail what ?? i didnt try anything so how can i fail?
You say check my history but i dont need to, every post on darkfall i read you are there and you bash and even insult people. All i know is this is become pointless to talk with you so i will not answer to you anymore.
Sorry but just becase you say it doesnt make it true. Sorry but you fail. I know i have a decent amount of posts, but if you actually showed some respect and didnt make assumptions before you attack someones character, then maybe you wouldnt make such silly mistakes. If you were to check my post history, you will see many posts in which I agree with many skeptics claims about DF. Specifically their ability to have a smooth launch, FPS combat and lag in relation to server location, their ability to update the game promptly, and much more. So sorry but youve been proven wrong again...since I do no bash everyone who doesnt have the same opinion about DF as I do. I just pick on the people who are only hear to troll.
Lol i fail what ?? i didnt try anything so how can i fail?
You say check my history but i dont need to, every post on darkfall i read you are there and you bash and even insult people. All i know is this is become pointless to talk with you so i will not answer to you anymore.
Don't do me any favors.
It is much easier than actually admitting you were wrong though...just ignoring it and not checking the post history. Not fooling anyone but thanks
If Darkfall was on par with WoW graphics or less, it would still be a better mmo than anything presently available feature wise.
Atleast, from the standpoint of an oldschool gamer that appreciates challenge (which no popular fantasy mmo currently has aside from a few end game encounters).
Haha I love this thread. I feel like I have stumbled into a room of art critics.
Polygons, shades, texture, lines, light and realisme...it`s amazing
It`s not like it`s about abstract expressionisme, cubisme, avant-garde and kitsch. The screenshots are about different forms of realisme and they all look darn good...all of them.
The question is "Can you kill and clean-loot the players in any of those screenshots?"
Even if some one has played it they can't tell you that they have. Again. Don't even bother trying to say that it looks better than AoC or Lotro because you'll be dissapointed. Again. It looks great but not better.
Now, the screenshots of AoC and LOTRO are in the highest settings.
The screenshots of DFO are from the beta, and on ''default'' settings. So lets say if you have low - medium - high settings these are on medium, MEDIUM! And still the art style is nicer. ( imo )
We might even have a ''ultra high'' setting but I doubt it.
The world of DFO is probably bigger then LOTRO + AoC , ( not sure ) one of the beta quotes : “I walked from Chopping Necks (westernmost Ork starter town) to the coast to the east over 2 or 3 hours and NOT ONCE was I bored with repetitive landscape. There is almost always a settlement of goblins, freaky bird-men, hivekin, or something going on, and it's on all sides of you. I swam to an island off the coast, then to a second island. In total, the trip took about 4-5 hours one-way. I explored what looked like ~3% of the total map. Do the math! The world is gigantic!”
lets say... 2.5 hours + 4.5 hours = 7 hours.
3% of the map in 7 hours. that's fucking huge. and everything in the world is handcrafted.
AND the developer team is much smaller then other companies, stop bulshitting about the 8 year development shit, because they had to start over building the game again.
Conclusion : DFO pwns > all
Darkfall is number one in my list together with Aion. I think all this war here is really pointless. I'm not going to enter in the argument. I can't get opinion about the graphics of a game i'm not yet played.
But your post is an insult Master25, i have played both AoC and Lotro and both games at the lowest settings look better than the screenshots you posted as "highest settings". For a moment i was tempted to post few of my screenshots of both games but really it's not necessary; people that have played AoC or Lotro know the truth.
May be you think we all are stupids.
If Darkfall delivers (i really hope so) it is going to be a great game, may be the best game in the MMO history to some people. Darkfall don't need pathetic lies like yours Master25.
Learn too read posts, I already said it was a mistake.
I'm not into AoC or LOTRO, I assumed they were on the highest settings. Obviously not.
Even on the high setting screenshots though, AoC's art style looks just horrible ( imo ) LOTRO's art style isn't too bad.
AoC has failed big time, LOTRO is doing fine.
Now lets hope DF delivers. because I can't stand the WoW carebears allover the place.
Even on the high setting screenshots though, AoC's art style looks just horrible ( imo ) LOTRO's art style isn't too bad. AoC has failed big time, LOTRO is doing fine.
Let us not discuss art here, ok. If someone like the art or not is very personal and all 3 of those styles have fans and people who can't stand them. Discussing which art that is best will not give us anything useful.
I kinda like the art of AoC in many cases, like in this screenshot.
I don't see how AoC failed more than LOTRO and I really don't see what that have to do with anything here either.
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You'll have to forgive some of us if we decide to wait and see for ourselves before we sign over our first-born. Is that o.k. with you?
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Why? We hear on a daily basis from DF fans that have not played that..
DF is gonna be the bestest game ever!
DF has more feature then any other MMO out. It'll be more sandboxy then SWG ever was and the PvP will tollay rock!
DF graphics are way better then AoC's or LoTRO's
etc etc etc
So why is it exactly that its ok for Fans to spout totally unproven crap Hyping the game to totally unrealiastic expectations without playing, but you warn any doubter here that they better not say anything negative till they have played the game?
Rabid fanbois / vaporwarez trolls = just 2 sides of the same coin
Well put my friend!
And just as we predicted before new of this italian site review came out...
trolls asked for some media to go in and play beta and confirm it etc...they said thats all they want etc...
We said that even if that were to happen, trolls would just call it fake and or say X media is bs.
Well we certainly see that happening today. The only thing that will ever satisfy trolls is if there is an announcement that the game is canceled or some site goes in there on a visit and bashes the hell out of the game.
They refuse to believe that DF can be good or even great and that they may have been wronged and made a poor choice hoping on the cool kid vaporwareeeez bandwagon.
You know whats funny even you have said in this thread you don't believe DF's graphics are better then AOC's thus you in fact do not believe the italians words either, yet you resort to calling me a troll because I don't believe them. Sorry Eggy i have lost all respect for you now. You really are nothing more then a Rabid fanbois with no logical arguements other then insults that anyone with doubts is a troll. I never said DF wouldn't be good i just called the BS that the italians are saying that its graphics are better then AoC's.
Further typing a debat on the internet doesn't make one cool, sorry if you feel that way perhaps thats why DF must be a success for you, as if its anything less then the greatest game ever with graphics in 100 vs 100 battles far superior then AoC's then you'd feel somehow less cool. (having made the wrong choice and jumped on the cool kid DF is the greatest game ever bandwagon)
Oh by the way using your own standards since you don't agree with the italian beta testers saying DF's graphics are better then AoC's then i guess your a troll too welcome aboad!
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Yup, I'm on board with that. Unless of course you'd like to point where I've ever said any of that? Remember there are quite a few of us on this board that are firmly planted in the middle. Not over-board hype machines for Tasos and company... nor Trolls that like to spew out hate at every opportunity.
Like it or not... most people that visit the DarkFall boards are not going to believe every single word that Aventurine and Tasos say. That doesn't automatically place us in the Troll camp either. We will wait and eventually decide for ourselves. Hopefully the OPEN Beta will be soon.
Eggs just making up crap now, he even just accused me of having called DF vaporware, even though I have my doubts about its release and believe the current "DF graphics > then AoC's" to be BS I have never even said i thought DF would be bad or that it was vaporware (more words he's trying to stuff into my mouth.)
Eggs gone totally overboard now and anyone with any doubts to him is just a troll. Which ironically since he doesn't agree with the italian beta testers asessment of DF's graphics being better then AOC's would include him.
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Mmmh, really.
Characters.
Lotro : click
AoC : click
DFO : click
Environments.
LOTRO: another click
AoC : another click
DFO : and another click
Now, the screenshots of AoC and LOTRO are in the highest settings.
The screenshots of DFO are from the beta, and on ''default'' settings. So lets say if you have low - medium - high settings these are on medium, MEDIUM! And still the art style is nicer. ( imo )
We might even have a ''ultra high'' setting but I doubt it.
The world of DFO is probably bigger then LOTRO + AoC , ( not sure ) one of the beta quotes : “I walked from Chopping Necks (westernmost Ork starter town) to the coast to the east over 2 or 3 hours and NOT ONCE was I bored with repetitive landscape. There is almost always a settlement of goblins, freaky bird-men, hivekin, or something going on, and it's on all sides of you. I swam to an island off the coast, then to a second island. In total, the trip took about 4-5 hours one-way. I explored what looked like ~3% of the total map. Do the math! The world is gigantic!”
lets say... 2.5 hours + 4.5 hours = 7 hours.
3% of the map in 7 hours. that's fucking huge. and everything in the world is handcrafted.
AND the developer team is much smaller then other companies, stop bulshitting about the 8 year development shit, because they had to start over building the game again.
Conclusion : DFO pwns > all
Going to have to call BS on the high-lighted portion above.
Those pics above of the LoTRo character are barely at lowest setting maybe. Here's a couple links that might give a different perspective... a bit of a difference.
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img217.imageshack.us/img217/4013/screenshot00011hw8.jpg
i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/LoTekGhost/ScreenShot00214.jpg
a628.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/l_fa0e83bc07aca7ae7dcdae0ef5ddd34b.jpg
www.imagecoast.com/images/simba107/screenshot00033.jpg
www.massively.com/photos/one-shots/759942/full/
Now here are some of AoC characters. Again... quite a bit of difference for the "highest settings" that the OP says.
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www.computerandvideogames.com/viewer.php
www.massively.com/photos/one-shots/914850/full
It's not that hard to tell the truth about games. If you like one better than another, it's not a big deal to say so. There is really no need to lie about them though.
Yeah AoC did a good job with the char models, I just wish there enviroments didn't look so bad. I mean with the ammount of gameplay that was sacrificed for the graphics you'd imagine that AoC would have steller char models and enviroments. DFO's enviroments are beautiful in comparison, there char models aren't the greatest though. LoTRO is ok it fails in comparison graphics wise to both but beats AoC gameplay wise, the reason I say it beats AoC gameplay wise is because AoC is like a sandbox, themepark hybrid that just couldn't get either aspect right. To linear for a decent sandbox and to open for a decent themepark, bad enviroments but very good char models. DFO > LoTRO gameplay and graphics wise though.
Yeah, graphics are going to be very subjective for every person.
I would have had no beef with Master25 saying he THINKS the graphics for DF are better than LoTRo and AoC. No problem there, that's his opinion.
It's when he posts screenshots for LoTRo and AoC, and then says they are "in the highest setting"; when anyone who is honest at all can clearly see that they are not. That's when it's a problem.
Just take the one screenshot of the character he posted for LoTRo... "in the highest setting". Just from the shoes alone it's very obvious that the texture setting is at one of, if not the lowest possible setting.
It's not a big deal to like another game over another... just be honest about it.
It might be true that those screenshots are not on the highest settings, that's not a lie, thats false information by people posting them. So I apologise for that.
But my point was, that seeing DF is in beta, and the settings are on ''default'' , like in the screenshots I posted looks great, especially when you know you can raise the settings.
What Aventurine did as such a small company, to create a world that is so big that when you take a ''walk'' of 7 hours and only having walked 3% of the map, a fully handcrafted map..
A world that can take 10.000 players at the same time, that's just insane.
So, say what you want to say. but what Aventurine has achieved if they have all the features ingame, wich they seem to have, is something not many game developers can do.
You'll have to forgive some of us if we decide to wait and see for ourselves before we sign over our first-born. Is that o.k. with you?
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Why? We hear on a daily basis from DF fans that have not played that..
DF is gonna be the bestest game ever!
DF has more feature then any other MMO out. It'll be more sandboxy then SWG ever was and the PvP will tollay rock!
DF graphics are way better then AoC's or LoTRO's
etc etc etc
So why is it exactly that its ok for Fans to spout totally unproven crap Hyping the game to totally unrealiastic expectations without playing, but you warn any doubter here that they better not say anything negative till they have played the game?
Rabid fanbois / vaporwarez trolls = just 2 sides of the same coin
i coulnt agree more
Well said pal
DFs graphics looks really good on what I seen, in class with LOTRO (A bit better avatars, a litle worse background, about the same) but AoC really looks better.
We can off course discuss the art in the game but in a pure technical point of view it is not as good as AoC.
Just a random AoC picture Just look on the detail level of everything, the lightning and shadows.
DF looks far better than expected, really good. But not best.
Just as long as you also wait till you play to say stuff like...
"DF is crap"
"DF has 1/4 of its features in and is a fail"
"The graphics are from the late 1700s"
etc etc etc
Yup, I'm on board with that. Unless of course you'd like to point where I've ever said any of that? Remember there are quite a few of us on this board that are firmly planted in the middle. Not over-board hype machines for Tasos and company... nor Trolls that like to spew out hate at every opportunity.
Like it or not... most people that visit the DarkFall boards are not going to believe every single word that Aventurine and Tasos say. That doesn't automatically place us in the Troll camp either. We will wait and eventually decide for ourselves. Hopefully the OPEN Beta will be soon.
Eggs just making up crap now, he even just accused me of having called DF vaporware, even though I have my doubts about its release and believe the current "DF graphics > then AoC's" to be BS I have never even said i thought DF would be bad or that it was vaporware (more words he's trying to stuff into my mouth.)
Eggs gone totally overboard now and anyone with any doubts to him is just a troll. Which ironically since he doesn't agree with the italian beta testers asessment of DF's graphics being better then AOC's would include him.
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riiiiight....
sorry you have been proven wrong, i know thats never fun, but telling lies doesnt make you any more credible.
I welcome doubts, that have some kind of legit reasoning behind them. When people say "this game may not even be real" guess what, they are trolling.
When they say "DF graphics are no better than late 1990s eq1" thats trolling.
I just think its awsome that you people have grown up so much from your lol vaporwarez days. I enjoyed being at your graduation when you went to "they will never realease a video in august" it was a touching moment to see you guys grow up then. Then it was "this game will never see beta" ...oh my how you have grown.
Then of course it was "beta is fake, its all fake, i want proof!"....and of course today you have grown even more.
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Just compared technically stats of your "random AoC picture" taken from a photo album ..with a big version of DF pictures presented today at MMORPGitalia.it.
Here the result
Your picture AoC :
(width/height) 1024 x 640
(type) pnq
(size) 3,4 MB
(bitrate) 48
MMORPGitalia.it DarkFall (darkfall_07) :
(width/height) 1055 x 660
(type) jpg
(size) 193 KB
(bitrate) 24
Means to me you cheat technically ...pnq type is more efficient store more info per se plus your picture is like 17 x bigger then DarkFall pic ...no wonderyou see more of the "detail level"...
So please get a 17 times down scaled jpg for the compare, with half the bitrate..(not to mention DF pic is even bigger in proportion)
(And no i am not claiming at this point anything like DF has better graphics , just that this compare is not fair)
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Easily better than LotRO, probably not up to AoC standards.
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lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
sigh the e-bully compensation nonsense has to stop. stop telling people to be honest. clearly he is giving his honest opinion of where he ranks those games visually. unfortunatly with the vultures on this forum you need to specify that it is your opinion.
and for what its worth...everything i have read on this forum seems to say that the vast majority of people think AoC kills Lotro visually.
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lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
LotRO is built on an engine from 2002, and was delayed so many times, it is extremely out of date, and you can tell. That being said, they still manage to make it very pretty. But the limitations are clearly there. LotRO is probably rank 3, the top 2 a toss up between Vanguard and AoC.
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Woah, that was weird. After I finished reading that post I just smiled.. It really would be awesome if game companies would come up with new and exciting mmo features. In this case Darkfall's no HUD feature, which is a breath of fresh air. They should focus on making the game really fun and not just making a boring original races and classes mmo just for some money imho.
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
sigh the e-bully compensation nonsense has to stop. stop telling people to be honest. clearly he is giving his honest opinion of where he ranks those games visually. unfortunatly with the vultures on this forum you need to specify that it is your opinion.
and for what its worth...everything i have read on this forum seems to say that the vast majority of people think AoC kills Lotro visually.
Funny thing to say from you since you bash everyone who dont follow blindly DF. If someone say the dont like something in DF, you call him troll.... the only way to not be a troll for you is to have the same opinion and believe as you do... Ironic dont you thing?
lotro kills aoc visually. i hate both games but try for a second to be honest.
sigh the e-bully compensation nonsense has to stop. stop telling people to be honest. clearly he is giving his honest opinion of where he ranks those games visually. unfortunatly with the vultures on this forum you need to specify that it is your opinion.
and for what its worth...everything i have read on this forum seems to say that the vast majority of people think AoC kills Lotro visually.
Funny thing to say from you since you bash everyone who dont follow blindly DF. If someone say the dont like something in DF, you call him troll.... the only way to not be a troll for you is to have the same opinion and believe as you do... Ironic dont you thing?
Sorry but just becase you say it doesnt make it true. Sorry but you fail.
I know i have a decent amount of posts, but if you actually showed some respect and didnt make assumptions before you attack someones character, then maybe you wouldnt make such silly mistakes. If you were to check my post history, you will see many posts in which I agree with many skeptics claims about DF. Specifically their ability to have a smooth launch, FPS combat and lag in relation to server location, their ability to update the game promptly, and much more.
So sorry but youve been proven wrong again...since I do no bash everyone who doesnt have the same opinion about DF as I do. I just pick on the people who are only hear to troll.
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Mmmh, really.
Characters.
Lotro : click
AoC : click
DFO : click
Environments.
LOTRO: another click
AoC : another click
DFO : and another click
Now, the screenshots of AoC and LOTRO are in the highest settings.
The screenshots of DFO are from the beta, and on ''default'' settings. So lets say if you have low - medium - high settings these are on medium, MEDIUM! And still the art style is nicer. ( imo )
We might even have a ''ultra high'' setting but I doubt it.
The world of DFO is probably bigger then LOTRO + AoC , ( not sure ) one of the beta quotes : “I walked from Chopping Necks (westernmost Ork starter town) to the coast to the east over 2 or 3 hours and NOT ONCE was I bored with repetitive landscape. There is almost always a settlement of goblins, freaky bird-men, hivekin, or something going on, and it's on all sides of you. I swam to an island off the coast, then to a second island. In total, the trip took about 4-5 hours one-way. I explored what looked like ~3% of the total map. Do the math! The world is gigantic!”
lets say... 2.5 hours + 4.5 hours = 7 hours.
3% of the map in 7 hours. that's fucking huge. and everything in the world is handcrafted.
AND the developer team is much smaller then other companies, stop bulshitting about the 8 year development shit, because they had to start over building the game again.
Conclusion : DFO pwns > all
Darkfall is number one in my list together with Aion. I think all this war here is really pointless. I'm not going to enter in the argument. I can't get opinion about the graphics of a game i'm not yet played.
But your post is an insult Master25, i have played both AoC and Lotro and both games at the lowest settings look better than the screenshots you posted as "highest settings". For a moment i was tempted to post few of my screenshots of both games but really it's not necessary; people that have played AoC or Lotro know the truth.
May be you think we all are stupids.
If Darkfall delivers (i really hope so) it is going to be a great game, may be the best game in the MMO history to some people. Darkfall don't need pathetic lies like yours Master25.
Saying it has better graphics than AoC or LoTRO is just pure fanboyism. Have you seen some of the other comments by those italian guys? They are the biggest fanboys out there.
There is absolutly no way any of the screenshots or videos ive seen come close. But thats why we are waiting for DF is it not? Its about the gameplay not the graphics.
I dont care what anyone says played it or not the graphics arent even in the same league. Pull your head out of your asses please.
EDIT: My comparison of DFs graphics would be a bit worse than WAR.
Lots of people need to get their "heads out of their asses" then.
I definitely dont see it being better than AoC.
Slightly better than Lotro, in my opinion...but it is close so i can see why that comparison is highly subjective.
FAR FAR FAR better than WAR and its not even close...IN MY OPINION....but they are different artstyles....cartoony war vs realistic DF
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so okay now your all just petty
my wife loves the new starwars cartoon i hate it is she wrong or am i
i hated star trek voyager so no one should have liked it
fried eggs are the only way to eat them correctly any one who eats them scrambbled is wrong
puppies smell better from the back end
wow this opinion stuff when prestened as fact is fun
Lol i fail what ?? i didnt try anything so how can i fail?
You say check my history but i dont need to, every post on darkfall i read you are there and you bash and even insult people. All i know is this is become pointless to talk with you so i will not answer to you anymore.
Lol i fail what ?? i didnt try anything so how can i fail?
You say check my history but i dont need to, every post on darkfall i read you are there and you bash and even insult people. All i know is this is become pointless to talk with you so i will not answer to you anymore.
Don't do me any favors.
It is much easier than actually admitting you were wrong though...just ignoring it and not checking the post history. Not fooling anyone but thanks
See you in game.
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If Darkfall was on par with WoW graphics or less, it would still be a better mmo than anything presently available feature wise.
Atleast, from the standpoint of an oldschool gamer that appreciates challenge (which no popular fantasy mmo currently has aside from a few end game encounters).
Haha I love this thread. I feel like I have stumbled into a room of art critics.
Polygons, shades, texture, lines, light and realisme...it`s amazing
It`s not like it`s about abstract expressionisme, cubisme, avant-garde and kitsch. The screenshots are about different forms of realisme and they all look darn good...all of them.
The question is "Can you kill and clean-loot the players in any of those screenshots?"
Yes you can.
Mmmh, really.
Characters.
Lotro : click
AoC : click
DFO : click
Environments.
LOTRO: another click
AoC : another click
DFO : and another click
Now, the screenshots of AoC and LOTRO are in the highest settings.
The screenshots of DFO are from the beta, and on ''default'' settings. So lets say if you have low - medium - high settings these are on medium, MEDIUM! And still the art style is nicer. ( imo )
We might even have a ''ultra high'' setting but I doubt it.
The world of DFO is probably bigger then LOTRO + AoC , ( not sure ) one of the beta quotes : “I walked from Chopping Necks (westernmost Ork starter town) to the coast to the east over 2 or 3 hours and NOT ONCE was I bored with repetitive landscape. There is almost always a settlement of goblins, freaky bird-men, hivekin, or something going on, and it's on all sides of you. I swam to an island off the coast, then to a second island. In total, the trip took about 4-5 hours one-way. I explored what looked like ~3% of the total map. Do the math! The world is gigantic!”
lets say... 2.5 hours + 4.5 hours = 7 hours.
3% of the map in 7 hours. that's fucking huge. and everything in the world is handcrafted.
AND the developer team is much smaller then other companies, stop bulshitting about the 8 year development shit, because they had to start over building the game again.
Conclusion : DFO pwns > all
Darkfall is number one in my list together with Aion. I think all this war here is really pointless. I'm not going to enter in the argument. I can't get opinion about the graphics of a game i'm not yet played.
But your post is an insult Master25, i have played both AoC and Lotro and both games at the lowest settings look better than the screenshots you posted as "highest settings". For a moment i was tempted to post few of my screenshots of both games but really it's not necessary; people that have played AoC or Lotro know the truth.
May be you think we all are stupids.
If Darkfall delivers (i really hope so) it is going to be a great game, may be the best game in the MMO history to some people. Darkfall don't need pathetic lies like yours Master25.
Learn too read posts, I already said it was a mistake.
I'm not into AoC or LOTRO, I assumed they were on the highest settings. Obviously not.
Even on the high setting screenshots though, AoC's art style looks just horrible ( imo ) LOTRO's art style isn't too bad.
AoC has failed big time, LOTRO is doing fine.
Now lets hope DF delivers. because I can't stand the WoW carebears allover the place.
Let us not discuss art here, ok. If someone like the art or not is very personal and all 3 of those styles have fans and people who can't stand them. Discussing which art that is best will not give us anything useful.
I kinda like the art of AoC in many cases, like in this screenshot.
I don't see how AoC failed more than LOTRO and I really don't see what that have to do with anything here either.