OB doesn't mean what it used to. OB these days just means a larger flood of people can be invited in based on certain criteria, as opposed to the old definition of OB which anyone who signed up could test.
I'm looking forward to DF but I find it curious in the article regarding the OB ending controversy where it's stated 'The announcement during ADW was that the open beta phase is scheduled to end early in December'. There isn't any followup comment (that I found) which states there is an OB, later phase CB or anything else going on. (I do believe there is something happening, not arguing that). Just that the statement was made which can also be be interpreted as...'someone said this but we're not saying anything yes or no or maybe so'. This is 'spin' allowing the reader to get what they will from from the article without having to go back later and deny they every said anything positive or negative.
OB doesn't mean what it used to. OB these days just means a larger flood of people can be invited in based on certain criteria, as opposed to the old definition of OB which anyone who signed up could test. I'm looking forward to DF but I find it curious in the article regarding the OB ending controversy where it's stated 'The announcement during ADW was that the open beta phase is scheduled to end early in December'. There isn't any followup comment (that I found) which states there is an OB, later phase CB or anything else going on. (I do believe there is something happening, not arguing that). Just that the statement was made which can also be be interpreted as...'someone said this but we're not saying anything yes or no or maybe so'. This is 'spin' allowing the reader to get what they will from from the article without having to go back later and deny they every said anything positive or negative.
Read all the announcements ..especially that with "We may not announce the start of every phase."
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Could someone point me to a Dev qoute where they say they're going to have an "open beta"? I was under the impression from what I read on the site that they were planning on finishing it up by invitation only. The only hint I saw that they were even contemplating anything more open than that was a qoute in which they said it would be nice if people could try it before they buy it.
he said playtesting which is open beta. uninterrupted for a few weeks. right now there doing wipes very often so it snot in playtesting stage yet.
this next week the wipes wont happen. hey mite have stopped already
From what I understood there was no real indication that the playtesting phase would be anything besides by invitation only. I've seen them talk about ramping up their invite numbers, and I assume they're doing that, but I can't ever recall seeing any official word that any test phase would really be open to everyone.
you know your right : )
there going to still have to invite 20-30k people to fill the server
Just wondering if you are getting worried yet downtoearth:
Originally posted by downtoearth
"i guess lol wouldnt worry until a week or 2 into november"
Seems like we are past your threshold. Or, perhaps you meant something else when you said that?
i was talking to him i wasnt talking about my self.
and i think i was tlaking baout beta leaks or something. guess what we had a decent 1 the other day that proves that rthere is people in the beta esspiccly 2 that i know
Open beta probably won't end untill like jan imo and I don't see darkfall being released in the US untill mid Feb.
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
Open beta probably won't end untill like jan imo and I don't see darkfall being released in the US untill mid Feb.
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
well they did say open bet awill in in early december so iw ould sya by the 14. but my guess is this week open beta or alot of invites will go out. and open beta be next week at the latest i would think.
They said open beta will end in early Dec. Correct? I am kind of confused really. Isn't the whole point of having an open beta to allow anyone in? i.e. "open" beta? Or does open Beta start in early Dec?
No, df open beta means they let 3 people in, oh and the 3 people are df devs.
They said open beta will end in early Dec. Correct? I am kind of confused really. Isn't the whole point of having an open beta to allow anyone in? i.e. "open" beta? Or does open Beta start in early Dec?
No, df open beta means they let 3 people in, oh and the 3 people are df devs.
lmao really when i know 3 people that are in it. that arent devs.
there open bet aiwll be a stress test to see hwat there server cap is
Open beta probably won't end untill like jan imo and I don't see darkfall being released in the US untill mid Feb.
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
Open Beta should always mean anyone who signs up will play. Not you have to pre order the game or do something else to meet a criteria or some other bs. If you have to meet a certain criteria that should be for Closed Beta. Plus even if they are doing OB they still don't have a NA publisher, so if it does release soon you won't be able to buy it in America anyways.
So sorry to everyone but I think if you live in the US you won't get to play DF for some time to come. Even longer if they don't Release in 2008.
My interpretation of open beta is that is a large scale, probably one servers worth so don't expect to get in, with no nda and with a limited number of keys. It is open to any who applys, that doesn't necessarily mean that you will get a key. It is open due to no NDA being present.
They said open beta will end in early Dec. Correct? I am kind of confused really. Isn't the whole point of having an open beta to allow anyone in? i.e. "open" beta? Or does open Beta start in early Dec?
Some of Aventurine's statements are inconsistent and confusing. Per Tasos, on October 31st, 2008 (Emphasis mine):
October 31st Update Part 1
Catching you up with our activities to date - in this post a brief recap of our activities surrounding the first official presentation for Darkfall during the Athens Digital Week.
...
The announcement during ADW was that the open beta phase is scheduled to end early in December. More importantly this means that the game will be ready to release at that point. Marketing consideration kept us from just announcing a release date. The game will be ready for release, and the launch may follow directly, or shortly after, depending on the marketing landscape at the time. Obviously the earlier the better for us, but there are a lot of things needing coordination for the launch, internal and external. So our side of things (meaning the development end) will be ready.
11 days later, per Tasos, on the official site:
Update November 11, 2008
A very quick update:
We sent out the second batch of beta invites last night and we’re going to continue inviting people as needed by our testing process. There’s no ETA to the invites, we’re moving along based solely on our needs. We might invite more people in as early as tonight, and as frequently as every day. The testers are under strict NDA and it would be very unfortunate if we had to ban people and/or to modify our testing - so we would like to ask everyone to respect our process and procedures, even those of you not yet in the beta.
If you’re not in the beta yet, please don’t take this personally, it’s likely you don’t fit our immediate testing needs. There are a lot of criteria, but it can be as simple as hardware, location, time zone etc. We appreciate your understanding as we're trying to get Darkfall ready, we take this process very seriously.
Another thing: We mentioned this before but there is no official Darkfall pre-order. Sites that offer Darkfall pre-orders are not affiliated with us, and we don’t support their offering in any way.
Finally, in our beta invites we’ll never ask you for your password. We’re not asking for any information, we have everything we need in your beta sign up. There are fake beta invites circulating, and you need to use some common sense and be careful.
That's all for now, we'll keep you updated about any changes or developments.
__________________
So, they announce that Open Beta is scheduled to end in early December, but there's really not any more detailed information after that, especially as it pertains to the launch and marketing. The only info we've really seen have been the new screenshots and the player quotes. While most of the quotes have been positive, the ones regarding the UI and controls concern me. If they're that cumbersome, is the game really ready for release?
In general, I wouldn't call the beta phase they're currently in "open". It seems like a very small, closed beta.
Open beta probably won't end untill like jan imo and I don't see darkfall being released in the US untill mid Feb.
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
Open Beta should always mean anyone who signs up will play. Not you have to pre order the game or do something else to meet a criteria or some other bs. If you have to meet a certain criteria that should be for Closed Beta. Plus even if they are doing OB they still don't have a NA publisher, so if it does release soon you won't be able to buy it in America anyways.
So sorry to everyone but I think if you live in the US you won't get to play DF for some time to come. Even longer if they don't Release in 2008.
Open Beta is what the developers or publishers want it to be, not what some random person thinks it should be. You don't automatically have a right to play the game simply because it's reached the final stage of development before release.
Aventurine has stated that they believe everyone should have a chance to try a game before buying it. They also want the game to be as pollished as possible before letting people play it. This most likely means a trial when the game is released.
As for North America not being able to play at first, that is very unlikely. Despite not having a NA publisher, they do have a sever host in the US. Even if the official NA launch is delayed, it does not mean that there won't be a NA server, or at the very least that we won't be able to play on the EU servers. Tasos talks about it here. The fact is that we don't know much yet, and yes there is reason for concern, but that doesn't mean you should go ahead and make stupid assumptions.
Guys be realistic, they where 2 weeks behind and admitted it, most likely testing has surfaced a lot of issues that are being fixed and features beinf tested.
Q1 2009 is the most realistic time to expect Darkfall, if they push it by 2008 then hell yes. I think open beta will start by the end of the year though.
It was actually a continuation of your sentence, since you left it open without punctuation.
wrong. it was stand alone, it was incomplete
However unlike you I realize this is a game forum not a college report and im not gonna point your your errors... and trust me there is PLENTY of them.
Im assuming you had nothing better to say so you did the default attack grammar or spelling jab... you fail
look no perioed at the end and no coma and i can mispell words liek their is no tommorow so can i now have a cookie please
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OB doesn't mean what it used to. OB these days just means a larger flood of people can be invited in based on certain criteria, as opposed to the old definition of OB which anyone who signed up could test.
I'm looking forward to DF but I find it curious in the article regarding the OB ending controversy where it's stated 'The announcement during ADW was that the open beta phase is scheduled to end early in December'. There isn't any followup comment (that I found) which states there is an OB, later phase CB or anything else going on. (I do believe there is something happening, not arguing that). Just that the statement was made which can also be be interpreted as...'someone said this but we're not saying anything yes or no or maybe so'. This is 'spin' allowing the reader to get what they will from from the article without having to go back later and deny they every said anything positive or negative.
Read all the announcements ..especially that with "We may not announce the start of every phase."
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I did read it but I am not sure of your point.
The post quoted didn't confirm or deny anything. It just says the statement happened. Which was the point I was trying to make.
Most notably, OB is something no company would fail the announce regardless of the form it took or how it might affect their 'marketing position'.
he said playtesting which is open beta. uninterrupted for a few weeks. right now there doing wipes very often so it snot in playtesting stage yet.
this next week the wipes wont happen. hey mite have stopped already
From what I understood there was no real indication that the playtesting phase would be anything besides by invitation only. I've seen them talk about ramping up their invite numbers, and I assume they're doing that, but I can't ever recall seeing any official word that any test phase would really be open to everyone.
you know your right : )
there going to still have to invite 20-30k people to fill the server
Just wondering if you are getting worried yet downtoearth:
Originally posted by downtoearth
"i guess lol wouldnt worry until a week or 2 into november"
Seems like we are past your threshold. Or, perhaps you meant something else when you said that?
i was talking to him i wasnt talking about my self.
and i think i was tlaking baout beta leaks or something. guess what we had a decent 1 the other day that proves that rthere is people in the beta esspiccly 2 that i know
Open beta probably won't end untill like jan imo and I don't see darkfall being released in the US untill mid Feb.
What open beta?
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
well they did say open bet awill in in early december so iw ould sya by the 14. but my guess is this week open beta or alot of invites will go out. and open beta be next week at the latest i would think.
Unless they are behind
No, df open beta means they let 3 people in, oh and the 3 people are df devs.
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No, df open beta means they let 3 people in, oh and the 3 people are df devs.
lmao really when i know 3 people that are in it. that arent devs.
there open bet aiwll be a stress test to see hwat there server cap is
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
Open Beta should always mean anyone who signs up will play. Not you have to pre order the game or do something else to meet a criteria or some other bs. If you have to meet a certain criteria that should be for Closed Beta. Plus even if they are doing OB they still don't have a NA publisher, so if it does release soon you won't be able to buy it in America anyways.
So sorry to everyone but I think if you live in the US you won't get to play DF for some time to come. Even longer if they don't Release in 2008.
My interpretation of open beta is that is a large scale, probably one servers worth so don't expect to get in, with no nda and with a limited number of keys. It is open to any who applys, that doesn't necessarily mean that you will get a key. It is open due to no NDA being present.
Some of Aventurine's statements are inconsistent and confusing. Per Tasos, on October 31st, 2008 (Emphasis mine):
October 31st Update Part 1
Catching you up with our activities to date - in this post a brief recap of our activities surrounding the first official presentation for Darkfall during the Athens Digital Week.
...
The announcement during ADW was that the open beta phase is scheduled to end early in December. More importantly this means that the game will be ready to release at that point. Marketing consideration kept us from just announcing a release date. The game will be ready for release, and the launch may follow directly, or shortly after, depending on the marketing landscape at the time. Obviously the earlier the better for us, but there are a lot of things needing coordination for the launch, internal and external. So our side of things (meaning the development end) will be ready.
11 days later, per Tasos, on the official site:
Update November 11, 2008
A very quick update:
We sent out the second batch of beta invites last night and we’re going to continue inviting people as needed by our testing process. There’s no ETA to the invites, we’re moving along based solely on our needs. We might invite more people in as early as tonight, and as frequently as every day. The testers are under strict NDA and it would be very unfortunate if we had to ban people and/or to modify our testing - so we would like to ask everyone to respect our process and procedures, even those of you not yet in the beta.
If you’re not in the beta yet, please don’t take this personally, it’s likely you don’t fit our immediate testing needs. There are a lot of criteria, but it can be as simple as hardware, location, time zone etc. We appreciate your understanding as we're trying to get Darkfall ready, we take this process very seriously.
Another thing: We mentioned this before but there is no official Darkfall pre-order. Sites that offer Darkfall pre-orders are not affiliated with us, and we don’t support their offering in any way.
Finally, in our beta invites we’ll never ask you for your password. We’re not asking for any information, we have everything we need in your beta sign up. There are fake beta invites circulating, and you need to use some common sense and be careful.
That's all for now, we'll keep you updated about any changes or developments.
__________________
So, they announce that Open Beta is scheduled to end in early December, but there's really not any more detailed information after that, especially as it pertains to the launch and marketing. The only info we've really seen have been the new screenshots and the player quotes. While most of the quotes have been positive, the ones regarding the UI and controls concern me. If they're that cumbersome, is the game really ready for release?
In general, I wouldn't call the beta phase they're currently in "open". It seems like a very small, closed beta.
~Ripper
What open beta?
Exactly!
People can try and spin it however they want, but if DarkFall doesn't come out with a real OPEN Beta or some sort of Free Trial before they release the game... there will be a lot less playing than even the most conservative estimates.
But then perhaps that may be what the Devs want. Perhaps they want to keep it small so that it is manageable. Not providing an OPEN Beta or a Free Trial would be the best way to accomplish that... so this may be exactly why they've decided to hold off on those means of promoting their game.
I do find it funny that the very same posters who were promising a real OPEN Beta just 3 months ago, are now back-pedalling and saying that a real OPEN Beta was never really promised. Heh... not like we haven't seen it before I guess.
Open Beta should always mean anyone who signs up will play. Not you have to pre order the game or do something else to meet a criteria or some other bs. If you have to meet a certain criteria that should be for Closed Beta. Plus even if they are doing OB they still don't have a NA publisher, so if it does release soon you won't be able to buy it in America anyways.
So sorry to everyone but I think if you live in the US you won't get to play DF for some time to come. Even longer if they don't Release in 2008.
Open Beta is what the developers or publishers want it to be, not what some random person thinks it should be. You don't automatically have a right to play the game simply because it's reached the final stage of development before release.
Aventurine has stated that they believe everyone should have a chance to try a game before buying it. They also want the game to be as pollished as possible before letting people play it. This most likely means a trial when the game is released.
As for North America not being able to play at first, that is very unlikely. Despite not having a NA publisher, they do have a sever host in the US. Even if the official NA launch is delayed, it does not mean that there won't be a NA server, or at the very least that we won't be able to play on the EU servers. Tasos talks about it here. The fact is that we don't know much yet, and yes there is reason for concern, but that doesn't mean you should go ahead and make stupid assumptions.
Guys be realistic, they where 2 weeks behind and admitted it, most likely testing has surfaced a lot of issues that are being fixed and features beinf tested.
Q1 2009 is the most realistic time to expect Darkfall, if they push it by 2008 then hell yes. I think open beta will start by the end of the year though.
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prolly only small minded peopel are having these flashbakcs
and spellcheck!
that was an incomplete sentence. why make jokes about mistypes when your writing incorrectly??? silly
It was actually a continuation of your sentence, since you left it open without punctuation.
Whenever Beta comes out i'll be happy. If it happens to comes out later, I guess it means i'll just have to wait longer.
wrong. it was stand alone, it was incomplete
However unlike you I realize this is a game forum not a college report and im not gonna point your your errors... and trust me there is PLENTY of them.
Im assuming you had nothing better to say so you did the default attack grammar or spelling jab... you fail
lol...sure buddy ... sure
/pats head and gives him a cookie
ahh i wanted a cookie
look no perioed at the end and no coma and i can mispell words liek their is no tommorow so can i now have a cookie please
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All spelling and typographical errors are based soely on the fact that i just dont care. If you must point out my lack of atention to detail, please do it with a smile.
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