That is the case and your wrong there is a technical "best" and technically LOTRO is better. Again, I can pull up screenshots of both and clearly show how LOTRO is technically better then Darkfall in graphics even though it was released a year and a half ago, can you do that to prove your point???
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There is only one person attacking opinions here. And it is not me.
No offense Originale, but when it comes down to graphics (actual graphics), its basically math. There can be clear answers that aren't based on opinion. When there are things like Resolution, Pixel Count, Hexigon count, etc etc it can be broken down into "Which is better" without it being based off of pure opinion. And when it comes down to the true nitty gritty of TECHNICALITY, (as what he was trying to break it down to), Darkfall doesn't match up with AoC OR LOTRO.
Does that mean that everyone likes LOTRO graphics more then Darkfall graphics, not at all, because that is personal opinion, but just because some people don't like LOTRO graphics more then Darkfall does that mean Darkfall thus has better graphics? NO, because opinions aren't taken into account when deciding what is better TECHNICALLY. For example, if DF has a 5, and LOTRO has a 10, but some people think that DF deserves a 15, does that mean that DF has a 15? no. It just means that some people like that sorta thing, which is perfectly fine.
What you keep doing, is trying to strike ganton down for "Saying his opinion is better then yours", when really what he keeps trying to tell you, is that he isn't basing his argument off of Opinion, but actual facts, (even tho he is going about it the wrong way, by not portraying the facts well, and instead just going about and saying "hey those shadows dont look as good as those" which is opinion, but if you DO actually break it down to numbers, the shadows of DF [in the preview items] don't match up with LOTRO, even tho that doesn't have an impact on what gamers like about the game)
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Originale, you are being a bit stuck up, and flaming anyone who you think is Anti-Darkfall, you should calm down on that a bit, and be a bit more opened minded. When the game comes out, and everything is "at max", then the real reviews can be done, until then we wait.
Ganton, you are on the right path, but need to word things better, and use more facts and slightly less opinion when you try to break things down "technically".
people like ganton comming in here trying to persuade others into thinking his opinions are right while others are wrong is the only problem here.
Aint that the truth, i've just read this entire thread and can honestly say that Ganton is the kind of person who HAS to be right, even when it's mere opinions he's stating.. HIS opinions..... others have posted their opinions.... whats Ganton do, defend his opinions like he's being personally attacked (which he isn't)..
Ganton said it himself... "I'm tired of being right"
This mentality i'm sorry to say is just obsurd Ganton.. you've stated your opinions, end of story move on your obviously someone who thinks opinions are there to be right or wrong. THEY'RE NOT....
Nothing you've posted proves anything in any way shape or form.. how long has LotRo been out? over a year now as i played it for about a year but wasn't there at launch, how many updates and UI changes has it gone through? how many graphic tweaks? you see where i'm going with this Ganton? just over a year full of updates and changes is what makes your arguments on DF vs LotRo graphics flawed.. your looking at a pre release vs 14 month old game (roughly 14 months i think)..
Thanks I thought I was going crazy there for a second.
The highlighted part of what I quoted is also the only part that anyone really needs to see to understand where im coming from.
And again I get acused of flaming EVERYONE who is antidf when that is still just a cop out for whatever. Because I clearly do agree with skeptics who support their arguements and share a lot of their concerns about DF myself.
but if you DO actually break it down to numbers, the shadows of DF [in the preview items] don't match up with LOTRO, even tho that doesn't have an impact on what gamers like about the game)
Unfortunatly other screens show that the shadows are just as good if not better than lotro. He just picked one of many to try to make himself continue to be "tired of being right".
I see what you are saying but I have to disagree. Mainly because a lot of the trolls base their arugements on "the game isnt out yet, so how do you know what the game is like...have you played it?"
So when someone takes one screenshot of prerelease and claims that it is FACT that lotro > df in technical graphics then it is just wrong because the game isnt out yet and we have seen multiple versions of DF graphics and do not know what they are capable of.
So all ganton can really argue is that in HIS OPINION based on the screens is that ltotro looks better to HIM.
And I can say that based on the screens, DF blows LOTRO out of the water in my opinions.
people like ganton comming in here trying to persuade others into thinking his opinions are right while others are wrong is the only problem here.
Aint that the truth, i've just read this entire thread and can honestly say that Ganton is the kind of person who HAS to be right, even when it's mere opinions he's stating.. HIS opinions..... others have posted their opinions.... whats Ganton do, defend his opinions like he's being personally attacked (which he isn't)..
Ganton said it himself... "I'm tired of being right"
This mentality i'm sorry to say is just obsurd Ganton.. you've stated your opinions, end of story move on your obviously someone who thinks opinions are there to be right or wrong. THEY'RE NOT....
Nothing you've posted proves anything in any way shape or form.. how long has LotRo been out? over a year now as i played it for about a year but wasn't there at launch, how many updates and UI changes has it gone through? how many graphic tweaks? you see where i'm going with this Ganton? just over a year full of updates and changes is what makes your arguments on DF vs LotRo graphics flawed.. your looking at a pre release vs 14 month old game (roughly 14 months i think)..
Thanks I thought I was going crazy there for a second.
The highlighted part of what I quoted is also the only part that anyone really needs to see to understand where im coming from.
And again I get acused of flaming EVERYONE who is antidf when that is still just a cop out for whatever. Because I clearly do agree with skeptics who support their arguements and share a lot of their concerns about DF myself.
Yea I called you an Anti-DF, but thats because I don't actually read too many threads on MMORPG, because the biased opinions are hardly ever near neutral, but from thew few DF/Anti-DF threads, I have yet to see you make consessions to the Anti-DF's, but maybe that's because you do it in PM's, and over MSN and stuff, which is fine, but like I said, how am I supposed to know wether you can be flexible or not, if I have yet to see you do it. (Seriously not tryin to be offensive, just logical).
And from Gantons perspective, I can see why he said that, he wasn't saying that "He is always right", but more so that you keep trying to crack down on "failures in his logic" that aren't really "failed logic", just your perspective that he is being overly opinionated.
::blink - blink:: OMG...someone thinks DF's graphics(if the game is real - still have my doubts) are better than LotR Online? Pulleeaasseee....someone have that dudes eyes checked. With that being said...graphics do not make the game. Who knows, maybe DF will be a real game and have good game play. Game play will always be > than graphics.
but if you DO actually break it down to numbers, the shadows of DF [in the preview items] don't match up with LOTRO, even tho that doesn't have an impact on what gamers like about the game)
Unfortunatly other screens show that the shadows are just as good if not better than lotro. He just picked one of many to try to make himself continue to be "tired of being right".
I see what you are saying but I have to disagree. Mainly because a lot of the trolls base their arugements on "the game isnt out yet, so how do you know what the game is like...have you played it?"
So when someone takes one screenshot of prerelease and claims that it is FACT that lotro > df in technical graphics then it is just wrong because the game isnt out yet and we have seen multiple versions of DF graphics and do not know what they are capable of.
So all ganton can really argue is that in HIS OPINION based on the screens is that ltotro looks better to HIM.
And I can say that based on the screens, DF blows LOTRO out of the water in my opinions.
You do have a good point that unless the game is released, you can't actually say the game has bad graphics, so I will give you that.
So, I will restate my argument-
From the evidence I have seen (the video that was put out by Adventurine, and a few leaked photoes here and there), LOTRO and especially AOC has higher quality then those leaks. Does that mean that Darkfall can still pop its head up on release with great graphics we have never heard about, yea, but do you HONESTLY think that will happen? (serious question, because I have heard many games, including AoC state things like "The game performance is bad because its still in beta, on release all the debug stuff will be taken out, and the quality won't be locked on low" just to find out they were blowin smoke up my butt)
And like I said, your opinion is fine how it is, that LOTRO's graphics aren't for you compaired to Darkfall leaks, which is fine, but when it comes down to technical terms, and the nitty gritty math behind the engines, LOTRO would appear to have a higher quality of graphics then what has been leaked SO FAR.
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows.
And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
Yes they do... and go ahead and post those screenshots I'd like to see them myself if they exist.
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
Very cool if true.
The reports from the journalist mention how the weather, like fog, can graphically effect the outcome of a battle. I have never heard something like that from Lotro so it is one of many reasons why I dont really agree with anyone thinking that at this point in the development, they can claim that lotro is technically better than DF graphically.
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have ).
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong .
[quote]
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
Very cool if true.
The reports from the journalist mention how the weather, like fog, can graphically effect the outcome of a battle. I have never heard something like that from Lotro so it is one of many reasons why I dont really agree with anyone thinking that at this point in the development, they can claim that lotro is technically better than DF graphically.
Even if that were relevant, you have no proof of whatsoever so you cant claim it to be, lotro would still technically be graphically superior to darkfall due to things like texture resolution, bump mapping, pixel density etc..
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
Very cool if true.
The reports from the journalist mention how the weather, like fog, can graphically effect the outcome of a battle. I have never heard something like that from Lotro so it is one of many reasons why I dont really agree with anyone thinking that at this point in the development, they can claim that lotro is technically better than DF graphically.
Apparently you're just going to side step everything I say, and point out things that are irrelevent -.-
Those kinds of things are considered Engine Physics, they determine not what things look like, but what they do. They don't determine the quality of a cloud, but what it can do (IE move), which has no bearing on the quality of cloud. If you prefer a cloud to move, instead of stand still, that becomes opinion.
Ok, since no one wants to talk about things that don't directly pertain to opinion, I will just stop spouting my retoric.
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have ).
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong .
[quote]
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
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Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have ).
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong .
[quote]
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
TLDR-
Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
He was obviously using caps to emphasize those words. You cant seriously say you think he was yelling lol. Sounds like you just want a reason to not listen to someone who has different views as yours.
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have ).
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong .
[quote]
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
TLDR-
Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
Hmm, I don't recall asking if you read anything I have posted... But thats cool if you haven't, I have a pretty low post count, so I can see why you would miss my posts.
And I would have to be a really odd person to yell at random intervals at 2 or 3 spots within a 2 paragraph block of text, so I guess the only other possible meaning for all caps would be.... To put emphasis on those words? No, that couldn't be it, thats CRAZY!
If you people would stop trying to discredit everything I say, by pointing out the irrelevent (IE omg he posted a couple words in ALL CAPS, omg! or but what about what the engine that we have yet to see much of anything about be capable of) then maybe you would actually be able to read my words, understand the meaning behind them, and comprehend the actual thoughts I am trying to convey.
But until you can do the afore mentioned, it really is a lost cause, and I really don't like saying that, because it makes me sound like I am trying to put you guys down in some way or another, and I am not. I am sure you guys are probably cool guys in your own way, but you just can't allow my words to enter your thought process for whatever reason, and you know what? I am fine with that, but I am also done trying...
But until you can do the afore mentioned, it really is a lost cause, and I really don't like saying that, because it makes me sound like I am trying to put you guys down in some way or another, and I am not. I am sure you guys are probably cool guys in your own way, but you just can't allow my words to enter your thought process for whatever reason, and you know what? I am fine with that, but I am also done trying...
Gratz....
Yeah, I would also love to see the game's engine at work. As things are now, I'm in the same boat, methosk. There's just not enough proof and too many claims. Weren't "waves" of invitations supposed to be coming this week? I want in!
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
But until you can do the afore mentioned, it really is a lost cause, and I really don't like saying that, because it makes me sound like I am trying to put you guys down in some way or another, and I am not. I am sure you guys are probably cool guys in your own way, but you just can't allow my words to enter your thought process for whatever reason, and you know what? I am fine with that, but I am also done trying...
Gratz....
Yeah, I would also love to see the game's engine at work. As things are now, I'm in the same boat, methosk. There's just not enough proof and too many claims. Weren't "waves" of invitations supposed to be coming this week? I want in!
I appreciate that you are getting behind some of my statements, but I just want to be clear that I am not taking sides on DF Fans and Anti DF's. And by which, my stateing that there hasn't been enough info about the engine, didn't in any way mean that I don't think its good, or real or anything like that, just that there isn't enough info (actual facts) about it for it to be judge or compaired in a numberical or statistical way, which is why I choose not to debate on it, but rather the info and leaks (video and photo) that are available about the graphical quality.
So once again, thanks, but don't take my words the wrong way, (and dont take any offense to me saying don't misinterpret my words, I don't mean this reply in a negative way towards you at all lol)
Dang I am doin too much clarifying in this thread, but it appears necisary in a bad way lol.
Yeah, I would also love to see the game's engine at work. As things are now, I'm in the same boat, methosk. There's just not enough proof and too many claims. Weren't "waves" of invitations supposed to be coming this week? I want in!
I appreciate that you are getting behind some of my statements, but I just want to be clear that I am not taking sides on DF Fans and Anti DF's. And by which, my stateing that there hasn't been enough info about the engine, didn't in any way mean that I don't think its good, or real or anything like that, just that there isn't enough info (actual facts) about it for it to be judge or compaired in a numberical or statistical way, which is why I choose not to debate on it, but rather the info and leaks (video and photo) that are available about the graphical quality.
So once again, thanks, but don't take my words the wrong way, (and dont take any offense to me saying don't misinterpret my words, I don't mean this reply in a negative way towards you at all lol)
Dang I am doin too much clarifying in this thread, but it appears necisary in a bad way lol.
I hate you! Troll, fanboy hater!
But yeah, burn...I guess I should have read your post more thoughtfully before posting my opinion, comparing it to what I thought was yours. Sorry about the inclusion.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Yeah, I would also love to see the game's engine at work. As things are now, I'm in the same boat, methosk. There's just not enough proof and too many claims. Weren't "waves" of invitations supposed to be coming this week? I want in!
I appreciate that you are getting behind some of my statements, but I just want to be clear that I am not taking sides on DF Fans and Anti DF's. And by which, my stateing that there hasn't been enough info about the engine, didn't in any way mean that I don't think its good, or real or anything like that, just that there isn't enough info (actual facts) about it for it to be judge or compaired in a numberical or statistical way, which is why I choose not to debate on it, but rather the info and leaks (video and photo) that are available about the graphical quality.
So once again, thanks, but don't take my words the wrong way, (and dont take any offense to me saying don't misinterpret my words, I don't mean this reply in a negative way towards you at all lol)
Dang I am doin too much clarifying in this thread, but it appears necisary in a bad way lol.
I hate you! Troll, fanboy hater!
But yeah, burn...I guess I should have read your post more thoughtfully before posting my opinion, comparing it to what I thought was yours. Sorry about the inclusion.
No big deal, probably shouldn't even have said anything, cause from the sounds of this thread so far, doesn't matter how much I clarify things, I am still going to be lumped into one group or another, depending on who is spinning my words which way they choose.
ganton any comparison ss you do wont prove anything. just like no one can prove DF > lotro....its all opinion please give it a rest guys
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
ganton any comparison ss you do wont prove anything. just like no one can prove DF > lotro....its all opinion please give it a rest guys
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
That was an extremely... extremely weak "review". Oh gosh, the pictures were ok aswell, didn't show anything special that made the article stand out.
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There is only one person attacking opinions here. And it is not me.
No offense Originale, but when it comes down to graphics (actual graphics), its basically math. There can be clear answers that aren't based on opinion. When there are things like Resolution, Pixel Count, Hexigon count, etc etc it can be broken down into "Which is better" without it being based off of pure opinion. And when it comes down to the true nitty gritty of TECHNICALITY, (as what he was trying to break it down to), Darkfall doesn't match up with AoC OR LOTRO.
Does that mean that everyone likes LOTRO graphics more then Darkfall graphics, not at all, because that is personal opinion, but just because some people don't like LOTRO graphics more then Darkfall does that mean Darkfall thus has better graphics? NO, because opinions aren't taken into account when deciding what is better TECHNICALLY. For example, if DF has a 5, and LOTRO has a 10, but some people think that DF deserves a 15, does that mean that DF has a 15? no. It just means that some people like that sorta thing, which is perfectly fine.
What you keep doing, is trying to strike ganton down for "Saying his opinion is better then yours", when really what he keeps trying to tell you, is that he isn't basing his argument off of Opinion, but actual facts, (even tho he is going about it the wrong way, by not portraying the facts well, and instead just going about and saying "hey those shadows dont look as good as those" which is opinion, but if you DO actually break it down to numbers, the shadows of DF [in the preview items] don't match up with LOTRO, even tho that doesn't have an impact on what gamers like about the game)
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Originale, you are being a bit stuck up, and flaming anyone who you think is Anti-Darkfall, you should calm down on that a bit, and be a bit more opened minded. When the game comes out, and everything is "at max", then the real reviews can be done, until then we wait.
Ganton, you are on the right path, but need to word things better, and use more facts and slightly less opinion when you try to break things down "technically".
Wow! Im glad someone understands my point lol.
Aint that the truth, i've just read this entire thread and can honestly say that Ganton is the kind of person who HAS to be right, even when it's mere opinions he's stating.. HIS opinions..... others have posted their opinions.... whats Ganton do, defend his opinions like he's being personally attacked (which he isn't)..
Ganton said it himself... "I'm tired of being right"
This mentality i'm sorry to say is just obsurd Ganton.. you've stated your opinions, end of story move on your obviously someone who thinks opinions are there to be right or wrong. THEY'RE NOT....
Nothing you've posted proves anything in any way shape or form.. how long has LotRo been out? over a year now as i played it for about a year but wasn't there at launch, how many updates and UI changes has it gone through? how many graphic tweaks? you see where i'm going with this Ganton? just over a year full of updates and changes is what makes your arguments on DF vs LotRo graphics flawed.. your looking at a pre release vs 14 month old game (roughly 14 months i think)..
Thanks I thought I was going crazy there for a second.
The highlighted part of what I quoted is also the only part that anyone really needs to see to understand where im coming from.
And again I get acused of flaming EVERYONE who is antidf when that is still just a cop out for whatever. Because I clearly do agree with skeptics who support their arguements and share a lot of their concerns about DF myself.
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Unfortunatly other screens show that the shadows are just as good if not better than lotro. He just picked one of many to try to make himself continue to be "tired of being right".
I see what you are saying but I have to disagree. Mainly because a lot of the trolls base their arugements on "the game isnt out yet, so how do you know what the game is like...have you played it?"
So when someone takes one screenshot of prerelease and claims that it is FACT that lotro > df in technical graphics then it is just wrong because the game isnt out yet and we have seen multiple versions of DF graphics and do not know what they are capable of.
So all ganton can really argue is that in HIS OPINION based on the screens is that ltotro looks better to HIM.
And I can say that based on the screens, DF blows LOTRO out of the water in my opinions.
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Aint that the truth, i've just read this entire thread and can honestly say that Ganton is the kind of person who HAS to be right, even when it's mere opinions he's stating.. HIS opinions..... others have posted their opinions.... whats Ganton do, defend his opinions like he's being personally attacked (which he isn't)..
Ganton said it himself... "I'm tired of being right"
This mentality i'm sorry to say is just obsurd Ganton.. you've stated your opinions, end of story move on your obviously someone who thinks opinions are there to be right or wrong. THEY'RE NOT....
Nothing you've posted proves anything in any way shape or form.. how long has LotRo been out? over a year now as i played it for about a year but wasn't there at launch, how many updates and UI changes has it gone through? how many graphic tweaks? you see where i'm going with this Ganton? just over a year full of updates and changes is what makes your arguments on DF vs LotRo graphics flawed.. your looking at a pre release vs 14 month old game (roughly 14 months i think)..
Thanks I thought I was going crazy there for a second.
The highlighted part of what I quoted is also the only part that anyone really needs to see to understand where im coming from.
And again I get acused of flaming EVERYONE who is antidf when that is still just a cop out for whatever. Because I clearly do agree with skeptics who support their arguements and share a lot of their concerns about DF myself.
Yea I called you an Anti-DF, but thats because I don't actually read too many threads on MMORPG, because the biased opinions are hardly ever near neutral, but from thew few DF/Anti-DF threads, I have yet to see you make consessions to the Anti-DF's, but maybe that's because you do it in PM's, and over MSN and stuff, which is fine, but like I said, how am I supposed to know wether you can be flexible or not, if I have yet to see you do it. (Seriously not tryin to be offensive, just logical).
And from Gantons perspective, I can see why he said that, he wasn't saying that "He is always right", but more so that you keep trying to crack down on "failures in his logic" that aren't really "failed logic", just your perspective that he is being overly opinionated.
::blink - blink:: OMG...someone thinks DF's graphics(if the game is real - still have my doubts) are better than LotR Online? Pulleeaasseee....someone have that dudes eyes checked. With that being said...graphics do not make the game. Who knows, maybe DF will be a real game and have good game play. Game play will always be > than graphics.
Unfortunatly other screens show that the shadows are just as good if not better than lotro. He just picked one of many to try to make himself continue to be "tired of being right".
I see what you are saying but I have to disagree. Mainly because a lot of the trolls base their arugements on "the game isnt out yet, so how do you know what the game is like...have you played it?"
So when someone takes one screenshot of prerelease and claims that it is FACT that lotro > df in technical graphics then it is just wrong because the game isnt out yet and we have seen multiple versions of DF graphics and do not know what they are capable of.
So all ganton can really argue is that in HIS OPINION based on the screens is that ltotro looks better to HIM.
And I can say that based on the screens, DF blows LOTRO out of the water in my opinions.
You do have a good point that unless the game is released, you can't actually say the game has bad graphics, so I will give you that.
So, I will restate my argument-
From the evidence I have seen (the video that was put out by Adventurine, and a few leaked photoes here and there), LOTRO and especially AOC has higher quality then those leaks. Does that mean that Darkfall can still pop its head up on release with great graphics we have never heard about, yea, but do you HONESTLY think that will happen? (serious question, because I have heard many games, including AoC state things like "The game performance is bad because its still in beta, on release all the debug stuff will be taken out, and the quality won't be locked on low" just to find out they were blowin smoke up my butt)
And like I said, your opinion is fine how it is, that LOTRO's graphics aren't for you compaired to Darkfall leaks, which is fine, but when it comes down to technical terms, and the nitty gritty math behind the engines, LOTRO would appear to have a higher quality of graphics then what has been leaked SO FAR.
So, are we good?
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.
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Serious question:
If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows.
And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
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Yes they do... and go ahead and post those screenshots I'd like to see them myself if they exist.
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
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If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
Very cool if true.
The reports from the journalist mention how the weather, like fog, can graphically effect the outcome of a battle. I have never heard something like that from Lotro so it is one of many reasons why I dont really agree with anyone thinking that at this point in the development, they can claim that lotro is technically better than DF graphically.
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You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
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Leave opinions at the door.
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
Very cool if true.
The reports from the journalist mention how the weather, like fog, can graphically effect the outcome of a battle. I have never heard something like that from Lotro so it is one of many reasons why I dont really agree with anyone thinking that at this point in the development, they can claim that lotro is technically better than DF graphically.
Even if that were relevant, you have no proof of whatsoever so you cant claim it to be, lotro would still technically be graphically superior to darkfall due to things like texture resolution, bump mapping, pixel density etc..
If memory serves me right the shadows do move with the sun in LOTRO. It's been months since I last played, though.
Very cool if true.
The reports from the journalist mention how the weather, like fog, can graphically effect the outcome of a battle. I have never heard something like that from Lotro so it is one of many reasons why I dont really agree with anyone thinking that at this point in the development, they can claim that lotro is technically better than DF graphically.
Apparently you're just going to side step everything I say, and point out things that are irrelevent -.-
Those kinds of things are considered Engine Physics, they determine not what things look like, but what they do. They don't determine the quality of a cloud, but what it can do (IE move), which has no bearing on the quality of cloud. If you prefer a cloud to move, instead of stand still, that becomes opinion.
Ok, since no one wants to talk about things that don't directly pertain to opinion, I will just stop spouting my retoric.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
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Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
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Chavez y Chavez
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
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Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
He was obviously using caps to emphasize those words. You cant seriously say you think he was yelling lol. Sounds like you just want a reason to not listen to someone who has different views as yours.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
TLDR-
Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
Hmm, I don't recall asking if you read anything I have posted... But thats cool if you haven't, I have a pretty low post count, so I can see why you would miss my posts.
And I would have to be a really odd person to yell at random intervals at 2 or 3 spots within a 2 paragraph block of text, so I guess the only other possible meaning for all caps would be.... To put emphasis on those words? No, that couldn't be it, thats CRAZY!
If you people would stop trying to discredit everything I say, by pointing out the irrelevent (IE omg he posted a couple words in ALL CAPS, omg! or but what about what the engine that we have yet to see much of anything about be capable of) then maybe you would actually be able to read my words, understand the meaning behind them, and comprehend the actual thoughts I am trying to convey.
But until you can do the afore mentioned, it really is a lost cause, and I really don't like saying that, because it makes me sound like I am trying to put you guys down in some way or another, and I am not. I am sure you guys are probably cool guys in your own way, but you just can't allow my words to enter your thought process for whatever reason, and you know what? I am fine with that, but I am also done trying...
Gratz....
flame away i don't care but once again everyone is gunna get caught up in the whole this is the great mmorpg i been waiting on lol.
and everytime just let down and the game fail's. i don't get excited about a new game any more you have all proved that to me many time's.
hope it work's out i really do but i wouldn't get all worked up yet.
btw graphic's look like crap so hope the gameplay for the defender's sake is all that cheer's:)
Yeah, I would also love to see the game's engine at work. As things are now, I'm in the same boat, methosk. There's just not enough proof and too many claims. Weren't "waves" of invitations supposed to be coming this week? I want in!
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Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Yeah, I would also love to see the game's engine at work. As things are now, I'm in the same boat, methosk. There's just not enough proof and too many claims. Weren't "waves" of invitations supposed to be coming this week? I want in!
I appreciate that you are getting behind some of my statements, but I just want to be clear that I am not taking sides on DF Fans and Anti DF's. And by which, my stateing that there hasn't been enough info about the engine, didn't in any way mean that I don't think its good, or real or anything like that, just that there isn't enough info (actual facts) about it for it to be judge or compaired in a numberical or statistical way, which is why I choose not to debate on it, but rather the info and leaks (video and photo) that are available about the graphical quality.
So once again, thanks, but don't take my words the wrong way, (and dont take any offense to me saying don't misinterpret my words, I don't mean this reply in a negative way towards you at all lol)
Dang I am doin too much clarifying in this thread, but it appears necisary in a bad way lol.
I appreciate that you are getting behind some of my statements, but I just want to be clear that I am not taking sides on DF Fans and Anti DF's. And by which, my stateing that there hasn't been enough info about the engine, didn't in any way mean that I don't think its good, or real or anything like that, just that there isn't enough info (actual facts) about it for it to be judge or compaired in a numberical or statistical way, which is why I choose not to debate on it, but rather the info and leaks (video and photo) that are available about the graphical quality.
So once again, thanks, but don't take my words the wrong way, (and dont take any offense to me saying don't misinterpret my words, I don't mean this reply in a negative way towards you at all lol)
Dang I am doin too much clarifying in this thread, but it appears necisary in a bad way lol.
I hate you! Troll, fanboy hater!
But yeah, burn...I guess I should have read your post more thoughtfully before posting my opinion, comparing it to what I thought was yours. Sorry about the inclusion.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
I appreciate that you are getting behind some of my statements, but I just want to be clear that I am not taking sides on DF Fans and Anti DF's. And by which, my stateing that there hasn't been enough info about the engine, didn't in any way mean that I don't think its good, or real or anything like that, just that there isn't enough info (actual facts) about it for it to be judge or compaired in a numberical or statistical way, which is why I choose not to debate on it, but rather the info and leaks (video and photo) that are available about the graphical quality.
So once again, thanks, but don't take my words the wrong way, (and dont take any offense to me saying don't misinterpret my words, I don't mean this reply in a negative way towards you at all lol)
Dang I am doin too much clarifying in this thread, but it appears necisary in a bad way lol.
I hate you! Troll, fanboy hater!
But yeah, burn...I guess I should have read your post more thoughtfully before posting my opinion, comparing it to what I thought was yours. Sorry about the inclusion.
No big deal, probably shouldn't even have said anything, cause from the sounds of this thread so far, doesn't matter how much I clarify things, I am still going to be lumped into one group or another, depending on who is spinning my words which way they choose.
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
That was an extremely... extremely weak "review". Oh gosh, the pictures were ok aswell, didn't show anything special that made the article stand out.
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