It looks so old school and I love it reminds me of oblivion and all the great open world single player games going way back. When it comes out there will be two camps as always. 1st camp will be screaming about how its exactly what we need and want because its open PvP, limited quests and its built for hardcore players. The 2nd camp will be screaming about how its too difficult, lacks direction and how there is nothing telling you what to do. Pretty much the same negative stuff about EVE in its early life.
On the graphics side, I thought they were quite good mostly. Characters are on par with WAR maybe even slightly better but the environment is in between WAR and AoC imo. I like the big feel of the trees etc. AoC you dont always get that feeling that you are small compared to the rest of the world, unless on top of a mountain.
Real aiming and directing your heals properly is great. Tactics will be the rule in this game or you lose. Bring it on
ganton any comparison ss you do wont prove anything. just like no one can prove DF > lotro....its all opinion please give it a rest guys
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
yup ganton you won the interwebz. oh and good job making a new thread that was basically a flame that got removed almost instantly. you are the mature one here.
Serious question: If you stand by a tree in lotro...and watch the shadow the tree gives. Will the shadow change as the day goes on and the sun moves in the sky? Because according to the journalists who reviewed a preview of the game, DF does that regarding shadows. And i could post a few old screenshots that show the shadows in DF much more than that shot ganton went for to try and prove his point that he had to be right.
You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have ).
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong .
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
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Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
Hmm, I don't recall asking if you read anything I have posted... But thats cool if you haven't, I have a pretty low post count, so I can see why you would miss my posts.
And I would have to be a really odd person to yell at random intervals at 2 or 3 spots within a 2 paragraph block of text, so I guess the only other possible meaning for all caps would be.... To put emphasis on those words? No, that couldn't be it, thats CRAZY!
If you people would stop trying to discredit everything I say, by pointing out the irrelevent (IE omg he posted a couple words in ALL CAPS, omg! or but what about what the engine that we have yet to see much of anything about be capable of) then maybe you would actually be able to read my words, understand the meaning behind them, and comprehend the actual thoughts I am trying to convey.
But until you can do the afore mentioned, it really is a lost cause, and I really don't like saying that, because it makes me sound like I am trying to put you guys down in some way or another, and I am not. I am sure you guys are probably cool guys in your own way, but you just can't allow my words to enter your thought process for whatever reason, and you know what? I am fine with that, but I am also done trying...
Gratz....
Ok, so I guess I will reply one more time.
So, the green part, because I think you are a little blind and lacking on word comphrension yourself, is where you quoted me. The orange part is where you began talking after quoting me. Most often after quoting someone the following response is directed at them unless stated otherwise. Read your first sentence in the orange highlighted area. Looks to me like you're asking if I skipped everything you posted to which I replied that I sure did. As far as the caps thing, whatever. I can see where you might do that. I just usually italicize words I emphasize. Tomato, tamato.
As for trying to discredit "everthing" you say, heh, honestly, man, and I don't mean this in a hostile way, but I don't know you well enough to even care about what you say. Much less spend any of my time trying to "discredit you". I addressed originalegg and only them in this thread. It's unfortunate you took my words as some kind of affront on you but as I stated before I never even looked at any of what you had to say. Looking at them now I can fully understand the meaning of what you have written. I don't care, though, and your words don't move me to agree with you. You may accept something as a fact, which is fine. Another person may not. Numbers can be manipulated to say/show anything. Your numbers may be right with regard to polygon count, ect. That still doesn't change the point in my mind that more numbers by default for everyone on this planet makes the one with higher numbers better. It only proves it has higher numbers.
Either way, I'm not personally attacking you or your thoughts. In my opinion graphical beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder and no one person can tell another person what looks good to to them. You can say it's more smooth, less jagged, brighter colors, ect. But as to whether it looks better, sorry. You can only define that for yourself.
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Originally posted by originalegg Originally posted by ganton Originally posted by winter Originally posted by originalegg ganton any comparison ss you do wont prove anything. just like no one can prove DF > lotro....its all opinion please give it a rest guys
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ? Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
yup ganton you won the interwebz. oh and good job making a new thread that was basically a flame that got removed almost instantly. you are the mature one here. /sarcasm
woah woah woah!! dude...stop talking about maturity...your WAY out of your league on that one. Obviously he is the mature one since he doesnt go rushing into battle and post on every damn DF thread cuz he likes seeing his own txt.
As for graphics...YES AoC and LoTR totally BEATS DF BY FAR in that area. As for the screen shots on the OP...meh..crap and although they look to be real, I can imagine parts of them were photoshopped. Im sorry but its a well known FACT that everyone in beta agrees to the NDA. If regular testers cant show anything, than that post is not a credible source. If it was there would be in game screens on THIS site. Even IGN would not dare break the NDA for any beta.
I seriously hope those graphics are on lowest setting, noway in hell those come close to lotro or aoc graphics like people were saying in another thread.
default beta graphics, and it STILL beats LotRO
how does it beat lotro?? from what i see there lotro beats it in every aspect form lighting, shadows, texture res, style...everything
LotRO runs on a very polished AC2 engine, thats from early 2000. The graphics are very pretty, seem like a nice fantasy painting, but you can see where the limitations of the engine shows through, the trees especially. LotRO is pretty, but its not the top graphic beast to beat. The games with the best graphics on the market right now are Vanguard and AoC.
Why are you changing topic??? I never was saying LOTRO is the best, I know AOC is waaay better then anything else out there as Ive played everything else lol. You said Darkfall>LOTRO and Im asking you to prove it. I can easily pull up picks from LOTRO and Darkfall and clearly show how LOTRO is better in every aspect if you want.
And what does AOC sacrifice to deliver near single player level graphics for a MMO? That's right they shove you into little tiny boxes and connect them together and give you 4 linear paths to move through them. They offer you siege, but they shove you yet again into a tiny box to do it. Collect resources, another tiny box. Lotro is also about as shallow as a teaspoon when compare with gameplay and freedom in Darkfall. Those tree's in Lotro don't exactly stay there do they with view distance?
The review has confirmed that all the promises for this game seem to be in. If that's half true, then it's far more deeper and richer in gameplay than WOW, LOTRO, AOC, WAR combined! If you think one game is better than another based on graphics, then you my friend are sadly mistaken. The indie gaming scene is thriving on the Pc, or did you fail to notice?
any comparison ss you do wont prove anything. just like no one can prove DF > lotro....its all opinion
please give it a rest guys
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
yup ganton you won the interwebz. oh and good job making a new thread that was basically a flame that got removed almost instantly. you are the mature one here.
/sarcasm
woah woah woah!! dude...stop talking about maturity...your WAY out of your league on that one. Obviously he is the mature one since he doesnt go rushing into battle and post on every damn DF thread cuz he likes seeing his own txt.
As for graphics...YES AoC and LoTR totally BEATS DF BY FAR in that area. As for the screen shots on the OP...meh..crap and although they look to be real, I can imagine parts of them were photoshopped. Im sorry but its a well known FACT that everyone in beta agrees to the NDA. If regular testers cant show anything, than that post is not a credible source. If it was there would be in game screens on THIS site. Even IGN would not dare break the NDA for any beta.
nice to see you continue to bash games without knowing anything about them...
oh and please teach me your matureways......maybe something like how to make blog posts that do nothing but flame other posters cause you get all worked up in a thread....and the have your blogs deleted by mods for harrasment. mature....
DF > Lotro im my opinion...others opinoins too....lots of em. And you are certainly welcome tothink otherwise.
no offense death, but the second post in this thread was sarcastic. your thread is like the 4th thread on this topic and it has been discussed to death.
Darkfall graphics at worste are terrible. At best , they are mediocre and don't go beyond something you'd see from 2003'ish.
The animations are basic crap. Really strange how they didn't care about motion capture animations which you can get made for like $90 a pop.
The art style and direction is shit. The overall modelling work is basic, generic stuff. The texturing work again is basic, generic stuff and some of it borders on just plain bad.
The engine does not even use standard things like Normal mapping, Per pixel lighting. It's old as sin.
Anyone who thinks the game has better graphics than LOTRO needs to go get sterilized so they dont' spead their genes around.
Looks good to me. Lets just hope is runs alright and it's a buy for me.
Not too sure why anyone cares about graphics though. If anything, Blizzard proved graphics don't make a game.
looks good to me too man....and a whole lot of other people too!
and yea, they beat the hell out of WoW, WAR etc graphics....but thats not why anyone is hyped about the game...its just an added bonus that the graphics are turning out to be so good.
looks good to me too man....and a whole lot of other people too! No actually they don't look good to most people. I suggest you go read all the comments posted about that last video trailer at gametrailers.com if you want an idea of what people think of the graphics.. or if you just want a good laugh. and yea, they beat the hell out of WoW, WAR etc graphics.... They do not even come CLOSE to Blizzards quality of work
but thats not why anyone is hyped about the game... What ARE they hyped about?? A generic combat simulator wiith bad graphics and animations? Because that's about all they've shown since 2003 leading up to next months release (ya right) its just an added bonus that the graphics are turning out to be so good. Ya they look amazing
looks good to me too man....and a whole lot of other people too! No actually they don't look good to most people. I suggest you go read all the comments posted about that last video trailer at gametrailers.com if you want an idea of what people think of the graphics.. or if you just want a good laugh. and yea, they beat the hell out of WoW, WAR etc graphics.... They do not even come CLOSE to Blizzards quality of work
but thats not why anyone is hyped about the game... What ARE they hyped about?? A generic combat simulator wiith bad graphics and animations? Because that's about all they've shown since 2003 leading up to next months release (ya right) its just an added bonus that the graphics are turning out to be so good. Ya they look amazing
Hehe.. are you saying that WoW have better graphics than DFO? Yes ofcourse you are..
heheheheheh
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AoC and Lotro are sterile worlds made from plastic. They are pleasant to look at but serve no function whatsoever. It's like buying a cheap car, and dressing it up in a racing kit. It looks like it will do 200 mph but its just for show. Darkfall may not gleam and glitter, but it has weather systems, night and day, animals can even smell you! Lotro or AoC aren't bad games, DF is another league entirely.
AoC and Lotro are sterile worlds made from plastic. They are pleasant to look at but serve no function whatsoever. It's like buying a cheap car, and dressing it up in a racing kit. It looks like it will do 200 mph but its just for show. Darkfall may not gleam and glitter, but it has weather systems, night and day, animals can even smell you! Lotro or AoC aren't bad games, DF is another league entirely.
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DF > WoW and it isnt even close IN MY OPINION and the opinion of many others!
Your comparison here makes no sence at all as your comparing a cityscape scene from far away with a WoW scene really close up to the charecter models.
Not that im saying WoW has good graphics, but in the end you do yourself no favours by posting biassed comparisons like this.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
DF > WoW and it isnt even close IN MY OPINION and the opinion of many others!
Your comparison here makes no sence at all as your comparing a cityscape scene from far away with a WoW scene really close up to the charecter models.
Not that im saying WoW has good graphics, but in the end you do yourself no favours by posting biassed comparisons like this.
You do yourself no favour believing any comparsion between WoW and DF is worthwhile.
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I seriously hope those graphics are on lowest setting, noway in hell those come close to lotro or aoc graphics like people were saying in another thread.
I guess you haven't played AoC? If you had you would understand why gameplay > graphics.
I actually do play AOC and own but dont currently play LOTRO. I was saying nothing about Darkfall's gameplay, for all we know it could be the best thing since canned cheese but we wont know thtat till its released. All I was saying was that the graphics come no were close to lotro or aoc which people were claiming in another thread, anyone who isnt blind can obviously see from looking at the screenshots that the graphic level is nowere close to those 2 games and you can bring up artistic style or whatever you want but technologically aoc and lotro blow away darkfall in graphics.
Its all in the eye of the player and his opinion , i my self like Df grafix better than anything on the market today , its got that old school look and feel , its Gritty and dark and sets the mood perfect for the game and its setting. Lotro i never realy liked the grafix , they look good and great in some places ( i play it with Dx10) but still its not the type of grafix i realy like , its not realistic enough for my taste and im sure im not the only one , they are almost a mix of realistic and cartoony grafix . AoC on high settigs looks great also in most cases , but thats it , and on low setting it looks like crap imo , and doing sieges in low settings and still getting crap fps ( at launch ) was just terrible, and thats not even touching on some of the textures and grafix glitches etc etc.
Point is to some DF grafix are great in most cases , personaly i wouldnt want them any other way , not sure if i would be so omg interested if it didnt have that old school gritty dark mideval look and feeling to it, every time i see another screen shot it makes me want to play even more.
completely agree. i think they fit the setting perfectly.
The fact is, online rpgs have never been made or broken based upon graphics. Everquest was the first smash hit MMO. It just barely passed as an adequate 3d environment even when it came out. I loved it, but not for the graphics. Rather for its provision of a dynamic multiplayer 3D environment.
When WoW came out, it was much lower on the polygon count than any concurrent game, including the upgraded EQ character models. No one needs to speak for WoW's success.
Through the 90s, people were huddling in chat rooms and muds by the thousands, before MMO's come out. If an mmo can provide a community, entertainment and a gaming challenge all wrapped in one, it will succeed regardless if the graphics are top notch. Heck, WoW succeeds without the gaming challenge with only some end game content being the exception.
Especially if its providing something new or not currently offered (like Darkfall is).
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It looks so old school and I love it reminds me of oblivion and all the great open world single player games going way back. When it comes out there will be two camps as always. 1st camp will be screaming about how its exactly what we need and want because its open PvP, limited quests and its built for hardcore players. The 2nd camp will be screaming about how its too difficult, lacks direction and how there is nothing telling you what to do. Pretty much the same negative stuff about EVE in its early life.
On the graphics side, I thought they were quite good mostly. Characters are on par with WAR maybe even slightly better but the environment is in between WAR and AoC imo. I like the big feel of the trees etc. AoC you dont always get that feeling that you are small compared to the rest of the world, unless on top of a mountain.
Real aiming and directing your heals properly is great. Tactics will be the rule in this game or you lose. Bring it on
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
yup ganton you won the interwebz. oh and good job making a new thread that was basically a flame that got removed almost instantly. you are the mature one here.
/sarcasm
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You want to post some screen shots from DarkFall? Thats cool, I would actually enjoy lookin at some more material that I am otherwise to preoccupied to look for (seriously, show me as much as you have
And as per the shadows changing direction, thats not actual graphical quality, thats engine physics I believe, correct me if I am wrong
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Originally posted by Khalathwyr
If the gameplay is more diverse then I personally don't really care how technically "better" graphics are. Though I would point out if measuring something "technically" you first have to agree on the technical scale used to measure. When dealing with graphic art, well, one person may like Picasso and another Georgia O'Keefe. Both considered greats and their works "look" different. *shrug*
I guess, since reading the the Darkfall website where they state you can make a variety of things that have use, such as a saddle for your mount, they technically have more diversity that LOTRO which makes them technically better.
EIther way, IF this game does launch and is available in the US I'll try it. Just reading their site if they pull off a polished version of the things they promise, regardless of how it looks (which it doesn't visually look horrid to me) it'll have a step up on anything launched in the last 4 years, in my opinion.[/quote]
Wow, no offense, but did you skip EVERYTHING I posted, and just jump the gun on more opinion?
We aren't talking about style, THAT CAN BE DEBATED FOR ETERNITY, we are talking about graphical aspects that pertain to ACTUAL numbers. As in Pixel Count, Hexagon count on the hero characters, etc. Things that aren't determined by "opinion", but can be broken down to numbers, and compaired. I mean what you are talking about is basically talking about the differences in DC comics and Marvel, that can be debated for ever, but what I am talking about are the differences between 100 pixels and 200 pixels, things that have numerical values -.-
TLDR-
Leave opinions at the door.
No, I can honestly say I haven't bothered to read anything you have posted on this site aside from this post I'm quoting. No offense. Additionally, as you have the need to yell (universally accepted meaning of typing in all caps) to try to communicate your thoughts I don't think I will ever respond again to anything you write. I'm just not going to take things that personal when talking about computer games.
Cheers.
Hmm, I don't recall asking if you read anything I have posted... But thats cool if you haven't, I have a pretty low post count, so I can see why you would miss my posts.
And I would have to be a really odd person to yell at random intervals at 2 or 3 spots within a 2 paragraph block of text, so I guess the only other possible meaning for all caps would be.... To put emphasis on those words? No, that couldn't be it, thats CRAZY!
If you people would stop trying to discredit everything I say, by pointing out the irrelevent (IE omg he posted a couple words in ALL CAPS, omg! or but what about what the engine that we have yet to see much of anything about be capable of) then maybe you would actually be able to read my words, understand the meaning behind them, and comprehend the actual thoughts I am trying to convey.
But until you can do the afore mentioned, it really is a lost cause, and I really don't like saying that, because it makes me sound like I am trying to put you guys down in some way or another, and I am not. I am sure you guys are probably cool guys in your own way, but you just can't allow my words to enter your thought process for whatever reason, and you know what? I am fine with that, but I am also done trying...
Gratz....
Ok, so I guess I will reply one more time.
So, the green part, because I think you are a little blind and lacking on word comphrension yourself, is where you quoted me. The orange part is where you began talking after quoting me. Most often after quoting someone the following response is directed at them unless stated otherwise. Read your first sentence in the orange highlighted area. Looks to me like you're asking if I skipped everything you posted to which I replied that I sure did. As far as the caps thing, whatever. I can see where you might do that. I just usually italicize words I emphasize. Tomato, tamato.
As for trying to discredit "everthing" you say, heh, honestly, man, and I don't mean this in a hostile way, but I don't know you well enough to even care about what you say. Much less spend any of my time trying to "discredit you". I addressed originalegg and only them in this thread. It's unfortunate you took my words as some kind of affront on you but as I stated before I never even looked at any of what you had to say. Looking at them now I can fully understand the meaning of what you have written. I don't care, though, and your words don't move me to agree with you. You may accept something as a fact, which is fine. Another person may not. Numbers can be manipulated to say/show anything. Your numbers may be right with regard to polygon count, ect. That still doesn't change the point in my mind that more numbers by default for everyone on this planet makes the one with higher numbers better. It only proves it has higher numbers.
Either way, I'm not personally attacking you or your thoughts. In my opinion graphical beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder and no one person can tell another person what looks good to to them. You can say it's more smooth, less jagged, brighter colors, ect. But as to whether it looks better, sorry. You can only define that for yourself.
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Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
yup ganton you won the interwebz. oh and good job making a new thread that was basically a flame that got removed almost instantly. you are the mature one here.
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woah woah woah!! dude...stop talking about maturity...your WAY out of your league on that one. Obviously he is the mature one since he doesnt go rushing into battle and post on every damn DF thread cuz he likes seeing his own txt.
As for graphics...YES AoC and LoTR totally BEATS DF BY FAR in that area. As for the screen shots on the OP...meh..crap and although they look to be real, I can imagine parts of them were photoshopped. Im sorry but its a well known FACT that everyone in beta agrees to the NDA. If regular testers cant show anything, than that post is not a credible source. If it was there would be in game screens on THIS site. Even IGN would not dare break the NDA for any beta.
default beta graphics, and it STILL beats LotRO
how does it beat lotro?? from what i see there lotro beats it in every aspect form lighting, shadows, texture res, style...everything
LotRO runs on a very polished AC2 engine, thats from early 2000. The graphics are very pretty, seem like a nice fantasy painting, but you can see where the limitations of the engine shows through, the trees especially. LotRO is pretty, but its not the top graphic beast to beat. The games with the best graphics on the market right now are Vanguard and AoC.
Why are you changing topic??? I never was saying LOTRO is the best, I know AOC is waaay better then anything else out there as Ive played everything else lol. You said Darkfall>LOTRO and Im asking you to prove it. I can easily pull up picks from LOTRO and Darkfall and clearly show how LOTRO is better in every aspect if you want.
And what does AOC sacrifice to deliver near single player level graphics for a MMO? That's right they shove you into little tiny boxes and connect them together and give you 4 linear paths to move through them. They offer you siege, but they shove you yet again into a tiny box to do it. Collect resources, another tiny box. Lotro is also about as shallow as a teaspoon when compare with gameplay and freedom in Darkfall. Those tree's in Lotro don't exactly stay there do they with view distance?
The review has confirmed that all the promises for this game seem to be in. If that's half true, then it's far more deeper and richer in gameplay than WOW, LOTRO, AOC, WAR combined! If you think one game is better than another based on graphics, then you my friend are sadly mistaken. The indie gaming scene is thriving on the Pc, or did you fail to notice?
Humm so once again we see its Ok for fans to say Darkfalls graphics are much better then LoTRO, or AoC's but no one should disagree with the hype? Not sure i see why there should be 2 standards. One in which Fans can say anything they want no matter how absurd, but that anyone that disagree should shut up (ie "give it a rest") ?
Personally i agree though this is getting old. The DF fans will continue to Hyperventilate and proclaim that DF's graphics are way better then AOC's and LoTRO even during 100 vs 100 battles and if any disagrees we'll just see the DF fans tell us to give it a rest. <Shrug> The game will or will not be out this year. if its not i'm sure the DF fans will make some excuse. The game will be what it will be ie the greatest game ever? Maybe. Though I'm sure if it falls short the fans will make some excuses there too. In the end I hope the Fans get what they want. I've always disliked the hype and dual standards though. I do feel I have more then spoken my piece on that though, and its obvious differeing opinions are not welcome here so no sense in beating a dead horse, as such i'll just stay out of these forums till the game IS realeased. Good luck and peace.
Im with you, I feel Ive sufficiently proven my point and I can see the fanboys cant be swayed into listening to reason so instead i'll come back to these forums if the game ever release and either congratulate them if the game is good or laugh in their faces if it sucks lol.
yup ganton you won the interwebz. oh and good job making a new thread that was basically a flame that got removed almost instantly. you are the mature one here.
/sarcasm
woah woah woah!! dude...stop talking about maturity...your WAY out of your league on that one. Obviously he is the mature one since he doesnt go rushing into battle and post on every damn DF thread cuz he likes seeing his own txt.
As for graphics...YES AoC and LoTR totally BEATS DF BY FAR in that area. As for the screen shots on the OP...meh..crap and although they look to be real, I can imagine parts of them were photoshopped. Im sorry but its a well known FACT that everyone in beta agrees to the NDA. If regular testers cant show anything, than that post is not a credible source. If it was there would be in game screens on THIS site. Even IGN would not dare break the NDA for any beta.
nice to see you continue to bash games without knowing anything about them...
oh and please teach me your matureways......maybe something like how to make blog posts that do nothing but flame other posters cause you get all worked up in a thread....and the have your blogs deleted by mods for harrasment. mature....
DF > Lotro im my opinion...others opinoins too....lots of em. And you are certainly welcome tothink otherwise.
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how about we actually talk about the review?
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no offense death, but the second post in this thread was sarcastic. your thread is like the 4th thread on this topic and it has been discussed to death.
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Darkfall graphics at worste are terrible. At best , they are mediocre and don't go beyond something you'd see from 2003'ish.
The animations are basic crap. Really strange how they didn't care about motion capture animations which you can get made for like $90 a pop.
The art style and direction is shit. The overall modelling work is basic, generic stuff. The texturing work again is basic, generic stuff and some of it borders on just plain bad.
The engine does not even use standard things like Normal mapping, Per pixel lighting. It's old as sin.
Anyone who thinks the game has better graphics than LOTRO needs to go get sterilized so they dont' spead their genes around.
Looks good to me. Lets just hope is runs alright and it's a buy for me.
Not too sure why anyone cares about graphics though. If anything, Blizzard proved graphics don't make a game.
sorry to tell you but World of Warcraft / Lich king graphics are FAR better than anythig I see in these Darkfall screenshots.
looks good to me too man....and a whole lot of other people too!
and yea, they beat the hell out of WoW, WAR etc graphics....but thats not why anyone is hyped about the game...its just an added bonus that the graphics are turning out to be so good.
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Hehe.. are you saying that WoW have better graphics than DFO? Yes ofcourse you are..
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AoC and Lotro are sterile worlds made from plastic. They are pleasant to look at but serve no function whatsoever. It's like buying a cheap car, and dressing it up in a racing kit. It looks like it will do 200 mph but its just for show. Darkfall may not gleam and glitter, but it has weather systems, night and day, animals can even smell you! Lotro or AoC aren't bad games, DF is another league entirely.
Watch Led Zeppelin, Darkfall Tribute
Watch Johnny Cash, Darkfall Tribute
DF > WoW and it isnt even close
IN MY OPINION
and the opinion of many others!
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Your comparison here makes no sence at all as your comparing a cityscape scene from far away with a WoW scene really close up to the charecter models.
Not that im saying WoW has good graphics, but in the end you do yourself no favours by posting biassed comparisons like this.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Your comparison here makes no sence at all as your comparing a cityscape scene from far away with a WoW scene really close up to the charecter models.
Not that im saying WoW has good graphics, but in the end you do yourself no favours by posting biassed comparisons like this.
You do yourself no favour believing any comparsion between WoW and DF is worthwhile.
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I guess you haven't played AoC? If you had you would understand why gameplay > graphics.
I actually do play AOC and own but dont currently play LOTRO. I was saying nothing about Darkfall's gameplay, for all we know it could be the best thing since canned cheese but we wont know thtat till its released. All I was saying was that the graphics come no were close to lotro or aoc which people were claiming in another thread, anyone who isnt blind can obviously see from looking at the screenshots that the graphic level is nowere close to those 2 games and you can bring up artistic style or whatever you want but technologically aoc and lotro blow away darkfall in graphics.
Its all in the eye of the player and his opinion , i my self like Df grafix better than anything on the market today , its got that old school look and feel , its Gritty and dark and sets the mood perfect for the game and its setting. Lotro i never realy liked the grafix , they look good and great in some places ( i play it with Dx10) but still its not the type of grafix i realy like , its not realistic enough for my taste and im sure im not the only one , they are almost a mix of realistic and cartoony grafix . AoC on high settigs looks great also in most cases , but thats it , and on low setting it looks like crap imo , and doing sieges in low settings and still getting crap fps ( at launch ) was just terrible, and thats not even touching on some of the textures and grafix glitches etc etc.
Point is to some DF grafix are great in most cases , personaly i wouldnt want them any other way , not sure if i would be so omg interested if it didnt have that old school gritty dark mideval look and feeling to it, every time i see another screen shot it makes me want to play even more.
completely agree. i think they fit the setting perfectly.
The fact is, online rpgs have never been made or broken based upon graphics. Everquest was the first smash hit MMO. It just barely passed as an adequate 3d environment even when it came out. I loved it, but not for the graphics. Rather for its provision of a dynamic multiplayer 3D environment.
When WoW came out, it was much lower on the polygon count than any concurrent game, including the upgraded EQ character models. No one needs to speak for WoW's success.
Through the 90s, people were huddling in chat rooms and muds by the thousands, before MMO's come out. If an mmo can provide a community, entertainment and a gaming challenge all wrapped in one, it will succeed regardless if the graphics are top notch. Heck, WoW succeeds without the gaming challenge with only some end game content being the exception.
Especially if its providing something new or not currently offered (like Darkfall is).