Originally posted by markoraos Oh well so it is ok to post crap on this and other forums then. Lol I remember when the game realeased how the hateboy mercenaries were all over the game saying "stay away form it -it has no engame PvE". Of course it all turned out to be an intentional lie because now we have those very same "concerned citizens" saying - "stay away from the game! It's endgame requires PvE!" Loool.. I'm not saying that game doesn't have its flaws and I never claimed otherwise. What I'm saying is that I really cannot explain this massive glee some people seem to experience when they see a game fail - in fact it seems that it gives them so much pleasure they will actively go and invent bullshit just in order to create a negative atmosphere.... and then they'll smugly go back to WoW. I might be stubborn but I'm not dumb. The writing's on the wall for everyone to read - if WAR fails then there is no future for MMOs. If EA with all its money and a stellar design team failed to beat WoW 's massive inertia then there is no chance for anyone else in the market. Just like AoC's failure hurt WAR so is WAR's failure going to hurt any other future MMO. What we might get in the end is the fulfillment of the old prophecy "Only WoW2 can beat WoW" and you know what that will mean - complete death of innovation and progression in MMOs because Bliz does what Bliz does best. WoW stopped MMO evolution for at least 5 years, many would say it actually set it back. If WAR fails then there is no hope for the genre whatsoever - WoW2 or whatever Blizzard's next mmo is going to be is probably going to be even more bland, plastic and shallow than WoW is. FFS WoW made EQ look deep, complex and freeform. Christ!
Somehow I think the MMO genre will be just fine if Warhammer craps out. EA has been buying up forward thinking companies for years and grinding them into oblivion and fun PC games still seem to hit the market just fine. Perhaps companies will FINALLY get the message about releasing games before they are A) ready and finished enough to compete.
Perhaps the problem is the mega giant companies thinking they can just rush any POS MMO out the door and make buckets of money, because people will feel obligated to give the game time to develop after release.
The game that "beats" WoW will come from someone who isn't overlorded by some corporate jackass that forces a game to release early. A studio 38, metaplace or some other company that gives their devs a little freedom. I don't know who it will be, but someone will start a new trend as things always do. MMO populations will eventually even out across a broad spectrum of games, but not until developers learn to take their time.
In the meantime all your "hateboy" rubbish is useless. It isn't solving the problem, it isn't even addressing the problem and it sure isn't covering up the problem. It just makes you some irrational crusader who sees their entire MMO future locked up in the success of one game and is desperate for it to succeed, even to the point of complete blindness to any opposing viewpoints being discussed.
Tearing down the people who have criticisms doesn't build up the game at all. It just makes you incapable of discussing the issues presented.
WoW gets bashed as much as any other game so saying WAR gets unfair treatment is not true. The number one problem with WAR is simply Scenarios drawing people away from oRvR, until people like you accept that fact scenarios will continue to provide easy xp, boring people out, people quitting from grinding those scenarios and then leaving the servers empty (in that order).
Blaming people on forums for the state of the game as it is now is dilusional.
Lol mate I warned Mythic on the dangers of scenarios sucking people away from open RvR A YEAR before the release. You should hear what I say about WAR on WHA boards.
However, on WHA I can afford to be critical but not here. It is you and wow fanbois like you who can't stand any other game to succeed and will do anything to hinder it that make me what I am on these boards.
WAR has its flaws, oh boy it does have them, and not all of them are fixable. However it is a great game nevertheless and I enjoy it immensely and I would hurt if it failed, and especially if it happened through no serious fault of its own.
Please tell me why do you and your fellow haters find so much joy in other games' difficulties? I'm really curious - is that a spurned lover thing? What is it? "You bastards turned your back to my baby! I hope you suffer!" Is it really that good for you? Does it make you feel righteous?
Haha, that is what you do to WoW. People like me just want a decent pvp game to play and dispair when it doesn't live up to it's promises. You on the other hand are so focused on protecting WAR at all costs that you help adding to it's demise without realising it.
Good god man, all I see on these forums is your constant barrage of hatred toward WoW. What on earth has this game done to you to incite such bitter and vitriolic scorn? Sure this game is not for everyone, and I can respect that, but you carry on as if Blizzard have personally driven to your house and murdered each and every one of your family. Calm down! WoW isn't going to die any time soon, and contrary to popular belief, it is NOT to blame for all the ills of the world, nor the current state of the MMO industry (you can thank spineless developers and fat cat publishers for that).
WoW is a monopolist and monopolists all behave in the same way: maximize profits by decreasing investment as much as possible - simply because they can. The customers have nowhere else to go.
FFS the prime reason WoTLK introduced that "world PvP" and those achievement titles is WAR. Do you think Blizzard would bother with those if there wasn't WAR as potential competition? Looool. Players have been asking for those things for the past 4 years and it was always "manjana" (that's "tomorrow" for you). Lol, if some poor dev at Bliz said "hey lets put those things in" a suit would come up with "what for? why should we spend money on these things when the players have nowhere else to go? You'd be hurting our percentages with unnecessary investments man. You're fired."
I thought it self evident what's happening here. You WoW guys will get hurt more with WAR's failure than its success. You'll get a lazy corp which doesn't care because it has no one to compete with... as was the case before serious competition appeared on the horizon. It'll be a Pyrrhic victory indeed.
WoW gets bashed as much as any other game so saying WAR gets unfair treatment is not true. The number one problem with WAR is simply Scenarios drawing people away from oRvR, until people like you accept that fact scenarios will continue to provide easy xp, boring people out, people quitting from grinding those scenarios and then leaving the servers empty (in that order).
Blaming people on forums for the state of the game as it is now is dilusional.
Lol mate I warned Mythic on the dangers of scenarios sucking people away from open RvR A YEAR before the release. You should hear what I say about WAR on WHA boards.
However, on WHA I can afford to be critical but not here. It is you and wow fanbois like you who can't stand any other game to succeed and will do anything to hinder it that make me what I am on these boards.
WAR has its flaws, oh boy it does have them, and not all of them are fixable. However it is a great game nevertheless and I enjoy it immensely and I would hurt if it failed, and especially if it happened through no serious fault of its own.
Please tell me why do you and your fellow haters find so much joy in other games' difficulties? I'm really curious - is that a spurned lover thing? What is it? "You bastards turned your back to my baby! I hope you suffer!" Is it really that good for you? Does it make you feel righteous?
Haha, that is what you do to WoW. People like me just want a decent pvp game to play and dispair when it doesn't live up to it's promises. You on the other hand are so focused on protecting WAR at all costs that you help adding to it's demise without realising it.
Oh really? So your way of helping the game is to completely smear and bury it before it gets a chance to right itself out?
You are a total hypocrite.
WAR has problems which have gone steadily worse due to bleeding off of player population. The core problems of the game that you are so hung up about can all be fixed or at least worked around given enough time... and the devs have acknowledged them all and are working on them. The first big patch will DIRECTLY address the problems of Open RvR content and its rewards as well as the impact of scenarios on the game.
What else do you want?
You see I actually care about the game. When I list its flaws I do it to be constructive. What you do is present anything you can in the absolutely worst possible light.
Lol many is the time I actually defended WoW for its strong points. I say it has a lot of flaws which I find intolerable but it has a lot of good stuff about it as well. I never EVER saw you or your ilk acknowledge ANYTHING positive about WAR. FFS when Mythic announced they're putting new classes in the game it was a "bad thing" . When they gave out a whole new scenario for free it was a "bad thing". It seems everything is bad in this game for you and yet is me who is called raving and biased. Lol. Just plain lol.
WoW only has a monoply on the market due to the FAILURES of other companies. Nothing more need be said about that. The problem isn't blizzard, the problem is everyone else.
Trust me, warhammer can fail and things will go on. It might be the end for you personally due to your investment in this games future, but MMOs will be fine and might actually come out better in the long run if developers start taking releases a little more serious.
Also, maybe you should stop labeling everyone for a while. A lot of the people you call wow-boys really really really want to be fans of some other game like Warhammer. You are acting just like the crazed Vanguard fans did around Vanguards release. Blaming the players, blaming other games, yelling at anyone who says anything negative. They sure helped speed that game to a quick demise you know?
Maybe it is time Mythic manned up and opened some forums to face their customers concerns with some direct feedback and public discussion.
Originally posted by markoraos I might be stubborn but I'm not dumb. The writing's on the wall for everyone to read - if WAR fails then there is no future for MMOs. If EA with all its money and a stellar design team failed to budge WoW 's massive inertia then there is no chance for anyone else in the market. Just like AoC's failure hurt WAR so is WAR's failure going to hurt any other future MMO. There is a global crisis going on guys. Do you think anyone would invest in a AAA MMO if they saw goddamn EA fail at it? No.. they'll all say aw screw it - there are safer investments than that. If EA + Mythic can't even attempt at WoW then that's it, good bye mmos. That's plain economic sense. Money talks.
God no, I think the market will be fine sans WAR. What did WAR offer that was incrementally different from any other fantasy themepark? That's the issue, and really why WAR is faltering.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Good god man, all I see on these forums is your constant barrage of hatred toward WoW. What on earth has this game done to you to incite such bitter and vitriolic scorn? Sure this game is not for everyone, and I can respect that, but you carry on as if Blizzard have personally driven to your house and murdered each and every one of your family. Calm down! WoW isn't going to die any time soon, and contrary to popular belief, it is NOT to blame for all the ills of the world, nor the current state of the MMO industry (you can thank spineless developers and fat cat publishers for that).
WoW is a monopolist and monopolists all behave in the same way: maximize profits by decreasing investment as much as possible - simply because they can. The customers have nowhere else to go.
FFS the prime reason WoTLK introduced that "world PvP" and those achievement titles is WAR. Do you think Blizzard would bother with those if there wasn't WAR as potential competition? Looool. Players have been asking for those things for the past 4 years and it was always "manjana" (that's "tomorrow" for you). Lol, if some poor dev at Bliz said "hey lets put those things in" a suit would come up with "what for? why should we spend money on these things when the players have nowhere else to go? You'd be hurting our percentages with unnecessary investments man. You're fired."
I thought it self evident what's happening here. You WoW guys will get hurt more with WAR's failure than its success. You'll get a lazy corp which doesn't care because it has no one to compete with... as was the case before serious competition appeared on the horizon. It'll be a Pyrrhic victory indeed.
You are being very ignorant. Basic business sense will tell you that you do not maintain the lion's share of the market, nor increase your customer base year on year by becoming complacent.
Sure Blizzard have taken ideas from WAR and countless other games, but to ignore such features that are quite clearly popular through selfish pride would be madness. Call it stealing if you will. I call it excellent business acumen and a fundamental requirement of survival in a competetive market.
Trust me, if Mythic were in Blizzards position they would be acting exactly the same. These are businesses, not charities established to create your perfect game. They will respond to what the majority wants - and the majority wants what WoW provides. The subscription numbers speak for themselves.
Sure you can innovate, but you risk disrupting the status quo and slicing your playerbase down the middle. Blizzard have built too much of an empire to take such a risk. Even games that launched with supposedly innovative and original gameplay aren't guaranteed success (Auto Assualt and TR, anyone?).
I find WAR a much better game than WoW, because it is on many levels. Ofc this is a subjective thing because I find those points important to me. People who prefer WoW might like other things that WoW is better in, but here is what won me over from WoW.
PvP is better.
PQs are a completely novel type of content in mmos and they solve a lot of PvE problems plaguing the genre until now.
I find instanced PvE better. I'm not talking about those silly things in T2 Altdorf. I'm talking about Mt Gunbad onward.
There is open PvP.
You can enjoy all the gameplay from rank 1. You don't have to level to max to start playing.
It supports casual playstyle as well as hardcores.
Guild system is awesome.. Levels, buffs , banners..
etc, etc, etc.
It has its flaws but by Jove it has its merits as well!
And yet the game is being contantly harrassed and attacked here. It is uncanny. It is downright strange and spooky.
I got all hyped up about Hellgate: London and the game failed and was hacked up. Fair is fair. Now I see WAR being hacked up even more aggressively but if you look at it objectively it doesn't suck! I see it has problems and could use tuning up but it is nowhere near a failure that some people keep repeating here. It is a very very good solid game and it is better than WoW in a lot of categories.
So how come it is being attacked and harrassed EVEN MORE than some true failures? Will someone explain that to me?
So how come it is being attacked and harrassed EVEN MORE than some true failures? Will someone explain that to me?
You perceive it that way, because you have so much personally invested in the game. To you if Warhammer fails then all of MMO universe is doomed and will wither up and die. Your tale is one of desperation and lack of objectivity. For example you bash WoW for many of the same reasons that are killing Warhammer, but working rather well in WoW. You praise Warhammer for things that WoW has and are generally considered better done there.
Most of the things that people are saying about Warhammer are true and you can see that even Mythic agrees, because they are talking about the same issues in their patch notes. The game right now just doesn't excel at most of the things it set out to do and other games offer better experiences.
The low population is a RESULT of the game not living up to all the WAAAGGHH and not the cause. 1.2 million people bought the game. It isn't like they all just decided to leave because there were not enough people playing is it?
people saying subs are decreasing are rly clueless they say that because of random Xfire numbers...right some people stopped playing but the game is going that bad...every time I log I can find something to do ( I admit that I play 5-6 hours a week though )
so I agree with the OP because I miss the feel I had in Open Beta, I bought the game because of the open beta and keep subscribing to see what the game is like at 40 but if it doesnt cut I just wont subs anymore
so plz stop the doomsaying they just need to work on these points and everything will be alright
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people saying subs are decreasing are rly clueless they say that because of random Xfire numbers...right some people stopped playing but the game is going that bad...every time I log I can find something to do ( I admit that I play 5-6 hours a week though ) so I agree with the OP because I miss the feel I had in Open Beta, I bought the game because of the open beta and keep subscribing to see what the game is like at 40 but if it doesnt cut I just wont subs anymore so plz stop the doomsaying they just need to work on these points and everything will be alright
Clueless? You do know that Mythic is doing[ has done] massive amounts of population mergers, because there are not enough people to play with right? In Europe and North America. Almost everything tangible and anicdotal says this game is losing players by the truck load.
Warhammer is very much in danger of losing all of its initial momentum and that has proven to kill a games ability to grow and expand in other titles. I don't think the game is going to die [never put anything past EA], but it is not in a very good situation right now and could easily go below their stated break even point of 250k users. Patch 1.05/1.06 and 1.1 is going to be a very critical time for Warhammer.
Sticking fingers in your ears won't change the state of the game.
A game that relies so heavily on the population should have had some sort of mangement strategy of it's servers from the start to ensure customers continued to get what they signed up for. It's still early days yet, so predicting it's death within months is wishful thinking on some people's part. Though why it bothers them so much I don't know. I don't have shares in the game, if goes down the toilet there's always something new on the way. For now though, I'm having fun playing.
I played WAR until the end of the free month and go to late 30ies of pve&rvr rank. The game was a blast first two tiers, then gradually got tedious. I endured hoping ORVR in the end was worth it, however that too proved to be less fun than expected. Also on EU Eltharion which was THE server for RVR. Game had many good ideas, but the whole execution and some of the design mistakes made it boil down to scenario grind or bland ORVR repeated ad nausea. Add in missing polish features and the fact it was plagued by technical problems its no woder its where it is now. I decided not to subscribe and give it some time for a possible second chance, but what I am reading on the forums everywhere only confirms my decision to leave. I guess its going to be the same fate as AOC.
Subscribtions: EVE, SWTOR WOW, WAR, DDO, VG, AOC, COV, FFXI, GW, RFO, Aion +plenty of F2P, betas, trials
Female Dwarf player: WOW, VG, WAR, DDO . Due to the recent economic crisis and spending cuts the light at the end of the tunnel was turned off. Sincerely, God.
Its actually amazing that Mythic have managed to make an RvR game where the players can take control of keeps and yet actually forgot to include a reason for the players to take them LMAO!!!!! This has to be the most hilarious f**kup in game design that I have seen for ages!!
No I dont mean award the victors more experience points and items. Whats the point in that? Thats not a reason! No Mythic I mean REAL strategic reasons.......not superficial ones that the players earn automatically by playing the game anyway.
Whats also rather amazing is the fact that so many players havent even noticed!!! Everyone is so bloody obsessed with leveling their own individual characters as they have done for years in WoW that they cant even see that the reason why WAR is so useless is because there isnt actually anything to gain by taking part in it. Whats the point of having Keeps in the game when you can just ignore them and carry on mindlessly following the levelling treadmill?
Mythic have completely wasted their time with this joke of a game. I dont think I have ever seen a war game where the designers actually forgot to give a reason for the players to take over things
It looks like the developers at Mythic were so addicted to playing WoW that their brains just couldnt comprehend how anything else might work lol
It's in this situation because of people like you OP that have been bashing anyone that criticized the game for it's obvious flaws in Beta and post launch. So gratz, you have the game you wish for now, it's what people like you deserve.
Well one other factor is people like you putting out a constant stream of misleading anti propaganda from day one and thus creating a bad reputation for the game which ultimately helped lead to this.
Lol, I heard so many "complaints" - actually pure BS - about the game having a bad launch, how it's buggy, unfinished or whatever. The WoW boys and AoC disgruntleds did their very best to kill the game in its infancy. Those were pure lies, quite obiviously, since the game had one of the smoothest launchest in mmo history. That's just one of the examples of crap I had to read on these boards. I got pissed off because I knew how grossly untrue and overblown they were but many many potential buyers who might have filled up those servers took them seriously or they at least reminded them of AoC fiasco.. Lol, there are many posters here, who haven't even played the game, who casually drop AoC and WAR in the same basked as examples of "broken launches" - that tells you all you need to know about the power of viral marketing.
Now the game is having real problems because it seems its population didn't manage to achieve the required population threshold on the majority of servers. That's funny because 90% of all the current problems stem from lack of population. This is a vicious circle you and your excrement-slinging pals helped start.
Thanks buddy - it seems you managed to get your prophecy fulfilled. You can pat yourself on the back now and go back to WoTLK. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for clearing my misconceptions. From what I've seen there is no way MMOs will ever get out of WoW's clutches - Blizzard makes 150 mil $ each month and won't stop at anything, including blatant copying, viral marketing and who knows what else to keep that cake. There is NOTHING people won't do for that kind of money. If WAR folds then this is it for me regarding MMOs - I'd rather not play anything then see this travesty go on in this genre.
WAR is not failing because people on a website wrote bad things about it
Its failing because its game design is so bad that it defies belief.
[quote]Originally posted by neonwire [b]Its actually amazing that Mythic have managed to make an RvR game where the players can take control of keeps and yet actually forgot to include a reason for the players to take them LMAO!!!!![/quote]Holding a keep contributes a significant chunk towards locking down a zone, so yes it's worth something.
Real problem with WAR atm is at fortress fights. Server crashes (had 5 crashes on Darklands.. aka whenever there's been a fortress fight). Reason? Too many people in the zone. Solution? It'll probably be instanced or something.
I want PVP, I want big team battles, I want castle sieges, and I want people to show up. I want it the size of Lineage/Rising Forces, I want the graphic and interperative comabt of WoW, I want the player based economy of EVE, I want the group collaboration and difficult of Everquest, I want the individuality and teamwork of DAoC. I'm asking way too much. Some people are willing to settle for one, which is why these games survive (I mean of course we all have to because no game has all of this). If you can pull this off you win at MMO making.
Also if you want to make some neat pve id be down with that.
It's in this situation because of people like you OP that have been bashing anyone that criticized the game for it's obvious flaws in Beta and post launch. So gratz, you have the game you wish for now, it's what people like you deserve.
Actually no. Most mmo players dont read forums and certainly doesn't post on them. A game dies cause of itself, not the haters/fanboys. Besides, who wanna listen to some braindead fanboy or a resentful hater? What devs listen to is ingame communication to the gm's/devs, emails and, if available, reasons for quitting and official forums, allthough the forums not the most important feedback developers get because of the above reasons.
The point of my fanboism is very very simple. I find WAR a much better game than WoW, because it is on many levels. Ofc this is a subjective thing because I find those points important to me. People who prefer WoW might like other things that WoW is better in, but here is what won me over from WoW. PvP is better. PQs are a completely novel type of content in mmos and they solve a lot of PvE problems plaguing the genre until now. I find instanced PvE better. I'm not talking about those silly things in T2 Altdorf. I'm talking about Mt Gunbad onward. There is open PvP. You can enjoy all the gameplay from rank 1. You don't have to level to max to start playing. It supports casual playstyle as well as hardcores. Guild system is awesome.. Levels, buffs , banners.. etc, etc, etc. It has its flaws but by Jove it has its merits as well! And yet the game is being contantly harrassed and attacked here. It is uncanny. It is downright strange and spooky. I got all hyped up about Hellgate: London and the game failed and was hacked up. Fair is fair. Now I see WAR being hacked up even more aggressively but if you look at it objectively it doesn't suck! I see it has problems and could use tuning up but it is nowhere near a failure that some people keep repeating here. It is a very very good solid game and it is better than WoW in a lot of categories. So how come it is being attacked and harrassed EVEN MORE than some true failures? Will someone explain that to me?
Seems like with the recent spate of mmo failures it has become popular to blame the players. Meanwhile WOW who a lot of people say has one of the crappiest communities is 11 + million strong.
If you make it ( a great game ) they will come. It's that simple.
Warhammer disappointed, just as much as AoC, maybe even more.. Atleast AoC brought something NEW to the MMO world. Warhammer tried for a WoW clone but didn't do it as well as Blizzard, and thus a game where people try it, and then quit.
Seems like with the recent spate of mmo failures it has become popular to blame the players. Meanwhile WOW who a lot of people say has one of the crappiest communities is 11 + million strong.
If you make it ( a great game ) they will come. It's that simple.
I think with MMO's its safe to say, If you do something better then everyone else, Your going to be the BEST MMO. Blizzard beat Mythic. Lets face it, Blizzard is a much better company then Mythic. * OK GO AHEAD tell me about all the great Mythic titles you loved. The fact of the matter is Blizzards sold more games then any other 2 MMO publishers combined. They did it, and did it better then anyone else. There are redeaming qualities to many other mmo's, but as a whole its hard to compete with Blizzard.
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Somehow I think the MMO genre will be just fine if Warhammer craps out. EA has been buying up forward thinking companies for years and grinding them into oblivion and fun PC games still seem to hit the market just fine. Perhaps companies will FINALLY get the message about releasing games before they are A) ready and
finished enough to compete.
Perhaps the problem is the mega giant companies thinking they can just rush any POS MMO out the door and make buckets of money, because people will feel obligated to give the game time to develop after release.
The game that "beats" WoW will come from someone who isn't overlorded by some corporate jackass that forces a game to release early. A studio 38, metaplace or some other company that gives their devs a little freedom. I don't know who it will be, but someone will start a new trend as things always do. MMO populations will eventually even out across a broad spectrum of games, but not until developers learn to take their time.
In the meantime all your "hateboy" rubbish is useless. It isn't solving the problem, it isn't even addressing the problem and it sure isn't covering up the problem. It just makes you some irrational crusader who sees their entire MMO future locked up in the success of one game and is desperate for it to succeed, even to the point of complete blindness to any opposing viewpoints being discussed.
Tearing down the people who have criticisms doesn't build up the game at all. It just makes you incapable of discussing the issues presented.
Lol mate I warned Mythic on the dangers of scenarios sucking people away from open RvR A YEAR before the release. You should hear what I say about WAR on WHA boards.
However, on WHA I can afford to be critical but not here. It is you and wow fanbois like you who can't stand any other game to succeed and will do anything to hinder it that make me what I am on these boards.
WAR has its flaws, oh boy it does have them, and not all of them are fixable. However it is a great game nevertheless and I enjoy it immensely and I would hurt if it failed, and especially if it happened through no serious fault of its own.
Please tell me why do you and your fellow haters find so much joy in other games' difficulties? I'm really curious - is that a spurned lover thing? What is it? "You bastards turned your back to my baby! I hope you suffer!" Is it really that good for you? Does it make you feel righteous?
Haha, that is what you do to WoW. People like me just want a decent pvp game to play and dispair when it doesn't live up to it's promises. You on the other hand are so focused on protecting WAR at all costs that you help adding to it's demise without realising it.
WoW is a monopolist and monopolists all behave in the same way: maximize profits by decreasing investment as much as possible - simply because they can. The customers have nowhere else to go.
FFS the prime reason WoTLK introduced that "world PvP" and those achievement titles is WAR. Do you think Blizzard would bother with those if there wasn't WAR as potential competition? Looool. Players have been asking for those things for the past 4 years and it was always "manjana" (that's "tomorrow" for you). Lol, if some poor dev at Bliz said "hey lets put those things in" a suit would come up with "what for? why should we spend money on these things when the players have nowhere else to go? You'd be hurting our percentages with unnecessary investments man. You're fired."
I thought it self evident what's happening here. You WoW guys will get hurt more with WAR's failure than its success. You'll get a lazy corp which doesn't care because it has no one to compete with... as was the case before serious competition appeared on the horizon. It'll be a Pyrrhic victory indeed.
Lol mate I warned Mythic on the dangers of scenarios sucking people away from open RvR A YEAR before the release. You should hear what I say about WAR on WHA boards.
However, on WHA I can afford to be critical but not here. It is you and wow fanbois like you who can't stand any other game to succeed and will do anything to hinder it that make me what I am on these boards.
WAR has its flaws, oh boy it does have them, and not all of them are fixable. However it is a great game nevertheless and I enjoy it immensely and I would hurt if it failed, and especially if it happened through no serious fault of its own.
Please tell me why do you and your fellow haters find so much joy in other games' difficulties? I'm really curious - is that a spurned lover thing? What is it? "You bastards turned your back to my baby! I hope you suffer!" Is it really that good for you? Does it make you feel righteous?
Haha, that is what you do to WoW. People like me just want a decent pvp game to play and dispair when it doesn't live up to it's promises. You on the other hand are so focused on protecting WAR at all costs that you help adding to it's demise without realising it.
Oh really? So your way of helping the game is to completely smear and bury it before it gets a chance to right itself out?
You are a total hypocrite.
WAR has problems which have gone steadily worse due to bleeding off of player population. The core problems of the game that you are so hung up about can all be fixed or at least worked around given enough time... and the devs have acknowledged them all and are working on them. The first big patch will DIRECTLY address the problems of Open RvR content and its rewards as well as the impact of scenarios on the game.
What else do you want?
You see I actually care about the game. When I list its flaws I do it to be constructive. What you do is present anything you can in the absolutely worst possible light.
Lol many is the time I actually defended WoW for its strong points. I say it has a lot of flaws which I find intolerable but it has a lot of good stuff about it as well. I never EVER saw you or your ilk acknowledge ANYTHING positive about WAR. FFS when Mythic announced they're putting new classes in the game it was a "bad thing" . When they gave out a whole new scenario for free it was a "bad thing". It seems everything is bad in this game for you and yet is me who is called raving and biased. Lol. Just plain lol.
I love watching the fall and decline of games on these forums mwahahahaha
WoW only has a monoply on the market due to the FAILURES of other companies. Nothing more need be said about that. The problem isn't blizzard, the problem is everyone else.
Trust me, warhammer can fail and things will go on. It might be the end for you personally due to your investment in this games future, but MMOs will be fine and might actually come out better in the long run if developers start taking releases a little more serious.
Also, maybe you should stop labeling everyone for a while. A lot of the people you call wow-boys really really really want to be fans of some other game like Warhammer. You are acting just like the crazed Vanguard fans did around Vanguards release. Blaming the players, blaming other games, yelling at anyone who says anything negative. They sure helped speed that game to a quick demise you know?
Maybe it is time Mythic manned up and opened some forums to face their customers concerns with some direct feedback and public discussion.
God no, I think the market will be fine sans WAR. What did WAR offer that was incrementally different from any other fantasy themepark? That's the issue, and really why WAR is faltering.
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Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
WoW is a monopolist and monopolists all behave in the same way: maximize profits by decreasing investment as much as possible - simply because they can. The customers have nowhere else to go.
FFS the prime reason WoTLK introduced that "world PvP" and those achievement titles is WAR. Do you think Blizzard would bother with those if there wasn't WAR as potential competition? Looool. Players have been asking for those things for the past 4 years and it was always "manjana" (that's "tomorrow" for you). Lol, if some poor dev at Bliz said "hey lets put those things in" a suit would come up with "what for? why should we spend money on these things when the players have nowhere else to go? You'd be hurting our percentages with unnecessary investments man. You're fired."
I thought it self evident what's happening here. You WoW guys will get hurt more with WAR's failure than its success. You'll get a lazy corp which doesn't care because it has no one to compete with... as was the case before serious competition appeared on the horizon. It'll be a Pyrrhic victory indeed.
You are being very ignorant. Basic business sense will tell you that you do not maintain the lion's share of the market, nor increase your customer base year on year by becoming complacent.
Sure Blizzard have taken ideas from WAR and countless other games, but to ignore such features that are quite clearly popular through selfish pride would be madness. Call it stealing if you will. I call it excellent business acumen and a fundamental requirement of survival in a competetive market.
Trust me, if Mythic were in Blizzards position they would be acting exactly the same. These are businesses, not charities established to create your perfect game. They will respond to what the majority wants - and the majority wants what WoW provides. The subscription numbers speak for themselves.
Sure you can innovate, but you risk disrupting the status quo and slicing your playerbase down the middle. Blizzard have built too much of an empire to take such a risk. Even games that launched with supposedly innovative and original gameplay aren't guaranteed success (Auto Assualt and TR, anyone?).
The point of my fanboism is very very simple.
I find WAR a much better game than WoW, because it is on many levels. Ofc this is a subjective thing because I find those points important to me. People who prefer WoW might like other things that WoW is better in, but here is what won me over from WoW.
PvP is better.
PQs are a completely novel type of content in mmos and they solve a lot of PvE problems plaguing the genre until now.
I find instanced PvE better. I'm not talking about those silly things in T2 Altdorf. I'm talking about Mt Gunbad onward.
There is open PvP.
You can enjoy all the gameplay from rank 1. You don't have to level to max to start playing.
It supports casual playstyle as well as hardcores.
Guild system is awesome.. Levels, buffs , banners..
etc, etc, etc.
It has its flaws but by Jove it has its merits as well!
And yet the game is being contantly harrassed and attacked here. It is uncanny. It is downright strange and spooky.
I got all hyped up about Hellgate: London and the game failed and was hacked up. Fair is fair. Now I see WAR being hacked up even more aggressively but if you look at it objectively it doesn't suck! I see it has problems and could use tuning up but it is nowhere near a failure that some people keep repeating here. It is a very very good solid game and it is better than WoW in a lot of categories.
So how come it is being attacked and harrassed EVEN MORE than some true failures? Will someone explain that to me?
It is? Hmm.. I must have fell asleep years ago in Spanish class. Thanks mate!
"TO MICHAEL!"
You perceive it that way, because you have so much personally invested in the game. To you if Warhammer fails then all of MMO universe is doomed and will wither up and die. Your tale is one of desperation and lack of objectivity. For example you bash WoW for many of the same reasons that are killing Warhammer, but working rather well in WoW. You praise Warhammer for things that WoW has and are generally considered better done there.
Most of the things that people are saying about Warhammer are true and you can see that even Mythic agrees, because they are talking about the same issues in their patch notes. The game right now just doesn't excel at most of the things it set out to do and other games offer better experiences.
The low population is a RESULT of the game not living up to all the WAAAGGHH and not the cause. 1.2 million people bought the game. It isn't like they all just decided to leave because there were not enough people playing is it?
people saying subs are decreasing are rly clueless they say that because of random Xfire numbers...right some people stopped playing but the game is going that bad...every time I log I can find something to do ( I admit that I play 5-6 hours a week though )
so I agree with the OP because I miss the feel I had in Open Beta, I bought the game because of the open beta and keep subscribing to see what the game is like at 40 but if it doesnt cut I just wont subs anymore
so plz stop the doomsaying they just need to work on these points and everything will be alright
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Kind of, just without the rapist.
Clueless? You do know that Mythic is doing[ has done] massive amounts of population mergers, because there are not enough people to play with right? In Europe and North America. Almost everything tangible and anicdotal says this game is losing players by the truck load.
Warhammer is very much in danger of losing all of its initial momentum and that has proven to kill a games ability to grow and expand in other titles. I don't think the game is going to die [never put anything past EA], but it is not in a very good situation right now and could easily go below their stated break even point of 250k users. Patch 1.05/1.06 and 1.1 is going to be a very critical time for Warhammer.
Sticking fingers in your ears won't change the state of the game.
A game that relies so heavily on the population should have had some sort of mangement strategy of it's servers from the start to ensure customers continued to get what they signed up for. It's still early days yet, so predicting it's death within months is wishful thinking on some people's part. Though why it bothers them so much I don't know. I don't have shares in the game, if goes down the toilet there's always something new on the way. For now though, I'm having fun playing.
I played WAR until the end of the free month and go to late 30ies of pve&rvr rank. The game was a blast first two tiers, then gradually got tedious. I endured hoping ORVR in the end was worth it, however that too proved to be less fun than expected. Also on EU Eltharion which was THE server for RVR. Game had many good ideas, but the whole execution and some of the design mistakes made it boil down to scenario grind or bland ORVR repeated ad nausea. Add in missing polish features and the fact it was plagued by technical problems its no woder its where it is now. I decided not to subscribe and give it some time for a possible second chance, but what I am reading on the forums everywhere only confirms my decision to leave. I guess its going to be the same fate as AOC.
Subscribtions: EVE, SWTOR WOW, WAR, DDO, VG, AOC, COV, FFXI, GW, RFO, Aion
+plenty of F2P, betas, trials
Female Dwarf player: WOW, VG, WAR, DDO
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Due to the recent economic crisis and spending cuts the light at the end of the tunnel was turned off. Sincerely, God.
Its actually amazing that Mythic have managed to make an RvR game where the players can take control of keeps and yet actually forgot to include a reason for the players to take them LMAO!!!!!
This has to be the most hilarious f**kup in game design that I have seen for ages!!
No I dont mean award the victors more experience points and items. Whats the point in that? Thats not a reason! No Mythic I mean REAL strategic reasons.......not superficial ones that the players earn automatically by playing the game anyway.
Whats also rather amazing is the fact that so many players havent even noticed!!! Everyone is so bloody obsessed with leveling their own individual characters as they have done for years in WoW that they cant even see that the reason why WAR is so useless is because there isnt actually anything to gain by taking part in it. Whats the point of having Keeps in the game when you can just ignore them and carry on mindlessly following the levelling treadmill?
Mythic have completely wasted their time with this joke of a game. I dont think I have ever seen a war game where the designers actually forgot to give a reason for the players to take over things
It looks like the developers at Mythic were so addicted to playing WoW that their brains just couldnt comprehend how anything else might work lol
Well one other factor is people like you putting out a constant stream of misleading anti propaganda from day one and thus creating a bad reputation for the game which ultimately helped lead to this.
Lol, I heard so many "complaints" - actually pure BS - about the game having a bad launch, how it's buggy, unfinished or whatever. The WoW boys and AoC disgruntleds did their very best to kill the game in its infancy. Those were pure lies, quite obiviously, since the game had one of the smoothest launchest in mmo history. That's just one of the examples of crap I had to read on these boards. I got pissed off because I knew how grossly untrue and overblown they were but many many potential buyers who might have filled up those servers took them seriously or they at least reminded them of AoC fiasco.. Lol, there are many posters here, who haven't even played the game, who casually drop AoC and WAR in the same basked as examples of "broken launches" - that tells you all you need to know about the power of viral marketing.
Now the game is having real problems because it seems its population didn't manage to achieve the required population threshold on the majority of servers. That's funny because 90% of all the current problems stem from lack of population. This is a vicious circle you and your excrement-slinging pals helped start.
Thanks buddy - it seems you managed to get your prophecy fulfilled. You can pat yourself on the back now and go back to WoTLK. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for clearing my misconceptions. From what I've seen there is no way MMOs will ever get out of WoW's clutches - Blizzard makes 150 mil $ each month and won't stop at anything, including blatant copying, viral marketing and who knows what else to keep that cake. There is NOTHING people won't do for that kind of money. If WAR folds then this is it for me regarding MMOs - I'd rather not play anything then see this travesty go on in this genre.
WAR is not failing because people on a website wrote bad things about it
Its failing because its game design is so bad that it defies belief.
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[b]Its actually amazing that Mythic have managed to make an RvR game where the players can take control of keeps and yet actually forgot to include a reason for the players to take them LMAO!!!!![/quote]Holding a keep contributes a significant chunk towards locking down a zone, so yes it's worth something.
Real problem with WAR atm is at fortress fights. Server crashes (had 5 crashes on Darklands.. aka whenever there's been a fortress fight). Reason? Too many people in the zone. Solution? It'll probably be instanced or something.
I want PVP, I want big team battles, I want castle sieges, and I want people to show up. I want it the size of Lineage/Rising Forces, I want the graphic and interperative comabt of WoW, I want the player based economy of EVE, I want the group collaboration and difficult of Everquest, I want the individuality and teamwork of DAoC. I'm asking way too much. Some people are willing to settle for one, which is why these games survive (I mean of course we all have to because no game has all of this). If you can pull this off you win at MMO making.
Also if you want to make some neat pve id be down with that.
Actually no. Most mmo players dont read forums and certainly doesn't post on them. A game dies cause of itself, not the haters/fanboys. Besides, who wanna listen to some braindead fanboy or a resentful hater? What devs listen to is ingame communication to the gm's/devs, emails and, if available, reasons for quitting and official forums, allthough the forums not the most important feedback developers get because of the above reasons.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
It is? Hmm.. I must have fell asleep years ago in Spanish class. Thanks mate!
its manana with a little symbol over the first n
true, true.
Seems like with the recent spate of mmo failures it has become popular to blame the players. Meanwhile WOW who a lot of people say has one of the crappiest communities is 11 + million strong.
If you make it ( a great game ) they will come. It's that simple.
Stick a fork in this one folks... its done!
Warhammer disappointed, just as much as AoC, maybe even more.. Atleast AoC brought something NEW to the MMO world. Warhammer tried for a WoW clone but didn't do it as well as Blizzard, and thus a game where people try it, and then quit.
I think with MMO's its safe to say, If you do something better then everyone else, Your going to be the BEST MMO. Blizzard beat Mythic. Lets face it, Blizzard is a much better company then Mythic. * OK GO AHEAD tell me about all the great Mythic titles you loved. The fact of the matter is Blizzards sold more games then any other 2 MMO publishers combined. They did it, and did it better then anyone else. There are redeaming qualities to many other mmo's, but as a whole its hard to compete with Blizzard.