I personally feel that it would be difficult to trump DnL (or maybe Mourning) for that title. I'm withholding judgment until it releases or the company folds.
Wee. Another thread with nonsense information, countered with estimated numbers and other nonsense. Where do you guys come up with all your "facts"?
Where are your facts to prove this is nonsense? A post void of facts, and full of nonsense, ridiculing other posts for lack of facts and nonsense? How droll.
At the moment, Darkfall is not a big joke, it is vaporware.
Ah, but the fanboys scream, it exists, it exists! We've seen the beta reviews, the videos!
Well, sure it exists, but software that exists, but never releases, is nonetheless vaporware.
Darkfall won't be a joke, unless it releases and turns out to be as bad as Dark and Light, or it may be that with all the fan hype, Darkfall will be a joke unless it turns out to be the best MMORPG we've seen in a decade. It may be that after all the fan hype, even if it were just a decent MMORPG, it would be a joke because it didn't live up to half the claims of the rabid fans.
I dont know if that is your sig or what... but the dropping of the religous bomb in a video game forums is uncalled for... we are here to talk about games not about religion in any of its forms unless it is bibleman the game and how to use the "god" mode.... seriously dude... uncool...
JOKE TIME!
What do you call a million plus people that believe in one imaginary person?
Well OP I would BAN you too. And I can see all other MMO's doing the same. Though I dont see Darkfall EVER being a hit but so far the only joke I see and read is just you.. sorry
I dont know if that is your sig or what... but the dropping of the religous bomb in a video game forums is uncalled for... we are here to talk about games not about religion in any of its forms unless it is bibleman the game and how to use the "god" mode.... seriously dude... uncool...
JOKE TIME!
What do you call a million plus people that believe in one imaginary person?
Originally posted by SignusM And no, Age of Conan is still the biggest joke in the industry, followed by Mortal Online.
Age of Conan is the biggest joke???
..Are you for real?
I've played Age of Conan at launch, and while I don't still play the game, the game worked well at launch and I had no crashes, no visible bugs that I noticed and I had high frame rates during peak game times and never got below like 50 fps, mostly about 80 fps. The game was even kinda fun, but some elements of the game I didn't care for.
Now compare that to Dark and Light or Age of Mourning.
..You have no idea what you are talking about stating that Age of Conan is the biggest joke in the industry. It is still a better game then 95% of all the Chinese/Korean mmo games out there and runs better/smoother.
You calling Age of Conan the biggest joke in the industry is about like saying that 'Coca-Cola sucks' because you are a Pepsi lover.
No seriously, please tell me how Dark and Light is a better game and less of a joke then Age of Conan. This should be interesting.
I suppose I'm confused and I read this because I'm bored.. Not really someone that follows Darkfall.
However, you basicly are freaking out and saying that Darkfall has the same issues as every other MMO.
Big name MMO's done by well known developers and/or companies... all have the same exact issues. Somehow you make it seem unique to Darkfall...
Or even that its a mystery these things can/do happen.
What game lately launched with all its features in perfect working condition?
The biggest joke imho would be the companies that spend 70 to 100 million to release a toilet fish... A small developer with almost no budget that releases a game in the same state for much less would be less of a joke...
One would think.
Game could be vaporware.. I'm not a share holder, an employee and I haven't spent any money on a product that isn't out yet. So I'm not sure exactly why it would be much of a concern for me if it was vapor ware.
The other things you listed as I've said.. are pretty standard for an MMO.
Unless you can point me to the game that launched with all the advertised features, didn't cut classes or cities ... or put stuff off to an expansion and most importantly.. launched in perfect working order.
I remember some really good launched (like DAoC) but there was still many broken/unfinished things in the game.
Well OP I would BAN you too. And I can see all other MMO's doing the same. Though I dont see Darkfall EVER being a hit but so far the only joke I see and read is just you.. sorry
I don't particularly see where you're coming from with this one, Zeblade. The OP is concerned that Darkfall will turn out poorly, and that Aventurine's forums are being cleansed of naysayers...
It's another eye-opener. Perhaps he was "too" vocal, like myself... Or perhaps he was doing just as he said, and they're getting uptight because someone upstairs doesn't want the public to know just how badly fans of the game are being treated. We don't know.
What's really ironic though, is that you agree with the OP in that Darkfall will be a disapointment, yet then you critisize him, later in the same sentence. Honestly Zeblade, you're the pathetic one.
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
say what you will, but if you answer "yes it is the biggest joke in the industry" then you may as well come out and say hey i have a hidden agenda for bashing this game every chance I get.
Darkfall, as it is right now, is far from being the biggest joke...and it is only a joke at all to the skeptics.
Dark and Light
Mourning
Age of Conan
and SOE/SWG
All of those are much worse than DF and it is not even close.
That being said....does DF have the POTENTIAL to beat one of those 4...of course. It if never releases. If it ends up being some tinfoilhat scam. If it is so bad on release that it cant keep servers up past a month or two. All of those are just some example of how it could be more of a joke than some of the above.
Where've you been egg? It has been a few days since I've seen a post of yours...Kinda missed you.
Did I mention that I bought you a present?
...It's a squirrel head...Do you like it?
lol...Welcome back though
------------------------------- It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off. ------------------------------- Originally posted by atziluth... Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
It's not a public discussion forum it's their companies website, of course they are going to ban you. If you owned a business and someone was trying to bring you into disrepute on it you would do the same. If it was was EA's website you would get banned from the game as well.
Of course not. say what you will, but if you answer "yes it is the biggest joke in the industry" then you may as well come out and say hey i have a hidden agenda for bashing this game every chance I get. Right.. anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.. and they are trying to bash the game.. blah blah blah.. Typical fanboi defense "you are a troll!!" Darkfall, as it is right now, is far from being the biggest joke...and it is only a joke at all to the skeptics.
And I'll help you out more..
Skeptic: a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
And
Farce: a light, humorous play in which the plot depends upon a skillfully exploited situation rather than upon the development of character.
You need a joke ? 2004... SWG a promising game with 300k subs , 32 professions, amazing crafting , working economy .. and $OE decide to.... DOWNGRADE it... to oblivion lol Now its a piece of shit with 10k subs lol i always see developer try to improve and add to a game $OE should get the reward for the first time in game history someone is so stupid and DOWNGRADE a game and take away from it lol the verb for "to pull biggest joke in MMO hitory" is called = "to NGE" something there you have it
How many months has it been since the NGE thing? Bro, let it go.....just let it go! Now! Control yourself!!! /slap
I have, and will continue to wave a yellow flag as far as this game goes. Is it a joke? Not yet, but it definately has the possiblity of becoming one. Which is unfortunately a greater possibility than the game has of delivering on all of it's promises, and or being a success.
I won't pass judgement, and I won't scream 'Vaporware!', (though I might refer to it as Darkfail on occasion just to rile somebody) but I will say that people shouldn't allow their expectations for this game to get too high. Being open PvP it is going to have one of the most offensive communities in gaming. Not everyone can win every fight, and some people can't handle losing well, and still more people don't know how to win with any manner of civility. Thus the game, even if it is as good as it's supposed to be, will tear itself apart from the inside.
I would put Darkfall in the same category as Dark and Light which was the biggest failure and fraud that the MMO industry has seen so far.
Darkfall may not be a fraud (if it ever comes out), but I think many are going to be extremely let down. Heck, Darkfall may even be the "downfall" of MMOs. Let's hope not, but it may. I think people have too much hope invested in this one.
You're post, while being valid, is littered with 'seems' and 'ifs' and 'I thinks'. Those are fine, but they do not prove anything
Is this the court of law? I do not need to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that the Darkfall devs are hiding something, that they have horrible PR, or the company in general is run by incompetent people. I posted exactly what they're doing, you can come to your own conclusions but everything I have been saying are valid.
Darkfall is turning out to be one of the biggest FRAUDS in mmo history.
Darkfall may not be a fraud (if it ever comes out), but I think many are going to be extremely let down. Heck, Darkfall may even be the "downfall" of MMOs. Let's hope not, but it may. I think people have too much hope invested in this one.
Anyone who has seen my last few posts on this forum knows I am skeptical of Darkfall, though not an all-out hater. However, I can see it now on CNN, "Downfall of Online Gaming: The Darkfall Effect."
"What stated off as a few dozen fans of the most popular online video game, World of Warcraft, entering the game and announcing "darkfall, fail cascade," has turned into an unstoppable domino effect. This announcement has been translated into over a dozen languages so far and World of Warcraft over the weekend has already lost 36% of its 11 million subscribers...millions who have never even heard of this niche game called Darkfall seem to be falling to a placebo effect of mass depression about the state of online games...several other popular games have already been hit hard and investors have announced emergency cancellations this Monday morning, cancellations of games who had tens of thousands of subscribers only Friday but have since dwindled to the hundreds. Where will the Darkfall Effect end?"
Funny, you know just how many are in beta huh? Well I'd like to know how you found that out...
Not hard to figure it out. They invited selected friends, family, and forum moderators. Basically people who they knew they could control. The point is that they're not holding what most people would describe as a closed beta and they mislead their users from the start about the beta.
"And no, Age of Conan is still the biggest joke in the industry, followed by Mortal Online."
You might not like the game but AOC runs fine and actually exists. It's a bad game that under-performed but it's one of the top selling US mmo's of all-time as far as boxed copies go.
Darkfall is no where close to a joke. It has 200k+ members on there forums
Big deal. The website has been online for 8-10 years and the vast majority of those are not active users. The fact that they tricked so many people to sign-up for a beta that hasn't happened or more than one occasion is a big reason for why the place is a joke.
Originally posted by JohnCreed ...The game is real and it'll be out eventually but don't be surprised if the features are dramatically different than what you expected. The Darkfall devs are HIDING something because they know a large amount of the community will be disappointed when they find out. Watch how lame city building is, how simplistic crafting turns out to be, et cetera...[/quote]
I suppose I'm confused and I read this because I'm bored.. Not really someone that follows Darkfall. However, you basicly are freaking out and saying that Darkfall has the same issues as every other MMO. Big name MMO's done by well known developers and/or companies... all have the same exact issues. Somehow you make it seem unique to Darkfall... Or even that its a mystery these things can/do happen. What game lately launched with all its features in perfect working condition?
The difference is that in most cases we KNOW beforehand that some features were cut. Those games did not run fake betas and the companies behind those games were not AFRAID to let people see the game for themselves. A small developer can get away with a lot of things ... inferior graphics, for example... but one thing that they can NOT get away with is lying and misleading their potential customers.
There aren't as many checks and balances in a small indie company as there are in a larger company so if they can't be trusted now imagine if the game does come out the type of crap they'll be doing and trying to get away with.
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I personally feel that it would be difficult to trump DnL (or maybe Mourning) for that title. I'm withholding judgment until it releases or the company folds.
Where are your facts to prove this is nonsense? A post void of facts, and full of nonsense, ridiculing other posts for lack of facts and nonsense? How droll.
At the moment, Darkfall is not a big joke, it is vaporware.
Ah, but the fanboys scream, it exists, it exists! We've seen the beta reviews, the videos!
Well, sure it exists, but software that exists, but never releases, is nonetheless vaporware.
Darkfall won't be a joke, unless it releases and turns out to be as bad as Dark and Light, or it may be that with all the fan hype, Darkfall will be a joke unless it turns out to be the best MMORPG we've seen in a decade. It may be that after all the fan hype, even if it were just a decent MMORPG, it would be a joke because it didn't live up to half the claims of the rabid fans.
JOKE TIME!
What do you call a million plus people that believe in one imaginary person?
...look it up kids
http://acominos.evony.com <- if your bored at work
Well OP I would BAN you too. And I can see all other MMO's doing the same. Though I dont see Darkfall EVER being a hit but so far the only joke I see and read is just you.. sorry
JOKE TIME!
What do you call a million plus people that believe in one imaginary person?
...look it up kids
But my mommy said jesus was real =(
Age of Conan is the biggest joke???
..Are you for real?
I've played Age of Conan at launch, and while I don't still play the game, the game worked well at launch and I had no crashes, no visible bugs that I noticed and I had high frame rates during peak game times and never got below like 50 fps, mostly about 80 fps. The game was even kinda fun, but some elements of the game I didn't care for.
Now compare that to Dark and Light or Age of Mourning.
..You have no idea what you are talking about stating that Age of Conan is the biggest joke in the industry. It is still a better game then 95% of all the Chinese/Korean mmo games out there and runs better/smoother.
You calling Age of Conan the biggest joke in the industry is about like saying that 'Coca-Cola sucks' because you are a Pepsi lover.
No seriously, please tell me how Dark and Light is a better game and less of a joke then Age of Conan. This should be interesting.
- Zaxx
I suppose I'm confused and I read this because I'm bored.. Not really someone that follows Darkfall.
However, you basicly are freaking out and saying that Darkfall has the same issues as every other MMO.
Big name MMO's done by well known developers and/or companies... all have the same exact issues. Somehow you make it seem unique to Darkfall...
Or even that its a mystery these things can/do happen.
What game lately launched with all its features in perfect working condition?
The biggest joke imho would be the companies that spend 70 to 100 million to release a toilet fish... A small developer with almost no budget that releases a game in the same state for much less would be less of a joke...
One would think.
Game could be vaporware.. I'm not a share holder, an employee and I haven't spent any money on a product that isn't out yet. So I'm not sure exactly why it would be much of a concern for me if it was vapor ware.
The other things you listed as I've said.. are pretty standard for an MMO.
Unless you can point me to the game that launched with all the advertised features, didn't cut classes or cities ... or put stuff off to an expansion and most importantly.. launched in perfect working order.
I remember some really good launched (like DAoC) but there was still many broken/unfinished things in the game.
anyone else smell gas?
I don't particularly see where you're coming from with this one, Zeblade. The OP is concerned that Darkfall will turn out poorly, and that Aventurine's forums are being cleansed of naysayers...
It's another eye-opener. Perhaps he was "too" vocal, like myself... Or perhaps he was doing just as he said, and they're getting uptight because someone upstairs doesn't want the public to know just how badly fans of the game are being treated. We don't know.
What's really ironic though, is that you agree with the OP in that Darkfall will be a disapointment, yet then you critisize him, later in the same sentence. Honestly Zeblade, you're the pathetic one.
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Of course not.
say what you will, but if you answer "yes it is the biggest joke in the industry" then you may as well come out and say hey i have a hidden agenda for bashing this game every chance I get.
Darkfall, as it is right now, is far from being the biggest joke...and it is only a joke at all to the skeptics.
Dark and Light
Mourning
Age of Conan
and SOE/SWG
All of those are much worse than DF and it is not even close.
That being said....does DF have the POTENTIAL to beat one of those 4...of course. It if never releases. If it ends up being some tinfoilhat scam. If it is so bad on release that it cant keep servers up past a month or two. All of those are just some example of how it could be more of a joke than some of the above.
But for right now....no, not even close.
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Did I mention that I bought you a present?
...It's a squirrel head...Do you like it?
lol...Welcome back though
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It's honestly like everyone logs onto WoW, and games like WoW, just to masturbate. Everyone plays by themselves, and when they don't, they get what they want and get off.
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Originally posted by atziluth...
Ah yes when the unreasonable are faced with reason they must resort to personal attacks...When you are ready to move up from the kids table you can talk with the grown ups.
Holidays
Took a cruise!
How fresh is the squirrel head? Im kind of picky about that stuff.
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A resounding YES!
It's not a public discussion forum it's their companies website, of course they are going to ban you. If you owned a business and someone was trying to bring you into disrepute on it you would do the same. If it was was EA's website you would get banned from the game as well.
And I'll help you out more..
Skeptic: a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
And
Farce: a light, humorous play in which the plot depends upon a skillfully exploited situation rather than upon the development of character.
In this case, darkfall.
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How many months has it been since the NGE thing? Bro, let it go.....just let it go! Now! Control yourself!!! /slap
I have, and will continue to wave a yellow flag as far as this game goes. Is it a joke? Not yet, but it definately has the possiblity of becoming one. Which is unfortunately a greater possibility than the game has of delivering on all of it's promises, and or being a success.
I won't pass judgement, and I won't scream 'Vaporware!', (though I might refer to it as Darkfail on occasion just to rile somebody) but I will say that people shouldn't allow their expectations for this game to get too high. Being open PvP it is going to have one of the most offensive communities in gaming. Not everyone can win every fight, and some people can't handle losing well, and still more people don't know how to win with any manner of civility. Thus the game, even if it is as good as it's supposed to be, will tear itself apart from the inside.
I would put Darkfall in the same category as Dark and Light which was the biggest failure and fraud that the MMO industry has seen so far.
Darkfall may not be a fraud (if it ever comes out), but I think many are going to be extremely let down. Heck, Darkfall may even be the "downfall" of MMOs. Let's hope not, but it may. I think people have too much hope invested in this one.
Is this the court of law? I do not need to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that the Darkfall devs are hiding something, that they have horrible PR, or the company in general is run by incompetent people. I posted exactly what they're doing, you can come to your own conclusions but everything I have been saying are valid.
Darkfall is turning out to be one of the biggest FRAUDS in mmo history.
Anyone who has seen my last few posts on this forum knows I am skeptical of Darkfall, though not an all-out hater. However, I can see it now on CNN, "Downfall of Online Gaming: The Darkfall Effect."
"What stated off as a few dozen fans of the most popular online video game, World of Warcraft, entering the game and announcing "darkfall, fail cascade," has turned into an unstoppable domino effect. This announcement has been translated into over a dozen languages so far and World of Warcraft over the weekend has already lost 36% of its 11 million subscribers...millions who have never even heard of this niche game called Darkfall seem to be falling to a placebo effect of mass depression about the state of online games...several other popular games have already been hit hard and investors have announced emergency cancellations this Monday morning, cancellations of games who had tens of thousands of subscribers only Friday but have since dwindled to the hundreds. Where will the Darkfall Effect end?"
Not hard to figure it out. They invited selected friends, family, and forum moderators. Basically people who they knew they could control. The point is that they're not holding what most people would describe as a closed beta and they mislead their users from the start about the beta.
"And no, Age of Conan is still the biggest joke in the industry, followed by Mortal Online."
You might not like the game but AOC runs fine and actually exists. It's a bad game that under-performed but it's one of the top selling US mmo's of all-time as far as boxed copies go.
Big deal. The website has been online for 8-10 years and the vast majority of those are not active users. The fact that they tricked so many people to sign-up for a beta that hasn't happened or more than one occasion is a big reason for why the place is a joke.
No.. I beleive WAR is the MMO Industrys biggest joke
Darkfall is quite fine actually... thx for caring!!
I think this might be true.
The difference is that in most cases we KNOW beforehand that some features were cut. Those games did not run fake betas and the companies behind those games were not AFRAID to let people see the game for themselves. A small developer can get away with a lot of things ... inferior graphics, for example... but one thing that they can NOT get away with is lying and misleading their potential customers.
There aren't as many checks and balances in a small indie company as there are in a larger company so if they can't be trusted now imagine if the game does come out the type of crap they'll be doing and trying to get away with.