for all those whinning that WoW isn't hard enough do the following: 1) uninstal all addons 3) start a new character, preferably on a different server 4) don't join a guild 5) don't ask anyone for help or use resources like wowwiki, thottbot, wowhead, etc or the forums 6) don't use any gold or items from any other characters on your account 7) don't cheat the game (use powerleveling services, buy gold, use bots or hack the game in any way)
Without addons - ok, new character - ok but don't join guild? If you want to play masive multiplayer online game without guild you are a moron, I'm sorry but i realy have to use that word MMO is about group that's why I love lotro so much.. I'm not saying wow is not about group but if you are saying this.. You are crazy If its easy only because you are playing it in guild and with addons (in AoC you see where is your Q too and I like that game too), im using wiki for lotro sometimes and still I like it.. its not about this. Of course without something what you named its harder and better but without guild its worst ever.. MMO = group, guild imo.
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Originally posted by Azzataky
Originally posted by midillusion
for all those whinning that WoW isn't hard enough do the following: 1) uninstal all addons 3) start a new character, preferably on a different server 4) don't join a guild 5) don't ask anyone for help or use resources like wowwiki, thottbot, wowhead, etc or the forums 6) don't use any gold or items from any other characters on your account 7) don't cheat the game (use powerleveling services, buy gold, use bots or hack the game in any way)
Without addons - ok, new character - ok but don't join guild? If you want to play masive multiplayer online game without guild you are a moron, I'm sorry but i realy have to use that word MMO is about group that's why I love lotro so much.. I'm not saying wow is not about group but if you are saying this.. You are crazy If its easy only because you are playing it in guild and with addons (in AoC you see where is your Q too and I like that game too), im using wiki for lotro sometimes and still I like it.. its not about this. Of course without something what you named its harder and better but without guild its worst ever.. MMO = group, guild imo.
ok yes, a guild is a big part of an mmo environment, but there are people around (not many, but there are some) who aren't in guilds or have never been in a guild and enjoy the game. still I guess thats up to the individual person. I do however stand by my other points. I'd personally love to see all these "WoW is too easy" people do naxx (or any other end-game raid) without any addons what-so-ever. anyone want to take up the challenge?
Originally posted by Zorndorf Like it or not. You moan about that fact already 15 months now.Originally posted by Malvolentia
I'm not really arguing WoW offers good gameplay cause it surely does. But what you said kind of helps to prove the mcdonald's theory in everyone can get a lil something out of it, but for that person it's not the best thing for them. Blizzard has really gone too far in catering to the 2 hour week player so much so that most accomplishments and gear in the game became quite trivial in Wrath. The way it stood when I left it was everyone was walking around in the top gear possible. After awhile you wonder what's the point? I would of stuck with it, but they pretty much ruined the pvp balance of the game completely. So is WoW successful? Ya it is.....Is it the #1 MMO? nope, but I guess when it come down to it this all just opinion. It just seems a lot of WoW fanbois get angry at people disagreeing with WoW being #1. But for me and a lot of other MMOers it isn't #1 anymore.
First Wow is the number one of all MMORPG's, and it will enter history like that.
You are frustrated by a game: get your act together and have a life outside Wow.
Secondly: YOU think it is only for the 2 hour week player.
What DID YOU do in WotlK???
You were attacking Wow MONTHS before WotlK even became Beta.
So stop the postings. You did NOT do anything in WotLK. You didn't even do all raid content.
And NO, everybody is far from "walking around in the highest gear". Ridiculous statement. Were you ?
And you certainly couldn't achieve anything meaningful in PvP. Deadly set already huh ? Any deadly weapons yet ?
A LOT? 11.500.000 paying people ... is a lot: but 600 guys voting on a free yearly vote for best mmorpg on mmorpg.com is NOT "a lot".
Popularity doesn't = best MMO. Sorry to break this to you. In fact, I think that hurts it's cause. Only means it's playable by many with retardation. (which we all know to be solid fact) Blizzard went to great lengths to cater to the lazy and incompetent.
Wow has been on a downward spiral since halfway into BC. Blizzard are brilliant when it comes to marketing. They've whored out the game nicely to clinch subscriptions. Handed on levels with RAF. Now they're just handing out everything in the game.
Btw moron, don't tell me what I have and haven't done. I did everything offered up in Wrath. Regurgitated content is what it mostly was.
Progression in Wow is meaningless as well. Every expansion and sometimes patches brings wipes the slate clean so if you spent months getting a character up in gear it's absolutely worthless at this new point. It's a constant treadmill that goes nowhere.
The pvp in that game is so horrible I could barely go through 1-2 battlegrounds anymore. It's absolutely broken. I used to love WoW's pvp Pre-Bc and some in BC. It's broken beyond repair at this point tho. People are gettin 2 shotted, resilience didn't scale, and the game is pretty much run by 2 classes at this point (DK, paladin)
Like I said, I'll take the opinions of a few knowledgeable MMO players over the entire WoW community. Just visit their forums and you'll understand why. WoW's popularity comes from being more accessible to the 2 hour a week player. So the 25 level DK can destroy the 4 year character. That makes a lot of sense.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
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there's a big difference between retardation and not being able to commit to a game because of real life. I know plenty of people would love to get more into raiding but can't because of real life commitments. and to say you have completed everything wrath has to offer is complete bullshit.
Originally posted by Malvolentia I used to love WoW's pvp Pre-Bc and some in BC. It's broken beyond repair at this point tho. People are gettin 2 shotted, resilience didn't scale, and the game is pretty much run by 2 classes at this point (DK, paladin)
Hmm you used to enjoy PvP pre-TBC. You enjoyed 2 months of no sleep to even get near GM/Warlord title. You enjoyed being owned by people with PvE items from raiding which were better than anything available EXCEPT at GM/Warlord. You enjoyed being owned by the 2 classes which were flasvour of the month at the time. You say it's DK's Pallies now? That will change soon to 2 other classes. It always does.
TBC PvP? Still no difference to Wrath. When TBC was first released i seem to remember ferals being way overpowered. There is always one class winning everything till they attempt to balance things.
Thanks T
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Originally posted by Malvolentia I used to love WoW's pvp Pre-Bc and some in BC. It's broken beyond repair at this point tho. People are gettin 2 shotted, resilience didn't scale, and the game is pretty much run by 2 classes at this point (DK, paladin)
Hmm you used to enjoy PvP pre-TBC. You enjoyed 2 months of no sleep to even get near GM/Warlord title. You enjoyed being owned by people with PvE items from raiding which were better than anything available EXCEPT at GM/Warlord. You enjoyed being owned by the 2 classes which were flasvour of the month at the time. You say it's DK's Pallies now? That will change soon to 2 other classes. It always does.
TBC PvP? Still no difference to Wrath. When TBC was first released i seem to remember ferals being way overpowered. There is always one class winning everything till they attempt to balance things.
Thanks T
I enjoyed the reasonable balance and gameplay of it. Nothing to do with the honor system/titles
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
I enjoyed the reasonable balance and gameplay of it. Nothing to do with the honor system/titles
Reasonable balance my arse. Warcraft pvp has NEVER been reasonably balanced. You're saying now that retri pallies own everything. Go back to about half way into TBC and before. Retri pallies were close to the WORSE class you could play PvP. Go back to pre-tbc and even into the start of TBC. Warlocks were SOOO overpowered it was stupid.
And how is it balance when you get people with gear from raiding winning 90% of BGG's against people with just pvp gear (Not a hard statistic but i have been playing the game since a month after release).
There has ALWAYS been a flavour of the month class (except with 'locks when it was flavour of the approx 2 years class :P )
As the person posting previously asked. How much of this game have you played?
Thanks T
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In the end, Blizzard wins, you lose. People who enjoy the game win too, people who don't like it, well, cry me a freaking river, stop gripping about somethign you're not playing and if you're playing and don't like it, quit. I did! There are a bunch of other MMOs that can use some subs to keep them going, and shit, you might enjoy one of them.
Only LOTRO is better in my view. Having said that it really depends on what class you are playing, Wow balance is worse then most MMO's. Currently if your playing a Warrior or a Warlock, the game is horrible X100 if your on a PVP server.
Originally posted by Malvolentia I used to love WoW's pvp Pre-Bc and some in BC. It's broken beyond repair at this point tho. People are gettin 2 shotted, resilience didn't scale, and the game is pretty much run by 2 classes at this point (DK, paladin)
Hmm you used to enjoy PvP pre-TBC. You enjoyed 2 months of no sleep to even get near GM/Warlord title. You enjoyed being owned by people with PvE items from raiding which were better than anything available EXCEPT at GM/Warlord. You enjoyed being owned by the 2 classes which were flasvour of the month at the time. You say it's DK's Pallies now? That will change soon to 2 other classes. It always does.
TBC PvP? Still no difference to Wrath. When TBC was first released i seem to remember ferals being way overpowered. There is always one class winning everything till they attempt to balance things.
Thanks T
I enjoyed the reasonable balance and gameplay of it. Nothing to do with the honor system/titles
Also VERY convieniant to NOT answer my post above about the Raid completion statistics of "easy" WotLK.
Only 0.2% of ALL the raiding guilds could complete the Raiding achievements of WotLK after 3 months playing day and night....Not bad for "an introduction Raid content" of WotLK with 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4 to follow.
0.2% and ALL these WotLK Raid achievements are based on ... skill (NOT grind).
Oh and these guys get a title, so titles last, gear not.
Yeah, but they are the real players, not the moaners...who dabble a bit in the solo world and think that getting to level 80 is anything.
the raids were defeated within the first week of Wrath....try again. And titles last lol? Is that your idea of character progression. have fun
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
It's WoW's fault the MMO industry is such crap. Because of blizzards success, companies aren't willing to invest in anything truly different.
It could just as easily be said that the mmo market is full of crap, because of so many different companies releasing... crap. Whos fault is it exactly that so many crap games were released? Blizzard for making 1 game or many other companies for many other failures? Seriously, who wants to invest into a failed mmo or emulate failure?
Perhaps if those other companies started releasing decent games and were successful this wouldn't be an issue. Somehow I don't think you would be willing to pin the same amount of responsibility on blizzard if the market was filled with lots of great games.
where can i get a good, FREE, general purpose guide for wow?
you need a guide to play wow? Hope you never get a driver's license
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
you need a guide to play wow? Hope you never get a driver's license
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
When all other arguments fail,Wow haters INSULT WOW PLAYERS;
Just play the copies of the orginal and still THINK you have a BLIZZARD quality game.
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look at this topic, 39 pages about proving that WoW is the best? lol I think noone is insulting WoW players, I think they are just making fun of WoW players...
Every mmo is copy of wow, every other mmo is crap, wow is the best, wow rule, wow rox, wow pwnz,wow has xxxx subscribers - is best, wow has this and this - is best...Your opinion, just shut up, get back to WoW stop trying to prove that your game is the best to ppl who don't like that game because for them WoW is not best mmo..
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you need a guide to play wow? Hope you never get a driver's license
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks.
11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains".
Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine.
So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
you need a guide to play wow? Hope you never get a driver's license
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks.
11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains".
Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine.
So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
ROFL which game is difficult?
You say that people are protective of Wow cause they find other games too difficult, how do you know this?
Do you find other games too difficult?
IMHO WoW is no more easy or difficult than LOTROL, WAR, VG, etc etc.
For your guidance, games that people may find diffifcult are twitched based games, like FPS or driving sims where the gamer does not have the required hand eye coordination to be very good. Others are things like Chess and Suduku where you need brain power to win.
MMOs have non of this so they cannot really be said to be difficult!
To the OP, WoW is ranked 21 based on the opinion of people on this site, 99.9% of people here have played WoW and most have now moved on, hence the rating, it has nothing to do with the quality of WoW etc.
WoW is without doubt the best MMO on the market at the moment, many strive to attain its high standards but fail. Everyone knows this even though they dont admit to it.
People love to put WoW down after playing it extensively, WoW is with out doubt the most accesible and has the most quality of any MMO on the market at the moment, people tend to confuse Accessibilty with Ease and hence in their elitist opinion they think wow is easy and beneath them!
you need a guide to play wow? Hope you never get a driver's license
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks.
11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains".
Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine.
So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
ROFL which game is difficult?
You say that people are protective of Wow cause they find other games too difficult, how do you know this?
Do you find other games too difficult?
IMHO WoW is no more easy or difficult than LOTROL, WAR, VG, etc etc.
For your guidance, games that people may find diffifcult are twitched based games, like FPS or driving sims where the gamer does not have the required hand eye coordination to be very good. Others are things like Chess and Suduku where you need brain power to win.
MMOs have non of this so they cannot really be said to be difficult!
To the OP, WoW is ranked 21 based on the opinion of people on this site, 99.9% of people here have played WoW and most have now moved on, hence the rating, it has nothing to do with the quality of WoW etc.
WoW is without doubt the best MMO on the market at the moment, many strive to attain its high standards but fail. Everyone knows this even though they dont admit to it.
People love to put WoW down after playing it extensively, WoW is with out doubt the most accesible and has the most quality of any MMO on the market at the moment, people tend to confuse Accessibilty with Ease and hence in their elitist opinion they think wow is easy and beneath them!
Next WoW "fan" who thinks everyone played wow for a long time because wow is the best, after long time in wow everyone here get bored and thats why we hate wow.. What can I say? I dont hate wow, i dont like wow and wow fans because they are weird I know many people who play wow, almost everyone of them said me that they dont like community in wow, that comunity in wow just SUUUUX. They like only theirs guild.. Most of my friends are playing wow because his/her friends or because it was most known mmo (they didnt know about others mmo) So? You are just proving that community in wow is just horrible. I was playing wow to lvl 52 on free server, so i woudnt say i played wow i tried wow.. And still i dont like it. I dont like it even before i tried it because it looks boring for me, now its still boring for me.. WoW is just baad game imo.. So who i am? Im not player who was playing wow for long time but im playing mmo for long time, i dont like wow.. i think im not alone WoW is not best mmo in my opinion. And WoW fans? just band of ignorants who cant accept opinions of other people.. WoW was just mmo with huge marketing most people knew about it so they tried it because it was something new..
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Originally posted by Azzataky Next WoW "fan" who thinks everyone played wow for a long time because wow is the best, after long time in wow everyone here get bored and thats why we hate wow..
Finally some honesty. Far to many people on this site get burned out on a game and turn that into faults in the game. Many go way overboard like you have and don't even realize it. Just because they are not bored with it like you are doesn't somehow diminish the game in any capacity.
As for the community, it is strange how many people say this same thing and then act in the way you do. Calling people names and throwing around insults. It sounds like you are the source of problems and not everyone else.
Also you just admitted you played on a free server and never really played the game. Serioulsy you want to contribute here as if you are well versed about the game, let alone that you have experienced the community? I think that explains all that needs to be said about you.
I don't think anyone is refusing your opinion that wow isn't better than most games. You however seem to be in denial that your opinion is in the very small minority and want to build it up as being some undeniable truth that people just won't change their views to agree with. Great you don't like the game that you have have all the wrong exposure to. Good luck with that.
Originally posted by cfurlin Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult.
Ok name that fantasy game that is to difficult to understand for an average wow player. Put you money where your mouth is and name a game.
I bet you can't, because they all play nearly identical.
Personally I think people insult millions of other people as lesser people, because they have no real merit to their discussion otherwise.
Originally posted by Azzataky Next WoW "fan" who thinks everyone played wow for a long time because wow is the best, after long time in wow everyone here get bored and thats why we hate wow..
Finally some honesty. Far to many people on this site get burned out on a game and turn that into faults in the game. Many go way overboard like you have and don't even realize it. Just because they are not bored with it like you are doesn't somehow diminish the game in any capacity.
As for the community, it is strange how many people say this same thing and then act in the way you do. Calling people names and throwing around insults. It sounds like you are the source of problems and not everyone else.
Also you just admitted you played on a free server and never really played the game. Serioulsy you want to contribute here as if you are well versed about the game, let alone that you have experienced the community? I think that explains all that needs to be said about you.
I don't think anyone is refusing your opinion that wow isn't better than most games. You however seem to be in denial that your opinion is in the very small minority and want to build it up as being some undeniable truth that people just won't change their views to agree with. Great you don't like the game that you have have all the wrong exposure to. Good luck with that.
I'm not insulting anyone. And yes I said that I tried it on a free server but also I said I didnt play it, I tried it.. I know free server isnt ofice. But I wasnt impresed by wow before that so I just wanted to try it first on free server and it didnt change my opinion on that. Also you have music charts on whole world, in every coutnry win someone else. And we have here community of players around mmorpg and they are saying that wow is not best for them. If you are talking about numbers.. Yes than is WoW best - has more subscribers than other mmos. But number of subscribers doesn't mean your game is good for every player. I'm not saying that if WoW could be my first mmo i would't play it. I like that graphic, I know players dont like it because of it but its WoW graphic, its kind of diferent but other stuff I dont like realy much. I can solo almost everything to about 50, not sure. :P I know it was freeserver But in lotro is realy huge number of party quests and I enjoy that game much more than WoW. I think wow is good first or second mmo but i was playing GW, L2 and RO before WoW and I just wanted something with more group play which I found in Lotro.
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Originally posted by Azzataky I'm not insulting anyone. And yes I said that I tried it on a free server but also I said I didnt play it, I tried it.. I know free server isnt ofice. But I wasnt impresed by wow before that so I just wanted to try it first on free server and it didnt change my opinion on that. Also you have music charts on whole world, in every coutnry win someone else. And we have here community of players around mmorpg and they are saying that wow is not best for them. If you are talking about numbers.. Yes than is WoW best - has more subscribers than other mmos. But number of subscribers doesn't mean your game is good for every player. I'm not saying that if WoW could be my first mmo i would't play it. I like that graphic, I know players dont like it because of it but its WoW graphic, its kind of diferent but other stuff I dont like realy much. I can solo almost everything to about 50, not sure. :P I know it was freeserver But in lotro is realy huge number of party quests and I enjoy that game much more than WoW. I think wow is good first or second mmo but i was playing GW, L2 and RO before WoW and I just wanted something with more group play which I found in Lotro.
You comment on the wow community as if you have 1st hand experience with it. You then insult the fans by calling them ignorant for not accepting your views (or theirs it depends on how you chose to word it). You +1 someone who laughs at someone asking for a wow guide and calls them "young" as an offhanded insult.
So yes you do in fact lace your opinions with insults as I said. Not to the extent that some do, but still.
Fine that you do not like wow after having all the grand exposure a free server has to offer and a few of your friends opinions. Good for you, no one is taking that away from you. However, don't pretend that your opinion is somehow more valid than the next person, especially people that actually play. Also don't act like a game cannot be great and be higher quality than the next games simply because you personally don't enjoy it.
Right now that just puts you in the minority and flies in the face of just about the entire market. It is hard to make an argument that wow isn't the most polished and finished mmo on the market. It may not be the "best" game for every single mmo player, but it sure is doing a lot more correct and enjoyable for far more people than just about every other game combined.
You should not look at the rankings here on MMORPG, this is a corrupt forum.
Trolls are voting down everything cause they did get banned cause they used a bot or something cause they are lazy as mfs. A #21 position would be a top 3 without all the retards on MMORPG forums.
And for other retards saying WoW is a game for 7 year olds, well you have obviously not played the game.
Originally posted by cfurlin Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult.
Ok name that fantasy game that is to difficult to understand for an average wow player. Put you money where your mouth is and name a game.
I bet you can't, because they all play nearly identical.
Personally I think people insult millions of other people as lesser people, because they have no real merit to their discussion otherwise.
UO (pre-Trammel), Original EQ, Shadowbane (early, before you whiners ruined it)
EDIT: And if you think UO is identical to WoW then one thing I know for sure: You have NO MMO experience other than WoW.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks. 11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains". Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine. So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
The only one acting like a 7 year old....is the guy playing the dull copy cat product of Wow (and doesn't even realise it).
Well, that's the pot calling the kettle black, now isn't it?
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Without addons - ok, new character - ok but don't join guild? If you want to play masive multiplayer online game without guild you are a moron, I'm sorry but i realy have to use that word
MMO is about group that's why I love lotro so much.. I'm not saying wow is not about group but if you are saying this.. You are crazy 
If its easy only because you are playing it in guild and with addons (in AoC you see where is your Q too and I like that game too), im using wiki for lotro sometimes and still I like it.. 
its not about this. Of course without something what you named its harder and better but without guild its worst ever.. MMO = group, guild imo.
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
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Without addons - ok, new character - ok but don't join guild? If you want to play masive multiplayer online game without guild you are a moron, I'm sorry but i realy have to use that word
MMO is about group that's why I love lotro so much.. I'm not saying wow is not about group but if you are saying this.. You are crazy 
If its easy only because you are playing it in guild and with addons (in AoC you see where is your Q too and I like that game too), im using wiki for lotro sometimes and still I like it.. 
its not about this. Of course without something what you named its harder and better but without guild its worst ever.. MMO = group, guild imo.
ok yes, a guild is a big part of an mmo environment, but there are people around (not many, but there are some) who aren't in guilds or have never been in a guild and enjoy the game. still I guess thats up to the individual person. I do however stand by my other points. I'd personally love to see all these "WoW is too easy" people do naxx (or any other end-game raid) without any addons what-so-ever. anyone want to take up the challenge?
First Wow is the number one of all MMORPG's, and it will enter history like that.
You are frustrated by a game: get your act together and have a life outside Wow.
Secondly: YOU think it is only for the 2 hour week player.
What DID YOU do in WotlK???
You were attacking Wow MONTHS before WotlK even became Beta.
So stop the postings. You did NOT do anything in WotLK. You didn't even do all raid content.
And NO, everybody is far from "walking around in the highest gear". Ridiculous statement. Were you ?
And you certainly couldn't achieve anything meaningful in PvP. Deadly set already huh ? Any deadly weapons yet ?
A LOT? 11.500.000 paying people ... is a lot: but 600 guys voting on a free yearly vote for best mmorpg on mmorpg.com is NOT "a lot".
Popularity doesn't = best MMO. Sorry to break this to you. In fact, I think that hurts it's cause. Only means it's playable by many with retardation. (which we all know to be solid fact) Blizzard went to great lengths to cater to the lazy and incompetent.
Wow has been on a downward spiral since halfway into BC. Blizzard are brilliant when it comes to marketing. They've whored out the game nicely to clinch subscriptions. Handed on levels with RAF. Now they're just handing out everything in the game.
Btw moron, don't tell me what I have and haven't done. I did everything offered up in Wrath. Regurgitated content is what it mostly was.
Progression in Wow is meaningless as well. Every expansion and sometimes patches brings wipes the slate clean so if you spent months getting a character up in gear it's absolutely worthless at this new point. It's a constant treadmill that goes nowhere.
The pvp in that game is so horrible I could barely go through 1-2 battlegrounds anymore. It's absolutely broken. I used to love WoW's pvp Pre-Bc and some in BC. It's broken beyond repair at this point tho. People are gettin 2 shotted, resilience didn't scale, and the game is pretty much run by 2 classes at this point (DK, paladin)
Like I said, I'll take the opinions of a few knowledgeable MMO players over the entire WoW community. Just visit their forums and you'll understand why. WoW's popularity comes from being more accessible to the 2 hour a week player. So the 25 level DK can destroy the 4 year character. That makes a lot of sense.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
there's a big difference between retardation and not being able to commit to a game because of real life. I know plenty of people would love to get more into raiding but can't because of real life commitments. and to say you have completed everything wrath has to offer is complete bullshit.
p.s. you can't get a level 25 DK
Hmm you used to enjoy PvP pre-TBC. You enjoyed 2 months of no sleep to even get near GM/Warlord title. You enjoyed being owned by people with PvE items from raiding which were better than anything available EXCEPT at GM/Warlord. You enjoyed being owned by the 2 classes which were flasvour of the month at the time. You say it's DK's Pallies now? That will change soon to 2 other classes. It always does.
TBC PvP? Still no difference to Wrath. When TBC was first released i seem to remember ferals being way overpowered. There is always one class winning everything till they attempt to balance things.
Thanks T
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Hmm you used to enjoy PvP pre-TBC. You enjoyed 2 months of no sleep to even get near GM/Warlord title. You enjoyed being owned by people with PvE items from raiding which were better than anything available EXCEPT at GM/Warlord. You enjoyed being owned by the 2 classes which were flasvour of the month at the time. You say it's DK's Pallies now? That will change soon to 2 other classes. It always does.
TBC PvP? Still no difference to Wrath. When TBC was first released i seem to remember ferals being way overpowered. There is always one class winning everything till they attempt to balance things.
Thanks T
I enjoyed the reasonable balance and gameplay of it. Nothing to do with the honor system/titles
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
I enjoyed the reasonable balance and gameplay of it. Nothing to do with the honor system/titles
Reasonable balance my arse. Warcraft pvp has NEVER been reasonably balanced. You're saying now that retri pallies own everything. Go back to about half way into TBC and before. Retri pallies were close to the WORSE class you could play PvP. Go back to pre-tbc and even into the start of TBC. Warlocks were SOOO overpowered it was stupid.
And how is it balance when you get people with gear from raiding winning 90% of BGG's against people with just pvp gear (Not a hard statistic but i have been playing the game since a month after release).
There has ALWAYS been a flavour of the month class (except with 'locks when it was flavour of the approx 2 years class :P )
As the person posting previously asked. How much of this game have you played?
Thanks T
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
In the end, Blizzard wins, you lose. People who enjoy the game win too, people who don't like it, well, cry me a freaking river, stop gripping about somethign you're not playing and if you're playing and don't like it, quit. I did! There are a bunch of other MMOs that can use some subs to keep them going, and shit, you might enjoy one of them.
Only LOTRO is better in my view. Having said that it really depends on what class you are playing, Wow balance is worse then most MMO's. Currently if your playing a Warrior or a Warlock, the game is horrible X100 if your on a PVP server.
where can i get a good, FREE, general purpose guide for wow?
DH
Hmm you used to enjoy PvP pre-TBC. You enjoyed 2 months of no sleep to even get near GM/Warlord title. You enjoyed being owned by people with PvE items from raiding which were better than anything available EXCEPT at GM/Warlord. You enjoyed being owned by the 2 classes which were flasvour of the month at the time. You say it's DK's Pallies now? That will change soon to 2 other classes. It always does.
TBC PvP? Still no difference to Wrath. When TBC was first released i seem to remember ferals being way overpowered. There is always one class winning everything till they attempt to balance things.
Thanks T
I enjoyed the reasonable balance and gameplay of it. Nothing to do with the honor system/titles
Also VERY convieniant to NOT answer my post above about the Raid completion statistics of "easy" WotLK.
Only 0.2% of ALL the raiding guilds could complete the Raiding achievements of WotLK after 3 months playing day and night....Not bad for "an introduction Raid content" of WotLK with 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4 to follow.
0.2% and ALL these WotLK Raid achievements are based on ... skill (NOT grind).
Oh and these guys get a title, so titles last, gear not.
Yeah, but they are the real players, not the moaners...who dabble a bit in the solo world and think that getting to level 80 is anything.
the raids were defeated within the first week of Wrath....try again. And titles last lol? Is that your idea of character progression. have fun
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Shit game is shit. Simple as that.
It's WoW's fault the MMO industry is such crap. Because of blizzards success, companies aren't willing to invest in anything truly different.
It could just as easily be said that the mmo market is full of crap, because of so many different companies releasing... crap. Whos fault is it exactly that so many crap games were released? Blizzard for making 1 game or many other companies for many other failures? Seriously, who wants to invest into a failed mmo or emulate failure?
Perhaps if those other companies started releasing decent games and were successful this wouldn't be an issue. Somehow I don't think you would be willing to pin the same amount of responsibility on blizzard if the market was filled with lots of great games.
you need a guide to play wow? Hope you never get a driver's license
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
That's why there are 71.000 pages on www.wowwiki.com
and over a 100.000 pages on www.wowinsider.com and www.thottbot.com
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
When all other arguments fail,Wow haters INSULT WOW PLAYERS;
Just play the copies of the orginal and still THINK you have a BLIZZARD quality game.
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look at this topic, 39 pages about proving that WoW is the best? lol I think noone is insulting WoW players, I think they are just making fun of WoW players...
Every mmo is copy of wow, every other mmo is crap, wow is the best, wow rule, wow rox, wow pwnz,wow has xxxx subscribers - is best, wow has this and this - is best...Your opinion, just shut up, get back to WoW stop trying to prove that your game is the best to ppl who don't like that game because for them WoW is not best mmo..
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
Playing: CS:GO
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
That's why there are 71.000 pages on www.wowwiki.com
and over a 100.000 pages on www.wowinsider.com and www.thottbot.com
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks.
11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains".
Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine.
So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
That's why there are 71.000 pages on www.wowwiki.com
and over a 100.000 pages on www.wowinsider.com and www.thottbot.com
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks.
11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains".
Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine.
So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
ROFL which game is difficult?
You say that people are protective of Wow cause they find other games too difficult, how do you know this?
Do you find other games too difficult?
IMHO WoW is no more easy or difficult than LOTROL, WAR, VG, etc etc.
For your guidance, games that people may find diffifcult are twitched based games, like FPS or driving sims where the gamer does not have the required hand eye coordination to be very good. Others are things like Chess and Suduku where you need brain power to win.
MMOs have non of this so they cannot really be said to be difficult!
To the OP, WoW is ranked 21 based on the opinion of people on this site, 99.9% of people here have played WoW and most have now moved on, hence the rating, it has nothing to do with the quality of WoW etc.
WoW is without doubt the best MMO on the market at the moment, many strive to attain its high standards but fail. Everyone knows this even though they dont admit to it.
People love to put WoW down after playing it extensively, WoW is with out doubt the most accesible and has the most quality of any MMO on the market at the moment, people tend to confuse Accessibilty with Ease and hence in their elitist opinion they think wow is easy and beneath them!
Driver's license?!? Hell, if you need a guide to play WoW, you probably also need diapers.
EDIT: I'm correcting my statement. That would be spandex -- on a big fat female dwarf with a cigarette in one hand and a corn-dog in the other. After all, WoW is the Wal-Mart of MMOs
That's why there are 71.000 pages on www.wowwiki.com
and over a 100.000 pages on www.wowinsider.com and www.thottbot.com
Yep, millions of webpages to help Wow players defeat the bosses and another zillion add-ons for raids and other help.
My point exactly. All that web space for a game that an average 7 year-old can master in a few weeks.
11 million subs. There's a reason for that. The very same reason why millions of people tune in to American Idol. They have a condition called "mush-for-brains".
Personally, I think the reason WoW players are so protective of their game is because they find many other games too difficult. Blaming the game is a great way to shfit focus off of them and hide that fact (in reality, nobody would care). I understand it -- when you are used to playing fluff its hard to quickly jump into anything more challenging. The truth is that anyone can learn to play these games. WoW players have been spoon fed like babies through most of their MMO experience and haven't learned to pick up the spoon and eat for themselves. Like babies, they whine, blubber and throw temper tantrums when forced to do anything outside of their usual routine.
So yeah, keep blubbering...it's charming...really...
ROFL which game is difficult?
You say that people are protective of Wow cause they find other games too difficult, how do you know this?
Do you find other games too difficult?
IMHO WoW is no more easy or difficult than LOTROL, WAR, VG, etc etc.
For your guidance, games that people may find diffifcult are twitched based games, like FPS or driving sims where the gamer does not have the required hand eye coordination to be very good. Others are things like Chess and Suduku where you need brain power to win.
MMOs have non of this so they cannot really be said to be difficult!
To the OP, WoW is ranked 21 based on the opinion of people on this site, 99.9% of people here have played WoW and most have now moved on, hence the rating, it has nothing to do with the quality of WoW etc.
WoW is without doubt the best MMO on the market at the moment, many strive to attain its high standards but fail. Everyone knows this even though they dont admit to it.
People love to put WoW down after playing it extensively, WoW is with out doubt the most accesible and has the most quality of any MMO on the market at the moment, people tend to confuse Accessibilty with Ease and hence in their elitist opinion they think wow is easy and beneath them!
Next WoW "fan" who thinks everyone played wow for a long time because wow is the best, after long time in wow everyone here get bored and thats why we hate wow.. What can I say? I dont hate wow, i dont like wow and wow fans because they are weird
I know many people who play wow, almost everyone of them said me that they dont like community in wow, that comunity in wow just SUUUUX. They like only theirs guild.. Most of my friends are playing wow because his/her friends or because it was most known mmo (they didnt know about others mmo) So? You are just proving that community in wow is just horrible. I was playing wow to lvl 52 on free server, so i woudnt say i played wow i tried wow.. And still i dont like it. I dont like it even before i tried it because it looks boring for me, now its still boring for me.. WoW is just baad game imo.. So who i am? 
Im not player who was playing wow for long time but im playing mmo for long time, i dont like wow.. i think im not alone 
WoW is not best mmo in my opinion. And WoW fans? just band of ignorants who cant accept opinions of other people.. WoW was just mmo with huge marketing most people knew about it so they tried it because it was something new..
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
Playing: CS:GO
Finally some honesty. Far to many people on this site get burned out on a game and turn that into faults in the game. Many go way overboard like you have and don't even realize it. Just because they are not bored with it like you are doesn't somehow diminish the game in any capacity.
As for the community, it is strange how many people say this same thing and then act in the way you do. Calling people names and throwing around insults. It sounds like you are the source of problems and not everyone else.
Also you just admitted you played on a free server and never really played the game. Serioulsy you want to contribute here as if you are well versed about the game, let alone that you have experienced the community? I think that explains all that needs to be said about you.
I don't think anyone is refusing your opinion that wow isn't better than most games. You however seem to be in denial that your opinion is in the very small minority and want to build it up as being some undeniable truth that people just won't change their views to agree with. Great you don't like the game that you have have all the wrong exposure to. Good luck with that.
Ok name that fantasy game that is to difficult to understand for an average wow player. Put you money where your mouth is and name a game.
I bet you can't, because they all play nearly identical.
Personally I think people insult millions of other people as lesser people, because they have no real merit to their discussion otherwise.
Finally some honesty. Far to many people on this site get burned out on a game and turn that into faults in the game. Many go way overboard like you have and don't even realize it. Just because they are not bored with it like you are doesn't somehow diminish the game in any capacity.
As for the community, it is strange how many people say this same thing and then act in the way you do. Calling people names and throwing around insults. It sounds like you are the source of problems and not everyone else.
Also you just admitted you played on a free server and never really played the game. Serioulsy you want to contribute here as if you are well versed about the game, let alone that you have experienced the community? I think that explains all that needs to be said about you.
I don't think anyone is refusing your opinion that wow isn't better than most games. You however seem to be in denial that your opinion is in the very small minority and want to build it up as being some undeniable truth that people just won't change their views to agree with. Great you don't like the game that you have have all the wrong exposure to. Good luck with that.
I'm not insulting anyone. And yes I said that I tried it on a free server but also I said I didnt play it, I tried it.. I know free server isnt ofice. But I wasnt impresed by wow before that so I just wanted to try it first on free server and it didnt change my opinion on that. Also you have music charts on whole world, in every coutnry win someone else. And we have here community of players around mmorpg and they are saying that wow is not best for them. If you are talking about numbers.. Yes than is WoW best - has more subscribers than other mmos. But number of subscribers doesn't mean your game is good for every player. I'm not saying that if WoW could be my first mmo i would't play it. I like that graphic, I know players dont like it because of it but its WoW graphic, its kind of diferent but other stuff I dont like realy much. I can solo almost everything to about 50, not sure. :P I know it was freeserver
But in lotro is realy huge number of party quests and I enjoy that game much more than WoW. I think wow is good first or second mmo but i was playing GW, L2 and RO before WoW and I just wanted something with more group play which I found in Lotro.
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
Playing: CS:GO
You comment on the wow community as if you have 1st hand experience with it. You then insult the fans by calling them ignorant for not accepting your views (or theirs it depends on how you chose to word it). You +1
someone who laughs at someone asking for a wow guide and calls them "young" as an offhanded insult.
So yes you do in fact lace your opinions with insults as I said. Not to the extent that some do, but still.
Fine that you do not like wow after having all the grand exposure a free server has to offer and a few of your friends opinions. Good for you, no one is taking that away from you. However, don't pretend that your opinion is somehow more valid than the next person, especially people that actually play. Also don't act like a game cannot be great and be higher quality than the next games simply because you personally don't enjoy it.
Right now that just puts you in the minority and flies in the face of just about the entire market. It is hard to make an argument that wow isn't the most polished and finished mmo on the market. It may not be the "best" game for every single mmo player, but it sure is doing a lot more correct and enjoyable for far more people than just about every other game combined.
You should not look at the rankings here on MMORPG, this is a corrupt forum.
Trolls are voting down everything cause they did get banned cause they used a bot or something cause they are lazy as mfs. A #21 position would be a top 3 without all the retards on MMORPG forums.
And for other retards saying WoW is a game for 7 year olds, well you have obviously not played the game.
Ok name that fantasy game that is to difficult to understand for an average wow player. Put you money where your mouth is and name a game.
I bet you can't, because they all play nearly identical.
Personally I think people insult millions of other people as lesser people, because they have no real merit to their discussion otherwise.
UO (pre-Trammel), Original EQ, Shadowbane (early, before you whiners ruined it)
EDIT: And if you think UO is identical to WoW then one thing I know for sure: You have NO MMO experience other than WoW.
The only one acting like a 7 year old....is the guy playing the dull copy cat product of Wow (and doesn't even realise it).
Well, that's the pot calling the kettle black, now isn't it?