The lower WOW is rated on this site the lower the site`s credibility drops. This site has alot of real mmo gamers who dont like some of the things WOW has to offer and that is cool I understand. Alot of it how ever is completely stupid. For example alot of people will tell you either WAR,AOC or Guildwars is better than WOW. That is just stupid none of these games even come close.
There is no mmo now or ever that is even in the same league as WOW. WOW is so far ahead of the curve I would even say no other game has ever even come close to being able to be compared to WOW. That being said I have gotten a bit tired of WOW after 4 years and I would rather play LOTRO. LOTRO is not better then WOW but I think there is some stuff in there that I would like to do more then the stuff in WOW.
WOW is the best MMO ever created that is a fact! not an opinion. It works on almost everyones computer and it runs smoothly. It has style , it feels like a world and it is fun. To be simple WOW is a great game simply because it works.
...alot of people will tell you either WAR,AOC or Guildwars is better than WOW. That is just stupid none of these games even come close. There is no mmo now or ever that is even in the same league as WOW. WOW is so far ahead of the curve I would even say no other game has ever even come close to being able to be compared to WOW. That being said I have gotten a bit tired of WOW after 4 years and I would rather play LOTRO. LOTRO is not better then WOW but I think there is some stuff in there that I would like to do more then the stuff in WOW. WOW is the best MMO ever created that is a fact! not an opinion. It works on almost everyones computer and it runs smoothly. It has style , it feels like a world and it is fun. To be simple WOW is a great game simply because it works.
And that my friends, is why people hate the WoW community. The inability to understand that "good' or 'bad' are subjective terms. And an inability to see validity in any opposing viewpoint.
If you look at the actual review breakdown on this site for WoW, it's easy to see why it rated so far down the list. It got good marks in almost every category, even getting a generous 8.5 for graphics. The category that really drags it down is community. So the worst thing about WoW is it's community? I couldn't agree more.
I find the community here awarding low scores to any mmo community to be filled with all manner of inconsistancies and hypocracy.
I couldn't agree more.
MMORPG.com posters claiming WoW has a poor community? Pot, meet kettle.
If you look at the actual review breakdown on this site for WoW, it's easy to see why it rated so far down the list. It got good marks in almost every category, even getting a generous 8.5 for graphics. The category that really drags it down is community. So the worst thing about WoW is it's community? I couldn't agree more.
I find the community here awarding low scores to any mmo community to be filled with all manner of inconsistancies and hypocracy.
I couldn't agree more.
MMORPG.com posters claiming WoW has a poor community? Pot, meet kettle.
As long as we're throwing around clichés, "it takes one to know one". ":)
You may be accurate in your assessment of the community here, but it doesn't make their opinion of WoW's community any less valid. I don't see how comparing the community of a website to the community of an MMO is any less accurate than comparing WoW to a Big Mac or Brittney Spears.
Originally posted by Zorndorf Talking about a bad community in Wow is about the last straw element for Wow haters, because all other decent arguments fail.
Or maybe it's actually what people think. WoW sucks. That is my opinion of the game... not something I am pretending is my opinion. The WoW fanboys only have one argument. 10 million people blah blah blah. The only compelling thing about this game is the number of people playing it. It's an ugly, old boring game that is mediocre at best. I can name 15 MMOs I think are better. I think the WoW community sucks. Every WoW player that posts on these forums seems to be a bit of a jack-ass. Or maybe it's just the most vocal ones... this thread is overflowing with the clowns.
It's a aging piece of software. Unless WoW2 is pretty far along, in a few years this game will be a memory. It already looks pretty old compared to the modern MMOs coming out. The guys here that think it's somehow ageless are in for a rude awakening. Video games don't last forever... not even great ones.
WoW is just mmo light, nice and quick, well polished, if you want something more beefy, you have to look somewhere else, but if you want to keep it simple, WoW is for you.
I rate the following games better then WoW :
1. DAoC during the SI-era
2. SWG pre cu-nge
3. EVE Online
4. Ryzom
5. LOTRO
6. WAR
So WoW is my number 7, but I haven't played all the other games, so there might be more of them that I like better then WoW, Guild Wars definatly not tho thats not an mmorpg ...
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Whatever dude. Show me one post where I proclaim that a game is the greatest game ever made, or the only game worth playing, or where I say that anyone who doesn't think it's the greatest game in the history of the human race is an idiot. The flat out dismissal of any opposing viewpoint is absurd with you guys. You really seem to believe that if someone else says they like another game better than WoW, they are lying and have some kind of ulterior motive for denigrating the game.
SOME PEOPLE JUST DON"T LIKE WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Why is that so hard to accept?
Whatever dude. Show me one post where I proclaim that a game is the greatest game ever made, or the only game worth playing, or where I say that anyone who doesn't think it's the greatest game in the history of the human race is an idiot. The flat out dismissal of any opposing viewpoint is absurd with you guys. You really seem to believe that if someone else says they like another game better than WoW, they are lying and have some kind of ulterior motive for denigrating the game. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON"T LIKE WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Why is that so hard to accept?
Lol, calm down.
Oh I've no issue with people disliking WoW or any game for that matter. Nor do I have any issues with debating with such people. Having said that some people aren't interested in debate and simply expect agreement.
Don't get upset when people post a counter argument, and don't slam a community for an attitude while doing no better yourself.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Get over it, we are playing THE game and you are frustrated by it.
More of that condescending WoW fanboy attitude right there. You guys just keep proving my point.
I think you illustrate exactly what I was saying about the community here and how that relates to their opinions.
You can barely go one or two sentences without insulting and generalizing millions of people. People on these forums act like they are some sort of mmo royalty and are somehow "real mmo players". Those are not my words, just look a few posts up for someone claiming that and then launching into a an insult laden post about how wow players suck.
People here go on to cry about how the wow community sucks (not really sure what the problem is to be honest) which is usually followed by a flurry of name calling and insults. It is like people do not understand how they present themselves when trying to make a point. If people are acting like children here while complaining about a community somewhere else then based on what I read here I have to think they are the problem. If any of that elitist condescending attitude shows through in wow it is no wonder they have issues with people there.
Now I'm sure you and every other real mmo gamer is now going to change your tune and say what angels you are and it wasn't you. Feel free, but I think we can see who has the attitudes and who doesn't.
If you come to a forum or game and do nothing but slather your "opinion" with insults and bad mouthing, don't cry when you get the same in return and then pretend that you are somehow better than those you instigated. You act like wow players slander you all day or are somehow mean spirited. Why don't you stop and reread your posts for a little bit ok? Replace the word WoW with the word Salvatoris and tell me how it reads then and who is acting like what.
This thread is realy funny, you are saying that these people are not mmo royalty and you are probably right, but WoW players are not royalty but they think that they are. Your game is here 21st, so what? So you had to do new thread about your own opinion that wow is the best :P and there is not 20 better game than wow. Also every wow player thinks that every mmo player was or is playing wow.. lol? WoW is piece of crap for someone live with that.
I know many WoW players who are playing wow only because they spend lot of time to create theirs characters and they dont want to leave them. I tried WoW but I think its realy boring game. Better games are for me: Ragnarok Online, ROSE Online, Lotro, AoC, Lineage 2, Guild Wars, DaoC, EQ2, Neocron, KAL online, Face of Mankind, EVE online, UO, SWG and maybe i would find some others if i would tried them.
WoW has maybe more players than others MMO but that doesnt mean its the best.. There are many better online games but WoW has so many players because almost every PC player knows Warcraft, there was big marketing etc.. You can accept these facts or say as almost every WoW fanatic who is posting here that we are liars and WoW is the best and other mmo is crap. For you yes for someone nope. Go to WoW forums there you can say WOW RULE and maybe almost everyone will be agree with you.
P.S. Sorry for my english.. :P
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I am fine with the fact that there are plenty of people that do not like wow and am sure other are as well. (well not everyone here )
At the same time azzatsky, that doesn't mean the small community here is somehow more right in their opinions as if they are mmo royalty with special insight into gaming that wow noobs just don't understand.
You don't like wow, but that doesn't make it "fact" that the game is crap. Then you go on to speak for millions of people as if the only reaons they play is due to advertising or they don't want to leave their characters. This is hogwash made up in an attempt to validate your opinion and discredit the opinions of millions of others. Very nice.
So you say wow is boring and only has lots of people playing due to marketing. So if there are so many other games that are obviously much better than wow, why don't people play them? Why are they losing subscribers? Why would people continue to pay for a boring game, spread good word of mouth about the game and not try these other better mmos?
It is fine that you don't like wow, but at the same time please don't paint millions of other peoples opinions as less than yours just so you can feel superior and correct.
The fact is more people choose to play wow over other mmos that have the same exact barrier to entry. There are many varied reasons for this, but the results are still the same. If there were so many other better products on the market then at least one of them would gain some sort of foothold and at the very least swell with former wow players looking for a new mmo to play.
I am fine with the fact that there are plenty of people that do not like wow and am sure other are as well. (well not everyone here ) At the same time azzatsky, that doesn't mean the small community here is somehow more right in their opinions as if they are mmo royalty with special insight into gaming that wow noobs just don't understand. You don't like wow, but that doesn't make it "fact" that the game is crap. Then you go on to speak for millions of people as if the only reaons they play is due to advertising or they don't want to leave their characters. This is hogwash made up in an attempt to validate your opinion and discredit the opinions of millions of others. Very nice.
So you say wow is boring and only has lots of people playing due to marketing. So if there are so many other games that are obviously much better than wow, why don't people play them? Why are they losing subscribers? Why would people continue to pay for a boring game, spread good word of mouth about the game and not try these other better mmos? It is fine that you don't like wow, but at the same time please don't paint millions of other peoples opinions as less than yours just so you can feel superior and correct.
The fact is more people choose to play wow over other mmos that have the same exact barrier to entry. There are many varied reasons for this, but the results are still the same. If there were so many other better products on the market then at least one of them would gain some sort of foothold and at the very least swell with former wow players looking for a new mmo to play.
Well said. I've never understood why people who hate a game would spend their time trolling that game's forum for any other reason than to be a troll.
I didn't like Warhammer or Second Life. I found Second Life too much like SIMS(a game I despise) and Warhammer too dependent on grouping. Yet I don't spend my time trolling their forums and declaring that their games suck. That's what third graders do. Ironic when you consider that the WOW bashers are usually leveling that same imature charge against WOW players.
If you don't like WOW, don't play it. Play something else. Spending time trolling forums with hate is a waste of time because it's not like the developers of that game are here to hear it.It only makes you look like, well, a
I didn't say that every WoW player plays WoW because he/she dont want to leave their characters or because of marketing, someone is playing WoW because he/she likes it and I said that someone likes it Also someone is playing WoW because of friends, its same with other MMOs. But WoW was first mmorpg with big marketing and almost everyone knows about it. Who knows about EQ2? or Lineage2? I mean usual people who are not playing mmo. Almost noone. About wow? almost everyone Its good mmo for some and for some nope. Thats all.
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In comparison to who has never heard of WoW, who has never heard of:
Dungeons and Dragons?
The sims?
Star Wars?
Conan?
Warhammer?
Ultima?
Lord of the rings?
All very popular franchises, none rivaling the success. There is far more to success than marketing, hype and brand name recognition.
There is a reason so many people have heard about wow, it is called word of mouth. It is a powerful tool that is near impossible to buy and hard to retain if there isn't some merit behind those words.
Dungeon and Dragons? almost noone from normal people in my country
Sims? almost everyone
Star Wars? movie almost everyone, mmorpg? almost noone
Conan? same as star wars
warhammer? desk game and mmo, almost noone in my country
ultima? from non-mmo players? not as bad as D and D or warhammer but also not as good as sims
lord of the rings? same as star wars and conan
And none rivaling the success? You mean that none of this can compare with WoW? I'm not sure if I understand to that, thats why Im asking.
And word of mouth? Yes, but if you target more people than is word of mouth more succesful.. So.. all is about marketing. You just have to prove that WoW is the best havent you? You cant sleep if someone thinks that WoW isnt best?
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It's too bad we couldn't rank WoW in terms of patches. Pre-BC was some of the most fun. Hell, I even thought BC's pvp was pretty good. It was never 100% balanced, but it was fun.
Wrath has just been a disaster, at least for me. After a couple months I just decided to cancel recently. The PvP sustained that game and it's been run over completely with no thought or care to balance.
I was finally finding myself logging in, standing around Dalaran with the option of running the same heroics over and over where I'll be getting gear that's already been handed out. I could go into BGs, but PvP is a complete joke with Ret/DKs just facerolling over everyone.
I'd probably rank Wrath of the Lich King as one of the sloppiest expansions considering Blizzard previous high reputation for quality games. It deserves lower then 21. As for Pre-Wrath this game was in the top 3 easily, but it's been a depressing downhill journey.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
It's too bad we couldn't rank WoW in terms of patches. Pre-BC was some of the most fun. Hell, I even thought BC's pvp was pretty good. It was never 100% balanced, but it was fun. Wrath has just been a disaster, at least for me. After a couple months I just decided to cancel recently. The PvP sustained that game and it's been run over completely with no thought or care to balance. I was finally finding myself logging in, standing around Dalaran with the option of running the same heroics over and over where I'll be getting gear that's already been handed out. I could go into BGs, but PvP is a complete joke with Ret/DKs just facerolling over everyone. I'd probably rank Wrath of the Lich King as one of the sloppiest expansions considering Blizzard previous high reputation for quality games. It deserves lower then 21. As for Pre-Wrath this game was in the top 3 easily, but it's been a depressing downhill journey.
Good try for someone who couldn't say ONE word positive about Wow before WotLK.
WotLK is based on a beautiful journey throughout a terrific designed Northrend. 93% ratings on real review websites.
PvP patch 3.08 did already a hell of a job of balancing the PvP game 3 weeks (!) after being opened (PvP gear came only on Dec 17th and arena season began on that day).
Today again a new PvP patch coming up 3.09 and the new 3.1 is already commented very positively by the community.
You see: the arena makes this happen: eveyone can track the arena results and see how good balance is.
So complaining about PvP in Wow, is already lagging one step behind the moment one complains. Fixes - so every class can be UP - are faster than complainers can act.
And please Mal, don't let me point to all your hatred postings against Wow MONTHS before Wotlk even came out.
93%: highest rated MMORPG expansion ever. I can't help it either mmorpg.com is a reunion of wow hate.
haha
The pvp is a mess. You sure you've even played it lately? You got a dk don't you? Even an intelligent death knight can see how bad the game has gotten. Arenas is only proving my point more. It's 50% dks/paladins.
I'm quite flattered you remembered me. Must of made an impression.
WoW has been going downhill. The only thing nice about Wrath were the enviroments. Everything else was one massive handout with a side of terrible balance.
It's popular, not that great a game tho. What's popular by a horde of facerollin part-timers isn't always the best indication of a good game. Sorry to break it to you. The best of WoW is in the past. That's why it's gone from the top 3 on this site all the way down to 21. Proving how accurate this site really is when it comes to judging online games.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
Originally posted by Malvolentia The best of WoW is in the past. That's why it's gone from the top 3 on this site all the way down to 21. Proving how accurate this site really is when it comes to judging online games.
Lets look at some of the gems in the top 25 list here shall we?
Saga of Ryzom... backrupt and closed down a few times.
Tabula Rasa... Failed, shutting down at the end of the month.
Hellgate: london. Failed, bankrupt, sold and transformed into who knows what now.
Vangaurd which has been in the top 25 since its release and we all know how well that launched.
A couple of F2P games and obscure P2P games that combined muster so few posts in their respective forums that they can be counted on one hand each month.
Sorry if I just don't agree that this website has their finger on the pulse of the mmo industry or that most of the views here are anything buy objective. To many people treat the rankings here as some sort of battleground.
No there isn't. There isn't a PC game that is better-selling than WoW. WoW has sold more copies than any other game. Not than any other PC game, not than any other MMO. Than any other game. Ever. eh? What?
WoW = 9.1 million sold (est)
Sims = 16.08 million games sold.
Than any other game ever?......
Top 9 best selling games of all time are over 20 million copies sold.
Number 1 = Wii Sports with a touch over FOURTYTWO MILLION
WoW comes at number 37 on the list.Not even in the top 10 !!!!!!
Thanks T
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Originally posted by Malvolentia The best of WoW is in the past. That's why it's gone from the top 3 on this site all the way down to 21. Proving how accurate this site really is when it comes to judging online games.
Sorry if I just don't agree that this website has their finger on the pulse of the mmo industryor
Then why are you here scrubsauce?
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
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The lower WOW is rated on this site the lower the site`s credibility drops. This site has alot of real mmo gamers who dont like some of the things WOW has to offer and that is cool I understand. Alot of it how ever is completely stupid. For example alot of people will tell you either WAR,AOC or Guildwars is better than WOW. That is just stupid none of these games even come close.
There is no mmo now or ever that is even in the same league as WOW. WOW is so far ahead of the curve I would even say no other game has ever even come close to being able to be compared to WOW. That being said I have gotten a bit tired of WOW after 4 years and I would rather play LOTRO. LOTRO is not better then WOW but I think there is some stuff in there that I would like to do more then the stuff in WOW.
WOW is the best MMO ever created that is a fact! not an opinion. It works on almost everyones computer and it runs smoothly. It has style , it feels like a world and it is fun. To be simple WOW is a great game simply because it works.
And that my friends, is why people hate the WoW community. The inability to understand that "good' or 'bad' are subjective terms. And an inability to see validity in any opposing viewpoint.
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I find the community here awarding low scores to any mmo community to be filled with all manner of inconsistancies and hypocracy.
I couldn't agree more.
MMORPG.com posters claiming WoW has a poor community? Pot, meet kettle.
I find the community here awarding low scores to any mmo community to be filled with all manner of inconsistancies and hypocracy.
I couldn't agree more.
MMORPG.com posters claiming WoW has a poor community? Pot, meet kettle.
As long as we're throwing around clichés, "it takes one to know one". ":)
You may be accurate in your assessment of the community here, but it doesn't make their opinion of WoW's community any less valid. I don't see how comparing the community of a website to the community of an MMO is any less accurate than comparing WoW to a Big Mac or Brittney Spears.
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Or maybe it's actually what people think. WoW sucks. That is my opinion of the game... not something I am pretending is my opinion. The WoW fanboys only have one argument. 10 million people blah blah blah. The only compelling thing about this game is the number of people playing it. It's an ugly, old boring game that is mediocre at best. I can name 15 MMOs I think are better. I think the WoW community sucks. Every WoW player that posts on these forums seems to be a bit of a jack-ass. Or maybe it's just the most vocal ones... this thread is overflowing with the clowns.
It's a aging piece of software. Unless WoW2 is pretty far along, in a few years this game will be a memory. It already looks pretty old compared to the modern MMOs coming out. The guys here that think it's somehow ageless are in for a rude awakening. Video games don't last forever... not even great ones.
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WoW is just mmo light, nice and quick, well polished, if you want something more beefy, you have to look somewhere else, but if you want to keep it simple, WoW is for you.
I rate the following games better then WoW :
1. DAoC during the SI-era
2. SWG pre cu-nge
3. EVE Online
4. Ryzom
5. LOTRO
6. WAR
So WoW is my number 7, but I haven't played all the other games, so there might be more of them that I like better then WoW, Guild Wars definatly not tho
thats not an mmorpg ...
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More of that condescending WoW fanboy attitude right there. You guys just keep proving my point.
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More of that condescending WoW fanboy attitude right there. You guys just keep proving my point.
Do you know Kettle?
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Whatever dude. Show me one post where I proclaim that a game is the greatest game ever made, or the only game worth playing, or where I say that anyone who doesn't think it's the greatest game in the history of the human race is an idiot. The flat out dismissal of any opposing viewpoint is absurd with you guys. You really seem to believe that if someone else says they like another game better than WoW, they are lying and have some kind of ulterior motive for denigrating the game.
SOME PEOPLE JUST DON"T LIKE WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Why is that so hard to accept?
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Lol, calm down.
Oh I've no issue with people disliking WoW or any game for that matter. Nor do I have any issues with debating with such people. Having said that some people aren't interested in debate and simply expect agreement.
Don't get upset when people post a counter argument, and don't slam a community for an attitude while doing no better yourself.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
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More of that condescending WoW fanboy attitude right there. You guys just keep proving my point.
I think you illustrate exactly what I was saying about the community here and how that relates to their opinions.
You can barely go one or two sentences without insulting and generalizing millions of people. People on these forums act like they are some sort of mmo royalty and are somehow "real mmo players". Those are not my words, just look a few posts up for someone claiming that and then launching into a an insult laden post about how wow players suck.
People here go on to cry about how the wow community sucks (not really sure what the problem is to be honest) which is usually followed by a flurry of name calling and insults. It is like people do not understand how they present themselves when trying to make a point. If people are acting like children here while complaining about a community somewhere else then based on what I read here I have to think they are the problem. If any of that elitist condescending attitude shows through in wow it is no wonder they have issues with people there.
Now I'm sure you and every other real mmo gamer is now going to change your tune and say what angels you are and it wasn't you. Feel free, but I think we can see who has the attitudes and who doesn't.
If you come to a forum or game and do nothing but slather your "opinion" with insults and bad mouthing, don't cry when you get the same in return and then pretend that you are somehow better than those you instigated. You act like wow players slander you all day or are somehow mean spirited. Why don't you stop and reread your posts for a little bit ok? Replace the word WoW with the word Salvatoris and tell me how it reads then and who is acting like what.
This thread is realy funny, you are saying that these people are not mmo royalty and you are probably right, but WoW players are not royalty but they think that they are. Your game is here 21st, so what? So you had to do new thread about your own opinion that wow is the best :P and there is not 20 better game than wow. Also every wow player thinks that every mmo player was or is playing wow.. lol? WoW is piece of crap for someone live with that.
I know many WoW players who are playing wow only because they spend lot of time to create theirs characters and they dont want to leave them. I tried WoW but I think its realy boring game. Better games are for me: Ragnarok Online, ROSE Online, Lotro, AoC, Lineage 2, Guild Wars, DaoC, EQ2, Neocron, KAL online, Face of Mankind, EVE online, UO, SWG and maybe i would find some others if i would tried them.
WoW has maybe more players than others MMO but that doesnt mean its the best..
There are many better online games but WoW has so many players because almost every PC player knows Warcraft, there was big marketing etc.. You can accept these facts or say as almost every WoW fanatic who is posting here that we are liars and WoW is the best and other mmo is crap. For you yes for someone nope. 
Go to WoW forums there you can say WOW RULE and maybe almost everyone will be agree with you.
P.S. Sorry for my english.. :P
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
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I am fine with the fact that there are plenty of people that do not like wow and am sure other are as well. (well not everyone here
)
At the same time azzatsky, that doesn't mean the small community here is somehow more right in their opinions as if they are mmo royalty with special insight into gaming that wow noobs just don't understand.
You don't like wow, but that doesn't make it "fact" that the game is crap. Then you go on to speak for millions of people as if the only reaons they play is due to advertising or they don't want to leave their characters. This is hogwash made up in an attempt to validate your opinion and discredit the opinions of millions of others. Very nice.
So you say wow is boring and only has lots of people playing due to marketing. So if there are so many other games that are obviously much better than wow, why don't people play them? Why are they losing subscribers? Why would people continue to pay for a boring game, spread good word of mouth about the game and not try these other better mmos?
It is fine that you don't like wow, but at the same time please don't paint millions of other peoples opinions as less than yours just so you can feel superior and correct.
The fact is more people choose to play wow over other mmos that have the same exact barrier to entry. There are many varied reasons for this, but the results are still the same. If there were so many other better products on the market then at least one of them would gain some sort of foothold and at the very least swell with former wow players looking for a new mmo to play.
Well said. I've never understood why people who hate a game would spend their time trolling that game's forum for any other reason than to be a troll.
I didn't like Warhammer or Second Life. I found Second Life too much like SIMS(a game I despise) and Warhammer too dependent on grouping. Yet I don't spend my time trolling their forums and declaring that their games suck. That's what third graders do. Ironic when you consider that the WOW bashers are usually leveling that same imature charge against WOW players.
If you don't like WOW, don't play it. Play something else. Spending time trolling forums with hate is a waste of time because it's not like the developers of that game are here to hear it.It only makes you look like, well, a
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I didn't say that every WoW player plays WoW because he/she dont want to leave their characters or because of marketing, someone is playing WoW because he/she likes it and I said that someone likes it
Also someone is playing WoW because of friends, its same with other MMOs. But WoW was first mmorpg with big marketing and almost everyone knows about it. Who knows about EQ2? or Lineage2? I mean usual people who are not playing mmo. Almost noone. About wow? almost everyone 
Its good mmo for some and for some nope. Thats all.
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
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In comparison to who has never heard of WoW, who has never heard of:
Dungeons and Dragons?
The sims?
Star Wars?
Conan?
Warhammer?
Ultima?
Lord of the rings?
All very popular franchises, none rivaling the success. There is far more to success than marketing, hype and brand name recognition.
There is a reason so many people have heard about wow, it is called word of mouth. It is a powerful tool that is near impossible to buy and hard to retain if there isn't some merit behind those words.
Dungeon and Dragons? almost noone from normal people in my country
Sims? almost everyone
Star Wars? movie almost everyone, mmorpg? almost noone
Conan? same as star wars
warhammer? desk game and mmo, almost noone in my country
ultima? from non-mmo players? not as bad as D and D or warhammer but also not as good as sims
lord of the rings? same as star wars and conan
And none rivaling the success? You mean that none of this can compare with WoW? I'm not sure if I understand to that, thats why Im asking.
And word of mouth? Yes, but if you target more people than is word of mouth more succesful.. So.. all is about marketing.
You just have to prove that WoW is the best havent you? You cant sleep if someone thinks that WoW isnt best? 
Played: Lineage 2,Guild Wars 1 and 2, Age of Conan, Ragnarok Online, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, League of Legends, EvE online
Tried: KAL Online, Face of Mankind, ROSE online
Playing: CS:GO
It's too bad we couldn't rank WoW in terms of patches. Pre-BC was some of the most fun. Hell, I even thought BC's pvp was pretty good. It was never 100% balanced, but it was fun.
Wrath has just been a disaster, at least for me. After a couple months I just decided to cancel recently. The PvP sustained that game and it's been run over completely with no thought or care to balance.
I was finally finding myself logging in, standing around Dalaran with the option of running the same heroics over and over where I'll be getting gear that's already been handed out. I could go into BGs, but PvP is a complete joke with Ret/DKs just facerolling over everyone.
I'd probably rank Wrath of the Lich King as one of the sloppiest expansions considering Blizzard previous high reputation for quality games. It deserves lower then 21. As for Pre-Wrath this game was in the top 3 easily, but it's been a depressing downhill journey.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Good try for someone who couldn't say ONE word positive about Wow before WotLK.
WotLK is based on a beautiful journey throughout a terrific designed Northrend. 93% ratings on real review websites.
PvP patch 3.08 did already a hell of a job of balancing the PvP game 3 weeks (!) after being opened (PvP gear came only on Dec 17th and arena season began on that day).
Today again a new PvP patch coming up 3.09 and the new 3.1 is already commented very positively by the community.
You see: the arena makes this happen: eveyone can track the arena results and see how good balance is.
So complaining about PvP in Wow, is already lagging one step behind the moment one complains. Fixes - so every class can be UP - are faster than complainers can act.
And please Mal, don't let me point to all your hatred postings against Wow MONTHS before Wotlk even came out.
93%: highest rated MMORPG expansion ever. I can't help it either mmorpg.com is a reunion of wow hate.
haha
The pvp is a mess. You sure you've even played it lately? You got a dk don't you? Even an intelligent death knight can see how bad the game has gotten. Arenas is only proving my point more. It's 50% dks/paladins.
I'm quite flattered you remembered me. Must of made an impression.
WoW has been going downhill. The only thing nice about Wrath were the enviroments. Everything else was one massive handout with a side of terrible balance.
It's popular, not that great a game tho. What's popular by a horde of facerollin part-timers isn't always the best indication of a good game. Sorry to break it to you. The best of WoW is in the past. That's why it's gone from the top 3 on this site all the way down to 21. Proving how accurate this site really is when it comes to judging online games.
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served
Lets look at some of the gems in the top 25 list here shall we?
Saga of Ryzom... backrupt and closed down a few times.
Tabula Rasa... Failed, shutting down at the end of the month.
Hellgate: london. Failed, bankrupt, sold and transformed into who knows what now.
Vangaurd which has been in the top 25 since its release and we all know how well that launched.
A couple of F2P games and obscure P2P games that combined muster so few posts in their respective forums that they can be counted on one hand each month.
Sorry if I just don't agree that this website has their finger on the pulse of the mmo industry or that most of the views here are anything buy objective. To many people treat the rankings here as some sort of battleground.
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
There is not even 5 better MMO's let alone 20. Im not a WoW fanboi but im not going to sit here and look like an idiot in saying "WoW should be #21".
Sorry if I just don't agree that this website has their finger on the pulse of the mmo industryor
Then why are you here scrubsauce?
WoW fanboi: "lolz 11.5 million customers, itz obviously da best"
McDonald's: over 1 billion burgers served