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Whaa is a beta test to me, and why there is no beta test on DF TO ME
I do have a personally view of what is a beta (closed or open).
Before going on it, I must say that I am an avid DF supporter. To me, its the holy grail of the MMOs, its the last hope and I am really waiting for this game.
However, I am no fool. There is NO beta test of any kind, and thats pretty clear for me. To me (TO ME) a beta test is a process mostly to feedback the game, using the chaotic handling of the game users to test the game (techinically or not). So the non-controlled factor is crucial to a beta test, otherwise is not a beta test, its olny internal test.
When Tasos came with that bullshit of few pro beta tester, last year if I am not wrong, it was the first time I sense some s* in the air. Clearly the game, then, wasnt going to have any beta test... And all the ´explanations´ of why they would be only dealing with ´professional´ beta testers was pure bullshit... The simply didnt believe in the game enough to open it.
Now, I believe that there is 10 ´beta´ testers at maximum (due to the lack of information about it), and all hand-picked), and, no, its IMPOSSIBLE to keep it in secret if tehre is more than a dozen beta-testers, EVEN if all of them were Tasos brothers, the info would leak. Therefore, in my conception, ther is no beta test going on. Only internal test.
And the things turn uglier when you have all phony marketing thing of the beta (I am talking about the quotes of the ´beta´, clearly false).
Thats my opinion, I really hoipe to be wrong...
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there 100% garrentee beta is going but only about 50ish people form the forums have been invited
i cant prove that number but doesnt matter to me
I dont believe in 50 people not leaking any info (and in that I include the mere info of stating that someone IS in the beta) . The only people who leaked that they WAS on somekind of beta test was Tesos friends or a commercial site on Italy, and that's it. Very suspicious. I do believe in, at maximum, 10 people on this 'beta'... And hand-picked (probably all the brothers and sister, plus close friends of Tesos, or even only the dev team, plus 2 or 3 people).
And thats the point. This thing doesnt make a beta, at least on my eyes. Beta test involves the chaos possibility, people testing, stressing the system, the game... Thats not possible on a controlled environment... This isnt a beta test at all.
Plus, if you get the 'quotes' you have the impression that the beta have tons of people tehre, which is NOT truth at all...
lol would you leak if you had to physicaly sign the nda ? and only 50 peole where in its kinda easy to pick out who the leaker is.
btw how do you think i know how many testers there is? all im going to do is sit back and smile and know your wrong
ps there is probly more than that but i couldnt get exact number.
and you can tell some of the quotes are from the same people
Yes and I even would mail it back to Aventurine and Tasos saying I broke it.
Know why? Because there's nothin they would be able to do. NDA's are joke. And only designed to HIDE bad things.
downtoearth, please go jump into an industrial thresher face first. You're not in beta, you have to be older than 18 to enter (and I doubt you're older than 8).
Anyway, there are more than 10 beta testers (or 50, for that matter) and there have been NDA-breaking leaks. You are apparently oblivious of their existance...
Anyway, why are you so sure that the beta quotes are false? Do you have any evidence? Or is that just a random hunch?
im 23... no im not in beta never said i was. plus if i signed an nda for a gmae ive bene actulyl following im not breakign shitunlesss there lieing off their rocker
As I said, I hope I am wrong...
You are, then, the FIRST person to say that is on beta test... (you are on the beta test, as you put in here).
By the way 50 beta-tester do not make a beta-test. near to the launch... For where I know doesnt even make a technical beta test (the early, not the ENDING stage of a game development).
Oh, and if there is 50 people on beta, it is easy to send a dubious review of the beta any where, something like :
`The trees textures are ok, while the animation is not so good, the PvP is working well because this and that' , and NEVE, NO ONE, would discover you. And would be a good thing for the game, since would proof taht there is, indeed a beta test, FOR REAL, not with Tasos friends only...
Notice that I am not saying to beta leak info, I wouldnt, but certainly in a world of 50, SOMEONE would!!!
That's pretty sad... at least if you were 8 there'd be hope for you growing up one day.
Seriously, 'gmae'? 'bene'? 'actulyl'? That would be poor even by 8 year old standards. A dyslexic, inbred 8 year old's standards.
Call it a gut feeling. Its just like an AD to be truth, even the 'bad' parts are followed with a 'but, wait, there is also that which is sooo coool'.. All the elements of a constructed advertisement is there... It looks like those quotes on the movies posters : 'Amazing feeling of deep...' '..So much love on it...'
I had made tons of betas, the commentaries are NOT like this, even when we praise the game, its all just too phony in there, IMHO... So, yes, its a gut feeling, plus some experience on beta development, AND some knowledge of advertisement (bad marketing, by the way).
If there is a beta (a real one), the quots are not from tehre, it all came from Tasos head. Its just my opinion, I really, really, really hope to be wrong, because if the game is 50% of what it promises I will jump on it like I never did on any MMO...
you need to just sit back and relax and stop making stupid threads like this
leaks have happen you just miss them but mostly there all in private sections or in private .
please just sit back and relax this is just a game.
aventurine is doing testing much diffrent than anyother dev team. sof ar it seems like tis working but wont really know until they run a huge stress test.
and no im not in bet aor i would have the real ammount of testers on hand lol
That's cool. I had the feeling at first that they were fake, because a few seem somewhat similar (I think he was just quoting the same guy a couple times now though). To be honest, the best evidence I can think of for them being genuine quotes is that... if he were making it up, he could've done a lot better than that.
Either way, I guess we'll find out soon one way or another whether the beta is real or not.
EDIT - downtoearth, what did I just say? Get in the goddamn thresher!
That's cool. I had the feeling at first that they were fake, because a few seem somewhat similar (I think he was just quoting the same guy a couple times now though). To be honest, the best evidence I can think of for them being genuine quotes is that... if he were making it up, he could've done a lot better than that.
Either way, I guess we'll find out soon one way or another whether the beta is real or not.
EDIT - downtoearth, what did I just say? Get in the goddamn thresher!
lmao
Got it, there is leak, but leaked on a secret place, where there is no leaks... Got it...
What's next? The beta of the beta?
Iam cool, but I dont wanna to be fooled AGAIN.. You know, I felt on Funcom story, God, now looking back I was a fanboy of AoC!! Althought I think AoC is not the mess taht everyone tells, its far from what they promised... Its pretty clear to me now.. thats why I am trying to have a realistic approach of any game that I think its worth our money.
DF is a good scenarym a good idea, a good system. In fact, its the best since SWG (IMHO). I think we have to tell EVERY company that we dont buy bullshit anymore, they cant lie to us like this and get easy with them... I am doing my part, being critic and asking for some TRUTH (please, where is the open beta who would END at early december?!??!).
If you REALLY like DF, then push some truths through Tasos, put him in the wall, tell him that you are not happy with the way he is handling the whole thing (lies, mostly). If we did that on AoC, MAYBE it would be a great game.
Every day I think that the big plague of any MMO game is the fanboy crowd, who blinds the devs and investors about the truth (the first are easily fouled by their own egos).
Remember Dark & Light, Remember AoC... Otherwise the easy-way-MMO (Aka. WoW) will tell that a complex game would not work, and will just jump the REAL reason of why those games failed. The lies of the companies, pushed up by the fanboys.
I think attacking someone on a personal level because of something they say about a video game is a direct reflection on your own maturity level. Reading through this thread, it's obvious that some people would rather attack the messenger than the message.
I don't know if DF has a real beta going or not. However, I do know that they (the company) have done very little over the years to inspire a great deal of trust in what they say. Their comments come across as dodgey at best. Asking anyone to hang on their every word or to have faith in what they are telling us is simply asking too much.
For DF, it's time to put up or shut up. The next month or two will be very revealing, and I'm guessing we'll see a lot more threads like this one.
That's cool. I had the feeling at first that they were fake, because a few seem somewhat similar (I think he was just quoting the same guy a couple times now though). To be honest, the best evidence I can think of for them being genuine quotes is that... if he were making it up, he could've done a lot better than that.
Either way, I guess we'll find out soon one way or another whether the beta is real or not.
EDIT - downtoearth, what did I just say? Get in the goddamn thresher!
hmmm... you may be right on that one.. Good point.
lol would you leak if you had to physicaly sign the nda ? and only 50 peole where in its kinda easy to pick out who the leaker is.
btw how do you think i know how many testers there is? all im going to do is sit back and smile and know your wrong
ps there is probly more than that but i couldnt get exact number.
and you can tell some of the quotes are from the same people
So your saying theres only what 50-70 people beta testing this game, and that they all are pretty much in greece as they had to "physicaly sign the nda" ie had to be there in person to put a pen to papper? (Electronically signing isn't the same as Physically signing.)
Sorry but for a game due to be released any week now (and Tasos has not said there will be any delays, which would be something they would HAVE to know by this point if there was) it doesn't sound like much of a actual stress test of Df or its servers.
Giana said there were around 100 testers.
Sounds like a perfectly valid early stage public beta to me.
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Less than 2 weeks from release? You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of development.
darkfall is feature complete and ready to be released in december, all fo the current beta testers are having a great time, and are so busy playing the game, the feature complete, ready to be released in december game, that they haven't had any time to release real quotes. They were two weeks behind schedule. and the beta testers are all having a really good time.
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I hope you are right...
By the way, to have such important info, that answer all our doubts about the very strange and secretive beta test you MUST be on beta (not only know the cousin of the brother of the friend of the bake or your uncle who is in the beta, which, until now, not even this I have seen)
IF there is beta i think there is less then 10 people. If as some says there is 50 or 100 testers there would be leaks, intentional or not. But it seems as if all testers just test game for week and get killed. And that if testers are family members or close friends. If there is only is people who where chosen from forums/beta sign ups there would be leak for sure.
It is almost like they wanna rise hype(in really stupid way), then make preorders possible 2(hmm it is DF so say 1year) months before game released and run away.... Maybe run some crapy game and say to buyers: we gave you game, we havent said anything about it, so go f**k yourselves...
Less than 2 weeks from release? You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of development.
I didn't say that I thought it was going to release on time.
You will obviously need much longer to do stress testing and completel balancing. But 100 testers is a valid public beta any way you cut it.
Also, I very highly doubt you know what you are talking about in terms of development. Real software is rarely released to large numbers of external users for all but the very last stages of public testing.
(Uzik ibnYaraq in game. Always willing to help.)
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Less than 2 weeks from release? You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of development.
I didn't say that I thought it was going to release on time.
You will obviously need much longer to do stress testing and completel balancing. But 100 testers is a valid public beta any way you cut it.
Also, I very highly doubt you know what you are talking about in terms of development. Real software is rarely released to large numbers of external users for all but the very last stages of public testing.
They have been in a closed beta state with .. I'll guess.. around this many testers since... the begining of this year.
And to address that last part..
You mean do large scale stress testing a few weeks before release?? The game is slated to do (release that is)..
Seems sort of illogical..
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It was just priceless, I got this picture of the greek army invading the house of the beta tester and killing them...
But its truth, 50 people cant hide a secret, on Internet... Its just impossible...
And, no, 100 people do not make a beta test, it makes an internal test... Specially near the launch... Dont even make a tech test, because there is more than 100 kinds of hardware configurations to test it... So, if there is a test with 100 people, then its pre-alpha state yet... A very early stage of development.. Which is strange if we believe Tasos...
Someone might have said this already but have they done a stress test on the server. FFS, it is supposed to be a persistent world. What are they going to do when 50,000 (or more) people log into this one server on the first day of launch. Guys, they just want your money from the box sales so that they can finish this game because they are running out. This is going to be the worst launch in the history of MMO's IMO.