Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
Yep, I agree with you 100%. This game is not a professional game and will be a joke if it is released then they claim it will be. That is fine I guess, there are alot of unproffesional games, but I think there comes a point where MMORPG.COM staff need to take a hard look at this game and remove it for being one big scam.
Because, come January 22nd, this game will either not be released or be completely different from what they claim on their website.
Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
Yep, I agree with you 100%. This game is not a professional game and will be a joke if it is released then they claim it will be. That is fine I guess, there are alot of unproffesional games, but I think there comes a point where MMORPG.COM staff need to take a hard look at this game and remove it for being one big scam.
Because, come January 22nd, this game will either not be released or be completely different from what they claim on their website.
Well Ms. Cleo, can you tell me Friday's Powerball numbers?
And btw you do realise he was shown where Aventurine has provided footage showing most of that right?
Draccan has been proven wrong already lol wrong horse to back at this point lol.
Let's look at some more features: Ships and Naval Warfare: (quoted from Staatsschutz - just like many other green quotes in this thread by me) Ship movement is affected by prevailing weather conditions (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html Sophisticated fleet engagements with dozens of ships on each side, attacks on land from the sea, and combined land-sea operations are all possible in Darkfall (AR 2, SR 8) Source: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/736/736911p1.html There will be Sea Monsters in Darkfall (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.43023 A cannonball shot off a ship can not only damage but physically disorient an entire party by blowing them away (AR 6, SR 7) Source: http://www.womengamers.com/interviews/darkfall.php We were on a smaller eight-gun ship, but they said the largest is huge with 50-guns (AR 6, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can shoot from each cannon (AR 8, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 The cannon can be destroyed, the ship can be sunk, you can board the ship and kill, or you can just make your way to the captain who steers it and turn the guns away from your ship (AR 5, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 You can bombard buildings or even people on the shore from the ship (AR 7, SR 8) Source: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=43219 Sooo Funcom and WAR had to cut classes. AoC launched with sieges even in the game. Just look at the above. What does it look like? I will tell you what it looks like... it looks like something that is being THOUGHT UP. Like I sit down and write a list of everything I can think of to put in the game. Can anyone just show ONE VIDEO of any of these features being in the game? Just one? ONE?? ANYONE?
I didn't think so. Therefore I have to say - a month before release - DARKFALL is a scam! And mmorpg.com is a proxy for Darkfall / Aventurine / Tasos
Yep, I agree with you 100%. This game is not a professional game and will be a joke if it is released then they claim it will be. That is fine I guess, there are alot of unproffesional games, but I think there comes a point where MMORPG.COM staff need to take a hard look at this game and remove it for being one big scam.
Because, come January 22nd, this game will either not be released or be completely different from what they claim on their website.
What about MMORPG.com removes YOU if DF get released ?
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Seeing all the defenders of he allmighty darkfall shrine post every day with such a passion makes you really feel sorry for them, its obvious such a person cant have a life(you know who you are) and will believe just anything and anything.
Seeing all the defenders of he allmighty darkfall shrine post every day with such a passion makes you really feel sorry for them, its obvious such a person cant have a life(you know who you are) and will believe just anything and anything.
Nah not really those I feel sorry for are those belonging to the cult of Anti DarkFall. Must be a sad and lonely life preaching salvation to those that laugh at them. Hard to believe some get so worked up over the fact that some people enjoy things they seem not to lol. They seem to take it personal and to the point they feel the need to attack them lol.
Thats who I feel sorry for atleast.
Besides I am sure you see the redundancy in your post right? I mean if the fans will believe just anything and anything then why do they not believe the trolls?
Seeing all the defenders of he allmighty darkfall shrine post every day with such a passion makes you really feel sorry for them, its obvious such a person cant have a life(you know who you are) and will believe just anything and anything.
Nah not really those I feel sorry for are those belonging to the cult of Anti DarkFall. Must be a sad and lonely life preaching salvation to those that laugh at them. Hard to believe some get so worked up over the fact that some people enjoy things they seem not to lol. They seem to take it personal and to the point they feel the need to attack them lol.
Thats who I feel sorry for atleast.
Besides I am sure you see the redundancy in your post right? I mean if the fans will believe just anything and anything then why do they not believe the trolls?
There is a difference by following the game with your own opinion instead believing everything said by tasos because you are fanboy who adores everything about the game so much he wont question anything and will denie every logical thing because of it, culminating with so much passion and dedication devoted to defend your views no matter how wrong and distorted or flawed they are. I really wonder is that a person who doesnt have a life or someone who can rise above being a sheep and taking darkfall simply as a game. Dont know how to put it other way.
So if i see anyone being so sheeped about the game that they cant accept the rational skepticism with facts and reason that they will spend hours and hours to bash them just for the sake of lunatic fanboism than yes i do feel sorry for those people, again dont know how to put it other way.
edit: THere are no cults of anti darkfall, actually people dont find the game that important to make cults about it but rather its a good discussion will this be another mmo fail or not, so far seems as fail.
Seeing all the defenders of he allmighty darkfall shrine post every day with such a passion makes you really feel sorry for them, its obvious such a person cant have a life(you know who you are) and will believe just anything and anything.
Nah not really those I feel sorry for are those belonging to the cult of Anti DarkFall. Must be a sad and lonely life preaching salvation to those that laugh at them. Hard to believe some get so worked up over the fact that some people enjoy things they seem not to lol. They seem to take it personal and to the point they feel the need to attack them lol.
Thats who I feel sorry for atleast.
Besides I am sure you see the redundancy in your post right? I mean if the fans will believe just anything and anything then why do they not believe the trolls?
There is a difference by following the game with your own opinion instead believing everything said by tasos because you are fanboy who adores everything about the game so much he wont question anything and will denie every logical thing because of it, culminating with so much passion and dedication devoted to defend your views no matter how wrong and distorted or flawed they are. I really wonder is that a person who doesnt have a life or someone who can rise above being a sheep and taking darkfall simply as a game. Dont know how to put it other way.
So if i see anyone being so sheeped about the game that they cant accept the rational skepticism with facts and reason that they will spend hours and hours to bash them just for the sake of lunatic fanboism than yes i do feel sorry for those people, again dont know how to put it other way.
Sadly We will simply have to agree to disagree. I haven't seen any logical arguements with anything supporting them against DarkFall. I mean everything that has been brought up lately is either easily counterd by facts or it is something none of us know or can know until we have played it for ourselve's.
edit: THere are no cults of anti darkfall, actually people dont find the game that important to make cults about it but rather its a good discussion will this be another mmo fail or not, so far seems as fail.
As for the red portion above. I am sorry I did not realise you were a DF fan. I mean I thought you were someone against DarkFall trying to save others from it. I mean that certainly sounds like a cult to me lol, glad you don't do that.
edit: THere are no cults of anti darkfall, actually people dont find the game that important to make cults about it but rather its a good discussion will this be another mmo fail or not, so far seems as fail. As for the red portion above. I am sorry I did not realise you were a DF fan. I mean I thought you were someone against DarkFall trying to save others from it. I mean that certainly sounds like a cult to me lol, glad you don't do that.
I think the point is that there are a lot of trolls running around who want to throw around the word "vaporware" and get the fans all riled up. Pointless bullshit if you ask me. But hey, at least it keeps things interesting. Put 500 people who like a game in one forum and then add 10 who think the game's going to suck (or are just bored) and watch the fireworks.
TTH is going to be doing this community member interview thing. I'm a premium member, so I've seen some of the questions asked. Don't know which ones TTH is going to pick to send to Aventurine, but so far there are some really good questions. LOTS of questions! lol Wouldn't want to be the person selecting the ones to send to the devs. Wouldn't want to be the devs having to answer them, either. We'll see what they answer and how they spin it. To me, most dev talk is just spin anyhow.
They are doing this for a reason because they are not out to make money from the start. They want to create a game that people enjoy and will play, that is all.
Has this been officially released? No, but it's pretty obvious that this is why they don't have pre-orders or lots of marketing, etc. etc.
I fail to understand why some ppl are always so naive. They are not out to make money? Dude, are you seriously believing that shit? They dont have a life to live or a family to feed?
Some other nonsense like "they prefer a slower start", "they want to be low profile" LOL
With the financial crisis now, believe me THEY WANT ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. Stop living in yr fantasy world.
Originally posted by Draccan If we take a long look at the feature list from darkfalls own homepage, what we see is an endless stream of promises. Who here believes Aventurine can deliver on such a deep and varied game, with a small development team, where their engine has been swapped several times and where we literally haven't seen any examples of most of the below? And why believe when there is not one piece of credible evidence they can deliver? Look at the features and FAQ info from their website, quoted in full context:
How can this small team create and balance this game? With hundreds of unique skills in a skill system? Where are any supporting evidence that all this exists? EVEN IF they had a development of 500 and large company and $ behind them I would still doubt them. But this is just plain silly.
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Can't believe for same reasons.
"They want to create a game that people enjoy and will play, that is all. "
You're living in a fantasy world, wake up. We're talking about business, not about games.
No I don't think all the features they listed will be there on release. But you guys are just being ignorant tards for flaming them without even looking at the released information. I have given you all you need. Go look at it all before you act like they haven't given any proof.
Oh and they have only taken out 10 million in loans.
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due the influence of many philosophers in the past (sophism and platonism were enemy schools).
A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic, i.e. raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion. The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is, e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques. An argument Ad Hominem is an example of Sophistry.
A sophist is a user of sophisms, i.e., an insincere person trying to confuse or deceive people. A sophist tries to persuade the audience while paying little attention to whether his argument is logical and factual.
Sophistry means making heavy use of sophisms. The word may be applied to a particular text or speech riddled with sophisms."
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due the influence of many philosophers in the past (sophism and platonism were enemy schools).
A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic, i.e. raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion. The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is, e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques. An argument Ad Hominem is an example of Sophistry.
A sophist is a user of sophisms, i.e., an insincere person trying to confuse or deceive people. A sophist tries to persuade the audience while paying little attention to whether his argument is logical and factual.
Sophistry means making heavy use of sophisms. The word may be applied to a particular text or speech riddled with sophisms."
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If it releases with 50% feaqtures working reasonably well it should do OK. The trouble will be if the majority of systems and mechanics are too out of kilter to be fun. Its got to be hard balancing 500 skills so you dont get messed up OP combos. Guess we'll see soon.
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due the influence of many philosophers in the past (sophism and platonism were enemy schools).
A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic, i.e. raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion. The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is, e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques. An argument Ad Hominem is an example of Sophistry.
A sophist is a user of sophisms, i.e., an insincere person trying to confuse or deceive people. A sophist tries to persuade the audience while paying little attention to whether his argument is logical and factual.
Sophistry means making heavy use of sophisms. The word may be applied to a particular text or speech riddled with sophisms."
I hope that you're not trying to suggest that "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is sophistry in action because, actually, it's a completely sound argument: watch a magician perform a card trick or two, or maybe ask yourself if a moonless night is evidence that the Sun occasionally leaves the Solar System to visit Procyon and everyone on the opposite side of the world from you is in on the conspiracy.
The reporting of false negatives is a problem in a lot of research -- often times there simply isn't enough information to come to any sort of definite conclusion, but some people aren't careful enough to make that distinction and therefore take the absence of evidence quite literally as proof of the evidence of absence. This is also known as an "appeal to ignorance."
If you did in fact mean to play the sophistry card against the quote "Absence...", then I'd count your quoting of wikipedia, ironically, as true sophistry in action. Well done.
They are doing this for a reason because they are not out to make money from the start. They want to create a game that people enjoy and will play, that is all.
Has this been officially released? No, but it's pretty obvious that this is why they don't have pre-orders or lots of marketing, etc. etc.
I fail to understand why some ppl are always so naive. They are not out to make money? Dude, are you seriously believing that shit? They dont have a life to live or a family to feed?
Some other nonsense like "they prefer a slower start", "they want to be low profile" LOL
With the financial crisis now, believe me THEY WANT ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. Stop living in yr fantasy world.
How do you know that these other people want to make all the money they can get? And how is that tied to the current financial crisis? And why does that necessarily mean that they have issue pre-orders to do what you say they need to do?
At any rate, I'm certain that you won't really care to definitively answer these, so why don't you at least stop telling people to believe you until you can first demonstrate to them that there is any real need for them to do so, instead?
I for one have absolutely nothing to lose by continuing to live in whatever kind of world it is that I'm in right now. I doubt your level awareness of things would show me anything I didn't already know or at least have already suspected was the case, so I guess I'll just stick with being admittedly naive for now. Oh well. Tra, la, la... (Have you got the inside scoop on something I don't know about?)
I'm not suggesting that I agree with aeroplane22, however -- both your last posts are fairly grating for all their simplistic notions -- but there certainly are ways to make more money over the long term with a "slower start", especially in a relatively small, fickle MMORPG industry already ruled at the top by a handful of established names, glutted with free-to-play clones and crappy wannabes at the bottom.
Thank you for the concern, though. If it turns out you're right and it's all a scam... well, that's great for you, I guess, being all right and stuff. I'm not sure what you get out of this, but no one from Aventur-whatever is asking me for anything yet, so yeah. Whatever. Feel free to continue to hint at your own cleverness in presumably finding all the devils in the details (or lack thereof). If it turns out you're wrong, well, you can always log into Darkfall (and mmorpg.com) with a different name and reap the rewards without anyone ever having to know. So I guess you can win no matter what, if you really want to.
Besides, the chances of failure always greatly outweigh the chances of success with any new title, so even if it manages to stay up and running for a year or two, when the subsription rate starts to go down the tubes, you'll be able to say that it was clearly all a scam because it was never really meant to last.
Now, if only I was so clever to be as future proof as you are, I wouldn't be so bitter. *sigh*
So where is Original Eggplant or whatever he is called.. come tell us all how they created this feature complete mmo with such a small team? A huge open world, twitchy combat mechanics? You can make kingdoms and more in depth ressources and crafting than anyone else? Can they even just create that many skills and test them in this time and create all the spell effects? What happened with the whole pirating business? Where are the proof??? Enlighten us!
My guess the reason they aren't/won't do preorders is because those are normally done for games that are sold in boxes. I'm willing to bet there will never be a Darkfall box.
They are doing this for a reason because they are not out to make money from the start. They want to create a game that people enjoy and will play, that is all.
Has this been officially released? No, but it's pretty obvious that this is why they don't have pre-orders or lots of marketing, etc. etc.
I fail to understand why some ppl are always so naive. They are not out to make money? Dude, are you seriously believing that shit? They dont have a life to live or a family to feed?
Some other nonsense like "they prefer a slower start", "they want to be low profile" LOL
With the financial crisis now, believe me THEY WANT ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. Stop living in yr fantasy world.
How do you know that these other people want to make all the money they can get? And how is that tied to the current financial crisis? And why does that necessarily mean that they have issue pre-orders to do what you say they need to do?
At any rate, I'm certain that you won't really care to definitively answer these, so why don't you at least stop telling people to believe you until you can first demonstrate to them that there is any real need for them to do so, instead?
I for one have absolutely nothing to lose by continuing to live in whatever kind of world it is that I'm in right now. I doubt your level awareness of things would show me anything I didn't already know or at least have already suspected was the case, so I guess I'll just stick with being admittedly naive for now. Oh well. Tra, la, la... (Have you got the inside scoop on something I don't know about?)
I'm not suggesting that I agree with aeroplane22, however -- both your last posts are fairly grating for all their simplistic notions -- but there certainly are ways to make more money over the long term with a "slower start", especially in a relatively small, fickle MMORPG industry already ruled at the top by a handful of established names, glutted with free-to-play clones and crappy wannabes at the bottom.
Thank you for the concern, though. If it turns out you're right and it's all a scam... well, that's great for you, I guess, being all right and stuff. I'm not sure what you get out of this, but no one from Aventur-whatever is asking me for anything yet, so yeah. Whatever. Feel free to continue to hint at your own cleverness in presumably finding all the devils in the details (or lack thereof). If it turns out you're wrong, well, you can always log into Darkfall (and mmorpg.com) with a different name and reap the rewards without anyone ever having to know. So I guess you can win no matter what, if you really want to.
Besides, the chances of failure always greatly outweigh the chances of success with any new title, so even if it manages to stay up and running for a year or two, when the subsription rate starts to go down the tubes, you'll be able to say that it was clearly all a scam because it was never really meant to last.
Now, if only I was so clever to be as future proof as you are, I wouldn't be so bitter. *sigh*
So in a nutshell your telling us you don't think a gaming company is out to make money. Do you know what investors are? Do you think they just randomly INVEST in games to see little to no profit just to make a fun game for you. Maybe the guy is right, your living in some fantasy world. And if you haven't noticed, the recession is global and effects everything. It may not effect Aventurine as much becuase I don't think they are pubically traded as of yet, but it does effect thier lives. People just don't start companies to make a small dollar. It's about the bigger picture. And this does not include you or what you beleive is FUN. Last I heard, you need cash to pay bills. You need cash to pay employees and you definatly need cash to support servers. I would honestly quit listening to Tasos. Hes nothing more than a pad PR rep for Aventurine, and it's going to show when this game releases. I suggest MMORPG.com make a forum on Jan. 22th just for this occasion. Good Day dreamer!!
All that happened in the last few months is the game has gone from being citied by some as "vapourware" to "dubious" in many peoples minds. For me, this game still has loads of warning bells ringing. The lack of solid information, poor PR, lack of leaks, lack of beta, small developers in a country not known for development (least not in my mind!). Even the next month is as unclear in many ways as the past year or so.
The only real thing i can say for the developers is maybe there small enough to be innovative. Sort of like classic cult films made a showstring budget. Yet this is harder to believe than the above. Truth is though after being burned with jsut about every game I have bought the last year .. I'm not very trusting. Which is not a bad thing !
Originally posted by qthulhu Besides, the chances of failure always greatly outweigh the chances of success with any new title
I think that single sentence is part of my feelings. Invariably many games do fail. Even games which are mediocre in features and have a large budget team behind them. Sometims the reasons are quite petty and generally a poor launch does not help the product. We may buy boxes and first month subscriptions BUT we invariably will not continue if a launch is poor. VG springs to mind here though even games like COH could be cited.
Though with DF the smaller team, small budget (?) AND massive amounts of promised features is even more risky. Though I find Tasos arrogant in the interviews I have seen I bear the game no ill. Though given the above I lack any faith to make a large leap that this game will be exceptional. The 22nd in some ways scary as well as exicting and I won't be buying for a good month after that !
The lack of leaks is what worries me, its like they haven't even had a closed beta and the game is supposed to be released 22jan. Hell even first wave closed beta with few users usally has a leak.
Stopped getting my hopes up for Darkfall maybe 2 years ago. Ohwell, even if it comes out 22jan there is no way in hell it has all those features. Haha srsly.
The lack of leaks is what worries me, its like they haven't even had a closed beta and the game is supposed to be released 22jan. Hell even first wave closed beta with few users usally has a leak.
Stopped getting my hopes up for Darkfall maybe 2 years ago. Ohwell, even if it comes out 22jan there is no way in hell it has all those features. Haha srsly.
There are some leaks, someone has a huge web blogg up that has a lot of things about DF, but its from the last beta which was .... 2006 i tink. Even so the game sounded good.
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Yep, I agree with you 100%. This game is not a professional game and will be a joke if it is released then they claim it will be. That is fine I guess, there are alot of unproffesional games, but I think there comes a point where MMORPG.COM staff need to take a hard look at this game and remove it for being one big scam.
Because, come January 22nd, this game will either not be released or be completely different from what they claim on their website.
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Yep, I agree with you 100%. This game is not a professional game and will be a joke if it is released then they claim it will be. That is fine I guess, there are alot of unproffesional games, but I think there comes a point where MMORPG.COM staff need to take a hard look at this game and remove it for being one big scam.
Because, come January 22nd, this game will either not be released or be completely different from what they claim on their website.
Well Ms. Cleo, can you tell me Friday's Powerball numbers?
And btw you do realise he was shown where Aventurine has provided footage showing most of that right?
Draccan has been proven wrong already lol wrong horse to back at this point lol.
Yep, I agree with you 100%. This game is not a professional game and will be a joke if it is released then they claim it will be. That is fine I guess, there are alot of unproffesional games, but I think there comes a point where MMORPG.COM staff need to take a hard look at this game and remove it for being one big scam.
Because, come January 22nd, this game will either not be released or be completely different from what they claim on their website.
What about MMORPG.com removes YOU if DF get released ?
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Seeing all the defenders of he allmighty darkfall shrine post every day with such a passion makes you really feel sorry for them, its obvious such a person cant have a life(you know who you are) and will believe just anything and anything.
Nah not really those I feel sorry for are those belonging to the cult of Anti DarkFall. Must be a sad and lonely life preaching salvation to those that laugh at them. Hard to believe some get so worked up over the fact that some people enjoy things they seem not to lol. They seem to take it personal and to the point they feel the need to attack them lol.
Thats who I feel sorry for atleast.
Besides I am sure you see the redundancy in your post right? I mean if the fans will believe just anything and anything then why do they not believe the trolls?
Nah not really those I feel sorry for are those belonging to the cult of Anti DarkFall. Must be a sad and lonely life preaching salvation to those that laugh at them. Hard to believe some get so worked up over the fact that some people enjoy things they seem not to lol. They seem to take it personal and to the point they feel the need to attack them lol.
Thats who I feel sorry for atleast.
Besides I am sure you see the redundancy in your post right? I mean if the fans will believe just anything and anything then why do they not believe the trolls?
There is a difference by following the game with your own opinion instead believing everything said by tasos because you are fanboy who adores everything about the game so much he wont question anything and will denie every logical thing because of it, culminating with so much passion and dedication devoted to defend your views no matter how wrong and distorted or flawed they are. I really wonder is that a person who doesnt have a life or someone who can rise above being a sheep and taking darkfall simply as a game. Dont know how to put it other way.
So if i see anyone being so sheeped about the game that they cant accept the rational skepticism with facts and reason that they will spend hours and hours to bash them just for the sake of lunatic fanboism than yes i do feel sorry for those people, again dont know how to put it other way.
edit: THere are no cults of anti darkfall, actually people dont find the game that important to make cults about it but rather its a good discussion will this be another mmo fail or not, so far seems as fail.
Nah not really those I feel sorry for are those belonging to the cult of Anti DarkFall. Must be a sad and lonely life preaching salvation to those that laugh at them. Hard to believe some get so worked up over the fact that some people enjoy things they seem not to lol. They seem to take it personal and to the point they feel the need to attack them lol.
Thats who I feel sorry for atleast.
Besides I am sure you see the redundancy in your post right? I mean if the fans will believe just anything and anything then why do they not believe the trolls?
There is a difference by following the game with your own opinion instead believing everything said by tasos because you are fanboy who adores everything about the game so much he wont question anything and will denie every logical thing because of it, culminating with so much passion and dedication devoted to defend your views no matter how wrong and distorted or flawed they are. I really wonder is that a person who doesnt have a life or someone who can rise above being a sheep and taking darkfall simply as a game. Dont know how to put it other way.
So if i see anyone being so sheeped about the game that they cant accept the rational skepticism with facts and reason that they will spend hours and hours to bash them just for the sake of lunatic fanboism than yes i do feel sorry for those people, again dont know how to put it other way.
Sadly We will simply have to agree to disagree. I haven't seen any logical arguements with anything supporting them against DarkFall. I mean everything that has been brought up lately is either easily counterd by facts or it is something none of us know or can know until we have played it for ourselve's.
edit: THere are no cults of anti darkfall, actually people dont find the game that important to make cults about it but rather its a good discussion will this be another mmo fail or not, so far seems as fail.
As for the red portion above. I am sorry I did not realise you were a DF fan. I mean I thought you were someone against DarkFall trying to save others from it. I mean that certainly sounds like a cult to me lol, glad you don't do that.
I think the point is that there are a lot of trolls running around who want to throw around the word "vaporware" and get the fans all riled up. Pointless bullshit if you ask me. But hey, at least it keeps things interesting. Put 500 people who like a game in one forum and then add 10 who think the game's going to suck (or are just bored) and watch the fireworks.
TTH is going to be doing this community member interview thing. I'm a premium member, so I've seen some of the questions asked. Don't know which ones TTH is going to pick to send to Aventurine, but so far there are some really good questions. LOTS of questions! lol Wouldn't want to be the person selecting the ones to send to the devs. Wouldn't want to be the devs having to answer them, either. We'll see what they answer and how they spin it. To me, most dev talk is just spin anyhow.
I fail to understand why some ppl are always so naive. They are not out to make money? Dude, are you seriously believing that shit? They dont have a life to live or a family to feed?
Some other nonsense like "they prefer a slower start", "they want to be low profile" LOL
With the financial crisis now, believe me THEY WANT ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. Stop living in yr fantasy world.
It is now safe to assume there is no DF coming out in three weeks and that DF should be removed from mmorpg.com
This is quite a charade!
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And your basis for this pointless post that seems to be nothing more than an attempt to BUMP your own post?
Lets see...
Confirmed they wont be updating the current DF homepage as a new one is being created, hopefully to go live just before launch....
Beta Key Competition carried out on some italian magazine, key won......
Noob Comic has been posting about what they can from the Beta, shows the game is indeed alive and ready for launch......
DF also completed a BETA FEEDBACK from people currently playing BETA..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Norsefire-logo.png
Thx to OP
Can't believe for same reasons.
"They want to create a game that people enjoy and will play, that is all. "
You're living in a fantasy world, wake up. We're talking about business, not about games.
It is hard for me to describe how stupid this thread has been. Half of you are asking for ONE VIDEO JUST ONE THAT SHOWS ALL THESE THINGS!
Well for shit's sake go look up a darkfall video. I will in fact link it since you retards refuse to watch it.
They have all that sieging shit clearly displayed. All the pirate stuff clearly displayed.
This is the main video, 17 minutes in game. Watch it all the way and come back if you still have questions.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/39524.html
Here is the Athens preview. Watch all three parts.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-qlpX6j-4
Here is the noob comic. Read all the beta preview discussion.
http://beta.thenoobcomic.com/df_preview/intro.html
No I don't think all the features they listed will be there on release. But you guys are just being ignorant tards for flaming them without even looking at the released information. I have given you all you need. Go look at it all before you act like they haven't given any proof.
Oh and they have only taken out 10 million in loans.
Can't you wait 30 days and see for yourself?
This thread is a waste of bandwidth.
sophism
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Modern usage
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due the influence of many philosophers in the past (sophism and platonism were enemy schools).
A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic, i.e. raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion. The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is, e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques. An argument Ad Hominem is an example of Sophistry.
A sophist is a user of sophisms, i.e., an insincere person trying to confuse or deceive people. A sophist tries to persuade the audience while paying little attention to whether his argument is logical and factual.
Sophistry means making heavy use of sophisms. The word may be applied to a particular text or speech riddled with sophisms."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism
sophism
"
Modern usage
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due the influence of many philosophers in the past (sophism and platonism were enemy schools).
A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic, i.e. raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion. The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is, e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques. An argument Ad Hominem is an example of Sophistry.
A sophist is a user of sophisms, i.e., an insincere person trying to confuse or deceive people. A sophist tries to persuade the audience while paying little attention to whether his argument is logical and factual.
Sophistry means making heavy use of sophisms. The word may be applied to a particular text or speech riddled with sophisms."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If it releases with 50% feaqtures working reasonably well it should do OK. The trouble will be if the majority of systems and mechanics are too out of kilter to be fun. Its got to be hard balancing 500 skills so you dont get messed up OP combos. Guess we'll see soon.
sophism
"
Modern usage
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due the influence of many philosophers in the past (sophism and platonism were enemy schools).
A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic, i.e. raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion. The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is, e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques. An argument Ad Hominem is an example of Sophistry.
A sophist is a user of sophisms, i.e., an insincere person trying to confuse or deceive people. A sophist tries to persuade the audience while paying little attention to whether his argument is logical and factual.
Sophistry means making heavy use of sophisms. The word may be applied to a particular text or speech riddled with sophisms."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism
I hope that you're not trying to suggest that "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is sophistry in action because, actually, it's a completely sound argument: watch a magician perform a card trick or two, or maybe ask yourself if a moonless night is evidence that the Sun occasionally leaves the Solar System to visit Procyon and everyone on the opposite side of the world from you is in on the conspiracy.
The reporting of false negatives is a problem in a lot of research -- often times there simply isn't enough information to come to any sort of definite conclusion, but some people aren't careful enough to make that distinction and therefore take the absence of evidence quite literally as proof of the evidence of absence. This is also known as an "appeal to ignorance."
If you did in fact mean to play the sophistry card against the quote "Absence...", then I'd count your quoting of wikipedia, ironically, as true sophistry in action. Well done.
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.html
I fail to understand why some ppl are always so naive. They are not out to make money? Dude, are you seriously believing that shit? They dont have a life to live or a family to feed?
Some other nonsense like "they prefer a slower start", "they want to be low profile" LOL
With the financial crisis now, believe me THEY WANT ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. Stop living in yr fantasy world.
How do you know that these other people want to make all the money they can get? And how is that tied to the current financial crisis? And why does that necessarily mean that they have issue pre-orders to do what you say they need to do?
At any rate, I'm certain that you won't really care to definitively answer these, so why don't you at least stop telling people to believe you until you can first demonstrate to them that there is any real need for them to do so, instead?
I for one have absolutely nothing to lose by continuing to live in whatever kind of world it is that I'm in right now. I doubt your level awareness of things would show me anything I didn't already know or at least have already suspected was the case, so I guess I'll just stick with being admittedly naive for now. Oh well. Tra, la, la... (Have you got the inside scoop on something I don't know about?)
I'm not suggesting that I agree with aeroplane22, however -- both your last posts are fairly grating for all their simplistic notions -- but there certainly are ways to make more money over the long term with a "slower start", especially in a relatively small, fickle MMORPG industry already ruled at the top by a handful of established names, glutted with free-to-play clones and crappy wannabes at the bottom.
Thank you for the concern, though. If it turns out you're right and it's all a scam... well, that's great for you, I guess, being all right and stuff. I'm not sure what you get out of this, but no one from Aventur-whatever is asking me for anything yet, so yeah. Whatever. Feel free to continue to hint at your own cleverness in presumably finding all the devils in the details (or lack thereof). If it turns out you're wrong, well, you can always log into Darkfall (and mmorpg.com) with a different name and reap the rewards without anyone ever having to know. So I guess you can win no matter what, if you really want to.
Besides, the chances of failure always greatly outweigh the chances of success with any new title, so even if it manages to stay up and running for a year or two, when the subsription rate starts to go down the tubes, you'll be able to say that it was clearly all a scam because it was never really meant to last.
Now, if only I was so clever to be as future proof as you are, I wouldn't be so bitter. *sigh*
My guess the reason they aren't/won't do preorders is because those are normally done for games that are sold in boxes. I'm willing to bet there will never be a Darkfall box.
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
I fail to understand why some ppl are always so naive. They are not out to make money? Dude, are you seriously believing that shit? They dont have a life to live or a family to feed?
Some other nonsense like "they prefer a slower start", "they want to be low profile" LOL
With the financial crisis now, believe me THEY WANT ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. Stop living in yr fantasy world.
How do you know that these other people want to make all the money they can get? And how is that tied to the current financial crisis? And why does that necessarily mean that they have issue pre-orders to do what you say they need to do?
At any rate, I'm certain that you won't really care to definitively answer these, so why don't you at least stop telling people to believe you until you can first demonstrate to them that there is any real need for them to do so, instead?
I for one have absolutely nothing to lose by continuing to live in whatever kind of world it is that I'm in right now. I doubt your level awareness of things would show me anything I didn't already know or at least have already suspected was the case, so I guess I'll just stick with being admittedly naive for now. Oh well. Tra, la, la... (Have you got the inside scoop on something I don't know about?)
I'm not suggesting that I agree with aeroplane22, however -- both your last posts are fairly grating for all their simplistic notions -- but there certainly are ways to make more money over the long term with a "slower start", especially in a relatively small, fickle MMORPG industry already ruled at the top by a handful of established names, glutted with free-to-play clones and crappy wannabes at the bottom.
Thank you for the concern, though. If it turns out you're right and it's all a scam... well, that's great for you, I guess, being all right and stuff. I'm not sure what you get out of this, but no one from Aventur-whatever is asking me for anything yet, so yeah. Whatever. Feel free to continue to hint at your own cleverness in presumably finding all the devils in the details (or lack thereof). If it turns out you're wrong, well, you can always log into Darkfall (and mmorpg.com) with a different name and reap the rewards without anyone ever having to know. So I guess you can win no matter what, if you really want to.
Besides, the chances of failure always greatly outweigh the chances of success with any new title, so even if it manages to stay up and running for a year or two, when the subsription rate starts to go down the tubes, you'll be able to say that it was clearly all a scam because it was never really meant to last.
Now, if only I was so clever to be as future proof as you are, I wouldn't be so bitter. *sigh*
So in a nutshell your telling us you don't think a gaming company is out to make money. Do you know what investors are? Do you think they just randomly INVEST in games to see little to no profit just to make a fun game for you. Maybe the guy is right, your living in some fantasy world. And if you haven't noticed, the recession is global and effects everything. It may not effect Aventurine as much becuase I don't think they are pubically traded as of yet, but it does effect thier lives. People just don't start companies to make a small dollar. It's about the bigger picture. And this does not include you or what you beleive is FUN. Last I heard, you need cash to pay bills. You need cash to pay employees and you definatly need cash to support servers. I would honestly quit listening to Tasos. Hes nothing more than a pad PR rep for Aventurine, and it's going to show when this game releases. I suggest MMORPG.com make a forum on Jan. 22th just for this occasion.
Good Day dreamer!!
All that happened in the last few months is the game has gone from being citied by some as "vapourware" to "dubious" in many peoples minds. For me, this game still has loads of warning bells ringing. The lack of solid information, poor PR, lack of leaks, lack of beta, small developers in a country not known for development (least not in my mind!). Even the next month is as unclear in many ways as the past year or so.
The only real thing i can say for the developers is maybe there small enough to be innovative. Sort of like classic cult films made a showstring budget. Yet this is harder to believe than the above. Truth is though after being burned with jsut about every game I have bought the last year .. I'm not very trusting. Which is not a bad thing !
I think that single sentence is part of my feelings. Invariably many games do fail. Even games which are mediocre in features and have a large budget team behind them. Sometims the reasons are quite petty and generally a poor launch does not help the product. We may buy boxes and first month subscriptions BUT we invariably will not continue if a launch is poor. VG springs to mind here though even games like COH could be cited.
Though with DF the smaller team, small budget (?) AND massive amounts of promised features is even more risky. Though I find Tasos arrogant in the interviews I have seen I bear the game no ill. Though given the above I lack any faith to make a large leap that this game will be exceptional. The 22nd in some ways scary as well as exicting and I won't be buying for a good month after that !
Its going to be mad on here come 22nd though...
The lack of leaks is what worries me, its like they haven't even had a closed beta and the game is supposed to be released 22jan. Hell even first wave closed beta with few users usally has a leak.
Stopped getting my hopes up for Darkfall maybe 2 years ago. Ohwell, even if it comes out 22jan there is no way in hell it has all those features. Haha srsly.
There are some leaks, someone has a huge web blogg up that has a lot of things about DF, but its from the last beta which was .... 2006 i tink. Even so the game sounded good.
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