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Ok..im going to throw in my two cents in this mess
Ive been following this game off and on since a few months after the twin towers collapsed. My son wasn't born and he's currently in first grade. Its enough to grab my attention but nothing really major after that; for the most part, the biggest thing that has grabbed my attention is the length of time it has taken to develope it....but this isn't why I am posting.
For almost eight years Ive heard of a few open beta promises and this time around the threw up some videos of ingame play. In terms of making the most sense and seeing the obvious, one would assume the promise of open beta and the game going retail at the end of 2008 was kind of tangible (however, a little suspiscious).
Now, it's December 09, 2008. They have about three weeks to pull this off and, if not, the major question will be: will anything horrible happen to a(d)venturine? Probably not. The reason why I say this is because they have burnt out thousands and thousands of would be players by hyping up a game through the deliverence of false schedules and deadlines. For the most part, many of us see this company as the boy who cried wolf....or a kind of media attention whore.
Do I think this game will ever come out? Of course I do. Do I think it will be worth playing? Of course I don't. I view darkfall like I viewed Shadowbane back in 2004 (or was it 2003?). They kept on pushing their development cycles and deadlines that, by the time it was released, it looked very very outdated with a very small population. Shadowbane did the same thing Aventurine has done; by pushing things off and slowly pissing off their fanbase so that the only ones left to play are the extreme loyal, all forgiven fans and the occasional ignorant gamer who sees the game on direct2drive (if aventurine can even afford that...who knows) or some other Greek shelf and installs it without knowing the volatile history this company has had with many people.
Eh, that's my two cents. Do I think it will come out? yes. Will I think the game will be widely unsuccessful? yes. Successful only in infamy.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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Same situation as with AoC, now they can either follow their steps and release unfinished game and fail or push another few years ad again fail with outdated game.
Interesting take and you make some good points. I agree with some of what you've said. However, you're going to be hearing cries of 1/22/09 any time now.
see you in game buddy!
Uhm... you do know about the 22nd January release date, don't you?
If not, here you go: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=87239
Nice post there OP! It is great when people state the obvious truth without being sarcastic. Well Adventurine does have a way out you know...................I am just waiting for them to yet anounce another delay (think # 24) because of the recent riots in Greece, there offices were broken into and everything was ransacked! They are excellent at making excuses, this one may just be believable!
It just sickens me how they have been able to convinced so many with such few hard evidence.........I will believe it when I see it with my own eyes.........
Its worse to actually think about doing something then actually doing it!!!
Not this year, you won't
Maybe 2009, but who knows?
I guess what I keep telling myself about this game, is that the approach they are taking is different. MMOs are not a new genre of gaming anymore. And it leaves a lot of new developers room to see which roads to take and which roads to not take. And from what I can see, (and this is of course assuming that they can actually deliver everything that they have promised.) the lack of information they are giving is giving them an amazing amount of leverage. They dont seem to be giving anyone anything that they want, now I am also skeptical that this could because they do in fact not have a complete product, but I dont assume this is the case. There would be too much to risk.
My assumption is they are doing something completely different, almost like reverse psychology advertising. And I for one think its working. This game has been discussed to death, but yet its still interesting, there is not nearly enough information to make a very good educated guess as to what to expect, yet it has everyone's attention.
Hell if there was a publicist at Adventurine that thought of this idea, I would hire him. Its pretty ingenious.
Cheers
Enigma,
You are a pretty good poster and one of the few Darkfall skeptics who can string a sentence together, but I also have to ask if you are at all aware of the release date of Darkfall being January 22nd, 2009.
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Enigma,
You are a pretty good poster and one of the few Darkfall skeptics who can string a sentence together, but I also have to ask if you are at all aware of the release date of Darkfall being January 22nd, 2009.
I'll believe it when I see it. Announcing something and actually doing it are two different things. For all the Darkfall fans I hope it happens for them.
Dont kid yourself, Youll be playing when it releases
If not, you wouldn't be here.
lol o shutup, hundreds of thousands of people aren't going to not play just because of a false schedule
sure maybe hundreds of thousands of neurons will be exloding with hatred towards the dev team
but i think actual people would still play the game.. :P
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
They do have a track record. It is a very poor one. Repeatedly failing to meet deadlines, promises, vague excuses, comments.
I agree with you about what amounts to blind desperate faith in the game. I too will remain highly skeptical until the game is released, then i will wait some more to see how it turns out, then possibly give it a try. I was excited about this game years ago, not so much now.
After a few disappointments in the past, I've shed my naivete and have taken a wait and see approach pretty much on all MMOs. I do have some interest and hope for quality games in the future, but like I said I try not to get my hopes up too much hehe. Especially for darkfall, I've lost all confidence in the game being even halfway decent. It is hard not to after all the years and their track record. I have a strong feeling the game will not release 1/22/09 and if I am wrong, I do not think it will be good. I hope to be wrong on both points though.
I'm here and I'm interested in Darkfall, but I'm certainly not going to have any trouble at all waiting until there's some reliable information out there about the actual game before I commit any of my time or money to it. I mean it's not like Adventurine could keep the NDA up until release (like AoC did), and because the plan on paper sounds good I'll be compelled to buy it on blind faith alone. Although perhaps that's the way it is with some of you...
Let's just wait a month and see what happens.
I wouldn't be surprised if the events of the last 48 hours in Greece somehow excuse a release push to March!
To our Greek members, hope all is safe and well.
Edit: Spelling. Give me a break, I was educated in Ohio.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Uhm... you do know about the 22nd January release date, don't you?
If not, here you go: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=87239
yeah...i can also link you about 12 other false dates they gave too. Besides, my thread wasnt about them lying about it coming out (you should read it. I was talking about how no one really cares about it anymore due to the length of time.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Heads up.. but I'm sure you know..
the fanbase is going to crucify you. How DARE you point out the obvious truths that they REFUSE to acknowledge!!
The great and MIGHTY Tasos looks disfavourably on you!!!
"Luckily I know that while you make nonsnese baiting threads that get locked....threads I make get sticked by the mods on this forum...." -imbant (greatest board warrior EVER)
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why is everyone judging before the trial? Apparantly the only people that can make a game that is revolutionary like Darkfall are companies like Funcom, forget that they've been putting out sh!t forever, only companies that have their development cycle, their pr, their graphics can truly make a revolutionary mmo.
Or maybe you guys just don't think its possible to see an mmo like DF out this decade, look and the present mmo market, DF is nothing like them, you can't possibly take that big of a jump and not put out sh!t.
Unlike Dark and Light, they've been testing this Sh!t for like a year and unlike Dark and Light, they have been saying they are basically finished for several months (Dark and Light gave in to pressure and released early). If, after 7 yrs, this game isn't ready, you're right it will never be ready and will be shadowbane all over again... but if they release in Jan 22, it won't be outdated at all, the graphics look decent (better than WoW and WAR) and will run on many rigs.
Truth is good PR =/= a good game, hell they are almost unrelated. I am worried, though, that their horrible Pr (worst PR in a non free mmo ever i think...) will rub off into the way they manage their game and interact with players, that would be just horrible....
Another worry I have is that they are retarded because they only let a few people into beta, regardless of how good publicity a bet would be ( maybe their covering up unfinished aspects of the game, or maybe, they don't have everything on in CB so they don't want everyone to come in and say the game is sh!t when all they can do is walk around a chop trees, I hope its the latter...). See these are reasonable complaints against Aventurine, saying that the game will be pushed back, despite the devs saying that the reason they haven't picked a release date all these years is b/c if they pick one, they have to stick to it b/c they know players buy stuff/plan around the release, is kindof far fetched. This is the only for realz release date the game EVER had, EVER.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
The most important question of this thread:
Who Cares?
Really, do you care that there are people following this game on what might be called blind faith? Does this some who affect you?
This game is going to come out or it isnt going to come out. It will be good, average or suck. Pretty much the same as every game that comes out.
Was their development time long, i dont know, it was longer then the average but who can really say if it was long. If the game releases after 7-8 years of development and is great then obviously it wasnt to long, if it comes out and sucks then obviously it was. There have been a few recent releases that were in development for 5 years and released as half finished crapfests so obviously their development cycle was not long enough.
People are going to be interested in this game reguardless of how long it takes to come out, another delay, if there is one, wont effect that. There isnt alot of FFA PVP games coming out soon so the FFA PVP fans really have no where else to go.
Uhm... you do know about the 22nd January release date, don't you?
If not, here you go: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=87239
yeah...i can also link you about 12 other false dates they gave too. Besides, my thread wasnt about them lying about it coming out (you should read it. I was talking about how no one really cares about it anymore due to the length of time.
Links to release dates please?
Not "we plan to release by the end of the year"....i expect links to hard specific release dates, official announcements.
Ill make it easy on you and not require them to have also be announced by another company (their publisher) who does not have a "Track record for breaking promises" as you like to think.
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The issue for me is two-fold. First, the fanbois in these threads gave those of us who had faith in AOC or WAR hell for months on end about those games. Now they are using the same arguments we used in defense of those games (wrongfully so) and trying to defend Aventurine and Darkfall. I am sorry it does not work and given the lack of information on the game 43 days from launch, it is concerning from people, like me, who are on the fence about playing or not.
Second, given the many promises in the game and everyhting that the game is striving to be, there are many unanswered questions as to the future of the game. For example, if the game bombs primarily due to its hardcore FFA style, will the devs let it die and will they make things easier therefore alienating their base? Add to that, that this game could be the final nail in the coffin for FFA games and it could create major issues for indie developers and could lead to assumptions in the market that small, independent companies can no longer make or support an MMO. This, in turn, could lead to even larger conglomerate companies that sell out their players to make a buck (go read Shacknews about microtransactions in the new Star Wars MMO).
A lot is riding on this game and more than just this game. However, the faithful, blinded by their own assumptions that they critized others for beliving with other games, refuse to acknowledge the same issues with Darkfall. That is, in essence, why it matters.
I will assure you this: if the game bombs, it will NOT be because of its ffa pvp, there is a gigantic HUNGER for ffa pvp in an mmo. And I see nothing wrong with the fan arguments, just b/c they were wrong doesn't mean their logic wasn't sound, their logic was don't judge before the trial, and in the trial the games were f#cking horrible, that doesn't mean the idea of not judging before the trial is flawed.
Lack of information doesn't mean it won't be a good game, it has nothing to do with it. (and we've actually been getting ALOT of info recently compared to the drought of earlier years). And if the game bombs and the devs alienate their fanbase, it wouldn't matter much since the game is dead to the fans either way (other than the true hardcore fans that would stay in a bombed game, such as those that stuck with Dark and Light until it sunk ship).
EDIT: there's a BIG reason why everyone was happy with this "delay" in DF's development, its because this was the first release date EVER published for DF. And 22 days isn't a major delay, fyi.... to the minds of many its not even a delay
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
Gigantic hunger amongst FFA PVP fans, not amongst the community in general in my opinion. The question is this: Is that hunger enough to sustain Darkfall in the long term and if not, what happens? Sorry I just think long term about this kind of stuff.
not amongst the mmo community (well actually there is, look at how popular this forum is when none of the games listed to the left have ffa pvp...)
More importantly, this will net people who never played mmos before. The fps players and the rts players now come into play, and this game's ffa pvp is MUCH different than darktide and to a large extent, different than pre trammel UO (noobs can stand up to vets here, that sounds very friendly to casuals, not so "hardcore")
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O