Thanks Grayghost. That DID answer a lot of my questions as did the links you posted. I know that most of what I ask cannot really fully be answered until the game launches and we see what happens. However, right now, I am in the "do I follow this game and keep it on my personal radar, refer it to my friends to look at, etc..." or not.
So basically, what I have gathered is this:
Say I am out fighting. I get PK'ed. I respawn/restart at a designated spot. Now I have nothing that was on my body or coin I earned while out fighting.
I would have to replace some gear (which from my understanding is like 90% of gear will be player made). With a good guild or alliance, this should be fairly easy and not too expensive. So I re-equip and go on my merry way. No skill loss, no major penalty other than gear? So nothing remotely near perma-death I assume?
Everything will be lootable on your person and in your bags?
Sorry, just trying to think through an actual session of play and my biggest concern is not the dying/ganking/pking but the replacing of gear/time loss/getting back in the action penalty...make sense?
Yeah you just loose what you had on you. No stat loss not xp loss no skill loss, just loot.
Yes everything is lootable, it's a logical loot system. This works in your favor as well though.
Lets say player A goes out hunting and gets killed by a goblin, that goblin can loot that player. You happen apon that same goblin and kill it. Guess what, when you loot the goblin not only will it have it's gear/items/gold basicaly everything it had in it's pack, but everything it looted off of player A.
Logical loot systems rock and make me happy lol. If a Gob is wearing leather armor, uses a Great Axe and a Bow when you kill and loot it those items will be in it's pack for you to loot as well as anything else it may have on it such as gold, food, potions ect.
One thing to remember though is you will never respawn naked. The Devs have said you will spawn with some basic newbie stuff. Sword and maybe a few pieces of armor. I don't know the details on that just some general info. The gear won't be anything remotely ubber, it in fact will probably be the worst gear in the game.
As far as where gear comes from, yes a lot will be crafterd, however if a humanoid creature is wearing armor when you kill it you can loot it.
1. Its a huge world. So it will take people longer to find me to kill me. Well it would take any friends longer to find me as well to help out too? How exactly will this be different?
Well, yes it will. Plus side is with how large the world is, the lack of lock on, the lack of names floating over your head, you can potentially escape.
*******also keep in mind if 4 brand new players with the starter gear attack 1 veteran and they all know how to use the Spells/gear they have at the time of that fight the veteran may or may not come out of it just depending on how his character power and his actual skill level (I call this player skill) is at handling your character. So this can go either way, but of course in a pvp MMO with sandboxed it always good to make friends . You can also hire body guards to follow you I believe. And a name does appear if the crosshair is on someone but nothing else is shown and the person has to be relatively close and the crosshairs directly on the player for a short time (probably 3-5 seconds)********
2. No levels/stats when you click on someone. So people will travel in bigger packs to gank others?
Some will, they will be hunting those of other factions for the most part though. Friendly fire till make Zerg clans less effective though. A small group that can work well together can in theory take out a Zerg.
******Keep in mind even when levels/stats are displayed players will do this in any pvp game. And like stated before just because the odd's are against you the majority of pvpers are actaully quite easy to take on, this game it'll take more skill for a zerg to take on a pack****
3. Guilds will form to protect players. For how long? What happens will those guilds dry up?
Well depends on the specific guild/clan. We had guilds do this for years and years. They were specifically made to help new players out.
*******Most of hte time these "NON-PK" guilds (basicaly friendly to anyone thats not KOS Kill. On. Sight.) find things to be quite lucrative even when its just helping out newbies, so im sure there will be plenty around. Hell even just joining a guild they'll probably help out with free gear seeing how you dont HAVE to grind for hours in rder to hunt with the rest of the pack/zerg anyhow *********
4. People only have one character per realm. Not if they have multiple accounts/two-boxing, etc....
Yep, you are correct, either have 2 accounts or only get 1 char per server. Not really much they can do about that. *****nuff said****
5. So much to do, people will not get bored. Really? Every game says that and everyone gets bored.
Well only thing I can say here is that I played UO for 9-10 years which is similar to DarkFall in many ways. Played AoC 3 months, EQ2 2 months, FFXI on and off 5 years (That was only because I met my wife there lol so had to stick around for a bit) SWG 1 year, and so on. The only one that has ever held my attention is UO. So if DarkFall is as similar to UO as the Devs say then yes I can see this game holding my attention for a long time atleast.
*********like its stated up above theres 1 person per server, but you can have all skills in the game if you really wanted to. Although it would be hard because theres skill decay (Not as bad as it sounds) and its also harder to level up skills in the long run (You max out 4 skills and the 5th takes longer to aquire, this of course being just an example). you can have your swordsmen/rouge/warmage and blacksmith all on one character. Not to mention finding resources for other players can be lucrative all in its own*********
See what I envision is this: some huge PK focused guild gets on a server. They power level themsleves as fast as possible. I am talking a guild of several hundred who make it their goal in life to grief everyone they can. The guild rules the server, people cannot fight back because this guild camps all the starter areas to the point where every character created is killed on sight. This guild has played together and PV P'ed for years so their skill is above anyone elses so the friendly fire isn't an issue. And they do it because they can. I know guilds who would do this and have done this - the guilds that people go "Oh %$@#"; when they realize they rolled on the same server.
Lets hope so, we had this happen in UO, 2 Large PK guilds merged together in a bid for power. In response an alliance was formed against them. It was basically half the server vs the other half. With the community response the PK alliance found it best to split back up lol.
******power leveling will be kind of a joke in this game seeing how you HAVE to use your sword to level it, so no more guys waiting at the top of a dungeon while everyone else hunts, but in the case that theres going to be huge guilds, I concur with the LETS HOPE SO. Seeing how there will be room for 10k+ simultaneous people playing at once.*******
So I want to know what will prevent this and I am looking for honest answers from someone who understands this could happen and not intangible answers about ways it will be prevented.
Nothing will prevent it. Why would you want to anyways? This is part of why so many love sandbox's. In a themepark the whole game revolves around static quests. In a sandbox the whole game revolves around an ever changing world. The type of guild you described above in a way adds content. You now have an evil enemy to kill or side with. NPC's never give you this kind of content.
*******He put it very well. Think of it as a quest but one that really takes player unity to control. An evil tyrant reaks havoc on the land, only one person erm, i mean, one legion to stop him, can they do it? They have to decide!!**********
My other major issue/questions is: Okay say I wind up on a server where there is a massive PK guild that kills me every other night because I suck at PVP. How easy is it to pick up where I left off? How easy will it be to replace gear and get back to playing? Will I have to go farm money or do I just keep it in a bank? What happens if the guild bank gets shut down? Do I have a personal bank and if so, is it always mine?
If your clan city is sieged and taken then yeah clan bank can be looted. You do have a bank box at the bank though. And yes it is yours, you do keep it and no it isn't lootable. How fast is it to pick up where you left off? Well the Devs claim 3 freshly made chars can take out a 1 year+ Char if they have the skill.
***********Well the whole point of this game is, and i quote, "we want you to die alot, in darkfall." So they basicaly based the game on that, and with that even though lucrative th eblacksmiths can push out a ton of armor, weapons and all that jazz that you could need for a relatively cheap price. And not to mention on top of that looting monsters and players and just storing the items you may need in the future for your personal use. Items will be relatively cheap for mass purchase as long as the players in the guild/city/shanty can sustain the items with the demand.**********
Now the above is all just my personal opinion.
*******alot of his opinions are actaully fact though, I just thought I'd clear some of it up and throw in an extra 2 cents in =D, hop eit helped******
Now to links in regard to a day in the life of DarkFall.
******* http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=82111 Closed beta testers that are currently playing the game give their insight on how they believe darkfall is while they test it. Thought i might add it. **********
Blood wasnt hte most hated cause it was the biggest, 2nd runner up was KHAO with 10k+ followers (NPK/friendly guild). I believe after someone aquired blood's account and fubar'd him it became blood tide and they basicaly dropped 70% of their guild and last i checked (year or so back) had about 1k followers. But yes those were the golden years. Especially when they allied with GIMP's.
I believe the original blood/kos guilds are now "the banana bois" and are eagerly awaiting darkfall. I myself loved the times before i joined Blood and was under EXTRA CRISPY cause it was an elite force of 14+ people whome would quest and just go rampant throughout dereth and would be eager to fight anyone, especiallyy bloods and KHAO since they were the majority of the server, but dont get me wrong once most of those guys moved on blood was definately the guild to join.
In any case Darktide ( and AC at that) is the reason im eagerly awaiting darkfall, to get hte same feeling of shakiness when your fighting ina group of more than 15 people trying not to get hit by a spell or even another persons blade is what im dieing to find out and i have faith that Adventurine can pull it off, only time will tell..jan 22nd 2009 will be my MMO judgement day.
Yeah I reread my post and it did sound kind of like it was most hated cause it was biggest, it was the most hated cause it was a full on RPK monarchy, it just ended up being HUGE. To bad most of todays gamers didn't have the opportunity to cut their teeth in an extreme FFA world. Back in the day there was no instances or town guards, guilds controlled towns and dungeons completely. Imagine the players today finding out they couldn't fight in a dungeon or shop in a town because it was controlled completely by another guild.
So you started off with Shane? Thats cool, my brother and I started off under his char Red Devil. Well he was playing Pnot at the time, believe he was with the MERCS but cannot remember. My brother used to go up to Vegas and play with shane and Apoc, he'd let him hop on Tai Lo or Yukon Jack to mess around. Ah the good ol days. If I knew which server KoC were going to I would most definately have to go there.
Blood wasnt hte most hated cause it was the biggest, 2nd runner up was KHAO with 10k+ followers (NPK/friendly guild). I believe after someone aquired blood's account and fubar'd him it became blood tide and they basicaly dropped 70% of their guild and last i checked (year or so back) had about 1k followers. But yes those were the golden years. Especially when they allied with GIMP's.
I believe the original blood/kos guilds are now "the banana bois" and are eagerly awaiting darkfall. I myself loved the times before i joined Blood and was under EXTRA CRISPY cause it was an elite force of 14+ people whome would quest and just go rampant throughout dereth and would be eager to fight anyone, especiallyy bloods and KHAO since they were the majority of the server, but dont get me wrong once most of those guys moved on blood was definately the guild to join.
In any case Darktide ( and AC at that) is the reason im eagerly awaiting darkfall, to get hte same feeling of shakiness when your fighting ina group of more than 15 people trying not to get hit by a spell or even another persons blade is what im dieing to find out and i have faith that Adventurine can pull it off, only time will tell..jan 22nd 2009 will be my MMO judgement day.
Yeah I reread my post and it did sound kind of like it was most hated cause it was biggest, it was the most hated cause it was a full on RPK monarchy, it just ended up being HUGE. To bad most of todays gamers didn't have the opportunity to cut their teeth in an extreme FFA world. Back in the day there was no instances or town guards, guilds controlled towns and dungeons completely. Imagine the players today finding out they couldn't fight in a dungeon or shop in a town because it was controlled completely by another guild.
So you started off with Shane? Thats cool, my brother and I started off under his char Red Devil. Well he was playing Pnot at the time, believe he was with the MERCS but cannot remember. My brother used to go up to Vegas and play with shane and Apoc, he'd let him hop on Tai Lo or Yukon Jack to mess around. Ah the good ol days. If I knew which server KoC were going to I would most definately have to go there.
Yeh those were probably my favorite times on there, but then again teh first few years of AC DT sucked for me cause i was on dial up so i was basicaly just meat to the butcher most of that time hahaa. But yeah warbuggy Xenocide all those guys = awesomez. And yeah Blood was really hated by anyone that werent in there hahaha. Too bad ac turned out the way it is now, maybe it was better in microsfts hands =-(.
Everyone whines and complains but , Has anyone of you ever sat in front of computer to model a game character in 3d max or maya...
Has anyone got a clue how long does it take?
I mean model one from the scratch and texture it ? ( and proper quality character)not just reuse model of an existing orc ,add some horns to it ,and change colour of his skin , and name him for an instance horned orc …
In my opinion, that’s cheating…. that……. well most of company do to create quickly new creature for same creature_ kind
to create a new character from the scratch takes an avarage artist
min two weeks up to month , I am not even talking about skinning it and animating nor the rest that needs to be done ...
And a year has got only 12 month..... Well go figure
Some people have no idea how hard and time consuming is to make a mmo, I am not even talking about the programming part, and all the cost etc
Well its easy if you have millions and you can afford to pay 100s people
and average pay for a 3d artist is around $80.000 per year and programers are paid around $ 120.000
Everyone whines and complains but , Has anyone of you ever sat in front of computer to model a game character in 3d max or maya...
Has anyone got a clue how long does it take?
I mean model one from the scratch and texture it ? ( and proper quality character)not just reuse model of an existing orc ,add some horns to it ,and change colour of his skin , and name him for an instance horned orc …
In my opinion, that’s cheating…. that……. well most of company do to create quickly new creature for same creature_ kind
to create a new character from the scratch takes an avarage artist
min two weeks up to month , I am not even talking about skinning it and animating nor the rest that needs to be done ...
And a year has got only 12 month..... Well go figure
Some people have no idea how hard and time consuming is to make a mmo, I am not even talking about the programming part, and all the cost etc
Well its easy if you have millions and you can afford to pay 100s people
and average pay for a 3d artist is around $80.000 per year and programers are paid around $ 120.000
think !!
Dont forget the part where its a startup company and they didnt always have the 24 they started out with 6 guys in a basement. And that most of the peeps are new to the business. And the part where they also have to deal with all that, and the publishing and the moving to different locations crashes poweroutages. Etc etc. Love the up and coming awesome games!!
Thanks Korn and Grayghost, I greatly appreciate it! Your posts greatly changed my perspective about the game. Not saying I am 100% on board yet but you commented on a few things that I didn't think about (like going back and killing the goblin with my loot - that is very cool).
It is all about perspective I think. I think I have a very pigeon-holed view of MMO's lately and was trying to make Darkfall conform to that view; when in reality it is its own game and its designed to be the way it is. Like one of you said, the devs expect you to die a LOT....that is very counter to the modern MMO with a non-existant penalty. It is very interesting and I am going to follow the game especially once it launches and see how it is. I guess as they say - only time will tell.
Thanks again.
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Jan 22nd 2009 is when its released, shortly we should see a quick open beta. For the most part this is the game to break the mold of the DAOC cookie cutters we've been seeing. Those of us that have found darkfall love preaching it. You take care now and maybe someday I'll see you on the battlefield =-)
Thanks Korn and Grayghost, I greatly appreciate it! Your posts greatly changed my perspective about the game. Not saying I am 100% on board yet but you commented on a few things that I didn't think about (like going back and killing the goblin with my loot - that is very cool).
It is all about perspective I think. I think I have a very pigeon-holed view of MMO's lately and was trying to make Darkfall conform to that view; when in reality it is its own game and its designed to be the way it is. Like one of you said, the devs expect you to die a LOT....that is very counter to the modern MMO with a non-existant penalty. It is very interesting and I am going to follow the game especially once it launches and see how it is. I guess as they say - only time will tell.
Thanks again.
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No worries mate glad I was of some help. I do appologies if I or others come of harsh at times when questions are asked, some here do not ask with honest interest and tend to start with the blind faith cultists responses because we reply with links to the answer. It has made many of the fans more defensive than helpful.
I see you have some good points, but my two cents:
The game havent really been delayed that much, not seen 1 other release date yet until 22/1/09 ? (I can ofc be wrong, havent been following it that long, but i've read alot about it) And it has been developed for some time. Since 2003 according to developers, when Aventurine was formed, and then the real making of the game kicked off. As for the game sucking i cant tell but, i see two kinds of people talking about Darkfall ->
Lovers
Haters
I for one like the idea of Darkfall, i dont love it yet, since AoC kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, i want to know a little bit more about the game, read more review's etc.
I cant say the game will turn out great, i hope it does, i would really like a new MMO to be playable.
I cant see how people can hate the game, saying it will suck hard, everything failing in it, based on the things been shown about the game. Im sure most of the haters havent been in Beta nor watched much of the game, besides some screenshots from 2005 (seen alot of ppl linking SS from 2005+ when the graphic's where outdated )
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Moving animations do look a bit stiff, same with some spells, and explosions etc. But i cant say if those that has been shown (the animations etc) are the ones in the game at this time.
Same situation as with AoC, now they can either follow their steps and release unfinished game and fail or push another few years ad again fail with outdated game.
The problem with Shadowbane was that it was horribly bug ridden and unplayable...
And the problem with Age of Conan is the game had about 10% of what they said it did.
Perhaps you missed the announcement that its coming out on January 22nd? After THIS LONG what makes you think they will launch unfinished? No one is pushing them to.
I hope this game is for RL too, but come on. Game stop doesn't even have pre-order set up for this game yet ! ...dark who O.o ? and it's supposed to release in 5 weeks. Ya right ! when they announce it's gone gold I'll pay more attention.
Uummm....Bye the way. is this game even rated yet !
Do not mistake Indifference for Hate. Nor Kindness for Weakness. for this is the Bane of Judgment !
I hope this game is for RL too, but come on. Game stop doesn't even have pre-order set up for this game yet ! ...dark who O.o ? and it's supposed to release in 5 weeks. Ya right ! when they announce it's gone gold I'll pay more attention.
Uummm....Bye the way. is this game even rated yet !
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
my attention is the length of time it has taken to develope it....but this isn't why I am posting.
Orly? Cause that seems to be the only point you have in your long, boring whine.
FYI, taking account that it's a small indie developer and the scope of their project, I would say they're right on schedule.
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yeah...i can also link you about 12 other false dates they gave too. Besides, my thread wasnt about them lying about it coming out (you should read it. I was talking about how no one really cares about it anymore due to the length of time.
Okay, you're just full of shit.
you are obviousily one of those "people" that probably has a pillow with the darkfall logo hastily stitched upon it and you hug it every night and pretend its your girlfirend and maybe you rub it too hoping for some genie to come out and tell you everything you want to hear.
Bottom line: if this game rules you to that point (and it obviousily does due to the intelligence of your post) then I just feel sorry for you and it's just a sad sorry state of affairs.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I hope this game is for RL too, but come on. Game stop doesn't even have pre-order set up for this game yet ! ...dark who O.o ? and it's supposed to release in 5 weeks. Ya right ! when they announce it's gone gold I'll pay more attention.
Uummm....Bye the way. is this game even rated yet !
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Not being able to fully pay for and reserve your copy for release date is irresponsible of the developer.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the game is a wild success. Its going to sell out at most/all stores right? Thats not going to motivate people to play, its going to leave them feeling left out and behind teh curve (whether a curve exists or not). It's not a marketing gimmic to allow pre-orders which can/do double as reservations. Paying $5 for a best buy or gamestop to hold a copy is a gimmic.
I hope this game is for RL too, but come on. Game stop doesn't even have pre-order set up for this game yet ! ...dark who O.o ? and it's supposed to release in 5 weeks. Ya right ! when they announce it's gone gold I'll pay more attention.
Uummm....Bye the way. is this game even rated yet !
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Not being able to fully pay for and reserve your copy for release date is irresponsible of the developer.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the game is a wild success. Its going to sell out at most/all stores right? Thats not going to motivate people to play, its going to leave them feeling left out and behind teh curve (whether a curve exists or not). It's not a marketing gimmic to allow pre-orders which can/do double as reservations. Paying $5 for a best buy or gamestop to hold a copy is a gimmic.
I hope this game is for RL too, but come on. Game stop doesn't even have pre-order set up for this game yet ! ...dark who O.o ? and it's supposed to release in 5 weeks. Ya right ! when they announce it's gone gold I'll pay more attention.
Uummm....Bye the way. is this game even rated yet !
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Not being able to fully pay for and reserve your copy for release date is irresponsible of the developer.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the game is a wild success. Its going to sell out at most/all stores right? Thats not going to motivate people to play, its going to leave them feeling left out and behind teh curve (whether a curve exists or not). It's not a marketing gimmic to allow pre-orders which can/do double as reservations. Paying $5 for a best buy or gamestop to hold a copy is a gimmic.
I thinkn it's going to be download only.
Will be download only for NA at first since they have no publisher here.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Funny how far haters of darkfall going to try convince others also to hate Darkfall OP makes topic here and also a blog he fail in so many ways lol.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
In terms of making the most sense and seeing the obvious, one would assume the promise of open beta and the game going retail at the end of 2008 was kind of tangible (however, a little suspiscious). Now, it's December 09, 2008. They have about three weeks to pull this off
Enigma,
You are a pretty good poster and one of the few Darkfall skeptics who can string a sentence together, but I also have to ask if you are at all aware of the release date of Darkfall being January 22nd, 2009.
so when the game does not come out on the 22nd you going to eat a big pile of humble pie? or you going to start responding to people with the new release date?
i have been following this game since 2001... 8 years, after awhile you start to see that the trolls arent the people calling this vapor-ware, the trolls are the guys making this game.
my prediciton is this game is produced by 4chan for the purpose of trolling the MMO community :P
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Yeah you just loose what you had on you. No stat loss not xp loss no skill loss, just loot.
Yes everything is lootable, it's a logical loot system. This works in your favor as well though.
Lets say player A goes out hunting and gets killed by a goblin, that goblin can loot that player. You happen apon that same goblin and kill it. Guess what, when you loot the goblin not only will it have it's gear/items/gold basicaly everything it had in it's pack, but everything it looted off of player A.
Logical loot systems rock and make me happy lol. If a Gob is wearing leather armor, uses a Great Axe and a Bow when you kill and loot it those items will be in it's pack for you to loot as well as anything else it may have on it such as gold, food, potions ect.
One thing to remember though is you will never respawn naked. The Devs have said you will spawn with some basic newbie stuff. Sword and maybe a few pieces of armor. I don't know the details on that just some general info. The gear won't be anything remotely ubber, it in fact will probably be the worst gear in the game.
As far as where gear comes from, yes a lot will be crafterd, however if a humanoid creature is wearing armor when you kill it you can loot it.
1. Its a huge world. So it will take people longer to find me to kill me. Well it would take any friends longer to find me as well to help out too? How exactly will this be different?
Well, yes it will. Plus side is with how large the world is, the lack of lock on, the lack of names floating over your head, you can potentially escape.
. You can also hire body guards to follow you I believe. And a name does appear if the crosshair is on someone but nothing else is shown and the person has to be relatively close and the crosshairs directly on the player for a short time (probably 3-5 seconds)********
*******also keep in mind if 4 brand new players with the starter gear attack 1 veteran and they all know how to use the Spells/gear they have at the time of that fight the veteran may or may not come out of it just depending on how his character power and his actual skill level (I call this player skill) is at handling your character. So this can go either way, but of course in a pvp MMO with sandboxed it always good to make friends
2. No levels/stats when you click on someone. So people will travel in bigger packs to gank others?
Some will, they will be hunting those of other factions for the most part though. Friendly fire till make Zerg clans less effective though. A small group that can work well together can in theory take out a Zerg.
******Keep in mind even when levels/stats are displayed players will do this in any pvp game. And like stated before just because the odd's are against you the majority of pvpers are actaully quite easy to take on, this game it'll take more skill for a zerg to take on a pack****
3. Guilds will form to protect players. For how long? What happens will those guilds dry up?
Well depends on the specific guild/clan. We had guilds do this for years and years. They were specifically made to help new players out.
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*******Most of hte time these "NON-PK" guilds (basicaly friendly to anyone thats not KOS Kill. On. Sight.) find things to be quite lucrative even when its just helping out newbies, so im sure there will be plenty around. Hell even just joining a guild they'll probably help out with free gear seeing how you dont HAVE to grind for hours in rder to hunt with the rest of the pack/zerg anyhow
4. People only have one character per realm. Not if they have multiple accounts/two-boxing, etc....
Yep, you are correct, either have 2 accounts or only get 1 char per server. Not really much they can do about that. *****nuff said****
5. So much to do, people will not get bored. Really? Every game says that and everyone gets bored.
Well only thing I can say here is that I played UO for 9-10 years which is similar to DarkFall in many ways. Played AoC 3 months, EQ2 2 months, FFXI on and off 5 years (That was only because I met my wife there lol so had to stick around for a bit) SWG 1 year, and so on. The only one that has ever held my attention is UO. So if DarkFall is as similar to UO as the Devs say then yes I can see this game holding my attention for a long time atleast.
*********like its stated up above theres 1 person per server, but you can have all skills in the game if you really wanted to. Although it would be hard because theres skill decay (Not as bad as it sounds) and its also harder to level up skills in the long run (You max out 4 skills and the 5th takes longer to aquire, this of course being just an example). you can have your swordsmen/rouge/warmage and blacksmith all on one character. Not to mention finding resources for other players can be lucrative all in its own*********
See what I envision is this: some huge PK focused guild gets on a server. They power level themsleves as fast as possible. I am talking a guild of several hundred who make it their goal in life to grief everyone they can. The guild rules the server, people cannot fight back because this guild camps all the starter areas to the point where every character created is killed on sight. This guild has played together and PV P'ed for years so their skill is above anyone elses so the friendly fire isn't an issue. And they do it because they can. I know guilds who would do this and have done this - the guilds that people go "Oh %$@#"; when they realize they rolled on the same server.
Lets hope so, we had this happen in UO, 2 Large PK guilds merged together in a bid for power. In response an alliance was formed against them. It was basically half the server vs the other half. With the community response the PK alliance found it best to split back up lol.
******power leveling will be kind of a joke in this game seeing how you HAVE to use your sword to level it, so no more guys waiting at the top of a dungeon while everyone else hunts, but in the case that theres going to be huge guilds, I concur with the LETS HOPE SO. Seeing how there will be room for 10k+ simultaneous people playing at once.*******
So I want to know what will prevent this and I am looking for honest answers from someone who understands this could happen and not intangible answers about ways it will be prevented.
Nothing will prevent it. Why would you want to anyways? This is part of why so many love sandbox's. In a themepark the whole game revolves around static quests. In a sandbox the whole game revolves around an ever changing world. The type of guild you described above in a way adds content. You now have an evil enemy to kill or side with. NPC's never give you this kind of content.
*******He put it very well. Think of it as a quest but one that really takes player unity to control. An evil tyrant reaks havoc on the land, only one person erm, i mean, one legion to stop him, can they do it? They have to decide!!**********
My other major issue/questions is: Okay say I wind up on a server where there is a massive PK guild that kills me every other night because I suck at PVP.
How easy is it to pick up where I left off? How easy will it be to replace gear and get back to playing? Will I have to go farm money or do I just keep it in a bank? What happens if the guild bank gets shut down? Do I have a personal bank and if so, is it always mine?
If your clan city is sieged and taken then yeah clan bank can be looted. You do have a bank box at the bank though. And yes it is yours, you do keep it and no it isn't lootable. How fast is it to pick up where you left off? Well the Devs claim 3 freshly made chars can take out a 1 year+ Char if they have the skill.
***********Well the whole point of this game is, and i quote, "we want you to die alot, in darkfall." So they basicaly based the game on that, and with that even though lucrative th eblacksmiths can push out a ton of armor, weapons and all that jazz that you could need for a relatively cheap price. And not to mention on top of that looting monsters and players and just storing the items you may need in the future for your personal use. Items will be relatively cheap for mass purchase as long as the players in the guild/city/shanty can sustain the items with the demand.**********
Now the above is all just my personal opinion.
*******alot of his opinions are actaully fact though, I just thought I'd clear some of it up and throw in an extra 2 cents in =D, hop eit helped******
Now to links in regard to a day in the life of DarkFall.
http://www.warcry.com/news/view/85297-Darkfall-Yellowbeard-Visits-Aventurine <-- Yellow Beard.
http://www.lordsofdeath.com/www/?p=10 <-- Asp's Visit
http://www.mmorpgitalia.it/forum/2620242-post3.html <--- MMORPG Italia review
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=85880 <---- The Noob Review
******* http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=82111 Closed beta testers that are currently playing the game give their insight on how they believe darkfall is while they test it. Thought i might add it. **********
More Info can be found in the Dev Journals.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/169533/page/2
The link above has a post where I link Dev Journal 16 on up. Should find a ton of info there.
In the end most of what you want you wont find until after launch or the NDA is lifted.
Yeah I reread my post and it did sound kind of like it was most hated cause it was biggest, it was the most hated cause it was a full on RPK monarchy, it just ended up being HUGE. To bad most of todays gamers didn't have the opportunity to cut their teeth in an extreme FFA world. Back in the day there was no instances or town guards, guilds controlled towns and dungeons completely. Imagine the players today finding out they couldn't fight in a dungeon or shop in a town because it was controlled completely by another guild.
So you started off with Shane? Thats cool, my brother and I started off under his char Red Devil. Well he was playing Pnot at the time, believe he was with the MERCS but cannot remember. My brother used to go up to Vegas and play with shane and Apoc, he'd let him hop on Tai Lo or Yukon Jack to mess around. Ah the good ol days. If I knew which server KoC were going to I would most definately have to go there.
Yeah I reread my post and it did sound kind of like it was most hated cause it was biggest, it was the most hated cause it was a full on RPK monarchy, it just ended up being HUGE. To bad most of todays gamers didn't have the opportunity to cut their teeth in an extreme FFA world. Back in the day there was no instances or town guards, guilds controlled towns and dungeons completely. Imagine the players today finding out they couldn't fight in a dungeon or shop in a town because it was controlled completely by another guild.
So you started off with Shane? Thats cool, my brother and I started off under his char Red Devil. Well he was playing Pnot at the time, believe he was with the MERCS but cannot remember. My brother used to go up to Vegas and play with shane and Apoc, he'd let him hop on Tai Lo or Yukon Jack to mess around. Ah the good ol days. If I knew which server KoC were going to I would most definately have to go there.
Yeh those were probably my favorite times on there, but then again teh first few years of AC DT sucked for me cause i was on dial up so i was basicaly just meat to the butcher most of that time hahaa. But yeah warbuggy Xenocide all those guys = awesomez. And yeah Blood was really hated by anyone that werent in there hahaha. Too bad ac turned out the way it is now, maybe it was better in microsfts hands =-(.
Everyone whines and complains but , Has anyone of you ever sat in front of computer to model a game character in 3d max or maya...
Has anyone got a clue how long does it take?
I mean model one from the scratch and texture it ? ( and proper quality character)not just reuse model of an existing orc ,add some horns to it ,and change colour of his skin , and name him for an instance horned orc …
In my opinion, that’s cheating…. that……. well most of company do to create quickly new creature for same creature_ kind
to create a new character from the scratch takes an avarage artist
min two weeks up to month , I am not even talking about skinning it and animating nor the rest that needs to be done ...
And a year has got only 12 month..... Well go figure
Some people have no idea how hard and time consuming is to make a mmo, I am not even talking about the programming part, and all the cost etc
Well its easy if you have millions and you can afford to pay 100s people
and average pay for a 3d artist is around $80.000 per year and programers are paid around $ 120.000
think !!
Dont forget the part where its a startup company and they didnt always have the 24 they started out with 6 guys in a basement. And that most of the peeps are new to the business. And the part where they also have to deal with all that, and the publishing and the moving to different locations crashes poweroutages. Etc etc. Love the up and coming awesome games!!
Jan 22nd 2009 is when its released, shortly we should see a quick open beta. For the most part this is the game to break the mold of the DAOC cookie cutters we've been seeing. Those of us that have found darkfall love preaching it. You take care now and maybe someday I'll see you on the battlefield =-)
No worries mate glad I was of some help. I do appologies if I or others come of harsh at times when questions are asked, some here do not ask with honest interest and tend to start with the blind faith cultists responses because we reply with links to the answer. It has made many of the fans more defensive than helpful.
To the main post:
I see you have some good points, but my two cents:
The game havent really been delayed that much, not seen 1 other release date yet until 22/1/09 ? (I can ofc be wrong, havent been following it that long, but i've read alot about it) And it has been developed for some time. Since 2003 according to developers, when Aventurine was formed, and then the real making of the game kicked off. As for the game sucking i cant tell but, i see two kinds of people talking about Darkfall ->
Lovers
Haters
I for one like the idea of Darkfall, i dont love it yet, since AoC kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, i want to know a little bit more about the game, read more review's etc.
I cant say the game will turn out great, i hope it does, i would really like a new MMO to be playable.
I cant see how people can hate the game, saying it will suck hard, everything failing in it, based on the things been shown about the game. Im sure most of the haters havent been in Beta nor watched much of the game, besides some screenshots from 2005 (seen alot of ppl linking SS from 2005+ when the graphic's where outdated )
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Moving animations do look a bit stiff, same with some spells, and explosions etc. But i cant say if those that has been shown (the animations etc) are the ones in the game at this time.
Funny thing is . . . I did not see any truth
WOW was released with outdated, low-polygon graphics, and 4 years later, it looks even more outdated. Doesn't stop it from succeeding.
The problem with Shadowbane was that it was horribly bug ridden and unplayable...
And the problem with Age of Conan is the game had about 10% of what they said it did.
Perhaps you missed the announcement that its coming out on January 22nd? After THIS LONG what makes you think they will launch unfinished? No one is pushing them to.
Darkfall Travelogues!
I hope this game is for RL too, but come on. Game stop doesn't even have pre-order set up for this game yet ! ...dark who O.o ? and it's supposed to release in 5 weeks. Ya right ! when they announce it's gone gold I'll pay more attention.
Uummm....Bye the way. is this game even rated yet !
Do not mistake Indifference for Hate. Nor Kindness for Weakness. for this is the Bane of Judgment !
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Orly? Cause that seems to be the only point you have in your long, boring whine.
FYI, taking account that it's a small indie developer and the scope of their project, I would say they're right on schedule.
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Originally posted by Enigma
yeah...i can also link you about 12 other false dates they gave too. Besides, my thread wasnt about them lying about it coming out (you should read it. I was talking about how no one really cares about it anymore due to the length of time.
Okay, you're just full of shit.
you are obviousily one of those "people" that probably has a pillow with the darkfall logo hastily stitched upon it and you hug it every night and pretend its your girlfirend and maybe you rub it too hoping for some genie to come out and tell you everything you want to hear.
Bottom line: if this game rules you to that point (and it obviousily does due to the intelligence of your post) then I just feel sorry for you and it's just a sad sorry state of affairs.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Not being able to fully pay for and reserve your copy for release date is irresponsible of the developer.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the game is a wild success. Its going to sell out at most/all stores right? Thats not going to motivate people to play, its going to leave them feeling left out and behind teh curve (whether a curve exists or not). It's not a marketing gimmic to allow pre-orders which can/do double as reservations. Paying $5 for a best buy or gamestop to hold a copy is a gimmic.
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Not being able to fully pay for and reserve your copy for release date is irresponsible of the developer.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the game is a wild success. Its going to sell out at most/all stores right? Thats not going to motivate people to play, its going to leave them feeling left out and behind teh curve (whether a curve exists or not). It's not a marketing gimmic to allow pre-orders which can/do double as reservations. Paying $5 for a best buy or gamestop to hold a copy is a gimmic.
I thinkn it's going to be download only.
Are you copy pasting this in all the threads now?
Tasos already said they won't be doing preorders. Do you honestly believe that this game will have issues being sold out? This much of a niche game? That is the ONLY reason to get a preorder. Tasos is very against gimmicks like giving access to "open beta" through preorders, or special items, or head starts. Its all BS that the market has brainwashed you to think is necessary. Pre Orders are a scam.
Not being able to fully pay for and reserve your copy for release date is irresponsible of the developer.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the game is a wild success. Its going to sell out at most/all stores right? Thats not going to motivate people to play, its going to leave them feeling left out and behind teh curve (whether a curve exists or not). It's not a marketing gimmic to allow pre-orders which can/do double as reservations. Paying $5 for a best buy or gamestop to hold a copy is a gimmic.
I thinkn it's going to be download only.
Will be download only for NA at first since they have no publisher here.
Box and download for EU.
For europe box and download.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
This game doesn't have a prayer. It will be picked apart like this month's turkey..
Kris.Kringle@greenland.com
I only had turkey last month =(. Lucky!!
Also you lie, I pray for it. Oh yes, I pray for it alot!
Funny how far haters of darkfall going to try convince others also to hate Darkfall OP makes topic here and also a blog he fail in so many ways lol.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Enigma,
You are a pretty good poster and one of the few Darkfall skeptics who can string a sentence together, but I also have to ask if you are at all aware of the release date of Darkfall being January 22nd, 2009.
so when the game does not come out on the 22nd you going to eat a big pile of humble pie? or you going to start responding to people with the new release date?
i have been following this game since 2001... 8 years, after awhile you start to see that the trolls arent the people calling this vapor-ware, the trolls are the guys making this game.
my prediciton is this game is produced by 4chan for the purpose of trolling the MMO community :P