Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
Umm... you do realize that if DF fails... then the Trolls win... right?
So how is that a winning situation again? I'm thinking that you're having more fun playing ForumFall than you will playing the MMO game DarkFall. It's NEVER a good thing when a MMO fails... it's one less choice in the MMO landscape. That is not a good thing.
the trolls win what??? I dont know what u mean by the trolls win... they spent how many hours on there lives sititng here crying??? I dont see it possible for the trolls to win no matter how the game turns out.
Maybe tasos set it up this way the whole time just to make trolls cry for hours on end... for years... and its worked. Trolls are in a lose/lose here
Sorry to deflate your ego; but you're still wrong. I dont care what their website says; half of it is bullshit anyways. They started in 2001. Sorry to upset you with the news.
If we use your reasoning, why shouldn't we just say that Claus probably started coming up with game concepts in the mid 90's so therefore Darkfall has been in development for over a decade?
I think if you want to talk about when Darkfall entered serious "professional" developement of any kind then late 2003 is an accurate date. So you really have to use that date if you are comparing it to the development cycles of other MMOs.
Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
LOL, trolls laugh at the game, it's the fanbois that cry, and if DF fails they will cry even more.
Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
This is such a desperate post. The joke is on the DF fanboys. The 'trolls' find it all highly amusing. That's why they're here.
Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
This is such a desperate post. The joke is on the DF fanboys. The 'trolls' find it all highly amusing. That's why they're here.
same goes for you guys the fans wouldnt be here as much if you guys didnt post so meh if you dont want to listen to us stop posting its that simple
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No.
Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed.
I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread,
Facts.
Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001.
Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002.
Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003.
Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying).
The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Claus is still the lead Developer working on the game is he not? I will agree he is not the voice of DarkFall though. He is still the one we will be depending on to make this game work as intended though.
Also it is worth pointing out... Claus's statements were not directly contradicted... and it wasn't even indirectly contradicted for 5 years... make of that what you will.
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
When will I be able to find the game listed for sale on site such as: amazon, ebgames, frys or best buy?
When will I be able to find the game listed for sale on site such as: amazon, ebgames, frys or best buy?
When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
in other words, never. Darkfall is going to be a digital download only game. Does anyone think Best Buy etc are actually going to order copies of this game?
Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
that makes no damn sense .....none, whatsoever.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
When will I be able to find the game listed for sale on site such as: amazon, ebgames, frys or best buy?
When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
in other words, never. Darkfall is going to be a digital download only game. Does anyone think Best Buy etc are actually going to order copies of this game?
Digital download, one server, 10k total players.
If I could get Darkfall at one of those locations, I would buy it and give it a try. Digital Download given the situation of this game will prevent me from purchasing this game.
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Claus is still the lead Developer working on the game is he not? I will agree he is not the voice of DarkFall though. He is still the one we will be depending on to make this game work as intended though.
Also it is worth pointing out... Claus's statements were not directly contradicted... and it wasn't even indirectly contradicted for 5 years... make of that what you will.
I can't find it now but while Claus is still the lead dev he doesn't run Aventurine. As for it taking 5 years to indirectly contradict Claus's statements I have nothing to counter that at this moment in time. I will check it out and get back with you lol.
When will I be able to find the game listed for sale on site such as: amazon, ebgames, frys or best buy?
When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
in other words, never. Darkfall is going to be a digital download only game. Does anyone think Best Buy etc are actually going to order copies of this game?
Digital download, one server, 10k total players.
L2R before you post, DarkFall will be available through digital downloads as well as through box sales, this is of course in EU only at this time. US will be able to purchase DarkFall via digital download only until official NA launch.
well I hate to be the thread killer, but this is the European release date.. they did state that they were going to try and allow NA players to play on the servers, there is only a European launch date announced
Now... the interesting part, if you look at the EU site http://www.darkfallonline.eu/ it shows the release date right on the front page.
Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
LOL, trolls laugh at the game, it's the fanbois that cry, and if DF fails they will cry even more.
Wrong... I see no trolls laughing only crying. Trolls provide fanbois with pure entertainment until DF comes out. I see no fanboi tears only troll tears. But please im not asking you to leave.. please stay you guys make my work day fly. Funny how troll tears make time fly
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Even if DF were to fail id still love tasos for creating so many tears from the trolls. It's so funny to me how trolls come here and cry non-stop. Tasos is the ultimate baiter.... look at all the trolls he has QQing.
This is such a desperate post. The joke is on the DF fanboys. The 'trolls' find it all highly amusing. That's why they're here.
Think whatever you wish if it helps you sleep at night, but trust me... the joke is on the trolls. DF fans come here to discuss a game they are waiting for. Trolls arent waiting yet still sign in... eager to go to th eDF forums... proving they lead pretty boring lives first off.
What trolls fail to see is how fanbois are poiting at you laughing. The only tears you see from fanbois is the tears you get when your laughing too hard.
Sry trolls, the joke i son you, you guys look really sad and lonely... but again im not asking you to stop.... I love you guys you bring laughter to the DF forums
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No. Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed. I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread, Facts. Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001. Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002. Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003. Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying). The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Will add more links when I track them down. Jade and Tasos are on pretty much the same level within Aventurine. Jade owns 50% of Aventurine after buying out the previous investors.
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/207.66576 In other words what the devs said was true, Aventurine, Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors.
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/207.66576 In other words what the devs said was true, Aventurine, Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors.
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/207.66576 In other words what the devs said was true, Aventurine, Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors.
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
It appears Claus has the same status he had before? Or perhaps you have a different analysis of what you posted there?
Accept for the for Spiridon Iordanis being listed above him and Anastasios Flampouras is Tasos.
And of course ................"Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors."
Yes, I agree with that.
That's why I said...
"It appears CLAUS has the same status he had before?"
CLAUS... though looks like he occupies the same status he had before, right?
Edit: I see that you mentioned he moved down one spot in those 3 listed below the Director. I guess I was just assuming that was coincidence and didn't really mean anything. As all 3 other's listed are still part of the board. Those other 3 don't have any title associated with their position on the board, so it would be logical to assume they are equals.
If you are saying that you think the order all the way down is important, on what do you base that? If it's just conjecture... then that's fine, but not really any more valid than my opinion that those 3 are all of equal status.
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Umm... you do realize that if DF fails... then the Trolls win... right?
So how is that a winning situation again? I'm thinking that you're having more fun playing ForumFall than you will playing the MMO game DarkFall. It's NEVER a good thing when a MMO fails... it's one less choice in the MMO landscape. That is not a good thing.
the trolls win what??? I dont know what u mean by the trolls win... they spent how many hours on there lives sititng here crying??? I dont see it possible for the trolls to win no matter how the game turns out.
Maybe tasos set it up this way the whole time just to make trolls cry for hours on end... for years... and its worked. Trolls are in a lose/lose here
Perhaps because interested customers would like to know when they can by Hmm? ...
If we use your reasoning, why shouldn't we just say that Claus probably started coming up with game concepts in the mid 90's so therefore Darkfall has been in development for over a decade?
I think if you want to talk about when Darkfall entered serious "professional" developement of any kind then late 2003 is an accurate date. So you really have to use that date if you are comparing it to the development cycles of other MMOs.
Otherwise you are being disingenuous.
LOL, trolls laugh at the game, it's the fanbois that cry, and if DF fails they will cry even more.
This is such a desperate post. The joke is on the DF fanboys. The 'trolls' find it all highly amusing. That's why they're here.
This is such a desperate post. The joke is on the DF fanboys. The 'trolls' find it all highly amusing. That's why they're here.
same goes for you guys the fans wouldnt be here as much if you guys didnt post so meh if you dont want to listen to us stop posting its that simple
lol Yes it is sad they haven't updated there website. Does it effect much? No.
Reason Why? The information is out there, any site that covers MMORPG's thats up to date has the Jan. 22 2009 launch date listed.
I am sorry you may have to look for info, I am sure if you do not know something you can ask if you can't be botherd to look and you may get an answer from those that found the few minutes it took to look.
As far as the arguments in this thread,
Facts.
Razorwax started Development of DarkFall in 2001.
Aventurine was formed in Nov. 2002.
Aventurine started Development of DarkFall in 2003.
Most of the game was either updated (an example is graphics) or scrapped (an example is flying).
The DarkFall that was started in 2001 is no longer there, I am sorry if this upsets some but this is fact.
If of course you knew how things were back in 2001-2002 vs how they are now you would see this. But of course, using actual information and facts in your argument doesn't work well with the outlandish claims many try.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Claus is still the lead Developer working on the game is he not? I will agree he is not the voice of DarkFall though. He is still the one we will be depending on to make this game work as intended though.
Also it is worth pointing out... Claus's statements were not directly contradicted... and it wasn't even indirectly contradicted for 5 years... make of that what you will.
When will I be able to find the game listed for sale on site such as: amazon, ebgames, frys or best buy?
When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
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When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
in other words, never. Darkfall is going to be a digital download only game. Does anyone think Best Buy etc are actually going to order copies of this game?
Digital download, one server, 10k total players.
that makes no damn sense .....none, whatsoever.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
in other words, never. Darkfall is going to be a digital download only game. Does anyone think Best Buy etc are actually going to order copies of this game?
Digital download, one server, 10k total players.
If I could get Darkfall at one of those locations, I would buy it and give it a try. Digital Download given the situation of this game will prevent me from purchasing this game.
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Claus is still the lead Developer working on the game is he not? I will agree he is not the voice of DarkFall though. He is still the one we will be depending on to make this game work as intended though.
Also it is worth pointing out... Claus's statements were not directly contradicted... and it wasn't even indirectly contradicted for 5 years... make of that what you will.
I can't find it now but while Claus is still the lead dev he doesn't run Aventurine. As for it taking 5 years to indirectly contradict Claus's statements I have nothing to counter that at this moment in time. I will check it out and get back with you lol.
When those retailers decides to take this game seriously.
in other words, never. Darkfall is going to be a digital download only game. Does anyone think Best Buy etc are actually going to order copies of this game?
Digital download, one server, 10k total players.
L2R before you post, DarkFall will be available through digital downloads as well as through box sales, this is of course in EU only at this time. US will be able to purchase DarkFall via digital download only until official NA launch.
well I hate to be the thread killer, but this is the European release date.. they did state that they were going to try and allow NA players to play on the servers, there is only a European launch date announced
Now... the interesting part, if you look at the EU site http://www.darkfallonline.eu/ it shows the release date right on the front page.
Im not sayin.. Im just sayin
LOL, trolls laugh at the game, it's the fanbois that cry, and if DF fails they will cry even more.
Wrong... I see no trolls laughing only crying. Trolls provide fanbois with pure entertainment until DF comes out. I see no fanboi tears only troll tears. But please im not asking you to leave.. please stay you guys make my work day fly. Funny how troll tears make time fly
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Source?
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This is such a desperate post. The joke is on the DF fanboys. The 'trolls' find it all highly amusing. That's why they're here.
Think whatever you wish if it helps you sleep at night, but trust me... the joke is on the trolls. DF fans come here to discuss a game they are waiting for. Trolls arent waiting yet still sign in... eager to go to th eDF forums... proving they lead pretty boring lives first off.
What trolls fail to see is how fanbois are poiting at you laughing. The only tears you see from fanbois is the tears you get when your laughing too hard.
Sry trolls, the joke i son you, you guys look really sad and lonely... but again im not asking you to stop.... I love you guys you bring laughter to the DF forums
Just a quick question on the facts above.
If Aventurine only started Development of DarkFall in 2003, then why did Claus (after the move to Greece & acquirement by Aventurine, and still lead developer) claim Closed Beta would be in Sept. of that year and then an Open Beta shortly after for stress testing?
Wouldn't you agree that is really fast to make the game?
I do agree on the graphics update to the game... that much is obvious to anyone who wants to be honest. Beyond that? I still believe Claus' statement on the subject... "very little has changed".
Claus use to be the head of things, when Aventurine came to be this was no longer the case. Those over Claus's head directly contradicted the statements he made after the change over. As to why Claus made comments that were contradicted by things said by Tasos, no idea. All we know is at that point he was no longer the guy in charge.
Facts are in this case.
Razorwax - Claus was the guy in charge, made statements as the one in charge.
Aventurine - Claus was an employee that had his statements contradicted by those higher up than him.
I mean I could make speculation but that is all it would be. Maybe he wasn't up to speed yet, maybe he had trouble letting go, so on and so on. Point is after Aventurine, he wasn't in the position to know about what was going on more than the guy in charge.
Source?
http://www.prlog.org/10118364-aventurine-to-launch-new-game-on-gnis-leading-multiplayer-game-hosting-platform.html
Jade Mehdawi, CEO of Aventurine S.A.
Will add more links when I track them down. Jade and Tasos are on pretty much the same level within Aventurine. Jade owns 50% of Aventurine after buying out the previous investors.
http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/207.66576
In other words what the devs said was true, Aventurine, Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors.
original Board
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The chairman of the board: Trond Erik Heier, Erling Skjalgssons g 20 B, 0267 OSLO Trond Erik Heier, Erling Skjalgsson g B 20, 0267 OSLO
Styremedlem: Director: Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye
Claus Hågensen Grøvdal Claus Hågensen Grøvdal
Leif Tore Sætermoen Leif Tore Sætermoen
Simon Yuen Simon Yuen
Board 2003
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Board:
Styrets leder: The chairman of the board: Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athen, Hellas Jade El Mehdawi, Himras 12 Kifissia GR-14562 Athens, Greece
Styremedlem: Director: Anastasios Flampouras Anastasios Flampouras
Spiridon Iordanis Spiridon Iordanis
Claus Hågensen Grøvdal Claus Hågensen Grøvdal
Ricki Michael Sickenger Ricki Michael Sickenger
Actually from what you posted there...
It appears Claus has the same status he had before? Or perhaps you have a different analysis of what you posted there?
Actually from what you posted there...
It appears Claus has the same status he had before? Or perhaps you have a different analysis of what you posted there?
Accept for Spiridon Iordanis being listed above him and Anastasios Flampouras is Tasos.
And of course ................"Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors."
Actually from what you posted there...
It appears Claus has the same status he had before? Or perhaps you have a different analysis of what you posted there?
Accept for the for Spiridon Iordanis being listed above him and Anastasios Flampouras is Tasos.
And of course ................"Tasos and Jade El Mehdawi took over razorwax. They were new large investors."
Yes, I agree with that.
That's why I said...
"It appears CLAUS has the same status he had before?"
CLAUS... though looks like he occupies the same status he had before, right?
Edit: I see that you mentioned he moved down one spot in those 3 listed below the Director. I guess I was just assuming that was coincidence and didn't really mean anything. As all 3 other's listed are still part of the board. Those other 3 don't have any title associated with their position on the board, so it would be logical to assume they are equals.
If you are saying that you think the order all the way down is important, on what do you base that? If it's just conjecture... then that's fine, but not really any more valid than my opinion that those 3 are all of equal status.