I hear ya. Gaming as a lifestyle (tongue in cheek) has hit hardcore, and people aren't rewarded unless they make a lifetime commitment. And in the case of WoW you have to commit to partnering with 15yr old "lifers" to get anywhere in the high levels. I've quit and rejoined several times. It's like MSG candy that once in your mouth extends spikes and chokes the very life from you.
That being said, I'm reinstalling WoW as I type this. Sigh.
I totally get the OP, because I have the exact same problem. I have always been very competitive, in real life sports, e-sports, u name it .. When i started wow pre-tbc i used to play every day for atleast 7 hours, but since i was still younger and slightly couldnt be arsed to do my skoolwork, this never rly gave any problems. I was able to gather quite a lot of the high end gear because I put so much work into my char and raiding ( anyone who was a prot warrior before tbc knows what a c*nt it is to farm cash when ur still upgrading ur gear).
When TBC was released, I'd quit for several months, because all of the work I've put into it basically got reduced back to 0. But fair enuf, I knew it was going to happen sooner or later, so after a few months I started again, and immediatly got back into the same routine. But after being top level again for a while, raiding every night, I started to feel less and less amused with the game. I hated not being able to do anything in the evening because I had to raid ( not showing up for raids certain amounts a week resulted in guildkick ), and the game felt more and more as a drag.
I've know gotten to a point where I just cant enjoy myself with the game at all anymore. Not because it's a bad game ( I would never have put that much time in it if i didnt think the game was amazing tbh) but just because I felt more and more like a company worker having to clock in at 6.30 to be ready to raid at 7 til 1.30 at night.
I've tried several mmo's after WoW but none really grabbed my enthousiasm as much as wow did, and i doubt that any mmo in the nearby future will. I'm keeping an eye on aion since that seems promissing, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Originally posted by Synika Its just if I were raiding Alliance cities I would want/need to have decent gear as I'd want to do my damndest to win.
Heh ... I used to raid Horde cities with my druid all the time and only had a few blues. My goal wasn't to stand in front and kill everyone that came at me, nor was it to kill a specific NPC; my goal was keep ganking, while evading the masses search for me. I think my record is 20 minutes in Org lol.
As to the OP, grats on figuring out WoW isn't for you and I'm sorry it took so long to realize.
Personally, one of the primary reason's I play WoW is specifically because of it's casual nature. Between a shat ton of travel and family, WoW lets me log on for a few hours every so often and provides a lot of fun. I guess I'm lucky I don't have some obsession with feeling uber lol.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
I suggest that you keep playing Eve then and forget about WoW. If Eve is your game why do you bring up WoW? 11 million People including the Gold Farmers do not care why you can't play wow,and I am sure the Blizzard Devs really give a crap what a minority player who does not like the game says.WoW is not goin to change its game for the minority gamers,they have a successful mmo and until it starts to die which may be years away you can count on more of the same with few new idea's Sad but true.
Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
I really do not understand what you are compaining about. Endgame raid gear is far from the best gear in the game.
Endgame raid gear pretty much only allows you to do more raids. The stats setup is usually completely useless for any other part of the game. So if your idea of competitive is starting in the middle of Dalaran having much higher PvE stats than everyone else, I guess WoW isnt the game for you.
Your other options are
-PvP at your own pace whenever you want for the actual most competitive gear in the game....
-Craft gear that is a relatively balance mix of PvE/PvP gear.
-Run short pick up group dungeons and heroics for a very comparable set of PvE gear.
Did you play World of Warcraft like 3 years ago and forget to make this post until now?
Originally posted by bonobotheory Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
Heh ... if it wasn't WoW, it was SWG people were chatting about in Jita (I think all that lag made people more talkative lol).
What I always find funnier are all the folks here with qualifiers in their sigs: Playing - WoW (but only because of friends). Lol, idiots.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
I suggest that you keep playing Eve then and forget about WoW. If Eve is your game why do you bring up WoW? 11 million People including the Gold Farmers do not care why you can't play wow,and I am sure the Blizzard Devs really give a crap what a minority player who does not like the game says.WoW is not goin to change its game for the minority gamers,they have a successful mmo and until it starts to die which may be years away you can count on more of the same with few new idea's Sad but true.
Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
Yeah, I guess they get a bonus for each mining field.
For those who didn't try EVE yet, take out a miner in Wow and let him beat 10 minutes on one node and then return on a flight path the next 12 minutes to sell it off at a vendor.
That would give you a good feeling of the basic EvE play. Oh and you'll never see your feet anyway, nor your legs, arms either. But they insist in calling it a sandbox. Because your spaceship is .... your avatar. Actually makes me think of Aliens and you are the Alien.
No wonder they let the players do these things off line now. Yep you can play wthout playing EVE, ... makes for a great handicap for new players: they will never catch up those older players.
And this guy complains of not having the best gear in Wow if you don't do raids. Never heard of heroics or Arena gear I guess.
I answered his remarks, never got a decent answer. It shows he just wants to troll and hype Eve.
I'm not trying to promote Eve in anyway, this was a WoW thread I only brought up Eve cause someone asked, did you even read the thread?
Eve is a good game but not for everyone, I would never try to push Eve on WoW players we have enough of you guys in rookie chat playing the game (like 2k new players everyday trying the game that are clueless).
OH and I did answer you, you told me to run Pugs and heroics right? how the hell does that make sense since im saying I dont want to play since I don't like schedules, but still want to be powerful?
Heroic gear is shit compared to 25 man raid gear. I want a powerful character not a welfare epic'd out toon that the real player look down on.
Maybe you guys should stop trying to talk shit about eve and actually reread the thread.
I don't like schedules it feels like I have to play a game like a job I never said I didn't like WoW just schedules that are required to become powerful.
Hell I even brought up[ lotro and WAr as being similar thats why i don't play those either.
Originally posted by bonobotheory Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
Heh ... if it wasn't WoW, it was SWG people were chatting about in Jita (I think all that lag made people more talkative lol).
What I always find funnier are all the folks here with qualifiers in their sigs: Playing - WoW (but only because of friends). Lol, idiots.
Let me guess you only played Eve on the 14-21 day trial right?
Only newbs in rookie chat talk about WoW oh and guess what those noobs are actually WoW players shitting on a game that they actually still play.
You wont find one player over 30 days old in rookie chat, once you get into a corp (guild) if you start talking about other games and ruining peoples convos with that nonsense you will be kicked or killed.
Eve players talk about strange shit like politics, sex, religion, Blance issues, Retro gaming and strange sci-fi topics they have way more interesting things to talk about then WoW with your chuck norris jokes.
If you don't want to raid anyway why would you do 25 man raids to become stronger?
hmmm I said I didn't want to raid?
I said I didn't like schedules I was a hardcore raider I got sick of logging in when my GM wanted me to.
It came to the point that I was lying to my guildies about Internet problems so i could play on my own on a new server.
I don't hate WoW just the sick feeling I get when I have to follow some assholes schedule.
I was the MT of my guild I was required to play seven days a week atleast 6 hours a night to keep those epics flowing or I would lose my job. understand why im burnt out and hate schedules now I did that for two years.
I'm happy my wife played also or I would have probably been left by her.
At least the OP and some of his "competitive," "have to pwn" co-posters have admitted their problem. That's the first step to a cure.
It's so cute that they think "pwn" is a word.
Thats all MMOs are imo, To be better then anyone else.
I'm sure when you play WoW you log in and try to level up or gear up in someway to be better then the next guy/gal.
I'm sure you don't just log into be worse than other players.
Its a videogame with carrot on the stick mechanic, wouldnt you want to be a awesome player and out play people? Lets say you play a tank wouldnt you want better gear then the hundred other tanks in IF or Ogr? Wouldnt you want your friends to comeback from a pug with another tank saying how they should have taken you cause ur way better? and easier to heal?
At least the OP and some of his "competitive," "have to pwn" co-posters have admitted their problem. That's the first step to a cure.
It's so cute that they think "pwn" is a word.
What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things . I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
At least the OP and some of his "competitive," "have to pwn" co-posters have admitted their problem. That's the first step to a cure.
It's so cute that they think "pwn" is a word.
What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things . I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
If you don't want to raid anyway why would you do 25 man raids to become stronger?
hmmm I said I didn't want to raid?
I said I didn't like schedules I was a hardcore raider I got sick of logging in when my GM wanted me to.
It came to the point that I was lying to my guildies about Internet problems so i could play on my own on a new server.
I don't hate WoW just the sick feeling I get when I have to follow some assholes schedule.
I was the MT of my guild I was required to play seven days a week atleast 6 hours a night to keep those epics flowing or I would lose my job. understand why im burnt out and hate schedules now I did that for two years.
I'm happy my wife played also or I would have probably been left by her.
So basically your problem is with the type of guild you were in, not the game.
I hear ya. Gaming as a lifestyle (tongue in cheek) has hit hardcore, and people aren't rewarded unless they make a lifetime commitment. And in the case of WoW you have to commit to partnering with 15yr old "lifers" to get anywhere in the high levels. I've quit and rejoined several times. It's like MSG candy that once in your mouth extends spikes and chokes the very life from you. That being said, I'm reinstalling WoW as I type this. Sigh.
lol same thing happens to me ill reinstall the game, play for awhile, and then uninstall in complete disgust. i dont know why i try anymore
I understand what the OP is saying. The first time I quit WOW, was basically out of frustration with the raiding system. I wanted to be competitive at end game, but although I was putting in long hours I just do not have the patience or the personality to sit through 2 to 3 hours or more of raiding and get nothing for the time invested. Being 1 of 40 at the bottom of a loot point system was no fun at all, and the thought of having to run the same content over and over and over and over and over again just to build points so I might get a good piece of gear was too much to bare.
Now after having returned to WOW, I'm trying to focus on things other than end game and raiding. At some point, I may have to raid, but I think since I started a brand new character on a new server, that time is a ways off. Meanwhile I'm having fun living once again in the world of WOW and doing all the fun things there are to do.
I suggest that you keep playing Eve then and forget about WoW. If Eve is your game why do you bring up WoW? 11 million People including the Gold Farmers do not care why you can't play wow,and I am sure the Blizzard Devs really give a crap what a minority player who does not like the game says.WoW is not goin to change its game for the minority gamers,they have a successful mmo and until it starts to die which may be years away you can count on more of the same with few new idea's Sad but true.
Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
Yeah, I guess they get a bonus for each mining field.
For those who didn't try EVE yet, take out a miner in Wow and let him beat 10 minutes on one node and then return on a flight path the next 12 minutes to sell it off at a vendor.
That would give you a good feeling of the basic EvE play. Oh and you'll never see your feet anyway, nor your legs, arms either. But they insist in calling it a sandbox. Because your spaceship is .... your avatar. Actually makes me think of Aliens and you are the Alien.
No wonder they let the players do these things off line now. Yep you can play wthout playing EVE, ... makes for a great handicap for new players: they will never catch up those older players.
And this guy complains of not having the best gear in Wow if you don't do raids. Never heard of heroics or Arena gear I guess.
I answered his remarks, never got a decent answer. It shows he just wants to troll and hype Eve.
I'm not trying to promote Eve in anyway, this was a WoW thread I only brought up Eve cause someone asked, did you even read the thread?
Eve is a good game but not for everyone, I would never try to push Eve on WoW players we have enough of you guys in rookie chat playing the game (like 2k new players everyday trying the game that are clueless).
OH and I did answer you, you told me to run Pugs and heroics right? how the hell does that make sense since im saying I dont want to play since I don't like schedules, but still want to be powerful?
Heroic gear is shit compared to 25 man raid gear. I want a powerful character not a welfare epic'd out toon that the real player look down on.
Maybe you guys should stop trying to talk shit about eve and actually reread the thread.
I don't like schedules it feels like I have to play a game like a job I never said I didn't like WoW just schedules that are required to become powerful.
Hell I even brought up[ lotro and WAr as being similar thats why i don't play those either.
Meh... don't take it personally. I have a feeling at least most of the people here actually do understand what you're saying.
But, see... on these here MMORPG.com forums, more so for some games than for others... it doesn't matter how lucid, well-reasoned or clearly explained your case is...
If it has a negative tinge about others' favorite game, they're going to immediately rip into you for it... in any way possible. That includes taking things you say out of context (deliberately) and throwing rebuttals at you that are irrelevant to what you've said.
As you pointed out, it can really make you wonder if they've actually read your post.
In your case, it started with the subject line... "... why I can't bring myself to play WoW".
See... that indicates it's not going to be a pro-WoW post and so, you are immediately on some people's shit list. You intended it as a discussion. They saw it as an "attack" on "their game" and immediately went on the defensive. It was over before it began.
My advice... don't bother arguing it. You're not going to get through, because when people are so determined to be willfully ignorant, nothing you say will make a difference anyway.
I understood exactly what you meant and know that it is a real issue, because I know other people in WoW who are in the same predicament. Best thing you could have done is walked away, which you did.
Just... don't expect to come here and have a civil conversation about it.
Edit: I even have a situation like this close to home with my own sister. She's a WoW junkie. Loves the game, thinks is the best thing ever created. And, she absolutely cannot fathom how I don't like it. Last time I tried playing it, I hit my usual limit (around level 30-40) and got bored, so I cancelled.
She asked "Why did you cancel?" Me: "It got boring and I didn't feel like logging in anymore." She replies, "You can't say it's boring, you haven't played enough of it. The game has *so* *much* to do... There's no way you can say it's boring." I said, "For you, I'm sure it does. For me, it just becomes too repetitive".
She then gets defensive and asks, "Well, what's so great about FFXI? Why do you keep playing that? How come that game isn't boring?" "Way more to do" I tell her. "That's not true... WoW has *so* *many* quests... *So* *much* to do..." "Yes", I say, "so does FFXI. But it also has Campaign and Besieged and Assault and Einherjar and BCNMs and Salvage, and Dynamis and "Sea" and "Sky" and a list of other things.. each is a separate activity; something else to do besides questing".
"So?", she says, "WoW has Battlegrounds and Arena and raids", a triumphant tone in her voice. "I don't enjoy BG's and I'm not crazy about Arena, and if the game is boring to me in the 30s, I doubt I'd make it far enough to begin raiding." "Well," she says, frustrated, "I still don't think you can say WoW is boring. You didn't play it enough. You didn't give it enough of a chance. I think it's an *amazing* game. *So* *much* to do. But, you don't want to give it a fair try."
Seeing that my own sister has fallen victim to the whole "you're wrong if you don't like WoW because you didn't play it enough" mentality, I said, "Look... I've given the game more chances than most would.. I've tried wholeheartedly to get into it at least 5 times, going as far back as beta. How many times do I have to try it before you think I'm allowed to say "I don't like it"?
She just sorta dropped the debate at that point.
To this day, though, she still pleads with me to give it another try so that I can see how it's such an amazing game. WoTLK has totally reinvigorated her on that track. And of course, she still gets flustered when I tell her why I'm not interested.
Another guy I know has declared that with the release of WoTLK, WoW has rendered all other MMOs irrelevant and they may as well just shut down. No joke. Trying to tell him why you don't like WoW is a whole other story.. he becomes downright belligerent.
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Originally posted by metalhead980 Let me guess you only played Eve on the 14-21 day trial right? Only newbs in rookie chat talk about WoW oh and guess what those noobs are actually WoW players shitting on a game that they actually still play. You wont find one player over 30 days old in rookie chat, once you get into a corp (guild) if you start talking about other games and ruining peoples convos with that nonsense you will be kicked or killed. Eve players talk about strange shit like politics, sex, religion, Blance issues, Retro gaming and strange sci-fi topics they have way more interesting things to talk about then WoW with your chuck norris jokes.
Lol, sorry to have upset you. No, my longest stretch in Eve is about 3 months; I go back every so often. Sorry, but I saw/read plenty of chat about other games, including WoW.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Originally posted by Deliriumz1 What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things . I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive; I think most gamers are by nature. However, to whine and cry because you don't want to invest in the time is another thing.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Originally posted by Deliriumz1 What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things . I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive; I think most gamers are by nature. However, to whine and cry because you don't want to invest in the time is another thing.
reread my posts please, I never said I didn't want to invest time. Hell once I gave up raiding I played with my Orc hunter almost 40 hours a week. Its schedules and playing when other people want me too is what bothers me.
Ill play 100 hours a week I dont care I just refuse to follow a damn schedule every week for a game.
I think the problem maybe the lockout mechanic in wow. It forces guild leaders to make these idiot 7-1am schedules 3-5 times a week. I just can't stand the schedules.
If im online and my guild suddenly wants to clear a raid instance im down. but to shift my life around tuesday-sat raids at 7pm to 1am thats when i get crazy.
Some people have said not to raid but thats where the best shit is, dont point me to heroics, arenas or crafted gear all the gear is inferior. In WoW you can't get the best unless you follow a damn schedule like the game is a job.
Originally posted by Deliriumz1 What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things . I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive; I think most gamers are by nature. However, to whine and cry because you don't want to invest in the time is another thing.
reread my posts please, I never said I didn't want to invest time. Hell once I gave up raiding I played with my Orc hunter almost 40 hours a week. Its schedules and playing when other people want me too is what bothers me.
Ill play 100 hours a week I dont care I just refuse to follow a damn schedule every week for a game.
I think the problem maybe the lockout mechanic in wow. It forces guild leaders to make these idiot 7-1am schedules 3-5 times a week. I just can't stand the schedules.
If im online and my guild suddenly wants to clear a raid instance im down. but to shift my life around tuesday-sat raids at 7pm to 1am thats when i get crazy.
Some people have said not to raid but thats where the best shit is, dont point me to heroics, arenas or crafted gear all the gear is inferior. In WoW you can't get the best unless you follow a damn schedule like the game is a job.
If you want to raid then yes the best stuff is gotten through raiding, if you want to do other stuff however then no that's simply not true (like PvP for example). Also, you're still talking about a player problem. Find a guild that doesn't do it's 7-11 raiding if that's your problem, create a casual raiding guild of people that raid whenever they feel like it or something. You're not bound to those rules unless you let people bind you to it.
Very good post indeed kinda sums up my feeling but I on the other hand schedule my life around the game, but I know exactly how you feel, If I wasnt raiding I would most likely quit the game, but to fully enjoyy the PVE content and the thrill of the end game boss killing you do need to reschedule your life to fit whatever your guild is doing needs, and thats a shame really I like what your saying where you can progress at any point and not at a certain schedule and I agree and wish they did that, but that would most likely mean a total overhaul of the raiding system and I doubt thats gonna happen before blizz releases their next mmo "maybe", their quick fix was to dumb down content and introduce 10 man as an option to the people that dont want to commit to tight schedules which i think was a bad move.
The major flaw in the raiding system were always the numbers pre-TBC not everyone could get 40 people willing to raid for 4-5 days a week and you had a big chance of missing people at raid time which was a major problem. 25 sort of fixed it you saw alot more guilds rising up as raiding guilds raids were alot less forgiving than 40 man but its easier to control 25 people than 40. I think ultimately 10 man only would be a good number of people to beat down encounters, make encounters harder around 10 people, alot less tank and spank and more positioning , DPS, and interactivity and then you can be alot more flexible on schedules. If i look at my guild right now 90% of the time I login and I could create a 10 man group for progression.
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I hear ya. Gaming as a lifestyle (tongue in cheek) has hit hardcore, and people aren't rewarded unless they make a lifetime commitment. And in the case of WoW you have to commit to partnering with 15yr old "lifers" to get anywhere in the high levels. I've quit and rejoined several times. It's like MSG candy that once in your mouth extends spikes and chokes the very life from you.
That being said, I'm reinstalling WoW as I type this. Sigh.
I totally get the OP, because I have the exact same problem. I have always been very competitive, in real life sports, e-sports, u name it .. When i started wow pre-tbc i used to play every day for atleast 7 hours, but since i was still younger and slightly couldnt be arsed to do my skoolwork, this never rly gave any problems. I was able to gather quite a lot of the high end gear because I put so much work into my char and raiding ( anyone who was a prot warrior before tbc knows what a c*nt it is to farm cash when ur still upgrading ur gear).
When TBC was released, I'd quit for several months, because all of the work I've put into it basically got reduced back to 0. But fair enuf, I knew it was going to happen sooner or later, so after a few months I started again, and immediatly got back into the same routine. But after being top level again for a while, raiding every night, I started to feel less and less amused with the game. I hated not being able to do anything in the evening because I had to raid ( not showing up for raids certain amounts a week resulted in guildkick ), and the game felt more and more as a drag.
I've know gotten to a point where I just cant enjoy myself with the game at all anymore. Not because it's a bad game ( I would never have put that much time in it if i didnt think the game was amazing tbh) but just because I felt more and more like a company worker having to clock in at 6.30 to be ready to raid at 7 til 1.30 at night.
I've tried several mmo's after WoW but none really grabbed my enthousiasm as much as wow did, and i doubt that any mmo in the nearby future will. I'm keeping an eye on aion since that seems promissing, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Heh ... I used to raid Horde cities with my druid all the time and only had a few blues. My goal wasn't to stand in front and kill everyone that came at me, nor was it to kill a specific NPC; my goal was keep ganking, while evading the masses search for me. I think my record is 20 minutes in Org lol.
As to the OP, grats on figuring out WoW isn't for you and I'm sorry it took so long to realize.
Personally, one of the primary reason's I play WoW is specifically because of it's casual nature. Between a shat ton of travel and family, WoW lets me log on for a few hours every so often and provides a lot of fun. I guess I'm lucky I don't have some obsession with feeling uber lol.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
I really do not understand what you are compaining about. Endgame raid gear is far from the best gear in the game.
Endgame raid gear pretty much only allows you to do more raids. The stats setup is usually completely useless for any other part of the game. So if your idea of competitive is starting in the middle of Dalaran having much higher PvE stats than everyone else, I guess WoW isnt the game for you.
Your other options are
-PvP at your own pace whenever you want for the actual most competitive gear in the game....
-Craft gear that is a relatively balance mix of PvE/PvP gear.
-Run short pick up group dungeons and heroics for a very comparable set of PvE gear.
Did you play World of Warcraft like 3 years ago and forget to make this post until now?
Heh ... if it wasn't WoW, it was SWG people were chatting about in Jita (I think all that lag made people more talkative lol).
What I always find funnier are all the folks here with qualifiers in their sigs: Playing - WoW (but only because of friends). Lol, idiots.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
Yeah, I guess they get a bonus for each mining field.
For those who didn't try EVE yet, take out a miner in Wow and let him beat 10 minutes on one node and then return on a flight path the next 12 minutes to sell it off at a vendor.
That would give you a good feeling of the basic EvE play. Oh and you'll never see your feet anyway, nor your legs, arms either. But they insist in calling it a sandbox. Because your spaceship is .... your avatar. Actually makes me think of Aliens and you are the Alien.
No wonder they let the players do these things off line now. Yep you can play wthout playing EVE, ... makes for a great handicap for new players: they will never catch up those older players.
And this guy complains of not having the best gear in Wow if you don't do raids. Never heard of heroics or Arena gear I guess.
I answered his remarks, never got a decent answer. It shows he just wants to troll and hype Eve.
I'm not trying to promote Eve in anyway, this was a WoW thread I only brought up Eve cause someone asked, did you even read the thread?
Eve is a good game but not for everyone, I would never try to push Eve on WoW players we have enough of you guys in rookie chat playing the game (like 2k new players everyday trying the game that are clueless).
OH and I did answer you, you told me to run Pugs and heroics right? how the hell does that make sense since im saying I dont want to play since I don't like schedules, but still want to be powerful?
Heroic gear is shit compared to 25 man raid gear. I want a powerful character not a welfare epic'd out toon that the real player look down on.
Maybe you guys should stop trying to talk shit about eve and actually reread the thread.
I don't like schedules it feels like I have to play a game like a job I never said I didn't like WoW just schedules that are required to become powerful.
Hell I even brought up[ lotro and WAr as being similar thats why i don't play those either.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
If you don't want to raid anyway why would you do 25 man raids to become stronger?
Heh ... if it wasn't WoW, it was SWG people were chatting about in Jita (I think all that lag made people more talkative lol).
What I always find funnier are all the folks here with qualifiers in their sigs: Playing - WoW (but only because of friends). Lol, idiots.
Let me guess you only played Eve on the 14-21 day trial right?
Only newbs in rookie chat talk about WoW oh and guess what those noobs are actually WoW players shitting on a game that they actually still play.
You wont find one player over 30 days old in rookie chat, once you get into a corp (guild) if you start talking about other games and ruining peoples convos with that nonsense you will be kicked or killed.
Eve players talk about strange shit like politics, sex, religion, Blance issues, Retro gaming and strange sci-fi topics they have way more interesting things to talk about then WoW with your chuck norris jokes.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
At least the OP and some of his "competitive," "have to pwn" co-posters have admitted their problem. That's the first step to a cure.
It's so cute that they think "pwn" is a word.
Arguing with me will not make you right.
hmmm I said I didn't want to raid?
I said I didn't like schedules I was a hardcore raider I got sick of logging in when my GM wanted me to.
It came to the point that I was lying to my guildies about Internet problems so i could play on my own on a new server.
I don't hate WoW just the sick feeling I get when I have to follow some assholes schedule.
I was the MT of my guild I was required to play seven days a week atleast 6 hours a night to keep those epics flowing or I would lose my job. understand why im burnt out and hate schedules now I did that for two years.
I'm happy my wife played also or I would have probably been left by her.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Thats all MMOs are imo, To be better then anyone else.
I'm sure when you play WoW you log in and try to level up or gear up in someway to be better then the next guy/gal.
I'm sure you don't just log into be worse than other players.
Its a videogame with carrot on the stick mechanic, wouldnt you want to be a awesome player and out play people? Lets say you play a tank wouldnt you want better gear then the hundred other tanks in IF or Ogr? Wouldnt you want your friends to comeback from a pug with another tank saying how they should have taken you cause ur way better? and easier to heal?
thats how these games work.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things
. I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
What's wrong with liking to be competitive ? I never made it a secret that I have been competitive, and it's the reason why I have gotten so far with a lot of things
. I don't get why I would need to get cured ? I personally enjoy seeying improvement in my game or sports after practicing for a long time, but I still have fun while practicing this.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
hmmm I said I didn't want to raid?
I said I didn't like schedules I was a hardcore raider I got sick of logging in when my GM wanted me to.
It came to the point that I was lying to my guildies about Internet problems so i could play on my own on a new server.
I don't hate WoW just the sick feeling I get when I have to follow some assholes schedule.
I was the MT of my guild I was required to play seven days a week atleast 6 hours a night to keep those epics flowing or I would lose my job. understand why im burnt out and hate schedules now I did that for two years.
I'm happy my wife played also or I would have probably been left by her.
So basically your problem is with the type of guild you were in, not the game.
lol same thing happens to me ill reinstall the game, play for awhile, and then uninstall in complete disgust. i dont know why i try anymore
I understand what the OP is saying. The first time I quit WOW, was basically out of frustration with the raiding system. I wanted to be competitive at end game, but although I was putting in long hours I just do not have the patience or the personality to sit through 2 to 3 hours or more of raiding and get nothing for the time invested. Being 1 of 40 at the bottom of a loot point system was no fun at all, and the thought of having to run the same content over and over and over and over and over again just to build points so I might get a good piece of gear was too much to bare.
Now after having returned to WOW, I'm trying to focus on things other than end game and raiding. At some point, I may have to raid, but I think since I started a brand new character on a new server, that time is a ways off. Meanwhile I'm having fun living once again in the world of WOW and doing all the fun things there are to do.
Being an Eve fan means you have to constantly tell everybody why you don't like WoW. I can't find the exact rule in the game's documentation but it must be in there somewhere, because they do it all the time.
Yeah, I guess they get a bonus for each mining field.
For those who didn't try EVE yet, take out a miner in Wow and let him beat 10 minutes on one node and then return on a flight path the next 12 minutes to sell it off at a vendor.
That would give you a good feeling of the basic EvE play. Oh and you'll never see your feet anyway, nor your legs, arms either. But they insist in calling it a sandbox. Because your spaceship is .... your avatar. Actually makes me think of Aliens and you are the Alien.
No wonder they let the players do these things off line now. Yep you can play wthout playing EVE, ... makes for a great handicap for new players: they will never catch up those older players.
And this guy complains of not having the best gear in Wow if you don't do raids. Never heard of heroics or Arena gear I guess.
I answered his remarks, never got a decent answer. It shows he just wants to troll and hype Eve.
I'm not trying to promote Eve in anyway, this was a WoW thread I only brought up Eve cause someone asked, did you even read the thread?
Eve is a good game but not for everyone, I would never try to push Eve on WoW players we have enough of you guys in rookie chat playing the game (like 2k new players everyday trying the game that are clueless).
OH and I did answer you, you told me to run Pugs and heroics right? how the hell does that make sense since im saying I dont want to play since I don't like schedules, but still want to be powerful?
Heroic gear is shit compared to 25 man raid gear. I want a powerful character not a welfare epic'd out toon that the real player look down on.
Maybe you guys should stop trying to talk shit about eve and actually reread the thread.
I don't like schedules it feels like I have to play a game like a job I never said I didn't like WoW just schedules that are required to become powerful.
Hell I even brought up[ lotro and WAr as being similar thats why i don't play those either.
Meh... don't take it personally. I have a feeling at least most of the people here actually do understand what you're saying.
But, see... on these here MMORPG.com forums, more so for some games than for others... it doesn't matter how lucid, well-reasoned or clearly explained your case is...
If it has a negative tinge about others' favorite game, they're going to immediately rip into you for it... in any way possible. That includes taking things you say out of context (deliberately) and throwing rebuttals at you that are irrelevant to what you've said.
As you pointed out, it can really make you wonder if they've actually read your post.
In your case, it started with the subject line... "... why I can't bring myself to play WoW".
See... that indicates it's not going to be a pro-WoW post and so, you are immediately on some people's shit list. You intended it as a discussion. They saw it as an "attack" on "their game" and immediately went on the defensive. It was over before it began.
My advice... don't bother arguing it. You're not going to get through, because when people are so determined to be willfully ignorant, nothing you say will make a difference anyway.
I understood exactly what you meant and know that it is a real issue, because I know other people in WoW who are in the same predicament. Best thing you could have done is walked away, which you did.
Just... don't expect to come here and have a civil conversation about it.
Edit: I even have a situation like this close to home with my own sister. She's a WoW junkie. Loves the game, thinks is the best thing ever created. And, she absolutely cannot fathom how I don't like it. Last time I tried playing it, I hit my usual limit (around level 30-40) and got bored, so I cancelled.
She asked "Why did you cancel?" Me: "It got boring and I didn't feel like logging in anymore." She replies, "You can't say it's boring, you haven't played enough of it. The game has *so* *much* to do... There's no way you can say it's boring." I said, "For you, I'm sure it does. For me, it just becomes too repetitive".
She then gets defensive and asks, "Well, what's so great about FFXI? Why do you keep playing that? How come that game isn't boring?" "Way more to do" I tell her. "That's not true... WoW has *so* *many* quests... *So* *much* to do..." "Yes", I say, "so does FFXI. But it also has Campaign and Besieged and Assault and Einherjar and BCNMs and Salvage, and Dynamis and "Sea" and "Sky" and a list of other things.. each is a separate activity; something else to do besides questing".
"So?", she says, "WoW has Battlegrounds and Arena and raids", a triumphant tone in her voice. "I don't enjoy BG's and I'm not crazy about Arena, and if the game is boring to me in the 30s, I doubt I'd make it far enough to begin raiding." "Well," she says, frustrated, "I still don't think you can say WoW is boring. You didn't play it enough. You didn't give it enough of a chance. I think it's an *amazing* game. *So* *much* to do. But, you don't want to give it a fair try."
Seeing that my own sister has fallen victim to the whole "you're wrong if you don't like WoW because you didn't play it enough" mentality, I said, "Look... I've given the game more chances than most would.. I've tried wholeheartedly to get into it at least 5 times, going as far back as beta. How many times do I have to try it before you think I'm allowed to say "I don't like it"?
She just sorta dropped the debate at that point.
To this day, though, she still pleads with me to give it another try so that I can see how it's such an amazing game. WoTLK has totally reinvigorated her on that track. And of course, she still gets flustered when I tell her why I'm not interested.
Another guy I know has declared that with the release of WoTLK, WoW has rendered all other MMOs irrelevant and they may as well just shut down. No joke. Trying to tell him why you don't like WoW is a whole other story.. he becomes downright belligerent.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Lol, sorry to have upset you. No, my longest stretch in Eve is about 3 months; I go back every so often. Sorry, but I saw/read plenty of chat about other games, including WoW.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive; I think most gamers are by nature. However, to whine and cry because you don't want to invest in the time is another thing.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive; I think most gamers are by nature. However, to whine and cry because you don't want to invest in the time is another thing.
reread my posts please, I never said I didn't want to invest time. Hell once I gave up raiding I played with my Orc hunter almost 40 hours a week. Its schedules and playing when other people want me too is what bothers me.
Ill play 100 hours a week I dont care I just refuse to follow a damn schedule every week for a game.
I think the problem maybe the lockout mechanic in wow. It forces guild leaders to make these idiot 7-1am schedules 3-5 times a week. I just can't stand the schedules.
If im online and my guild suddenly wants to clear a raid instance im down. but to shift my life around tuesday-sat raids at 7pm to 1am thats when i get crazy.
Some people have said not to raid but thats where the best shit is, dont point me to heroics, arenas or crafted gear all the gear is inferior. In WoW you can't get the best unless you follow a damn schedule like the game is a job.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being competitive; I think most gamers are by nature. However, to whine and cry because you don't want to invest in the time is another thing.
reread my posts please, I never said I didn't want to invest time. Hell once I gave up raiding I played with my Orc hunter almost 40 hours a week. Its schedules and playing when other people want me too is what bothers me.
Ill play 100 hours a week I dont care I just refuse to follow a damn schedule every week for a game.
I think the problem maybe the lockout mechanic in wow. It forces guild leaders to make these idiot 7-1am schedules 3-5 times a week. I just can't stand the schedules.
If im online and my guild suddenly wants to clear a raid instance im down. but to shift my life around tuesday-sat raids at 7pm to 1am thats when i get crazy.
Some people have said not to raid but thats where the best shit is, dont point me to heroics, arenas or crafted gear all the gear is inferior. In WoW you can't get the best unless you follow a damn schedule like the game is a job.
If you want to raid then yes the best stuff is gotten through raiding, if you want to do other stuff however then no that's simply not true (like PvP for example). Also, you're still talking about a player problem. Find a guild that doesn't do it's 7-11 raiding if that's your problem, create a casual raiding guild of people that raid whenever they feel like it or something. You're not bound to those rules unless you let people bind you to it.
You don't need to raid to get epics anymore. You can either do heroics to get badges, or you can do pvp.
WoW has changed a lot since 40 man Onyxia raids.
To the OP:
Very good post indeed kinda sums up my feeling but I on the other hand schedule my life around the game, but I know exactly how you feel, If I wasnt raiding I would most likely quit the game, but to fully enjoyy the PVE content and the thrill of the end game boss killing you do need to reschedule your life to fit whatever your guild is doing needs, and thats a shame really I like what your saying where you can progress at any point and not at a certain schedule and I agree and wish they did that, but that would most likely mean a total overhaul of the raiding system and I doubt thats gonna happen before blizz releases their next mmo "maybe", their quick fix was to dumb down content and introduce 10 man as an option to the people that dont want to commit to tight schedules which i think was a bad move.
The major flaw in the raiding system were always the numbers pre-TBC not everyone could get 40 people willing to raid for 4-5 days a week and you had a big chance of missing people at raid time which was a major problem. 25 sort of fixed it you saw alot more guilds rising up as raiding guilds raids were alot less forgiving than 40 man but its easier to control 25 people than 40. I think ultimately 10 man only would be a good number of people to beat down encounters, make encounters harder around 10 people, alot less tank and spank and more positioning , DPS, and interactivity and then you can be alot more flexible on schedules. If i look at my guild right now 90% of the time I login and I could create a 10 man group for progression.