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why NOT to bother with VG
timbuctoo
Member Posts: 10
because at the end of the free trial you will come to realise a few things:
- SOE does not care enough about the game to throw more recources, or plan for any expansions. Expect zilch in the future bar a few world events here and there,... and another flying mount!!!! wooow
- Once you hit 50 you, like I, will feel extremely disappointed bout what it 'COULD' have been.
In the end. Welcome to Planetside 2.0, Not going to say more but you should go waste that month on your free trial yourself and find out
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Hmm didn't they just add a whole list of new stuff??
2 new zones one more in the previous gu, and a new dungeon and raid area in the next gu....
fishing system
armor enhancement system
new items and equipment to go with the new areas
And coming soon
AA advancement system
Level cap increase
more new content
And besides this various events like the gloriann winter events and before that thanksgiving.
Here is a post answering some player questions
forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m
All in all it really doesn't seem to match what you outline... It could always use more resources but I think that zilch in terms of updates is way understating what they are doing.
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Ethion
Here was something someone posted in that thread which I think states things pretty well.
I think the new additions added to Vanguard combined from this past year could have been delivered as a mini x-pansion. But you guys just gave it to us.
I've mentioned before that sometimes people only like/enjoy to focus/highlight/dwell on negative and bypass/forget/skip positive.
This past 2008 you delivered alot of positive optimization improvements & new content. Isle of Dawn alone was a big chunk of positive.
Flying mount griffon and wyvrn quest, new faction based system, new racial mounts, new overland targets, Isle of Dawn (newbie island), galleons, fishing, m.e.s.t quests, character customization returned, new character models, additional classes to some races, new player helmets, armor styles revamped, armor enchantments, new faction based armor, new pvp arena, harvest day, grim harvest, player costumes, shores of darkness, karax,varking,guar,si'imr, the telon global exchange, you also increased our market cap & added an expiration, riftways were revamped, you gave us 4 additional character slots, new diplomacy clothing/cards, new diplomacy masks. And this doesnt even include all of the bug fixes/optimizations that improved vanguards performance.
Vanguard is definately a playable game now.
thanks for taking the time to answer all of those questions, looking forward to vanguard 2009! (and a Black Peagusus)
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Ethion
I hit level 50 a few times in VG, and I never felt disappointed with the game yet. So please, avoid more stereotypes based on your own/personal experience with the game.
I hit level 50 a few times in VG, and I never felt disappointed with the game yet. So please, avoid more stereotypes based on your own/personal experience with the game.
Judging from the lack of subs for VG it appears more people agree with the OP's experience and not yours.
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I'd play VG again if there was more endgame content that wasn't raiding. I find nothing in any MMO more boring than raiding. It just doesn't have the same appeal for me that it did in EQ many moons ago.
Incidentally, I fired it up a fortnight ago because a friend has started playing and wanted some money. Now when I used to play (from beta until AoC came out) I had none of the performance issues I'd seen people complain about. However, when I logged in, everything was jerky and I found it difficult to do anything (I was in Khal). This was the first time I'd been in VG since the graphical 'improvements' so I guess I'd need to spend a day or so tweaking if I wanted it to be playable again, but the lack of non-raid related content doesn't inspire me to do so.
I'd recommend everyone try VG though - I know I try every game that I can!
I hit level 50 a few times in VG, and I never felt disappointed with the game yet. So please, avoid more stereotypes based on your own/personal experience with the game.
Judging from the lack of subs for VG it appears more people agree with the OP's experience and not yours.
Is it all you can do? Did I say everyone will be happy at level 50? I just said not everyone will be disappointed as OP stated. READ MY POST CAREFULLY NEXT TIME IF YOU'RE QUOTING ME. But I guess with your 1843290 posts here, you just jump here and there and add something irrelevant like this.
To the point, VG sold maybe 130k boxes and the sub base is somewhere around 30k. How many of these 130k people hit level 50?
When you're making up your mind, trying to form an opinion or considering which game do you start, do you always check how popular it is? Do you really believe the taste of majority is right and fits well with your taste as well?
Is it all you can do? Did I say everyone will be happy at level 50? I just said not everyone will be disappointed as OP stated. READ MY POST CAREFULLY NEXT TIME IF YOU'RE QUOTING ME. But I guess with your 1843290 posts here, you just jump here and there and add something irrelevant like this.
To the point, VG sold maybe 130k boxes and the sub base is somewhere around 30k. How many of these 130k people hit level 50?
When you're making up your mind, trying to form an opinion or considering which game do you start, do you always check how popular it is? Do you really believe the taste of majority is right and fits well with your taste as well?
One liners are his specialty.
Of course nobody expects experiences to be all the same...that is a given. To a reasonable person anyway. I think the biggest reason for VG's lack of sub numbers was the release, I doubt I'm alone. If it had released at a minimum of 6 months later it would have been much better and would have held a lot of people. It was bustling on release and most of the people left because the game simply was not complete.
Granted it doesn't have a huge budget, but they are making consistent progress. That is all you can ask for, within reason, given their small sub base.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Is it all you can do? Did I say everyone will be happy at level 50? I just said not everyone will be disappointed as OP stated. READ MY POST CAREFULLY NEXT TIME IF YOU'RE QUOTING ME. But I guess with your 1843290 posts here, you just jump here and there and add something irrelevant like this.
To the point, VG sold maybe 130k boxes and the sub base is somewhere around 30k. How many of these 130k people hit level 50?
When you're making up your mind, trying to form an opinion or considering which game do you start, do you always check how popular it is? Do you really believe the taste of majority is right and fits well with your taste as well?
One liners are his specialty.
Of course nobody expects experiences to be all the same...that is a given. To a reasonable person anyway. I think the biggest reason for VG's lack of sub numbers was the release, I doubt I'm alone. If it had released at a minimum of 6 months later it would have been much better and would have held a lot of people. It was bustling on release and most of the people left because the game simply was not complete.
Granted it doesn't have a huge budget, but they are making consistent progress. That is all you can ask for, within reason, given their small sub base.
Yes, altho I think the release was only a partial reason. If you take a look at the sales number (100k boxes during first 3 months If I remember it right), it's poor. It means they had no money left on advertisment after they were cut of from microsoft funds.
The game itself does not appeal to mass market, so I believe it will never have more than 100k subs no matter how good it is. The game is too complicated in some ways, there are so many hidden things you easily miss if you don't search through tons of forum threads to find out what you're looking for.
Hmm didn't they just add a whole list of new stuff??
2 new zones one more in the previous gu, and a new dungeon and raid area in the next gu....
Broke and buggy, they're still patching that junk
fishing system
Wee......
armor enhancement system
Agian...wee. +2 STR or +15 hitpoints. Most of it is garbage and not worht the trouble
new items and equipment to go with the new areas
..and some of it isn't even itemized yet - monsters drop nothing or wont allow you to loot them
And coming soon
AA advancement system
Define soon - We waited 8 months for Pantheon and now it's delayed another 6 months
Level cap increase
Will equal trivialized gameplay because they arent adding harder mobs
more new content
And besides this various events like the gloriann winter events and before that thanksgiving.
You mean like the snowman raid mob and flyinig reindeer? Yip YIp
if SOE felt they could have made a profit they would have made it an expansion......You need look no further than EQ as to how they handle that......Vanguard doesnt have the subs to make an expansion worthwhile......Heck you cant even find a copy of Vanguard anymore in gamestop.....They probably dont even know that it exists anymore.
if SOE felt they could have made a profit they would have made it an expansion......You need look no further than EQ as to how they handle that......Vanguard doesnt have the subs to make an expansion worthwhile......Heck you cant even find a copy of Vanguard anymore in gamestop.....They probably dont even know that it exists anymore.
They don't print new boxes of Vanguard.....I'm not even shure they printed a second batch of copies after the release..... You won't need to buy the game anymore.....You just need to subscribe to it.....But that doesn't matter anyway....If there is someone that feels that last years content was like a mini expansion....There is nothing one can say or do to change that.....No matter how much one tries.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I just came back, because I missed an old school type game. I was pleasantly surprised to find out I could play for free until Feb. 2009.
Last time I left, it was because the game had such a low population. After reading the forums here since then, I've read that the population is growing and that the bugs were fixed and the game was ready to be playable and should be rereleased.
I got through the trial island; the community was overall good, the game was fun, but there were some obvious bugs that still have not been fixed. I ran into a few bugs just on the island alone. I can handle some bugs in a game that's pretty fun, so I moved onto the mainland.
I was having fun, but was quickly getting aggravated at how unfriendly the game is to users. Then I encountered some more bugs that were painfully obvious that I knew the devs just ignored them. I complained about the bugs on chat to see if the community was sympathetic. At least if the community was sympathetic, I could play the game knowing we're all pushing for the game to be fixed.
Instead, people got really hostile and overly defensive of the game, like the game was their lively-hood or something. It was then that I figured I won't bother with this game anymore. The community was supposed to be the games strong point and I was banking on it to be able to look past some of VG's flaws. With VG players being so damned defensive over a product, I just uninstalled the game and won't be going back this time, no matter if there is another free trial going or not. I left last year around this time and decided that I liked the game enough to give it another shot after the trial island released. This was VG's last chance to leave a good impression, and while the game is fun, it just doesn't have the quality I look for in a game I have to pay for monthly and the community being defensive was the kicker.
* Played on Seradon*
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
You introduced yourself to the game's players by complaining about bugs, and you wonder why your reception was less than friendly. Wow, it's too bad everyone isn't as objective as you.
Heh, I was thinking along the same lines.
Also kinda wierd that he contradicts himself from one paragraph to another. First he says that the community overall was good and that he could handle a game if it was fun to play.
Then turns around and says that the bugs were too troublesome and that the community suddenly was hostile, overly defensive and not sympathetic when he complained about them.
Errr...
First thing that comes to mind is why do players have to be sympathetic to someone's personal feelings toward the game in order for them to play it? Some bugs are going to bother people while others couldn't care less. Are you looking to meet people so you can group up, hang out and have fun. Or are you looking for a support group?
In my time playing it, I found those I talked to to be very friendly and even helpful. I was extended more than one guild invitation once I'd left the starting island. But then again, I didn't attempt to endear myself to the community by complaining about bugs with expectation they'd be sympathetic with my plight. So... might be a connection there.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Do you work for SOE or something? If not, why are you so defensive of their game. You do realize it's not YOUR game, right? If anything, you should support a person complaining about bugs, because it's the right thing to do to demand quality from a product that requires you to pay every month for a service.
I am an objective person. For example, I play WoW right now and it's a lot of fun. But if a person was to come onto the WoW forums or go in the game and complain about how shallow WoW is or how Northrend has FPS issues, I'd agree. A person can be objective and critical at the same time.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Do you work for SOE or something? If not, why are you so defensive of their game. You do realize it's not YOUR game, right? If anything, you should support a person complaining about bugs, because it's the right thing to do to demand quality from a product that requires you to pay every month for a service.
Hooray for strawman arguments.
He wasn't defending the game. He was calling into question the manner in which you introduced yourself to the community... by complaining about bugs, to see if they'd sympathetically rally behind you so you could "look past the problems" and enjoy the game anyway.
Basically, your ability to enjoy the game lies not in your enjoyment of the game itself.. but in how sympathetic its community is when someone starts complaining out of the blue about bugs.
A rather unfair thing to expect from people who don't know you from jack, isn't it?
I am an objective person. For example, I play WoW right now and it's a lot of fun. But if a person was to come onto the WoW forums or go in the game and complain about how shallow WoW is or how Northrend has FPS issues, I'd agree. A person can be objective and critical at the same time.
So you'd agree with them... even if you don't agree with them?
I don't understand that mentality.
It's also okay to acknowledge a differing opinion while respectfully disagreeing with it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Heh, I was thinking along the same lines.
Also kinda wierd that he seems to have kept looking for reasons to be turned off to it.
"I found bugs... but maybe I could look past them if the players were sympathetic to my aggravation about them..."
Why do players have to be sympathetic to someone's personal feelings toward the game in order for them to play it? Are you looking to meet people so you can group up, hang out and have fun, or are you looking for a support group?
In my time playing it, I found those I talked to to be very friendly and even helpful. I was extended more than one guild invitation once I'd left the starting island. But then again, I didn't attempt to endear myself to the community by complaining about bugs with expectation they'd be sympathetic with my plight. So... might be a connection there.
This is a typical response by VG players. A person criticizes a game, and you criticize the new player. We're both consumers, and their the company. We should be thinking alike on this matter, not fighting. It boggles my mind that people will defend an inferior product when confronted on it.
I didn't go in the game looking for the bad. Why the hell would I pay to do that? No, I went in the game to play it and have fun. I am a community oriented person, and love to group up, and chat. However, while I'm having fun and chatting I come across some obvious bugs and then I mention them on chat, I shouldn't get slammed for it, people should acknowledge them to the player, so the player isn't thinking he's the only person who notices the game is buggy.
Why should a person want the community to sympathize with them concerning the current state of the game? Because it shows that the community cares enough about the game to want it to be fixed and polished. Being fixed and polished ensures a good future for the game, so that the new person in the community doesn't feel like they are wasting their time playing the game. Why is it a waste of time to play a game that has problems and has a small community? Because SOE has shown that they will completely revamp the game into nothingless if it doesn't perform to their expectations.
So yes, I was looking for support from the community on my bad experience with the bugs in the game. It shows that I'm not alone in my viewpoints and that the game might have a future. People argue that every game has bugs, but no other game I've tried has bugs so obvious and long lasting that I've tried, and I've played almost every P2P game out there.
Every game has bugs, but it's how the devs approach those bugs and how fast they fix them that show the community that they care. Even WoW has bugs, but they aren't easy to find and when you do find them, the devs fix them up. Quality is just as important as a long list of features. I think Vanguard is a beautiful game and a lot of fun. Hell, I was rooting for the game while it was in development. I couldn't contain my excitement, because that's how good the game sounded on paper. After playing it, the game delivers on what I expected, but the problems the game has stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe it doesn't bother the VG community, but it bothers me.
Now please, don't argue my viewpoint on this, because it won't change. If you want to tell mmorpg.com readers that VG is bugfree and performance is great, and the population is growing and superfriendly, then go right ahead. I've stated my opinion for everyone to see and if they still wish to play the game, then fine, who am I to stop them. I just think it's fair that readers hear as many opinions as people care to give. Especially when the game has such a bad wrap.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
Heh, I was thinking along the same lines.
Also kinda wierd that he seems to have kept looking for reasons to be turned off to it.
"I found bugs... but maybe I could look past them if the players were sympathetic to my aggravation about them..."
Why do players have to be sympathetic to someone's personal feelings toward the game in order for them to play it? Are you looking to meet people so you can group up, hang out and have fun, or are you looking for a support group?
In my time playing it, I found those I talked to to be very friendly and even helpful. I was extended more than one guild invitation once I'd left the starting island. But then again, I didn't attempt to endear myself to the community by complaining about bugs with expectation they'd be sympathetic with my plight. So... might be a connection there.
This is a typical response by VG players. A person criticizes a game, and you criticize the new player. We're both consumers, and their the company. We should be thinking alike on this matter, not fighting. It boggles my mind that people will defend an inferior product when confronted on it.
Different people have different ways of responding to the same situation. You look for sympathy and support and "solidarity" when complaining about bugs. Others probably couldn't care less. And still others, perhaps, are more annoyed by the complaining than they are by the bugs you're complaining about.
People are different with minds and attitudes of their own. You can't categorically place them in neat little boxes when they don't respond the way you'd like them to. If you approach a situation expecting a specific response, plan to be disappointed.
That's life.
I didn't go in the game looking for the bad. Why the hell would I pay to do that? No, I went in the game to play it and have fun. I am a community oriented person, and love to group up, and chat. However, while I'm having fun and chatting I come across some obvious bugs and then I mention them on chat, I shouldn't get slammed for it, people should acknowledge them to the player, so the player isn't thinking he's the only person who notices the game is buggy.
So again, you're placing your own expectations on other people who don't know you from Adam... and then damning them and the game when they don't respond the way you'd like.
Know what I'd have done in your shoes? Ignored those that were slamming me and proceeded to seek out those who weren't being jackasses.
But that's just me.
Why should a person want the community to sympathize with them concerning the current state of the game? Because it shows that the community cares enough about the game to want it to be fixed and polished.
Again.. you're projecting your own expectations on others and then holding them to them. "If they cared about the game more, they'd have responded the way I expected them to, by rallying behind me and being sympathetic"
Here's another angle...
It's fair to say a good number of the players who were reading your complaints have been playing the game for considerably longer than you and have invested substantially more time and money into it.
That considered... I'd say it's safe to say they demonstrably have a lot more vested interest in the game's success than someone who just started and is ready to take their toys and go home when a community of complete strangers doesn't rally behind him or react the way he thinks they should.
More to the point... Why do they owe you any sympathy? Why do they owe you any reaction at all?
Being fixed and polished ensures a good future for the game, so that the new person in the community doesn't feel like they are wasting their time playing the game. Why is it a waste of time to play a game that has problems and has a small community? Because SOE has shown that they will completely revamp the game into nothingless if it doesn't perform to their expectations.
... Do you think you're the only one who's aware of this? I hope it's not too damaging to your ego, but nothing you're saying here is exactly a revelation... People have been begging SOE to become more active in developing and supporting the game since they took it over. Some have found SOE's progress to be good enough for them and so they continue playing. Some have found it to be not good enough and have moved on.
That you come to the game now, all these months later, and immediately assume this position of "knowing what's best for the game", expressing dismay that others don't rally behind you about it seems a bit presumptuous and arrogant.
So yes, I was looking for support from the community on my bad experience with the bugs in the game. It shows that I'm not alone in my viewpoints and that the game might have a future. People argue that every game has bugs, but no other game I've tried has bugs so obvious and long lasting that I've tried, and I've played almost every P2P game out there.
Why do you need others to validate your experiences in the game? Not enough confidence in your own judgement to make your own mind up and be satisfied at that?
You seem awfully needy.
Every game has bugs, but it's how the devs approach those bugs and how fast they fix them that show the community that they care. Even WoW has bugs, but they aren't easy to find and when you do find them, the devs fix them up. Quality is just as important as a long list of features. I think Vanguard is a beautiful game and a lot of fun. Hell, I was rooting for the game while it was in development. I couldn't contain my excitement, because that's how good the game sounded on paper. After playing it, the game delivers on what I expected, but the problems the game has stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe it doesn't bother the VG community, but it bothers me.
Ugh... let me know when the sermon's over so I can start reading again...Now please, don't argue my viewpoint on this, because it won't change.
Well then, darn good thing I'm not trying to.
It's called a "debate"; a "disagreement", even.
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm simply disagreeing.
If you want to tell mmorpg.com readers that VG is bugfree and performance is great, and the population is growing and superfriendly, then go right ahead.
I've never said that... and that's not even what this whole thing started off as.
If you're going to give these extended rebuttals, can you at least please stay on topic?
This is about you feeling let down because you started complaining about bugs in VG and other players didn't show their sympathy, and my belief that you're being irrational and perhaps a bit needy. That's *my* opinion.
I've stated my opinion for everyone to see and if they still wish to play the game, then fine, who am I to stop them. I just think it's fair that readers hear as many opinions as people care to give. Especially when the game has such a bad wrap.
Yes, because no one here would have ever known that the game has bugs if you didn't come along to enlighten them.
Some friendly advice.. and I won't get upset if you don't sympathize or agree with it...
Get over yourself.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Do you work for SOE or something? If not, why are you so defensive of their game. You do realize it's not YOUR game, right? If anything, you should support a person complaining about bugs, because it's the right thing to do to demand quality from a product that requires you to pay every month for a service.
I am an objective person. For example, I play WoW right now and it's a lot of fun. But if a person was to come onto the WoW forums or go in the game and complain about how shallow WoW is or how Northrend has FPS issues, I'd agree. A person can be objective and critical at the same time.
It's obvious you aren't going to make friends in-game by complaining. Make constructive comments on the official forum if you want to be any sort of use. I really don't care if a person thinks the game is buggy or not. Either I'm going to play it and enjoy myself, or I will choose it isn't worth playing. It's my decision. I do not feel compelled to support you or a company in any way.
So let's go with a good ending uhhhh: go back to WoW? Is that stereotypical enough for you?
*facepalm*
Heh, I was thinking along the same lines.
Also kinda wierd that he seems to have kept looking for reasons to be turned off to it.
"I found bugs... but maybe I could look past them if the players were sympathetic to my aggravation about them..."
Why do players have to be sympathetic to someone's personal feelings toward the game in order for them to play it? Are you looking to meet people so you can group up, hang out and have fun, or are you looking for a support group?
In my time playing it, I found those I talked to to be very friendly and even helpful. I was extended more than one guild invitation once I'd left the starting island. But then again, I didn't attempt to endear myself to the community by complaining about bugs with expectation they'd be sympathetic with my plight. So... might be a connection there.
This is a typical response by VG players. A person criticizes a game, and you criticize the new player. We're both consumers, and their the company. We should be thinking alike on this matter, not fighting. It boggles my mind that people will defend an inferior product when confronted on it.
Different people have different ways of responding to the same situation. You look for sympathy and support and "solidarity" when complaining about bugs. Others probably couldn't care less. And still others, perhaps, are more annoyed by the complaining than they are by the bugs you're complaining about.
People are different with minds and attitudes of their own. You can't categorically place them in neat little boxes when they don't respond the way you'd like them to. If you approach a situation expecting a specific response, plan to be disappointed.
That's life.
I didn't go in the game looking for the bad. Why the hell would I pay to do that? No, I went in the game to play it and have fun. I am a community oriented person, and love to group up, and chat. However, while I'm having fun and chatting I come across some obvious bugs and then I mention them on chat, I shouldn't get slammed for it, people should acknowledge them to the player, so the player isn't thinking he's the only person who notices the game is buggy.
So again, you're placing your own expectations on other people who don't know you from Adam... and then damning them and the game when they don't respond the way you'd like.
Know what I'd have done in your shoes? Ignored those that were slamming me and proceeded to seek out those who weren't being jackasses.
But that's just me.
Why should a person want the community to sympathize with them concerning the current state of the game? Because it shows that the community cares enough about the game to want it to be fixed and polished.
Again.. you're projecting your own expectations on others and then holding them to them. "If they cared about the game more, they'd have responded the way I expected them to, by rallying behind me and being sympathetic"
Here's another angle...
It's fair to say a good number of the players who were reading your complaints have been playing the game for considerably longer than you and have invested substantially more time and money into it.
That considered... I'd say it's safe to say they demonstrably have a lot more vested interest in the game's success than someone who just started and is ready to take their toys and go home when a community of complete strangers doesn't rally behind him or react the way he thinks they should.
More to the point... Why do they owe you any sympathy? Why do they owe you any reaction at all?
Being fixed and polished ensures a good future for the game, so that the new person in the community doesn't feel like they are wasting their time playing the game. Why is it a waste of time to play a game that has problems and has a small community? Because SOE has shown that they will completely revamp the game into nothingless if it doesn't perform to their expectations.
... Do you think you're the only one who's aware of this? I hope it's not too damaging to your ego, but nothing you're saying here is exactly a revelation... People have been begging SOE to become more active in developing and supporting the game since they took it over. Some have found SOE's progress to be good enough for them and so they continue playing. Some have found it to be not good enough and have moved on.
That you come to the game now, all these months later, and immediately assume this position of "knowing what's best for the game", expressing dismay that others don't rally behind you about it seems a bit presumptuous and arrogant.
So yes, I was looking for support from the community on my bad experience with the bugs in the game. It shows that I'm not alone in my viewpoints and that the game might have a future. People argue that every game has bugs, but no other game I've tried has bugs so obvious and long lasting that I've tried, and I've played almost every P2P game out there.
Why do you need others to validate your experiences in the game? Not enough confidence in your own judgement to make your own mind up and be satisfied at that?
You seem awfully needy.
Every game has bugs, but it's how the devs approach those bugs and how fast they fix them that show the community that they care. Even WoW has bugs, but they aren't easy to find and when you do find them, the devs fix them up. Quality is just as important as a long list of features. I think Vanguard is a beautiful game and a lot of fun. Hell, I was rooting for the game while it was in development. I couldn't contain my excitement, because that's how good the game sounded on paper. After playing it, the game delivers on what I expected, but the problems the game has stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe it doesn't bother the VG community, but it bothers me.
Ugh... let me know when the sermon's over so I can start reading again...Now please, don't argue my viewpoint on this, because it won't change.
Well then, darn good thing I'm not trying to.
It's called a "debate"; a "disagreement", even.
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm simply disagreeing.
If you want to tell mmorpg.com readers that VG is bugfree and performance is great, and the population is growing and superfriendly, then go right ahead.
I've never said that... and that's not even what this whole thing started off as.
If you're going to give these extended rebuttals, can you at least please stay on topic?
This is about you feeling let down because you started complaining about bugs in VG and other players didn't show their sympathy, and my belief that you're being irrational and perhaps a bit needy. That's *my* opinion.
I've stated my opinion for everyone to see and if they still wish to play the game, then fine, who am I to stop them. I just think it's fair that readers hear as many opinions as people care to give. Especially when the game has such a bad wrap.
Yes, because no one here would have ever known that the game has bugs if you didn't come along to enlighten them.
Some friendly advice.. and I won't get upset if you don't sympathize or agree with it...
Get over yourself.
You love to argue don't you. I already said I don't want to argue. I love to debate, but personal attacks turn debates into arguments. Your post is riddled with them. You're also condensending. But I'm glad Vanguard is so fun that you decided it's more fun to argue on mmorpg.com than to play it.
So since you're shooting yourself in the foot, I rest my case.
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Heh, I was thinking along the same lines.
Also kinda wierd that he seems to have kept looking for reasons to be turned off to it.
"I found bugs... but maybe I could look past them if the players were sympathetic to my aggravation about them..."
Why do players have to be sympathetic to someone's personal feelings toward the game in order for them to play it? Are you looking to meet people so you can group up, hang out and have fun, or are you looking for a support group?
In my time playing it, I found those I talked to to be very friendly and even helpful. I was extended more than one guild invitation once I'd left the starting island. But then again, I didn't attempt to endear myself to the community by complaining about bugs with expectation they'd be sympathetic with my plight. So... might be a connection there.
This is a typical response by VG players. A person criticizes a game, and you criticize the new player. We're both consumers, and their the company. We should be thinking alike on this matter, not fighting. It boggles my mind that people will defend an inferior product when confronted on it.
Different people have different ways of responding to the same situation. You look for sympathy and support and "solidarity" when complaining about bugs. Others probably couldn't care less. And still others, perhaps, are more annoyed by the complaining than they are by the bugs you're complaining about.
People are different with minds and attitudes of their own. You can't categorically place them in neat little boxes when they don't respond the way you'd like them to. If you approach a situation expecting a specific response, plan to be disappointed.
That's life.
I didn't go in the game looking for the bad. Why the hell would I pay to do that? No, I went in the game to play it and have fun. I am a community oriented person, and love to group up, and chat. However, while I'm having fun and chatting I come across some obvious bugs and then I mention them on chat, I shouldn't get slammed for it, people should acknowledge them to the player, so the player isn't thinking he's the only person who notices the game is buggy.
So again, you're placing your own expectations on other people who don't know you from Adam... and then damning them and the game when they don't respond the way you'd like.
Know what I'd have done in your shoes? Ignored those that were slamming me and proceeded to seek out those who weren't being jackasses.
But that's just me.
Why should a person want the community to sympathize with them concerning the current state of the game? Because it shows that the community cares enough about the game to want it to be fixed and polished.
Again.. you're projecting your own expectations on others and then holding them to them. "If they cared about the game more, they'd have responded the way I expected them to, by rallying behind me and being sympathetic"
Here's another angle...
It's fair to say a good number of the players who were reading your complaints have been playing the game for considerably longer than you and have invested substantially more time and money into it.
That considered... I'd say it's safe to say they demonstrably have a lot more vested interest in the game's success than someone who just started and is ready to take their toys and go home when a community of complete strangers doesn't rally behind him or react the way he thinks they should.
More to the point... Why do they owe you any sympathy? Why do they owe you any reaction at all?
Being fixed and polished ensures a good future for the game, so that the new person in the community doesn't feel like they are wasting their time playing the game. Why is it a waste of time to play a game that has problems and has a small community? Because SOE has shown that they will completely revamp the game into nothingless if it doesn't perform to their expectations.
... Do you think you're the only one who's aware of this? I hope it's not too damaging to your ego, but nothing you're saying here is exactly a revelation... People have been begging SOE to become more active in developing and supporting the game since they took it over. Some have found SOE's progress to be good enough for them and so they continue playing. Some have found it to be not good enough and have moved on.
That you come to the game now, all these months later, and immediately assume this position of "knowing what's best for the game", expressing dismay that others don't rally behind you about it seems a bit presumptuous and arrogant.
So yes, I was looking for support from the community on my bad experience with the bugs in the game. It shows that I'm not alone in my viewpoints and that the game might have a future. People argue that every game has bugs, but no other game I've tried has bugs so obvious and long lasting that I've tried, and I've played almost every P2P game out there.
Why do you need others to validate your experiences in the game? Not enough confidence in your own judgement to make your own mind up and be satisfied at that?
You seem awfully needy.
Every game has bugs, but it's how the devs approach those bugs and how fast they fix them that show the community that they care. Even WoW has bugs, but they aren't easy to find and when you do find them, the devs fix them up. Quality is just as important as a long list of features. I think Vanguard is a beautiful game and a lot of fun. Hell, I was rooting for the game while it was in development. I couldn't contain my excitement, because that's how good the game sounded on paper. After playing it, the game delivers on what I expected, but the problems the game has stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe it doesn't bother the VG community, but it bothers me.
Ugh... let me know when the sermon's over so I can start reading again...Now please, don't argue my viewpoint on this, because it won't change.
Well then, darn good thing I'm not trying to.
It's called a "debate"; a "disagreement", even.
I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm simply disagreeing.
If you want to tell mmorpg.com readers that VG is bugfree and performance is great, and the population is growing and superfriendly, then go right ahead.
I've never said that... and that's not even what this whole thing started off as.
If you're going to give these extended rebuttals, can you at least please stay on topic?
This is about you feeling let down because you started complaining about bugs in VG and other players didn't show their sympathy, and my belief that you're being irrational and perhaps a bit needy. That's *my* opinion.
I've stated my opinion for everyone to see and if they still wish to play the game, then fine, who am I to stop them. I just think it's fair that readers hear as many opinions as people care to give. Especially when the game has such a bad wrap.
Yes, because no one here would have ever known that the game has bugs if you didn't come along to enlighten them.
Some friendly advice.. and I won't get upset if you don't sympathize or agree with it...
Get over yourself.
You love to argue don't you. I already said I don't want to argue. I love to debate, but personal attacks turn debates into arguments. Your post is riddled with them. You're also condensending. But I'm glad Vanguard is so fun that you decided it's more fun to argue on mmorpg.com than to play it.
So since you're shooting yourself in the foot, I rest my case.
Ofcourse you can be a party-pooper (or what you call it) and expect that everyone at the party should agree with you. Or at least sympathise. Because ofcourse the party your at is made for your pleasure and not the host's.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Maybe it's me but sometimes, when ppl reply inside a reply, that's inside another reply, I loose track of who the very last prison is replying too
Most times I don't read them at all........ But one thing I know for sure, is that I like pizza and hot wings.
I'm no fan of pizza or hot wings, but I completely agree with you about the posting. When people start replying to posts within quotes, I simply ignore them. It's hard to follow, looks stupid, and is a clear indication of homosexuality (apparently).
Oh, and it's bad netiquette
fo sho some nice post humpin going on.