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Please MMORPG.com list this as a live game now.
Vesavius
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I am aware that mmorpg.com is a US based website, but to not list a game as live just because it is not live in the US is, I think, bordering on xenophobia.
It's the same as saying we don't count and arnt 'real' players or, indeed, users of this site.
A lot of your users are international, a lot are from the EU.
How about listing this game as live to give it some profile and support, because it does deserve support, and just creating a sticky explaining that the US version is coming soon?
Why a live game, and it is live due to the fact that you can buy and play it, is listed as still in Development is confusing to me.
Please change this?
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You'd like Aion to be in the released section as well perhaps?
Nah, I say keep it like it is. Once a game has been released globally (or to it's maximum intended audience), then move it to live. Moving a game when it's only available to a few countries is far more xenophic.
Putting down a country is far worse than praising another - keep that in mind.
Yes, if it is live, can be bought, and played.
Why not?
In short, if it is a released game, which TCoS is, then yes it should not be in the 'In Development' section.
Does the Released Games column here say 'Released Games in the US territory'? No.
And.. bear what in mind? I didnt say anyhting bad about any country, I said mmorpg.com was bordering on the xenophobic by seeming to think that if it dosent happen in the US it dosent happen at all. Please don't try to preach, especially when you have it wrong.
Yes, if it is live, can be bought, and played.
Why not?
In short, if it is a released game, which TCoS is then yes it should not be in the 'In Development' section.
Does the Released Games column here say 'Released Games in the US territory'? No.
And.. bear what in mind? I didnt say anyhting bad about any country, I said mmorpg.com was bordering on the xenophobic by seeming to think that if it dosent happen in the US it dosent happen at all. Please don't try to preach, especially when you have it wrong.
/sigh
It's not released to the US/UK because it's still being worked on. Localisation it's called, and that is considered development. That's the bottom line right there.
You mention that it's bordering on xenophobia. My comment was trying to encourage you to think (it obviously failed) a bit about this. I shall try and connect the dots a bit more for your benefit.
If (keeping the xenophia comment in mind) this game was promoted to live games, then it would send out a message that could be interpreted as saying that the US/UK wasn't being taken into consideration. If it's kept the existing way, then it's saying that a game isn't considered live when it's potential audience hasn't been reached. I consider this a far more fair approach.
As I'm sure you can see now, I was not attempting to preach at all, and I indeed have nothing wrong.
Yes, if it is live, can be bought, and played.
Why not?
In short, if it is a released game, which TCoS is then yes it should not be in the 'In Development' section.
Does the Released Games column here say 'Released Games in the US territory'? No.
And.. bear what in mind? I didnt say anyhting bad about any country, I said mmorpg.com was bordering on the xenophobic by seeming to think that if it dosent happen in the US it dosent happen at all. Please don't try to preach, especially when you have it wrong.
/sigh
It's not released to the US/UK because it's still being worked on. Localisation it's called, and that is considered development. That's the bottom line right there.
You mention that it's bordering on xenophobia. My comment was trying to encourage you to think (it obviously failed) a bit about this. I shall try and connect the dots a bit more for your benefit.
If (keeping the xenophia comment in mind) this game was promoted to live games, then it would send out a message that could be interpreted as saying that the US/UK wasn't being taken into consideration. If it's kept the existing way, then it's saying that a game isn't considered live when it's potential audience hasn't been reached. I consider this a far more fair approach.
As I'm sure you can see now, I was not attempting to preach at all, and I indeed have nothing wrong.
Why all the /sighs and whatever?
Why are you being so patronising with all the 'encourage you to think (it obviously failed...)' type posting?
I have only tried to talk to you like a reasonable adult.
Why are you not able to talk about something without seeming to take the postion that you are (in your mind apparently) naturally superior to the other?
The reason your post 'didnt make me think' is because I just don't actually happen to think your point is good enough to consider altering my own for. Just because someone sees something differently to you it dosent mean they arnt thinking.
According to your view, a lot of games should never have been listed as live until they released in every region they are currently in, or potentiolly will be. And we both know they did and have. They just happened to release in the US first.
A LOT of games have been localised to other regions after release in the US (WoW, AoC etc) and these games were listed as live while they did so.
A live game is a live game, even if that game isnt live in the US.
This what I mean by bordering on xenophobia.
Oh, and btw, you didnt explain what you meant about me putting a country down?
You're clearly taking this personally and reading thing into my comments that exist only in your mind.
I see no point in continuing this.
Happy New Year!
I havent taken it personally, I have only questioned your attitide as shown in your posts, and then gone on to counter your points in a rational and reasoned way.
I will take your lack of answers as you having no valid response. Thats ok, I will allow you a dignified retreat.
Happy New Year!
Game is released, thus it should be live. Nuff said.
Just cuz it's not released in some minor country across a ocean does not change that fact
I've seen some games show as released in the US with later planned releases for the UK and/or Australia. Those games typically show as Live rather than In Development.
I'd vote TCOS should be moved to Live. (and yes, I live in the US and this would not offend me)
Game isn't released and truly accessible to all players who have internet and a computer to run it around the world. Every other game that shares the released status on this site is or was when its client was available. Having some "jump through hoops method" of getting the client in my opinion (which will not be swayed) does not count as accessible.
This game is only available in 3-4 countries. In all truth if anyone in those countries was following the game they would have the client and be playing by now. By word of mouth they would have gotten others and any local marketing TCOS folks were doing should be in place. Anyone coming to this site from those countries and following the game would know it's live. Putting it at a released status would only falsely imply that anyone could easily get the client and register and play the game, which isn't true.
No, MMORPG.com is doing the right thing. When they (TCOS folks) want to make this game available so that everyone else in the world (if we want to talk about perceived xenophobia) is good enough to give it a try then it deserves a released status listing. As it is, from what I've read on the acclaim forums, the TCOS folks are more worried about fixing bugs and adding content for their existing client than getting acclaim a version of the client that doesn't have the frogster and mindscape code so that acclaim can move forward. The closed beta for all the regions acclaim has hasn't even started yet because of this and as of, 3 minutes ago, there is still no ETA as to when it will. And it's supposed to launch in Acclaims regions in a month that begins tomorrow?
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
So basicly what you're saying is: "If it aint in the US, it aint released".
I could sign up and play it right now, no problem..... Yet cuz you can't, it's not released?
Sheesh guys.
So basicly what you're saying is: "If it aint in the US, it aint released".
I could sign up and play it right now, no problem..... Yet cuz you can't, it's not released?
Sheesh guys.
hehe yeah, when you strip the rhetoric away from it, thats exactly whats being said.
I would hate to have to go tell the guys that bought a box of this game from a shop in Germany,and are playing it right now, that is wasnt 'live'...
The good people of this site made the decision. You can ask all you want, but I doubt they will listen. This site is and remains oriented towards the North American segment of the market. Others are welcome to visit, but will not change that fact. I cannot see this request as anything else but trolling.
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Delanor
I think everyone in Germany knows that it isn't exactly 'live' right now. It much more closely resembles 'dead'.
Oh for lord's sake...
how is this trolling?
People like you have made that term redundent anyhow by overuse. Every little thing they disagree with is a 'troll'. Please stop being so over sensitive.
I know the site has made a decision, but I am inviting discussion over that decision. I am not posting malicously, in hate, or to offend anyone. I have been rational and reasoned.
If this is a US focused site, as you say, then it should openly declare that so us non US users know that we arnt considered part of their 'real world' and somehow secondary to US users. I personally do not think that is the message MMORPG.COM wants to give though.
I repeat, I am not trolling, merely discussing.
I think everyone in Germany knows that it isn't exactly 'live' right now. It much more closely resembles 'dead'.
Ahh, but it must live to die yes? :P
Oh for lord's sake...
how is this trolling?
People like you have made that term redundent anyhow by overuse. Every little thing they disagree with is a 'troll'. Please stop being so over sensitive.
I know the site has made a decision, but I am inviting discussion over that decision. I am not posting malicously, in hate, or to offend anyone. I have been rational and reasoned.
If this is a US focused site, as you say, then it should openly declare that so us non US users know that we arnt considered part of their 'real world' and somehow secondary to US users. I personally do not think that is the message MMORPG.COM wants to give though.
I repeat, I am not trolling, merely discussing.
Dude, we get it.
US = Evil.
Ha! At least until the rest of the world needs us for something.
Anywho, I just gotta ask... who gives a rat's ass one way or another how the game is listed here? Is it really something worth getting all worked up over? Maybe they should come up with a third category if it's that big of a deal -- "Games sort of released, kind of in development for some places." Yeah, that should fix this burning issue.
No no no.
MMORPG.COM = The Debil (in thick Cajun accent)
So basicly what you're saying is: "If it aint in the US, it aint released".
I could sign up and play it right now, no problem..... Yet cuz you can't, it's not released?
Sheesh guys.
No, I believe I said what I meant. It's you arrogant few who try to twist others words into your little pseudo-funny quips. There are plenty of people outside the US that want to play this game that can't. And yes, it isn't released...for me, lol. Just because YOU can sign up easily or that YOU don't mind jumping through hoops with proxies doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't mind either. It means they (TCOS folks) need to get on the ball about making their game more easily accessible if they want proper billing and more customers.
As for rhetoric, vesavius is the king of the pointless variety from what I've read so far. But hey, that's just my opinion from reading his posts. Never seen someone so full of "if people like you" statements and an "If you don't share my view you're wrong" mentatlity. But, that's my opinion, been holding it for a while, it's said, done, and over with.
And, as I don't particularly care to play this title I'm removing myself from this...discussion (using the word very, very loosely). All the best.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Considering the comatose state of the game, perhaps we need to define "live".
That would be so much fun... I'd argue we need categories like "Struggling" and "Mostly Dead" as well.
That would be so much fun... I'd argue we need categories like "Struggling" and "Mostly Dead" as well.
Well that would easily lump all the SOE games together if they did that......
If mmorpg.com listed games as released based on those criteria, several games like Mabinogi would have to be completely removed from the games list since they are neither released worldwide nor in developement for worldwide release.
I think that a game should be listed as released when there's an English version available. Chinese, Japanese, and Korean games don't really concern most of us and listing them would be quite pointless. This is an English-speaking community with people from all over the world, and once there is an English client available it does concern at least some of us.
But I can understand that this is primarily a website from USA made for those living in USA, and the game list lists only the status of the games in USA.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
This is not a live game yet in the USA - I downloaded the trial client and try to sign in and I could not.. I wrote to them yesterday and I got this back.
Thank you for contacting Acclaim Games.
I gather from your email that you have a login issue with The Chronicles of Spellborn. I would be glad to address your concern.
The game server you are trying to login is from a different distributor. The launch date of The Chronicles of Spellborn from Acclaim is delayed. For more information please visit the link;
http://phpbb.acclaim.com/spellborn/viewtopic.php?t=425
The close beta release date is not decided yet.
Thank you for your patience and kind co-operation.