That Is all I wanted to point out. Balancing a game has two sides to it. Ya wanna make a good game you have to account for both.
That's correct and that's why discussing PvP balance a mere 3 weeks after the start of the PvP in WotLK is nuts.
And even with only 3 weeks Arena stats, we see every class is represented in that absolute top. Some more than others (for various reasons - like palas for instance or DK because everyone wants to have one).
Now just watch how quickly Blizzard reacts with further polishing these interactions (just like they did with the 2.X patches) and it shows moaning about this is childish.
Blizzard can't afford to let a class drop out of the top teams, all this tx to the data of top arena fights.
So I wonder why even discuss the matter when you know on the PTR you already have the changes.
Yeh I just checked the top 300 teams and saw a bee line of DKs and paladins, you guys really are drinking the Kool Aid on this.
If Blizz can't afford to let a class drop out, then what they are doing now is quite confusing. You can't " I love Blizz and wow" the problem away, no matter how much you love and want to be with wow and think wow is the bestest thing since moms apple pie, the pvp is still terribad.
There isn't balance. WoW has admitted in the Warlock Forum that warlocks are not balanced (It might have been the Damage Dealers). I read the blue post where they said they will release the fixes all together. Stop saying they are balanced. Even the devs say they aren't balanced. WoW isnt the only game without balance, but it SURE AS HELL IS NOT THE GAME WITH BALANCE!!!!
It seems to me from reading some of the posts and looking at class numbers that are being posted here it would seem that players are playing a class that they want to gear up first. The classes in question are their 'mains' and generally speaking it's the class that they conisder to be fun for them at the moment. I had a hunter as a main character in the game, but I leveled a DK along with my Paladin right to 80 before my hunter. Another aspect of it is that maybe people decided that they would rather play a plate class instead of a cloth or leather class.
the class balance in wow was never great . i recently returned after the lich king was released and its worse than ever now . i had a rogue of the same level as me attack and kill me in mere seconds . even with superior armour and weaponry that should nt be possible . paladins are virtually invulnerable . deathnights seam to be very overpowered too . i basically realised the game really is nt worth playing as it is if your someone whos into pvp . i proberbly would have stayed longer if blizzard had worked on the pvp side of the game . but wintersgrasp suffers from terrible lag and there does nt seam to be any interest in the battlegrounds at the moment with long waits to get into one . this has led me to the decisiion to go back to warhammer for a while . i ll check in on wow sometime later in the year maybe things will be better by then
Yes this is true, I play hunter they are easy I know but I am lazy. I was playing since Burning Crusade and remeber not having much fun fighting paladins. Rogues I kill very much and they would QQ very much when I shoot flare a very good thing flare. So I would kite paladin and hope he would not wack stun me you know try best to do drains. Now I hope they are dumby and bubble very fast so I can shoot them many times. This does not work often much.
But still better than to fight DK they pull me from the sky and smak sMaCK me down.
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You can find every class in the top Arena teams .... 3 weeks after the PvP launch.
That's a record.
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If the game was really unbalanced you would find some classes missing of the top 50 like I said.
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You find more paladins SIMPLY because they can function as healers AND DPS.
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The most important thing: Arena data serve to balance the classes further and further.
No other MMORPG offers the Arena data given by .... players to ... its developpers.
The others are doing "it" with the wet thumb, at least we have data you yourself mention.
On the PTR already and live within 2 weeks you already have the first extensive 3.08 patch, where the PvP stats are already fine tuned
.... All this in a mere 3 weeks after PvP launch.
And STILL all classes can be find in top arena teams in the meantime.
So you are upping this and I will continue to attack your attitude. Because not one developper can beat the arena data.
Arena data serves to balance PvP, not PvE.
That Is all I wanted to point out. Balancing a game has two sides to it. Ya wanna make a good game you have to account for both.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
That's correct and that's why discussing PvP balance a mere 3 weeks after the start of the PvP in WotLK is nuts.
And even with only 3 weeks Arena stats, we see every class is represented in that absolute top. Some more than others (for various reasons - like palas for instance or DK because everyone wants to have one).
Now just watch how quickly Blizzard reacts with further polishing these interactions (just like they did with the 2.X patches) and it shows moaning about this is childish.
Blizzard can't afford to let a class drop out of the top teams, all this tx to the data of top arena fights.
So I wonder why even discuss the matter when you know on the PTR you already have the changes.
Yeh I just checked the top 300 teams and saw a bee line of DKs and paladins, you guys really are drinking the Kool Aid on this.
If Blizz can't afford to let a class drop out, then what they are doing now is quite confusing. You can't " I love Blizz and wow" the problem away, no matter how much you love and want to be with wow and think wow is the bestest thing since moms apple pie, the pvp is still terribad.
There isn't balance. WoW has admitted in the Warlock Forum that warlocks are not balanced (It might have been the Damage Dealers). I read the blue post where they said they will release the fixes all together. Stop saying they are balanced. Even the devs say they aren't balanced. WoW isnt the only game without balance, but it SURE AS HELL IS NOT THE GAME WITH BALANCE!!!!
OMFG a Blue post really? Recently? Surely sir you jest.
It seems to me from reading some of the posts and looking at class numbers that are being posted here it would seem that players are playing a class that they want to gear up first. The classes in question are their 'mains' and generally speaking it's the class that they conisder to be fun for them at the moment. I had a hunter as a main character in the game, but I leveled a DK along with my Paladin right to 80 before my hunter. Another aspect of it is that maybe people decided that they would rather play a plate class instead of a cloth or leather class.
Balance??? LOL...pointing at warlock class, real joke!
the class balance in wow was never great . i recently returned after the lich king was released and its worse than ever now . i had a rogue of the same level as me attack and kill me in mere seconds . even with superior armour and weaponry that should nt be possible . paladins are virtually invulnerable . deathnights seam to be very overpowered too . i basically realised the game really is nt worth playing as it is if your someone whos into pvp . i proberbly would have stayed longer if blizzard had worked on the pvp side of the game . but wintersgrasp suffers from terrible lag and there does nt seam to be any interest in the battlegrounds at the moment with long waits to get into one . this has led me to the decisiion to go back to warhammer for a while . i ll check in on wow sometime later in the year maybe things will be better by then
Yes this is true, I play hunter they are easy I know but I am lazy. I was playing since Burning Crusade and remeber not having much fun fighting paladins. Rogues I kill very much and they would QQ very much when I shoot flare a very good thing flare. So I would kite paladin and hope he would not wack stun me you know try best to do drains. Now I hope they are dumby and bubble very fast so I can shoot them many times. This does not work often much.
But still better than to fight DK they pull me from the sky and smak sMaCK me down.