LoTRO is a mediocre game at best....With it winning an award like this it speaks volumes as to where the genre is at now....It also shows that it is ripe for change and that change is badly needed (and dont say Darkfall)........2008 was not a very good year for MMOs and its up to us to quit putting up with games like AoC and WAR and demanding better games......It seems the interest is there as far as customers go (over a million beta apps in both AoC and WAR) but the companies are not deliviring...... LoTRO has some unique things but overall did not do enough to seperate itself from WoW.......It feels too much like WOW in the gameplay and the feel of the game.
Let's see ... LOTRO is the closest to WO in gameplay & feel, and not only it is the GOTY, it is a pretty good commercial success (although no where close to WOW).
Other games like Tabula Rasa, AOC & WAR flopped.
Who says WOW clones cannot be successful? It looks like the best thing next to wow is a wow clone (LOTRO).
All these other games fail because they are not WOW enough .. particularly in the solo-friendly polish dept.
So does that means that developers should do MORE wow clones than less?
well, the western mmo with the second largest amount of subs is eve. so um, no. less wow clones would be the way to go.
plus, wow continues to just copy off other games (what do you expect from kaplan and pardo though, really? ... and wow became so large because of a 10 year fanbase on blizznet (starcraft, diablo2, warcraft). heck folks were playing the original diablo online for quite a while before UO was released.
blizzard north no longer exists. this explains the lack of innovation and coolness with "blizzard" products for quite some time now.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
People are crying that LOTRO won best game saying it's simply a WOW clone. So did these same people decry EQ1's loosing best game to WOW since it's essentially an EQ1 clone?
Of course not...so why cry now...seriously what's all the fuss about? Now It's LOTRO's time to shine so be grown up about it at least..
LoTRO is a mediocre game at best....With it winning an award like this it speaks volumes as to where the genre is at now....It also shows that it is ripe for change and that change is badly needed (and dont say Darkfall)........2008 was not a very good year for MMOs and its up to us to quit putting up with games like AoC and WAR and demanding better games......It seems the interest is there as far as customers go (over a million beta apps in both AoC and WAR) but the companies are not deliviring...... LoTRO has some unique things but overall did not do enough to seperate itself from WoW.......It feels too much like WOW in the gameplay and the feel of the game.
Let's see ... LOTRO is the closest to WO in gameplay & feel, and not only it is the GOTY, it is a pretty good commercial success (although no where close to WOW).
Other games like Tabula Rasa, AOC & WAR flopped.
Who says WOW clones cannot be successful? It looks like the best thing next to wow is a wow clone (LOTRO).
All these other games fail because they are not WOW enough .. particularly in the solo-friendly polish dept.
So does that means that developers should do MORE wow clones than less?
well, the western mmo with the second largest amount of subs is eve. so um, no. less wow clones would be the way to go.
plus, wow continues to just copy off other games (what do you expect from kaplan and pardo though, really? ... and wow became so large because of a 10 year fanbase on blizznet (starcraft, diablo2, warcraft). heck folks were playing the original diablo online for quite a while before UO was released.
blizzard north no longer exists. this explains the lack of innovation and coolness with "blizzard" products for quite some time now.
Any actual proof to back up the statement that EvE is the second largest Western MMO?
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market?
Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com.
Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll!
So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like:
EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!
We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement.
<p>It always confuses me when people say that Lotro has nothing to offer. With Lotro you get a loud, loud bang for your buck. Turbine is a great company that turns out really great content that is POLISHED and they actually care about the customer. You can compare Lotro to WoW, certainly, but it does many things better than WoW, in my humble opinion. The presentation of story in Lotro is (I think) the best in any current MMO and I for one like the group mechanics.</p> <p> </p> <p>The community in Lotro is mature, helpful, and just plain not ridiculous. People are willing to help, there's lots of roleplaying going on, it's overall just a very social community. </p> <p> </p> <p>To be honest I don't know how MMORPG.COM could pick any game OTHER than Lotro for best game this year. </p>
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Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):
LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years, the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying"
Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen): LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years, the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying"
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen): LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years, the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying"
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
Who physically buys boxed expansions anymore? Why bother driving to a store when there's a "CLICK HERE TO UPGRADE TO MINES OF MORIA" button?
Heck, LoTRO did something cool and we could pre-download the Expansion for weeks before the launch date. On the release day, all we had to do was put in the code and we were in the newly expanded world in a few seconds.
I suppose people without credit or debit cards would have to drive to the store in the dead of Winter and pay cash for the game. But, the rest of us adults never would LOL!
I suppose people without credit or debit cards would have to drive to the store in the dead of Winter and pay cash for the game. But, the rest of us adults never would LOL!
oooooh...you have a credit/debit card, yes indeed, you are certainly an adult, no doubt about it.
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I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market? Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com. Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll! So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like: EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!
This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo. This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have. We are all looking for something new deep down.
That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else. You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on.
Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet. Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean. Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days. Think about it.
Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen): LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years, the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying"
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
A very large percentage of the individuals that bought Mines of Moria did so via Digital Download weeks before release. There was every incentive to do so except for those that wanted the Collector's Edition. Most people I know did not bother with the Complete Edition (box sales) since purchasing the Digital copy was both cheaper and more convenient (expansion installed and ready well before release).
Face it, for PC Games box sales are growing less and less relevant. Game Stops in my area barely even have a section dedicated to PC Games. And Steam is providing more and more games to their catalog as well as other digital download sites. Until NPD starts tracking digital copies more efficiently PC games will seem unrepresented. However these companies continue to make money and more are adopting digital sales so someone must have caught on that this business model is working.
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Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen): LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years, the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying"
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
A very large percentage of the individuals that bought Mines of Moria did so via Digital Download weeks before release. There was every incentive to do so except for those that wanted the Collector's Edition. Most people I know did not bother with the Complete Edition (box sales) since purchasing the Digital copy was both cheaper and more convenient (expansion installed and ready well before release).
Face it, for PC Games box sales are growing less and less relevant. Game Stops in my area barely even have a section dedicated to PC Games. And Steam is providing more and more games to their catalog as well as other digital download sites. Until NPD starts tracking digital copies more efficiently PC games will seem unrepresented. However these companies continue to make money and more are adopting digital sales so someone must have caught on that this business model is working.
Also digital download is like what? Almost 100% if not 100% profit for the game manufacturer? More and more companies will go with digital downloads in order to easily increase profit margins.
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When you think of the huge number of WoW subscribers over LotR they could have easily won by voting for their game. I think it is a testament to the majority of WoW players that they look at their game realistically and only vote for it when they think it deserves it.
I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market? Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com. Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll! So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like: EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!
This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo. This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have. We are all looking for something new deep down.
That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else. You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on.
Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet. Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean. Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days. Think about it.
Dang, and I thought i was just coming here for the info/entertainment value.
Those decrying LOTRO's success and the validity of the voting still haven't given a sensible argument why it shouldn't have won..
If you feel another title should of been selected you're certainly allowed to voice you're opinion. However to discount the votes as if this site has a soft spot for LOTRO is disingenous at best.
Number of subscribers isn't a shoe in for wining "best MMO" every year and if you think logically it makes sense.. If that was the case WOW would win every year from now until doomsday.
Now if that were to happen my friends this site's credibility would really be in question..
I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market? Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com. Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll! So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like: EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!
This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo. This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have. We are all looking for something new deep down.
That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else. You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on.
Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet. Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean. Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days. Think about it.
I explained it already.
600 guys voted on LOTRO. 600 on a world wide website. No need to create "thousands of accounts".
My local football team has more votes when it organizes a poll on the world wide web.
And guess what: the poll wasn't even alfabetical. Strange they couldn't even put in the list in alfabetic order
This means this site represents NOTHING in numbers compared to MMORPG players.
As I am typing here /// 185 users logged in - on line. WOW.
So the vote result is only another nail in the credibility coffin of mmorpg.com. As if we didn't know this already.
Nothing more nothing less. Grtz to the editors for making the page views on this website a LOT cheaper to publicity people. Because if 600 guys voting for one game makes a win ..., the site isn't visited by even a small amount of mmorpg players .
For those still doubting the 11.500.000 paying players for Wow: www.vivendi.com to see all the audited financial results and documentation of a controlled officaly stock rated company.
600 guys voted for LotrO, grtz,. It won also best developper and best expansion (while everywhere else got beaten up by Wotlk in reviews and sales). Odd isn't it.
I hope the 2009/2010 releases take a good look on LOTRO and copy it, so we have a copy of the copy of the copy without flying, underwater, Siege systems and liniair non faction RPG's.
Obviously Zorndorf has never taken any statistics classes or research psychology classes either. Otherwise he would learn about sampling and that a small random sampling is all that is necessary to get fairly accurate results. 600 voters (which wasn't the total amount of votes just the amount that voted for LOTRO) out of the what 20-30 million total MMO players in the world would actually be considered an ample supply for this type of data. Heck when they call to get the "polls" for presidential elections they generally interview around 1,000 people out of the 150+ million Americans of voting age.
So in fact this contest can be considered a accurate result.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Obviously Zorndorf has never taken any statistics classes or research psychology classes either. Otherwise he would learn about sampling and that a small random sampling is all that is necessary to get fairly accurate results. 600 voters (which wasn't the total amount of votes just the amount that voted for LOTRO) out of the what 20-30 million total MMO players in the world would actually be considered an ample supply for this type of data. Heck when they call to get the "polls" for presidential elections they generally interview around 1,000 people out of the 150+ million Americans of voting age. So in fact this contest can be considered a accurate result.
I don't think MMORPG.com is an accurate representative sample. Blizzard utterly ignores the rest of the MMORPG community and most WoW players don't even know this site exists. Thus, the only WoW'ers you tend to see here are either rabid fanboys who seek to infect you with their disease, and people who have quit but are still interested in following WoW and the larger community.
Other publishers realize that bored WoW'ers and more traditional MMO gamers frequent this site and thus do their best to use it as a recruitment tool. LOTRO and EvE both encourage their users to vote in MMORPG.com polls and have for years.
Thus, for an MMORPG.com poll the sample size is going to be heavily skewed toward those games whose developers choose to promote the poll to their own communities. Hence, it is not a 'true' random sample.
Either way, I think think we should just let this thread die since the WoW fanatics will never accept the poll result as valid under any circumstance, nobody cares enough to take the opposite fanatical position, and reasoning with fanatics is a waste of time since they won't listen no matter what you say.
Obviously Zorndorf has never taken any statistics classes or research psychology classes either. Otherwise he would learn about sampling and that a small random sampling is all that is necessary to get fairly accurate results. 600 voters (which wasn't the total amount of votes just the amount that voted for LOTRO) out of the what 20-30 million total MMO players in the world would actually be considered an ample supply for this type of data. Heck when they call to get the "polls" for presidential elections they generally interview around 1,000 people out of the 150+ million Americans of voting age. So in fact this contest can be considered a accurate result.
Wrong. Apparently you also do not have any statistical class either.
The sample needs to be UNBIASED and truly RANDOM for what you said to be true. A site like MMORPG has a SIGNIFICANT self-selection bias. That is why formal political polls are always done by phone with correct samplling procedures instead of posting some survey on political blogs.
In fact, the poll is at odds with the sales number of LOTRO. If the general population really think, on average, that LOTRO is superior, it is a bit hard to explain why the sales of an inferior product (WOW) is outselling LOTRO by a factor of more than 10, unless you make the strange assumption of people would like to choose an inferior product given the same price (both games are $40).
Obviously Zorndorf has never taken any statistics classes or research psychology classes either. Otherwise he would learn about sampling and that a small random sampling is all that is necessary to get fairly accurate results. 600 voters (which wasn't the total amount of votes just the amount that voted for LOTRO) out of the what 20-30 million total MMO players in the world would actually be considered an ample supply for this type of data. Heck when they call to get the "polls" for presidential elections they generally interview around 1,000 people out of the 150+ million Americans of voting age. So in fact this contest can be considered a accurate result.
Wrong. Apparently you also do not have any statistical class either.
The sample needs to be UNBIASED and truly RANDOM for what you said to be true. A site like MMORPG has a SIGNIFICANT self-selection bias. That is why formal political polls are always done by phone with correct samplling procedures instead of posting some survey on political blogs.
In fact, the poll is at odds with the sales number of LOTRO. If the general population really think, on average, that LOTRO is superior, it is a bit hard to explain why the sales of an inferior product (WOW) is outselling LOTRO by a factor of more than 10, unless you make the strange assumption of people would like to choose an inferior product given the same price (both games are $40).
Sales do not denote quality. That is proven time and time again. If quality of the product was the sole factor when people choose then sure sales might be a factor. But instead you have advertising as the driving force behind sales. Blizzard and World of Warcraft have the single largest advertising campaign of any MMO in history. They are simply everywhere. So that completely negates sales figures as an accurate representation.
The sample is about as unbiased and truly random that you could possibly get for your target audience. Taking a World wide survey would be idiotic since most of the World doesn't play MMOs so why would you care about their opinion of what MMO is best? That would be similar to polling Europe for who would be the best US President. It is frivilous uneeded data with no actual bearing. (AS shown in 2004 when Bush was reelected even when he was pretty much already hated in Europe and would of gotten crushed in Europe by John Kerry). Instead you want a random sample from MMO players. Similar to polling Americans who can vote or polling 18-49 on what Television shows they watch. Would you go and poll at a nursing home for that Data? Of course not.
Obviously this forum isn't completely devoid of World of Warcraft fans nor is it devoid of any Blizzard advertising (they have had WoW ads in the past). The WoW forum has twice as many posts as the LOTRO forum does.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
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Let's see ... LOTRO is the closest to WO in gameplay & feel, and not only it is the GOTY, it is a pretty good commercial success (although no where close to WOW).
Other games like Tabula Rasa, AOC & WAR flopped.
Who says WOW clones cannot be successful? It looks like the best thing next to wow is a wow clone (LOTRO).
All these other games fail because they are not WOW enough .. particularly in the solo-friendly polish dept.
So does that means that developers should do MORE wow clones than less?
well, the western mmo with the second largest amount of subs is eve. so um, no. less wow clones would be the way to go.
plus, wow continues to just copy off other games (what do you expect from kaplan and pardo though, really? ... and wow became so large because of a 10 year fanbase on blizznet (starcraft, diablo2, warcraft). heck folks were playing the original diablo online for quite a while before UO was released.
blizzard north no longer exists. this explains the lack of innovation and coolness with "blizzard" products for quite some time now.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
never thought that LOTR will win the MMORPG survey. i have doubts abou LOTR winning it.
So let me get this straight..
People are crying that LOTRO won best game saying it's simply a WOW clone. So did these same people decry EQ1's loosing best game to WOW since it's essentially an EQ1 clone?
Of course not...so why cry now...seriously what's all the fuss about? Now It's LOTRO's time to shine so be grown up about it at least..
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Let's see ... LOTRO is the closest to WO in gameplay & feel, and not only it is the GOTY, it is a pretty good commercial success (although no where close to WOW).
Other games like Tabula Rasa, AOC & WAR flopped.
Who says WOW clones cannot be successful? It looks like the best thing next to wow is a wow clone (LOTRO).
All these other games fail because they are not WOW enough .. particularly in the solo-friendly polish dept.
So does that means that developers should do MORE wow clones than less?
well, the western mmo with the second largest amount of subs is eve. so um, no. less wow clones would be the way to go.
plus, wow continues to just copy off other games (what do you expect from kaplan and pardo though, really? ... and wow became so large because of a 10 year fanbase on blizznet (starcraft, diablo2, warcraft). heck folks were playing the original diablo online for quite a while before UO was released.
blizzard north no longer exists. this explains the lack of innovation and coolness with "blizzard" products for quite some time now.
Any actual proof to back up the statement that EvE is the second largest Western MMO?
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I am still somewhat surprised that not even 0.005 % of WoWs followers where able to hit the right button in this poll. Maybe not all of it's gamers do think it is the best game on the market?
Or maybe..just maybe...Turbine' s employers made up thousands of thousand fake accounts to push their game on this webside, that is so uninteresting and full of shit to people like zorndorf , that you have to wonder what attracts them / him to mmorpg.com.
Well, or -if we follow the logical thoughts presented within this thread- the 11 million people playing WoW is a biiiig fake made up by Blizzard. Think about it! Out of the supposed 11000000 weren't even 600 people that were able to press the right button in this poll!
So great and wise ZORNDORF, he who says that every poll that has not the result he likes must be screwed and the result bought, he who brings anger and rage with him, he who knows da best what games other people have to like:
EXPLAIN THIS TO US STUPID UNWORTHY PEOPLE, playing lotro, playing WoW, playing any game WE like without having problems that other people may have another taste in gaming!
We aren't going to be allowing RMT in any way, shape or form on the non-exchange enabled EQ II servers. Period. End of statement.
John Smedley
President, Sony Online Entertainment
<p>It always confuses me when people say that Lotro has nothing to offer. With Lotro you get a loud, loud bang for your buck. Turbine is a great company that turns out really great content that is POLISHED and they actually care about the customer. You can compare Lotro to WoW, certainly, but it does many things better than WoW, in my humble opinion. The presentation of story in Lotro is (I think) the best in any current MMO and I for one like the group mechanics.</p>
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<p>The community in Lotro is mature, helpful, and just plain not ridiculous. People are willing to help, there's lots of roleplaying going on, it's overall just a very social community. </p>
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<p>To be honest I don't know how MMORPG.COM could pick any game OTHER than Lotro for best game this year. </p>
Man is born, man lives, man dies, and its all vanity.
Kinda Funny that the orginal poster never posted back kinda sums up that his thread argument was stupid
Lest we forget, and unless I am misinformed (it's been known to happen):
LotRO is the first P2P MMO released post-WOW to actually successfully release a boxed, paid expansion (even though distribution in EU left alot to be desired, but that's another story), and this after maintaining a healthy and large enough playerbase in both the US and EU-regions during it's first critical 1,5 years, the time when so many people were "leaving" and the game was "dying"
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
Who physically buys boxed expansions anymore? Why bother driving to a store when there's a "CLICK HERE TO UPGRADE TO MINES OF MORIA" button?
Heck, LoTRO did something cool and we could pre-download the Expansion for weeks before the launch date. On the release day, all we had to do was put in the code and we were in the newly expanded world in a few seconds.
I suppose people without credit or debit cards would have to drive to the store in the dead of Winter and pay cash for the game. But, the rest of us adults never would LOL!
oooooh...you have a credit/debit card, yes indeed, you are certainly an adult, no doubt about it.
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This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo. This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have. We are all looking for something new deep down.
That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else. You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on.
Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet. Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean. Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days. Think about it.
No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
A very large percentage of the individuals that bought Mines of Moria did so via Digital Download weeks before release. There was every incentive to do so except for those that wanted the Collector's Edition. Most people I know did not bother with the Complete Edition (box sales) since purchasing the Digital copy was both cheaper and more convenient (expansion installed and ready well before release).
Face it, for PC Games box sales are growing less and less relevant. Game Stops in my area barely even have a section dedicated to PC Games. And Steam is providing more and more games to their catalog as well as other digital download sites. Until NPD starts tracking digital copies more efficiently PC games will seem unrepresented. However these companies continue to make money and more are adopting digital sales so someone must have caught on that this business model is working.
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No offense mate, but if you mean successful in reference to actually putting the boxes on the shelves you are correct. Otherwise, the expansion saw terrible sales... just check the NPD charts, didn't even make the TOP 50. Hell, EQ2's expansion even made it.
A very large percentage of the individuals that bought Mines of Moria did so via Digital Download weeks before release. There was every incentive to do so except for those that wanted the Collector's Edition. Most people I know did not bother with the Complete Edition (box sales) since purchasing the Digital copy was both cheaper and more convenient (expansion installed and ready well before release).
Face it, for PC Games box sales are growing less and less relevant. Game Stops in my area barely even have a section dedicated to PC Games. And Steam is providing more and more games to their catalog as well as other digital download sites. Until NPD starts tracking digital copies more efficiently PC games will seem unrepresented. However these companies continue to make money and more are adopting digital sales so someone must have caught on that this business model is working.
Also digital download is like what? Almost 100% if not 100% profit for the game manufacturer? More and more companies will go with digital downloads in order to easily increase profit margins.
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When you think of the huge number of WoW subscribers over LotR they could have easily won by voting for their game. I think it is a testament to the majority of WoW players that they look at their game realistically and only vote for it when they think it deserves it.
This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo. This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have. We are all looking for something new deep down.
That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else. You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on.
Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet. Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean. Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days. Think about it.
Dang, and I thought i was just coming here for the info/entertainment value.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
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Those decrying LOTRO's success and the validity of the voting still haven't given a sensible argument why it shouldn't have won..
If you feel another title should of been selected you're certainly allowed to voice you're opinion. However to discount the votes as if this site has a soft spot for LOTRO is disingenous at best.
Number of subscribers isn't a shoe in for wining "best MMO" every year and if you think logically it makes sense.. If that was the case WOW would win every year from now until doomsday.
Now if that were to happen my friends this site's credibility would really be in question..
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There once was a contest with a tester. The tester had to choose the "best meal of the month". Before him were three plates.
The first plate had a crap and lemon sandwich.
The second plate a a three-day bowl of cold oatmeal.
The third plate was a plain bologna sandwich (we're talking generic bologna here, not name brand).
The tester's requirements were to take a bite out of each and jot down the score on a pad of paper.
The bologna sandwich won. Technically, it was the "best" meal of the month for that contest.
Yes, I can see Lotro winning best game.
maybe only god knows, only themselves know
because it is the best overall mmo out there
This site is geared towards people looking for a new mmo. This site doesn't really attract people that are happy with what they have. We are all looking for something new deep down.
That being said, this sites polls and rating read more like which game has more players here that are looking to leave their current game than it does anything else. You are not going to see tons of satisfied players lurking around here when there are so many other sites to read and post on.
Overall the polls and ratings here are mainly voted on by people that are burned out of one game or another and looking for a game that doesn't exist yet. Just look at the player ratings here for an example of what I mean. Tabula Rasa for example is rated 8.12 (higher than wow) and it is closing its doors in a few days. Think about it.
I explained it already.
600 guys voted on LOTRO. 600 on a world wide website. No need to create "thousands of accounts".
My local football team has more votes when it organizes a poll on the world wide web.
And guess what: the poll wasn't even alfabetical. Strange they couldn't even put in the list in alfabetic order
This means this site represents NOTHING in numbers compared to MMORPG players.
As I am typing here /// 185 users logged in - on line. WOW.
So the vote result is only another nail in the credibility coffin of mmorpg.com. As if we didn't know this already.
Nothing more nothing less. Grtz to the editors for making the page views on this website a LOT cheaper to publicity people. Because if 600 guys voting for one game makes a win ..., the site isn't visited by even a small amount of mmorpg players .
For those still doubting the 11.500.000 paying players for Wow: www.vivendi.com to see all the audited financial results and documentation of a controlled officaly stock rated company.
600 guys voted for LotrO, grtz,. It won also best developper and best expansion (while everywhere else got beaten up by Wotlk in reviews and sales). Odd isn't it.
I hope the 2009/2010 releases take a good look on LOTRO and copy it, so we have a copy of the copy of the copy without flying, underwater, Siege systems and liniair non faction RPG's.
Obviously Zorndorf has never taken any statistics classes or research psychology classes either. Otherwise he would learn about sampling and that a small random sampling is all that is necessary to get fairly accurate results. 600 voters (which wasn't the total amount of votes just the amount that voted for LOTRO) out of the what 20-30 million total MMO players in the world would actually be considered an ample supply for this type of data. Heck when they call to get the "polls" for presidential elections they generally interview around 1,000 people out of the 150+ million Americans of voting age.
So in fact this contest can be considered a accurate result.
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I don't think MMORPG.com is an accurate representative sample. Blizzard utterly ignores the rest of the MMORPG community and most WoW players don't even know this site exists. Thus, the only WoW'ers you tend to see here are either rabid fanboys who seek to infect you with their disease, and people who have quit but are still interested in following WoW and the larger community.
Other publishers realize that bored WoW'ers and more traditional MMO gamers frequent this site and thus do their best to use it as a recruitment tool. LOTRO and EvE both encourage their users to vote in MMORPG.com polls and have for years.
Thus, for an MMORPG.com poll the sample size is going to be heavily skewed toward those games whose developers choose to promote the poll to their own communities. Hence, it is not a 'true' random sample.
Either way, I think think we should just let this thread die since the WoW fanatics will never accept the poll result as valid under any circumstance, nobody cares enough to take the opposite fanatical position, and reasoning with fanatics is a waste of time since they won't listen no matter what you say.
Wrong. Apparently you also do not have any statistical class either.
The sample needs to be UNBIASED and truly RANDOM for what you said to be true. A site like MMORPG has a SIGNIFICANT self-selection bias. That is why formal political polls are always done by phone with correct samplling procedures instead of posting some survey on political blogs.
In fact, the poll is at odds with the sales number of LOTRO. If the general population really think, on average, that LOTRO is superior, it is a bit hard to explain why the sales of an inferior product (WOW) is outselling LOTRO by a factor of more than 10, unless you make the strange assumption of people would like to choose an inferior product given the same price (both games are $40).
Wrong. Apparently you also do not have any statistical class either.
The sample needs to be UNBIASED and truly RANDOM for what you said to be true. A site like MMORPG has a SIGNIFICANT self-selection bias. That is why formal political polls are always done by phone with correct samplling procedures instead of posting some survey on political blogs.
In fact, the poll is at odds with the sales number of LOTRO. If the general population really think, on average, that LOTRO is superior, it is a bit hard to explain why the sales of an inferior product (WOW) is outselling LOTRO by a factor of more than 10, unless you make the strange assumption of people would like to choose an inferior product given the same price (both games are $40).
Sales do not denote quality. That is proven time and time again. If quality of the product was the sole factor when people choose then sure sales might be a factor. But instead you have advertising as the driving force behind sales. Blizzard and World of Warcraft have the single largest advertising campaign of any MMO in history. They are simply everywhere. So that completely negates sales figures as an accurate representation.
The sample is about as unbiased and truly random that you could possibly get for your target audience. Taking a World wide survey would be idiotic since most of the World doesn't play MMOs so why would you care about their opinion of what MMO is best? That would be similar to polling Europe for who would be the best US President. It is frivilous uneeded data with no actual bearing. (AS shown in 2004 when Bush was reelected even when he was pretty much already hated in Europe and would of gotten crushed in Europe by John Kerry). Instead you want a random sample from MMO players. Similar to polling Americans who can vote or polling 18-49 on what Television shows they watch. Would you go and poll at a nursing home for that Data? Of course not.
Obviously this forum isn't completely devoid of World of Warcraft fans nor is it devoid of any Blizzard advertising (they have had WoW ads in the past). The WoW forum has twice as many posts as the LOTRO forum does.
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Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
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