All I have to say is big PvP on Flurry between 10:15 and 11:00am PST, I got 104 kills during that time on my smuggler. Big battles on my new server = win 100+ vs 100+ later on today will be fun. Maybe even bigger.
Can you post up some screenies for me (no not the usual pics or gtfo answer to server pop blah blah).... I'd like to see what guilds are still around and active on Flurry in pvp.
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It's an ongoing thing, the SWG server infrastructure team has some cool people in it and they manage to squeeze every bit of performance out of these rigs.
The publisher's notes say NOTHING about optimizing the number of players allowed, so I don't see where you are getting this information.
What I want to know is how did SOE technically accomplish this? Many of us on here have a good understanding of severs and clustering and would like to know what SOE did...
It would require a great deal of time to actually accomplish that. I simply don't believe that it's true.
Is that why the servers went down last night and have been going down outside of scheduled maintenance periods for months. S
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
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PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Some are even on Very Heavy. You guys gotta think about communication speeds from client. The perfect game is impossible, what you want is 10 years down the road or even 20. Look at AOC the way they got past lagg was instancing the entire game. You would never see more than 20 people in one spot on any server. Thier was location instance A B C D and so forth. Im actually impressed that the game can handle 70 vs 70 battles without killer lagg. FYI SOE servers have the highest speed ratings on the planet in the commercial sector. Check out that fact at speed test web sites. Its true no matter how much you cling to the old crappy SOE outdated server, which is a urban mith.
Is that why the servers went down last night and have been going down outside of scheduled maintenance periods for months. S
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
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PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Some are even on Very Heavy. You guys gotta think about communication speeds from client. The perfect game is impossible, what you want is 10 years down the road or even 20. Look at AOC the way they got past lagg was instancing the entire game. You would never see more than 20 people in one spot on any server. Thier was location instance A B C D and so forth. Im actually impressed that the game can handle 70 vs 70 battles without killer lagg. FYI SOE servers have the highest speed ratings on the planet in the commercial sector. Check out that fact at speed test web sites. Its true no matter how much you cling to the old crappy SOE outdated server, which is a urban mith.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
Originally posted by Gutboy All I have to say is big PvP on Flurry between 10:15 and 11:00am PST, I got 104 kills during that time on my smuggler. Big battles on my new server = win 100+ vs 100+ later on today will be fun. Maybe even bigger.
From what I've read, it was like 15 imps vs 80 rebs, lmao.
That does nothing to fix the packet flood problem of the TOO FAST and packet intensive combat engine. That change amounted to a band-aid on a broken arm. They simply don't want to commit to a real solution because it'd consume their whole rather lackluster Dev team for months to even begin to fix it.
I have a really old PC that I run SWG on, I often get my client lock up because it can't process all the info the server is trying to send in 60+ player battles, but thats my fault for having a rubbish system. I have friends that have top of the line systems and they dont get the problems I do, I really need to invest in a decent PC.
When SWG first launched in June 2003 I was playing it on an AMD Duron 900MHz (not a full Athlon) with 512MB ram and an ATI X700Pro, I rarely lagged unless I was in Moenia because of that stupid fog, I didn't lag in pvp either and they were larger than these days- roughly 90-100+. Now I have an AMD X2 6000+ (3.2GHz) with 4GB ram and an 8800GT, last time I played and pvp was super super laggy with only 15-25 people, it's much worse on my second PC which is an AMD 1.8GHz 2GB ram with about 2 FPS.
Reading around the SWG galaxy forums, there's a lot of people complaining about bad lag in pvp and now wanting to avoid Restuss.
A high server would be 2500-3000 or more. A low population server would be below 1000. But that was the old days. For you guys still playing SWG I hope you are enjoying the semi- merge. Oh and I remember back in open beta that the servers were to be maxed out at 3000- 3500 per server.
Is that why the servers went down last night and have been going down outside of scheduled maintenance periods for months. S
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
S
PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Some are even on Very Heavy. You guys gotta think about communication speeds from client. The perfect game is impossible, what you want is 10 years down the road or even 20. Look at AOC the way they got past lagg was instancing the entire game. You would never see more than 20 people in one spot on any server. Thier was location instance A B C D and so forth. Im actually impressed that the game can handle 70 vs 70 battles without killer lagg. FYI SOE servers have the highest speed ratings on the planet in the commercial sector. Check out that fact at speed test web sites. Its true no matter how much you cling to the old crappy SOE outdated server, which is a urban mith.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
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Since you dont play and follow every little thing in game still, we just had a major transfer of players, Im guessing SOE is over stuffing a few servers which is creating problems. I speed test my connection once in a while, and according to the speed test site SOE has the fastest servers on the market.
What I dont get is why still cry about a game years later? I think you are all way past the letting it go stage. Either get back in game and protest on the forums to get SOE and thier Devs to look at areas you want fixed. Other is let it go and let new players look at it the way it is now, since we all know the old games never coming back. Stop putting down something you have absolutly nothing to do with.
These new Devs are not like the old ones, they do listen to the players, the squeky wheel is getting attention. besides the more players in game makes it possible to fix the game faster, more subs = more money for Devs.
I still can find areas in game that are fun for me, I still craft, pvp,pve, thier are instances that give out new items, collections that give out new items. PvP is in my opinion is much more fun than it was in the past. Sure I miss the old system but ehh it had its problems to. Thing is thier are positives and negatives in game. Besides SWG is still as good as any mmo Ive ever tried, one more positive is SWG has the closest and most active community Ive ever seen in any game.
A high server would be 2500-3000 or more. A low population server would be below 1000. But that was the old days. For you guys still playing SWG I hope you are enjoying the semi- merge. Oh and I remember back in open beta that the servers were to be maxed out at 3000- 3500 per server.
Back before the CU we had massive PvP battles on Intrepid. The hot spot on Intrepid was always between Bestine and Anchorhead and there were literally battles that started Friday evening that lasted all weekend until early Monday morning. The best times I had in SWG (or any other mmorpg) were in those battles.
Too bad the current game doesn't have anything like that.
It's an ongoing thing, the SWG server infrastructure team has some cool people in it and they manage to squeeze every bit of performance out of these rigs.
and so where are the high population centers at these days? i would like to actually find these players
You know we all know you know nothing because you know nothing about the game any more, lol.
Come to StarSider there are people everywhere now and Mos Eiesly or Restuss are packed.
Is that why the servers went down last night and have been going down outside of scheduled maintenance periods for months. S
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
S
PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Some are even on Very Heavy. You guys gotta think about communication speeds from client. The perfect game is impossible, what you want is 10 years down the road or even 20. Look at AOC the way they got past lagg was instancing the entire game. You would never see more than 20 people in one spot on any server. Thier was location instance A B C D and so forth. Im actually impressed that the game can handle 70 vs 70 battles without killer lagg. FYI SOE servers have the highest speed ratings on the planet in the commercial sector. Check out that fact at speed test web sites. Its true no matter how much you cling to the old crappy SOE outdated server, which is a urban mith.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
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Since you dont play and follow every little thing in game still, we just had a major transfer of players, Im guessing SOE is over stuffing a few servers which is creating problems. I speed test my connection once in a while, and according to the speed test site SOE has the fastest servers on the market.
What I dont get is why still cry about a game years later? I think you are all way past the letting it go stage. Either get back in game and protest on the forums to get SOE and thier Devs to look at areas you want fixed. Other is let it go and let new players look at it the way it is now, since we all know the old games never coming back. Stop putting down something you have absolutly nothing to do with.
These new Devs are not like the old ones, they do listen to the players, the squeky wheel is getting attention. besides the more players in game makes it possible to fix the game faster, more subs = more money for Devs.
I still can find areas in game that are fun for me, I still craft, pvp,pve, thier are instances that give out new items, collections that give out new items. PvP is in my opinion is much more fun than it was in the past. Sure I miss the old system but ehh it had its problems to. Thing is thier are positives and negatives in game. Besides SWG is still as good as any mmo Ive ever tried, one more positive is SWG has the closest and most active community Ive ever seen in any game.
I can tell you that the people on the 12 populated servers do not care about the other low/empty servers it only matters what is happening on the server you are on.
Wow...what a community you guys have there...
EVE's Tranquility has about 40K on even on weeknights That's at least 30K more than the NGE across all it's servers.
And I'm one of those 40k people who play EVE on a nightly and weekend basis hell, Ive met plenty of ex-SWG players in EVE and they all say the same thing NGE was the worst thing ever that happened to that game.
Just logged in on a vet-trial and theres actually a lot of people online. About 60-70 people on Mos Eisley (Starport + Cantina and some random people here and there)
Population doesn't seem so bad now and if the game wasn't so mediocre I would even play it!
I can tell you that the population, at least on starsider, has risen a lot compared to what it was with the NGE trainwreck. I don't play full time anymore because of time issues, but when I do play and I hit up restuss for pvp its packed, even when I go to buff in mos eisley @ 2ish AM EST there are entertainers and actual players in town still doing things.
PRE CU sucked. The only thing it had that was "better" then the NGE now is the class layout and how open ended it was. But there was more bugs, less content and honestly, as much as I hated the NGE.. with the addition of the old "locked" target system being put back in (Not having to aim to use weapons/special abilities) the game is a lot more fun to play not having to worry about lagging out and hitting a mob you didn't want to hit.
PVP these days though is really "buff" dependent. You get the buffs from grinding instances, and buying jewerly sets. You also get them from pvp ranks. I don't like how gear dependent the game is now, with you needing heroic sets +35's and what not but at least with no decay I don't have to re-buy attachments for a new suit every month.
All in all, it sucks they took away all the classes but shits easier to balance in pvp now and I don't get the stupid knock down+dizzy bs', or the eyeshot spam, or commando/tkm's knock down and fire wounding me to hell and back... there is a bit too many jedi, but all in all the game is a lot more fun then pre cu was, or old NGE was.
I still like the CU the best, when they still had the class layout the same but changed combat to not use the style queue and added more "eq2" ish style combat. But if I have to choose for no star wars mmo, and the NGE I would choose the NGE. I miss bounty hunter / creature handler but at least I can semi relive him with bm/bh now I guess. Either way, download the trial and go into it with an open mind and see if you like it. Don't hold the way NGE was released against it, and quit whining about the old classes, go in, try it out for a couple days and really make an honest opinion about it. I bet you would be at least a little surprised at how much better its gotten even if you hate not having an open ended template system.
Also, start out on starsider, don't go looking for low pop servers to prove a point. We all know there is servers with little to no population thats why they put in server transfers, but try a full server like Starsider.
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It's an ongoing thing, the SWG server infrastructure team has some cool people in it and they manage to squeeze every bit of performance out of these rigs.
Are you saying that SWG has a whole team dedicated to server infastructure? Team implying more than one person right?
I know you pointed out one patch note where soe found one bug in their code, but that doesn't sound like the efforts of a whole dedicated team to me. Every game has an 'ongoing' effort to increase performance.
Is that why the servers went down last night and have been going down outside of scheduled maintenance periods for months. S
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
S
PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Some are even on Very Heavy. You guys gotta think about communication speeds from client. The perfect game is impossible, what you want is 10 years down the road or even 20. Look at AOC the way they got past lagg was instancing the entire game. You would never see more than 20 people in one spot on any server. Thier was location instance A B C D and so forth. Im actually impressed that the game can handle 70 vs 70 battles without killer lagg. FYI SOE servers have the highest speed ratings on the planet in the commercial sector. Check out that fact at speed test web sites. Its true no matter how much you cling to the old crappy SOE outdated server, which is a urban mith.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
S
Since you dont play and follow every little thing in game still, we just had a major transfer of players, Im guessing SOE is over stuffing a few servers which is creating problems. I speed test my connection once in a while, and according to the speed test site SOE has the fastest servers on the market.
What I dont get is why still cry about a game years later? I think you are all way past the letting it go stage. Either get back in game and protest on the forums to get SOE and thier Devs to look at areas you want fixed. Other is let it go and let new players look at it the way it is now, since we all know the old games never coming back. Stop putting down something you have absolutly nothing to do with.
These new Devs are not like the old ones, they do listen to the players, the squeky wheel is getting attention. besides the more players in game makes it possible to fix the game faster, more subs = more money for Devs.
I still can find areas in game that are fun for me, I still craft, pvp,pve, thier are instances that give out new items, collections that give out new items. PvP is in my opinion is much more fun than it was in the past. Sure I miss the old system but ehh it had its problems to. Thing is thier are positives and negatives in game. Besides SWG is still as good as any mmo Ive ever tried, one more positive is SWG has the closest and most active community Ive ever seen in any game.
I stopped playing 3 weeks ago so I know the game in its current state and its a laggy, buggy testbed for RMT. That's it and that's all. That's why there are no plans for anything more than the free quarterly updates (except for RMT/TCG expansions).
think you are thinking of EQ2, cause I have yet to see the micro transaction system in SWG. If it means something else, explain what it is for me so I can understand what you mean. As for SWG being buggy, SWG has always been "buggy", it's a lot less buggy now then it was pre CU I just don't think you remember what it was like.
NGE isn't for everyone. Thats for sure. I quit, and got a refund for Mustufar expansion because of how they did the whole release. That being said, I came back about a year ago, and have an active sub. It has just as many bugs as any other mmo, as for the lag, there is times when I lag but its rare. I was in a 30ish on 20ish pvp fight in restuss the other night with laser fire, lightsabers and bombs going off all over the place and had 0 lag.
I think you might need to either A) Quit lying, or try a different server that isn't on the other side of the country from you.
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think you are thinking of EQ2, cause I have yet to see the micro transaction system in SWG. If it means something else, explain what it is for me so I can understand what you mean. As for SWG being buggy, SWG has always been "buggy", it's a lot less buggy now then it was pre CU I just don't think you remember what it was like. NGE isn't for everyone. Thats for sure. I quit, and got a refund for Mustufar expansion because of how they did the whole release. That being said, I came back about a year ago, and have an active sub. It has just as many bugs as any other mmo, as for the lag, there is times when I lag but its rare. I was in a 30ish on 20ish pvp fight in restuss the other night with laser fire, lightsabers and bombs going off all over the place and had 0 lag. I think you might need to either A) Quit lying, or try a different server that isn't on the other side of the country from you.
you don't buy items with it, you buy cards for the complete seperate card game, which all SoE games have. Sure you can get "in game" loot cards from buying booster packs, but those items have no real use other then house items/clothing items. You don't get uber sword #1 from it, you don't get gear you have to run instances to get so no, I don't consider that the same as what you two are trying to pass off.
RMT to me, means buying in game items for cash which you can NOT do in TCG. The items you have a rare chance of getting when you buy booster packs have no affect on gameplay, no bearing on someones toon strength. You guys seriously need to find something else to try and whine about, there is enough wrong with SoE that trying to pass off the card game as RMT is a pretty sad attempt at trolling them, and just shows how retarded your anti soe crusades are.
Even if they do add the EQ2 version, and then on top of it add stuff that affects gameplay, what do you care? Are you that insecure about your self worth you gotta worry about how other people got their trinkets? If you are having fun with the game, does it lessen your fun knowing someone else may have ebayed their toon, or got a free house item from playing/buying booster packs in a card game based on star wars?
as for everyone who is bashing SWG with out actually playing it in the last 3 months:
if it does, you guys should really go outside more. You might find there is more to life then you first thought, and you are taking things way to serious for your own good. Just some sound advice.
As for my final post on the subject, SoE has its share of problems and I won't try and say they don't. They lie, and act crooked on a lot of things. The game itself, SWG/EQ2/Vanguard/EQ have bugs, content some don't like, and things other do, but in the end if your whole mission in life is to accuse anyone who does like the game as being a sony employee, or try to act like SoE isn't like every other damn mmo company on the face of the planet you guys are sad.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
you don't buy items with it, you buy cards for the complete seperate card game, which all SoE games have. Sure you can get "in game" loot cards from buying booster packs, but those items have no real use other then house items/clothing items. You don't get uber sword #1 from it, you don't get gear you have to run instances to get so no, I don't consider that the same as what you two are trying to pass off.
RMT to me, means buying in game items for cash which you can NOT do in TCG. The items you have a rare chance of getting when you buy booster packs have no affect on gameplay, no bearing on someones toon strength. You guys seriously need to find something else to try and whine about, there is enough wrong with SoE that trying to pass off the card game as RMT is a pretty sad attempt at trolling them, and just shows how retarded your anti soe crusades are. Even if they do add the EQ2 version, and then on top of it add stuff that affects gameplay, what do you care? Are you that insecure about your self worth you gotta worry about how other people got their trinkets? If you are having fun with the game, does it lessen your fun knowing someone else may have ebayed their toon, or got a free house item from playing/buying booster packs in a card game based on star wars? as for everyone who is bashing SWG with out actually playing it in the last 3 months: if it does, you guys should really go outside more. You might find there is more to life then you first thought, and you are taking things way to serious for your own good. Just some sound advice. As for my final post on the subject, SoE has its share of problems and I won't try and say they don't. They lie, and act crooked on a lot of things. The game itself, SWG/EQ2/Vanguard/EQ have bugs, content some don't like, and things other do, but in the end if your whole mission in life is to accuse anyone who does like the game as being a sony employee, or try to act like SoE isn't like every other damn mmo company on the face of the planet you guys are sad.
If a given person is buying the TCG booster packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the loot items then it IS a micro transaction. It is designed by their marketing department to do just that. Whether you believe it or not is irellevent...it is what it is.
you don't buy items with it, you buy cards for the complete seperate card game, which all SoE games have. Sure you can get "in game" loot cards from buying booster packs, but those items have no real use other then house items/clothing items. You don't get uber sword #1 from it, you don't get gear you have to run instances to get so no, I don't consider that the same as what you two are trying to pass off.
RMT to me, means buying in game items for cash which you can NOT do in TCG. The items you have a rare chance of getting when you buy booster packs have no affect on gameplay, no bearing on someones toon strength. You guys seriously need to find something else to try and whine about, there is enough wrong with SoE that trying to pass off the card game as RMT is a pretty sad attempt at trolling them, and just shows how retarded your anti soe crusades are. Even if they do add the EQ2 version, and then on top of it add stuff that affects gameplay, what do you care? Are you that insecure about your self worth you gotta worry about how other people got their trinkets? If you are having fun with the game, does it lessen your fun knowing someone else may have ebayed their toon, or got a free house item from playing/buying booster packs in a card game based on star wars? as for everyone who is bashing SWG with out actually playing it in the last 3 months: if it does, you guys should really go outside more. You might find there is more to life then you first thought, and you are taking things way to serious for your own good. Just some sound advice. As for my final post on the subject, SoE has its share of problems and I won't try and say they don't. They lie, and act crooked on a lot of things. The game itself, SWG/EQ2/Vanguard/EQ have bugs, content some don't like, and things other do, but in the end if your whole mission in life is to accuse anyone who does like the game as being a sony employee, or try to act like SoE isn't like every other damn mmo company on the face of the planet you guys are sad.
If a given person is buying the TCG booster packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the loot items then it IS a micro transaction. It is designed by their marketing department to do just that. Whether you believe it or not is irellevent...it is what it is.
Ive read that you get one loot card in about 10-15 booster packs if your lucky, I have not bought them so I can't confirm this is true. Boosters cost between 2-3 dollars each. If they want to pay 30-45 dollars for an item with 0 stats, that you can wear, then hey more power to them. Regardless, Saying the TCG is just a front for RMT is hilarious.
I highly doubt that they would go through all the trouble of hiding it in a booster front, in a card game that is almost more popular then the game itself, when they have a working RMT system already built and deployed in EQ2.
Seems to me, that for the very, very, very select few who decide to waste that kinda cash on items that cause no benefit to them, would it not make more sense, to instead offer the same item for 5 dollars like they do now in eq2, and get 10x the amount of people who buy it?
Would you, if you were the "type" of person to buy money/items for real cash and were looking for an RMT game, really bother yourself with a hidden expensive "front" for rmt, and only get items that meant nothing, or one like EQ2 that is up front and has the list of items available for a price?
If your time is worth more then your money, it doesn't bother me if you Jinzu Hilt was dropped or bought, because I find the fun in the game guilding/grouping with like minded people, I could care less how they got it. For me personally, I can't afford to buy items for cash because I would rather spend that money on my kids. But I could care less what some other person who can afford it does with their money, even if I were to have to work for the item they bought.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
you don't buy items with it, you buy cards for the complete seperate card game, which all SoE games have. Sure you can get "in game" loot cards from buying booster packs, but those items have no real use other then house items/clothing items. You don't get uber sword #1 from it, you don't get gear you have to run instances to get so no, I don't consider that the same as what you two are trying to pass off.
RMT to me, means buying in game items for cash which you can NOT do in TCG. The items you have a rare chance of getting when you buy booster packs have no affect on gameplay, no bearing on someones toon strength. You guys seriously need to find something else to try and whine about, there is enough wrong with SoE that trying to pass off the card game as RMT is a pretty sad attempt at trolling them, and just shows how retarded your anti soe crusades are. Even if they do add the EQ2 version, and then on top of it add stuff that affects gameplay, what do you care? Are you that insecure about your self worth you gotta worry about how other people got their trinkets? If you are having fun with the game, does it lessen your fun knowing someone else may have ebayed their toon, or got a free house item from playing/buying booster packs in a card game based on star wars? as for everyone who is bashing SWG with out actually playing it in the last 3 months: if it does, you guys should really go outside more. You might find there is more to life then you first thought, and you are taking things way to serious for your own good. Just some sound advice. As for my final post on the subject, SoE has its share of problems and I won't try and say they don't. They lie, and act crooked on a lot of things. The game itself, SWG/EQ2/Vanguard/EQ have bugs, content some don't like, and things other do, but in the end if your whole mission in life is to accuse anyone who does like the game as being a sony employee, or try to act like SoE isn't like every other damn mmo company on the face of the planet you guys are sad.
If a given person is buying the TCG booster packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the loot items then it IS a micro transaction. It is designed by their marketing department to do just that. Whether you believe it or not is irellevent...it is what it is.
Ive read that you get one loot card in about 10-15 booster packs if your lucky, I have not bought them so I can't confirm this is true. Boosters cost between 2-3 dollars each. If they want to pay 30-45 dollars for an item with 0 stats, that you can wear, then hey more power to them. Regardless, Saying the TCG is just a front for RMT is hilarious.
Why do you think they put the loot items in the packs? They have ZERO function in the TCG. They also do not publish the odds of getting a given loot item in a pack.
Some people just cannot see the forest through the trees.
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All I have to say is big PvP on Flurry between 10:15 and 11:00am PST, I got 104 kills during that time on my smuggler.
Big battles on my new server = win
100+ vs 100+ later on today will be fun. Maybe even bigger.
Can you post up some screenies for me (no not the usual pics or gtfo answer to server pop blah blah).... I'd like to see what guilds are still around and active on Flurry in pvp.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
It's an ongoing thing, the SWG server infrastructure team has some cool people in it and they manage to squeeze every bit of performance out of these rigs.
The publisher's notes say NOTHING about optimizing the number of players allowed, so I don't see where you are getting this information.
What I want to know is how did SOE technically accomplish this? Many of us on here have a good understanding of severs and clustering and would like to know what SOE did...
It would require a great deal of time to actually accomplish that. I simply don't believe that it's true.
Tecmo Bowl.
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
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PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
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PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
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Reading around the SWG galaxy forums, there's a lot of people complaining about bad lag in pvp and now wanting to avoid Restuss.
A high server would be 2500-3000 or more. A low population server would be below 1000. But that was the old days. For you guys still playing SWG I hope you are enjoying the semi- merge.
Oh and I remember back in open beta that the servers were to be maxed out at 3000- 3500 per server.
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
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PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
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What I dont get is why still cry about a game years later? I think you are all way past the letting it go stage. Either get back in game and protest on the forums to get SOE and thier Devs to look at areas you want fixed. Other is let it go and let new players look at it the way it is now, since we all know the old games never coming back. Stop putting down something you have absolutly nothing to do with.
These new Devs are not like the old ones, they do listen to the players, the squeky wheel is getting attention. besides the more players in game makes it possible to fix the game faster, more subs = more money for Devs.
I still can find areas in game that are fun for me, I still craft, pvp,pve, thier are instances that give out new items, collections that give out new items. PvP is in my opinion is much more fun than it was in the past. Sure I miss the old system but ehh it had its problems to. Thing is thier are positives and negatives in game. Besides SWG is still as good as any mmo Ive ever tried, one more positive is SWG has the closest and most active community Ive ever seen in any game.
Back before the CU we had massive PvP battles on Intrepid. The hot spot on Intrepid was always between Bestine and Anchorhead and there were literally battles that started Friday evening that lasted all weekend until early Monday morning. The best times I had in SWG (or any other mmorpg) were in those battles.
Too bad the current game doesn't have anything like that.
It's an ongoing thing, the SWG server infrastructure team has some cool people in it and they manage to squeeze every bit of performance out of these rigs.
and so where are the high population centers at these days? i would like to actually find these players
You know we all know you know nothing because you know nothing about the game any more, lol.
Come to StarSider there are people everywhere now and Mos Eiesly or Restuss are packed.
Please make intelligent statements.
Ajax
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
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PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
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What I dont get is why still cry about a game years later? I think you are all way past the letting it go stage. Either get back in game and protest on the forums to get SOE and thier Devs to look at areas you want fixed. Other is let it go and let new players look at it the way it is now, since we all know the old games never coming back. Stop putting down something you have absolutly nothing to do with.
These new Devs are not like the old ones, they do listen to the players, the squeky wheel is getting attention. besides the more players in game makes it possible to fix the game faster, more subs = more money for Devs.
I still can find areas in game that are fun for me, I still craft, pvp,pve, thier are instances that give out new items, collections that give out new items. PvP is in my opinion is much more fun than it was in the past. Sure I miss the old system but ehh it had its problems to. Thing is thier are positives and negatives in game. Besides SWG is still as good as any mmo Ive ever tried, one more positive is SWG has the closest and most active community Ive ever seen in any game.
QFE
Ajax
Wow...what a community you guys have there...
EVE's Tranquility has about 40K on even on weeknights
That's at least 30K more than the NGE across all it's servers.
And I'm one of those 40k people who play EVE on a nightly and weekend basis
hell, Ive met plenty of ex-SWG players in EVE and they all say the same thing NGE was the worst thing ever that happened to that game.
Just logged in on a vet-trial and theres actually a lot of people online. About 60-70 people on Mos Eisley (Starport + Cantina and some random people here and there)
Population doesn't seem so bad now and if the game wasn't so mediocre I would even play it!
Edit: Forgot to mention the server: EU-Chimaera
You ought to know better than to post something like THIS on MMORPG.com without a screenshot
lol
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
some of you people are pretty sad.
I can tell you that the population, at least on starsider, has risen a lot compared to what it was with the NGE trainwreck. I don't play full time anymore because of time issues, but when I do play and I hit up restuss for pvp its packed, even when I go to buff in mos eisley @ 2ish AM EST there are entertainers and actual players in town still doing things.
PRE CU sucked. The only thing it had that was "better" then the NGE now is the class layout and how open ended it was. But there was more bugs, less content and honestly, as much as I hated the NGE.. with the addition of the old "locked" target system being put back in (Not having to aim to use weapons/special abilities) the game is a lot more fun to play not having to worry about lagging out and hitting a mob you didn't want to hit.
PVP these days though is really "buff" dependent. You get the buffs from grinding instances, and buying jewerly sets. You also get them from pvp ranks. I don't like how gear dependent the game is now, with you needing heroic sets +35's and what not but at least with no decay I don't have to re-buy attachments for a new suit every month.
All in all, it sucks they took away all the classes but shits easier to balance in pvp now and I don't get the stupid knock down+dizzy bs', or the eyeshot spam, or commando/tkm's knock down and fire wounding me to hell and back... there is a bit too many jedi, but all in all the game is a lot more fun then pre cu was, or old NGE was.
I still like the CU the best, when they still had the class layout the same but changed combat to not use the style queue and added more "eq2" ish style combat. But if I have to choose for no star wars mmo, and the NGE I would choose the NGE. I miss bounty hunter / creature handler but at least I can semi relive him with bm/bh now I guess. Either way, download the trial and go into it with an open mind and see if you like it. Don't hold the way NGE was released against it, and quit whining about the old classes, go in, try it out for a couple days and really make an honest opinion about it. I bet you would be at least a little surprised at how much better its gotten even if you hate not having an open ended template system.
Also, start out on starsider, don't go looking for low pop servers to prove a point. We all know there is servers with little to no population thats why they put in server transfers, but try a full server like Starsider.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
It's an ongoing thing, the SWG server infrastructure team has some cool people in it and they manage to squeeze every bit of performance out of these rigs.
Are you saying that SWG has a whole team dedicated to server infastructure? Team implying more than one person right?
I know you pointed out one patch note where soe found one bug in their code, but that doesn't sound like the efforts of a whole dedicated team to me. Every game has an 'ongoing' effort to increase performance.
There have been a few server crashes recently, I'll check that whatever caused it is being investigated.
No need to check. Its the fact that the server hardware is ANCIENT and not up to the challenge. The pace of the game after the NGE has always been too much for the servers. There are CONSTANT issues because of this. The travel lag, rubber banding, item loss, server crashes, rollbacks etc. I could go on, but I wont.
By all means, enjoy the game. Conversely, understand that SOE are only interested in providing the bare minimum for SWG and realistically, SWG is just a vehicle for the TCG (RMT) testing now. Its in their best interests to keep it on life support, but thats all they will do. Well, that and releasing TCG expansions.
S
PS : Chimaera is down AGAIN.
Really? Ive had huge PvP battles in LotRo and guess what, No lag to speak of. When you say "fastest servers in the commercial sector" I assume you mean that they WERE fast in 2003. We're in 2009 now chief and its no myth that their servers SUCK. That's why they have been down at unscheduled times throughout the last week.
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What I dont get is why still cry about a game years later? I think you are all way past the letting it go stage. Either get back in game and protest on the forums to get SOE and thier Devs to look at areas you want fixed. Other is let it go and let new players look at it the way it is now, since we all know the old games never coming back. Stop putting down something you have absolutly nothing to do with.
These new Devs are not like the old ones, they do listen to the players, the squeky wheel is getting attention. besides the more players in game makes it possible to fix the game faster, more subs = more money for Devs.
I still can find areas in game that are fun for me, I still craft, pvp,pve, thier are instances that give out new items, collections that give out new items. PvP is in my opinion is much more fun than it was in the past. Sure I miss the old system but ehh it had its problems to. Thing is thier are positives and negatives in game. Besides SWG is still as good as any mmo Ive ever tried, one more positive is SWG has the closest and most active community Ive ever seen in any game.
I stopped playing 3 weeks ago so I know the game in its current state and its a laggy, buggy testbed for RMT. That's it and that's all. That's why there are no plans for anything more than the free quarterly updates (except for RMT/TCG expansions).
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what do you mean RMT? Micro Transactions?
think you are thinking of EQ2, cause I have yet to see the micro transaction system in SWG. If it means something else, explain what it is for me so I can understand what you mean. As for SWG being buggy, SWG has always been "buggy", it's a lot less buggy now then it was pre CU I just don't think you remember what it was like.
NGE isn't for everyone. Thats for sure. I quit, and got a refund for Mustufar expansion because of how they did the whole release. That being said, I came back about a year ago, and have an active sub. It has just as many bugs as any other mmo, as for the lag, there is times when I lag but its rare. I was in a 30ish on 20ish pvp fight in restuss the other night with laser fire, lightsabers and bombs going off all over the place and had 0 lag.
I think you might need to either A) Quit lying, or
try a different server that isn't on the other side of the country from you.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
SWG has micro transactions...its called the TCG.
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"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
you haven't played it before have you?
you don't buy items with it, you buy cards for the complete seperate card game, which all SoE games have. Sure you can get "in game" loot cards from buying booster packs, but those items have no real use other then house items/clothing items. You don't get uber sword #1 from it, you don't get gear you have to run instances to get so no, I don't consider that the same as what you two are trying to pass off.
RMT to me, means buying in game items for cash which you can NOT do in TCG. The items you have a rare chance of getting when you buy booster packs have no affect on gameplay, no bearing on someones toon strength. You guys seriously need to find something else to try and whine about, there is enough wrong with SoE that trying to pass off the card game as RMT is a pretty sad attempt at trolling them, and just shows how retarded your anti soe crusades are.
Even if they do add the EQ2 version, and then on top of it add stuff that affects gameplay, what do you care? Are you that insecure about your self worth you gotta worry about how other people got their trinkets? If you are having fun with the game, does it lessen your fun knowing someone else may have ebayed their toon, or got a free house item from playing/buying booster packs in a card game based on star wars?
as for everyone who is bashing SWG with out actually playing it in the last 3 months:
if it does, you guys should really go outside more. You might find there is more to life then you first thought, and you are taking things way to serious for your own good. Just some sound advice.
As for my final post on the subject, SoE has its share of problems and I won't try and say they don't. They lie, and act crooked on a lot of things. The game itself, SWG/EQ2/Vanguard/EQ have bugs, content some don't like, and things other do, but in the end if your whole mission in life is to accuse anyone who does like the game as being a sony employee, or try to act like SoE isn't like every other damn mmo company on the face of the planet you guys are sad.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
If a given person is buying the TCG booster packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the loot items then it IS a micro transaction. It is designed by their marketing department to do just that. Whether you believe it or not is irellevent...it is what it is.
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"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor
Here's some photos from 10:30 on a Monday Night (not even a peak time)
This is Starsider, the most populated server. Very large pictures.
EDIT: BLUE BLIPS ARE PLAYERS.
If a given person is buying the TCG booster packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the loot items then it IS a micro transaction. It is designed by their marketing department to do just that. Whether you believe it or not is irellevent...it is what it is.
Ive read that you get one loot card in about 10-15 booster packs if your lucky, I have not bought them so I can't confirm this is true. Boosters cost between 2-3 dollars each. If they want to pay 30-45 dollars for an item with 0 stats, that you can wear, then hey more power to them. Regardless, Saying the TCG is just a front for RMT is hilarious.
I highly doubt that they would go through all the trouble of hiding it in a booster front, in a card game that is almost more popular then the game itself, when they have a working RMT system already built and deployed in EQ2.
Seems to me, that for the very, very, very select few who decide to waste that kinda cash on items that cause no benefit to them, would it not make more sense, to instead offer the same item for 5 dollars like they do now in eq2, and get 10x the amount of people who buy it?
Would you, if you were the "type" of person to buy money/items for real cash and were looking for an RMT game, really bother yourself with a hidden expensive "front" for rmt, and only get items that meant nothing, or one like EQ2 that is up front and has the list of items available for a price?
If your time is worth more then your money, it doesn't bother me if you Jinzu Hilt was dropped or bought, because I find the fun in the game guilding/grouping with like minded people, I could care less how they got it. For me personally, I can't afford to buy items for cash because I would rather spend that money on my kids. But I could care less what some other person who can afford it does with their money, even if I were to have to work for the item they bought.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
If a given person is buying the TCG booster packs for the sole purpose of obtaining the loot items then it IS a micro transaction. It is designed by their marketing department to do just that. Whether you believe it or not is irellevent...it is what it is.
Ive read that you get one loot card in about 10-15 booster packs if your lucky, I have not bought them so I can't confirm this is true. Boosters cost between 2-3 dollars each. If they want to pay 30-45 dollars for an item with 0 stats, that you can wear, then hey more power to them. Regardless, Saying the TCG is just a front for RMT is hilarious.
Why do you think they put the loot items in the packs? They have ZERO function in the TCG. They also do not publish the odds of getting a given loot item in a pack.
Some people just cannot see the forest through the trees.
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"SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor