Eats pop corn and having a good ol drink..We interupt this forum for a special announcement.. Round 1 goes to the Vapor trolls..And the Followers of Taos feels shaken from the blow of the white square..I asked one of the follwers how do you feel about the delay?The answer he replied was, Embarassed and lost of faith..Stay tune for the other reports flooding in from around the World..Back to the Forum..Haha..Eats and drink away..
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
Originally posted by Laurann These are the same types of kids who have duped GOOD publishers, and made it hard for both you and I to secure funding for legitimate projects. These types of little startups with all their bullshit are one of the big reasons games like Wish, Realm, and quite a few others in development will never hit the street. .... When I worked with Keith on VG, our number one priority with our work was always the fans, no matter how hard Jeff or MS tried to fuck it up.
Lol - Pot calling the Kettle Black. Wasnt VG the game that screwed Microsoft out of $40 million with fake demo after fake demo and no real work for years?
And for years we've all said that "tasos is retarded" for saying AI bots could test a game. Turns out, when he finally DID get real players to test the game....they suddenly had to "delay the game and test longer". Now lets look at this "logic" from that perspective. Lets pretend Tasos really thought his AI was doing a good job testing. Then, hammer to stone, he finds out that real players are finding all KINDS of things he hadn't forseen. He goes on, thinking things will be okay and that, surely, his inside team and bots found most of it. A couple weeks before launch...he realizes they haven't even tested EVERYTHING with real players yet. Now he has to go get clearance to announce the delay. Yeah, I can totally see how this sort of thing happens to a completely inexperienced team of people who had expectations that just aren't possible. Note: I never said Aventurine was a smart company. Never said they had a clue. Just saying, this isn't as big a deal as we're making it out to be. Also saying that its actually a good thing, because it means that Tasos is having to suck up some of that pride and naive idealism and actually learn and move forward.
Hehe ok first, apologies for butting in here but lets see if i have your defense of Darkfall and Aventuire correct
#1 Tasos is a retard. (No, dispite what we've read here on the forums the fans haven't been praising him as some kinda genius that never lies for years?)
#2 Aventurine is clueless. (No again dispite what we've seen posted here in the DF forums for years by fans the devs at Aventurine are not some kinda geniuses developing the greatest sandbox game ever with highly advanced AI bots, and tons of well paid professional testers. Devs which might i add work day in and day out for the good of the game and its player base with no self interest in money / income etc.. No instead they are a bunch of clueless chumps?)
Just wanted to get that straight. I really don't know your posting history but it seems odd. In my honest experience here with the DF forums anyone that posted anything even close to what you posted above was instantly labled a troll and flamed by the fans. (What you don't believe Darkfall will release on the 22nd? GTFO you hater/troll!)
22nd is free trial with as many people as they can support... i dont think it will have an nda
But you have been wrong before right, you know like about it coming out on the 22nd, and about it having a several week open beta. Sorry but considering your record of correct predictions in defense of DF in the past, if I was a betting man I'd have to bet against you.
I wonder how many of these Anti-Darkfall posts come from WOW people. People tend to hate anything they are threatened by. I wonder how many of these WOW raid guilds could hack it in Darkfall's idea of PVP.
Nobody is scared of Tasos, Aventurine, or Darkfall. Come back to reality.
If this was a scam then there wouldn't be so many parties involved in the process: GNi server company, audiovisual publishing company, MMORPG Italia, Athens gaming convention, and the development team itself. If this was vapor ware or a scam then there would be much less people involved in it. Face it, the game exist, but due to the companies size they have had more set backs than most other companies. Doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy, but hey at least things are moving more forward than they have in the past.
If this was a scam then there wouldn't be so many parties involved in the process: GNi server company, audiovisual publishing company, MMORPG Italia, Athens gaming convention, and the development team itself. If this was vapor ware or a scam then there would be much less people involved in it. Face it, the game exist, but due to the companies size they have had more set backs than most other companies. Doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy, but hey at least things are moving more forward than they have in the past.
GNi server company - they provide servers. They're not responsible for what, if anything, is on them. Apparently right now they have Darkfalls website, forums, and thenoob comic on them.
Audio Visual S.A. - have an agreement to make and distribute disk. Seen any disk made or distributed? Funnily enough, housed in same building as Aventurine.
Athens Gaming Convention - Had nothing to go by but what Tasos told them. Also stood by their guns and stated they reported exactly what he said when tasos claimed they "misquoted" him.
MMORPG.it - Two fanbois who run a site who got to play a version which apparently had noone but themselves on the server, no beta players. Were strictly covered by the NDA and were only allowed to say what Tasos let them. Were also provided incentives by Tasos.
The development team itself - funny, have you ever seen or heard from these 20-30 "developers"? For all you know, they're all Tasos family and friends.
I would like to comment on Jon Wood: "The first, and perhaps most important thing to note is the promise of an announcement regarding pre-order information. This stood out to me immediately upon reading it as to my recollection, Darkfall had promised that there would be no pre-orders for their game. This seemed to be done as a response to critics who called the game’s validity into question."
And I would like to refer to Tasos: "The pre-orders are necessary so that we can have some measure of the demand."
Jon Wood. I have not studied economics very much, but I can totally understand Aventurine's move on this one. Yes, they might have promised not to make any pre-orders. But, Aventurine is clearly in a difficult situation as they only have two choices. They can commercially launch their game and receive such a great response to sales that they might have to close down any new players wanting to buy the game. Or allow it and risk instability, servers crashing and lag. Or they can do the only reasonable thing and give the players who want the game the most a chance to get it. There are fans who have followed this game for many years. It is unfair for them to miss out on the launch. Therefore, I applaud Aventurine for making it possible for the individual fan to somehow secure himself a position at launch. And I don't think pre-orders are a bad thing. Plans change and I believe they have taken the best approach. I am also eager to get early access to the game. It is a smart thing to do because it allows those testers who really want to help an ability to do it. I have been upset every day since they started closed hardware testing. I felt I was an important part of the DF fan community, but I was never given a chance to help. Now I can have it if I pay a meaningless amount of dollars. I am perfectly fine with this. Therefore, I don't feel you should criticize Tasos and Aventurine's decision.
Yes but you also praise DnL as one of the best MMO's ever and think their company was totally justified in riping off many of their customers with double and triple credit card charges for a game they never recieved, or were continually charged for after they had quit.
I would say your opinion and perhaps views on what is acceptable company practice is somewhat in the minority.
Benefit of the doubt or not, this is yet another huge red flag for any sane consumer. I've been burned by craptastic launches more than enough already, this is the final nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned. I may still check out the game after it has actually launched, but no way in hades would I preorder at this point.
How is this a red flag for sane consumers? All it means is that the people over at Aventurtine are real human beings who cannot do everything perfectly and run into problems. These guys are trying to put out something that all of us have wanted for a long time. Its OBVIOUSLY coming out, that has been proven. So why dont we support them in their efforts? Besdides, its an MMO release. You arent a sane person if you didn't expect a delay.
First given the nature of the entire DF development, red flag everywhere is well justified. A game that does not have any information on pricing, distribution and everything, 1 week before announced live, is really something.
Second, as the OP points out, this last public announcement contradicts a lot of the earlier claims of the developer. All these technical problems they now encountered were long expected by many gamers here, but the developer Tasos or whatever his name is, categorically deny them, saying they can use their own inhouse tester to beta and stress test. Now suddenly they cannot. Tasos sounds like a competent project leader? If some builder reassures you that the new architectural design will work even tho it means no pillars, no .... and when you are moving the furniture in, the builder suddenly said, "hey we need to insert pillars". Will you feel comfortable.
Third, is is OBVIOUSLY coming? How obvious? God and Heroes has a playable beta, played by tens of thousands, and ppl has played to max level. It flops. DF has nothing but a buttload of contradictory words, and missing key elements of distribution (from web site to downloading path, to major reviews to distribution channels to sub policy). DF is obviously coming, and OBVIOUSLY? It must be very obvious to you. Go replace your glasses.
No it not the delay that is funny. Its the way they mess up everything, obviously messy and yet Tasos pretend to be a genious and do things his way till ONE WEEK before the deadline, when he found that everything falls into place ... oops not falls apart.
I see the quality of the team head as an indicator or the product quality. With Tasos, this product err ...
You seems to be able to read a lot I cannot read. I cannot see how their blunders proved they are sincere. I cannot how such a magnitude of mismangement be translated into indicators that they are human. I see mistakes, blunders, bad management, total lacking in professional handling. You like that? good. Not me.
First given the nature of the entire DF development, red flag everywhere is well justified. A game that does not have any information on pricing, distribution and everything, 1 week before announced live, is really something.
Second, as the OP points out, this last public announcement contradicts a lot of the earlier claims of the developer. All these technical problems they now encountered were long expected by many gamers here, but the developer Tasos or whatever his name is, categorically deny them, saying they can use their own inhouse tester to beta and stress test. Now suddenly they cannot. Tasos sounds like a competent project leader? If some builder reassures you that the new architectural design will work even tho it means no pillars, no .... and when you are moving the furniture in, the builder suddenly said, "hey we need to insert pillars". Will you feel comfortable. Third, is is OBVIOUSLY coming? How obvious? God and Heroes has a playable beta, played by tens of thousands, and ppl has played to max level. It flops. DF has nothing but a buttload of contradictory words, and missing key elements of distribution (from web site to downloading path, to major reviews to distribution channels to sub policy). DF is obviously coming, and OBVIOUSLY? It must be very obvious to you. Go replace your glasses. No it not the delay that is funny. Its the way they mess up everything, obviously messy and yet Tasos pretend to be a genious and do things his way till ONE WEEK before the deadline, when he found that everything falls into place ... oops not falls apart. I see the quality of the team head as an indicator or the product quality. With Tasos, this product err ... You seems to be able to read a lot I cannot read. I cannot see how their blunders proved they are sincere. I cannot how such a magnitude of mismangement be translated into indicators that they are human. I see mistakes, blunders, bad management, total lacking in professional handling. You like that? good. Not me.
Is that what you make of the announcement? That they need to further Beta-test? Because what I see them saying is "The game might be ready, but the set-up of the servers, billing, etc is not".
The rest of your comments are not worthy of responding to. Typical teenage rant.
The problem with MMORPG.COM ??? They should inform people about the current games being played instead of hyping games before they are launched. The coverage should be 90% info on current MMO games to encourage players to try them all out. And 10% on future projects because ... they are just thin air until published. If the developpers of AoC and War had restricted themselves a little bit more before launch and... were NOT given the extremely hype time on mmorpg.com, perhaps ... some would have been not hoping for the next God send like game. Remember: EVERY game is thin air until published.
mmorpg.com is not the only site that let AoC and other games build their "hype". I seem to recall full page ads on Gamespot, mmosite, Warcry and others for AoC and WAR, amongst other games. But I agree that "future" games should be shoved to the back burner until they have something of substance to show and are ready to release.
Is that what you make of the announcement? That they need to further Beta-test? Because what I see them saying is "The game might be ready, but the set-up of the servers, billing, etc is not".
The rest of your comments are not worthy of responding to. Typical teenage rant.
So you somehow didn't see, didn't understand, or misread...
"We fell behind on a couple of weeks of beta testing progress and we need to make this time up. We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally."
"We want as many players as possible in the game before the launch and we haven’t had the chance to stress test our servers with live players yet."
So exactly what part of we fell behind in beta testing and need more playtesting data (from beta test) did you not understand?
Maybe you don't understand the second part that stress testing the servers is in fact part of beta testing. So in effect they did plainly say they need more time to beta test but you don't believe them? Amazing
If this was a scam then there wouldn't be so many parties involved in the process: GNi server company, audiovisual publishing company, MMORPG Italia, Athens gaming convention, and the development team itself. If this was vapor ware or a scam then there would be much less people involved in it. Face it, the game exist, but due to the companies size they have had more set backs than most other companies. Doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy, but hey at least things are moving more forward than they have in the past.
GNi server company - they provide servers. They're not responsible for what, if anything, is on them. Apparently right now they have Darkfalls website, forums, and thenoob comic on them.
Audio Visual S.A. - have an agreement to make and distribute disk. Seen any disk made or distributed? Funnily enough, housed in same building as Aventurine.
Athens Gaming Convention - Had nothing to go by but what Tasos told them. Also stood by their guns and stated they reported exactly what he said when tasos claimed they "misquoted" him.
MMORPG.it - Two fanbois who run a site who got to play a version which apparently had noone but themselves on the server, no beta players. Were strictly covered by the NDA and were only allowed to say what Tasos let them. Were also provided incentives by Tasos.
The development team itself - funny, have you ever seen or heard from these 20-30 "developers"? For all you know, they're all Tasos family and friends.
GNi didn't sign onto the project until I believe Sep 08. At least thats when they announced that they would be hosting for DF. The website has been hosted on the same servers way before that.
MMORPG.it isn't ran by 2 people. Its basically the .it verison of this site. They played the game and have a video of it on youtube.
I was refering to the 30min video of the game as evidence that it actually exist.
For the game to be a huge scam, it would have to not exist. Whether or not its a faliure of a game tho is yet to be seen.
If this was a scam then there wouldn't be so many parties involved in the process: GNi server company, audiovisual publishing company, MMORPG Italia, Athens gaming convention, and the development team itself. If this was vapor ware or a scam then there would be much less people involved in it. Face it, the game exist, but due to the companies size they have had more set backs than most other companies. Doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy, but hey at least things are moving more forward than they have in the past.
GNi server company - they provide servers. They're not responsible for what, if anything, is on them. Apparently right now they have Darkfalls website, forums, and thenoob comic on them.
Audio Visual S.A. - have an agreement to make and distribute disk. Seen any disk made or distributed? Funnily enough, housed in same building as Aventurine.
Athens Gaming Convention - Had nothing to go by but what Tasos told them. Also stood by their guns and stated they reported exactly what he said when tasos claimed they "misquoted" him.
MMORPG.it - Two fanbois who run a site who got to play a version which apparently had noone but themselves on the server, no beta players. Were strictly covered by the NDA and were only allowed to say what Tasos let them. Were also provided incentives by Tasos.
The development team itself - funny, have you ever seen or heard from these 20-30 "developers"? For all you know, they're all Tasos family and friends.
GNi didn't sign onto the project until I believe Sep 08. At least thats when they announced that they would be hosting for DF. The website has been hosted on the same servers way before that.
MMORPG.it isn't ran by 2 people. Its basically the .it verison of this site. They played the game and have a video of it on youtube.
I was more refering to the 30min video of the game as evidence that it actually exist.
For the game to be a huge scam, it would have to not exist. Whether or not its a faliure of a game tho is yet to be seen.
I read about mourning. That game was a scam, i don't know much about DnL. Maybe I should say that in order for the game to be a scam it will actually have to scam people out of money first. So
1) The game is a scam if it doesn't exist but charges people money for it
2) Is a shell of a game on the level of Mourning on top of double charging peopel and being unethical.
So you somehow didn't see, didn't understand, or misread... "We fell behind on a couple of weeks of beta testing progress and we need to make this time up. We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally." "We want as many players as possible in the game before the launch and we haven’t had the chance to stress test our servers with live players yet."
So exactly what part of we fell behind in beta testing and need more playtesting data (from beta test) did you not understand? Maybe you don't understand the second part that stress testing the servers is in fact part of beta testing. So in effect they did plainly say they need more time to beta test but you don't believe them? Amazing
Let me rephrase that then if it's that hard: falling two weeks behind in the beta schedule does not mean that the game is 'broken' or 'not ready' or even a 'hoax', as most haters rant . It means a delay due to the reasons mentioned .
Their main problem at the moment is hosting the large number of players interested. Not calibrating the game client for better player experience.
I read about mourning. That game was a scam, i don't know much about DnL. Maybe I should say that in order for the game to be a scam it will actually have to scam people out of money first. So 1) The game is a scam if it doesn't exist but charges people money for it 2) Is a shell of a game on the level of Mourning on top of double charging peopel and being unethical.
You're forgetting one other scenario. Just like Colton Burgess did with the last Mourning incarnation known as Thrones of Chaos, it wasn't the customers who got scammed ( as he folded up shop and ran with the money ), it was the investors.
Put it like this: I wonder whether Tasos could account for every dime of the millions he got in grants, along with all the money from other investors, if audited and demanded to show such?
That being said, it is a perfectly legitimate criticism. Pre-orders helping to gauge interest in an MMO is not new, in fact, it is a common business practice. Aventurine stated that they would not hold pre-orders for the game, thus either flying in the face of a commonly known practice, or being ignorant of it. In either case, pointing out the inconsistency is completely valid.
I'm pleased to see that you're behind the pre-orders. That's entirely your perogative and is entirely your opinion. The point in the article wasn't to tell people "this is bad" in fact, if you read the section, you'll see that I speak to this:
"Having looked more closely at what was said, it is difficult to deny that something in the company's policies have changed with players who pre-oder getting priority for entrance into the sample and / or launch. that said, the announcement states that preorders are necessary to gauge demand. it is true that many companies use this technique, however, earlier promises made seem to contradict this decision."
Thanks for the reply.
Yes. You are actually right. It is legitimate. I do believe the things you've mentioned in the article are relevant. So they deserve to be voiced in an article. And I must say that I have enjoyed reading articles here on MMORPG.COM about Darkfall. It's always nice to hear news about the game.
Perhaps I was slightly wrong and what I really meant was that I hope others will see this news in a brighter light. I am quite active in the community of Darkfall and I don't remember being part of something this expansive. There are really all sorts of people following this game. I'm definitely convinced that the negative comments in this section only represent a smaller part of all those who follow Darkfall. It's just that most are preparing for the game. Chatting with friends and having fun in forumfall, where some troll - but not with a negative attitude.
Anyway. Thanks for the article.
LOL! You can actually say that stuff with a straight face?
Come on... most of us have seen what the vast majority over on the Official Forums think of you.
Oh... and perhaps you forgot your involvement in trying to preach the gospel of DnL?
That being said, it is a perfectly legitimate criticism. Pre-orders helping to gauge interest in an MMO is not new, in fact, it is a common business practice. Aventurine stated that they would not hold pre-orders for the game, thus either flying in the face of a commonly known practice, or being ignorant of it. In either case, pointing out the inconsistency is completely valid.
I'm pleased to see that you're behind the pre-orders. That's entirely your perogative and is entirely your opinion. The point in the article wasn't to tell people "this is bad" in fact, if you read the section, you'll see that I speak to this:
"Having looked more closely at what was said, it is difficult to deny that something in the company's policies have changed with players who pre-oder getting priority for entrance into the sample and / or launch. that said, the announcement states that preorders are necessary to gauge demand. it is true that many companies use this technique, however, earlier promises made seem to contradict this decision."
Thanks for the reply.
Yes. You are actually right. It is legitimate. I do believe the things you've mentioned in the article are relevant. So they deserve to be voiced in an article. And I must say that I have enjoyed reading articles here on MMORPG.COM about Darkfall. It's always nice to hear news about the game.
Perhaps I was slightly wrong and what I really meant was that I hope others will see this news in a brighter light. I am quite active in the community of Darkfall and I don't remember being part of something this expansive. There are really all sorts of people following this game. I'm definitely convinced that the negative comments in this section only represent a smaller part of all those who follow Darkfall. It's just that most are preparing for the game. Chatting with friends and having fun in forumfall, where some troll - but not with a negative attitude.
Anyway. Thanks for the article.
LOL! You can actually say that stuff with a straight face?
Come on... most of us have seen what the vast majority over on the Official Forums think of you.
Oh... and perhaps you forgot your involvement in trying to preach the gospel of DnL?
Oh well... was good for a laugh. Thanks for that.
This should give people a good idea of Ztyx credibility when it comes to anything game related:
What is with the rampant hatred of Darkfall? It hasn't even come out yet and there are quite a few people who would love to see it fail? You stated that you or WOW players were not afraid of Darkfall. If you are not afraid of it then why do you hate it so much?
I don't think I have ever seen a game trashed so much before it's release. I've seen this kind of hype if not more, but never this much controversy.
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I will not be buying the game over this garbage excuse.
Bunch of effin' lying bastards.
It's like I'm staring at Sigil Games a few years back, but with a game less hyped, and less interesting.
I knew it would delayed, so i dont put much hope on it.
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Eats pop corn and having a good ol drink..We interupt this forum for a special announcement.. Round 1 goes to the Vapor trolls..And the Followers of Taos feels shaken from the blow of the white square..I asked one of the follwers how do you feel about the delay?The answer he replied was, Embarassed and lost of faith..Stay tune for the other reports flooding in from around the World..Back to the Forum..Haha..Eats and drink away..
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Lol - Pot calling the Kettle Black. Wasnt VG the game that screwed Microsoft out of $40 million with fake demo after fake demo and no real work for years?
Hehe ok first, apologies for butting in here but lets see if i have your defense of Darkfall and Aventuire correct
#1 Tasos is a retard. (No, dispite what we've read here on the forums the fans haven't been praising him as some kinda genius that never lies for years?)
#2 Aventurine is clueless. (No again dispite what we've seen posted here in the DF forums for years by fans the devs at Aventurine are not some kinda geniuses developing the greatest sandbox game ever with highly advanced AI bots, and tons of well paid professional testers. Devs which might i add work day in and day out for the good of the game and its player base with no self interest in money / income etc.. No instead they are a bunch of clueless chumps?)
Just wanted to get that straight. I really don't know your posting history but it seems odd. In my honest experience here with the DF forums anyone that posted anything even close to what you posted above was instantly labled a troll and flamed by the fans. (What you don't believe Darkfall will release on the 22nd? GTFO you hater/troll!)
But you have been wrong before right, you know like about it coming out on the 22nd, and about it having a several week open beta. Sorry but considering your record of correct predictions in defense of DF in the past, if I was a betting man I'd have to bet against you.
Nobody is scared of Tasos, Aventurine, or Darkfall. Come back to reality.
If this was a scam then there wouldn't be so many parties involved in the process: GNi server company, audiovisual publishing company, MMORPG Italia, Athens gaming convention, and the development team itself. If this was vapor ware or a scam then there would be much less people involved in it. Face it, the game exist, but due to the companies size they have had more set backs than most other companies. Doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy, but hey at least things are moving more forward than they have in the past.
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GNi server company - they provide servers. They're not responsible for what, if anything, is on them. Apparently right now they have Darkfalls website, forums, and thenoob comic on them.
Audio Visual S.A. - have an agreement to make and distribute disk. Seen any disk made or distributed? Funnily enough, housed in same building as Aventurine.
Athens Gaming Convention - Had nothing to go by but what Tasos told them. Also stood by their guns and stated they reported exactly what he said when tasos claimed they "misquoted" him.
MMORPG.it - Two fanbois who run a site who got to play a version which apparently had noone but themselves on the server, no beta players. Were strictly covered by the NDA and were only allowed to say what Tasos let them. Were also provided incentives by Tasos.
The development team itself - funny, have you ever seen or heard from these 20-30 "developers"? For all you know, they're all Tasos family and friends.
Yes but you also praise DnL as one of the best MMO's ever and think their company was totally justified in riping off many of their customers with double and triple credit card charges for a game they never recieved, or were continually charged for after they had quit.
I would say your opinion and perhaps views on what is acceptable company practice is somewhat in the minority.
Darkfall delayed...Imagine that.
How is this a red flag for sane consumers? All it means is that the people over at Aventurtine are real human beings who cannot do everything perfectly and run into problems. These guys are trying to put out something that all of us have wanted for a long time. Its OBVIOUSLY coming out, that has been proven. So why dont we support them in their efforts? Besdides, its an MMO release. You arent a sane person if you didn't expect a delay.
First given the nature of the entire DF development, red flag everywhere is well justified. A game that does not have any information on pricing, distribution and everything, 1 week before announced live, is really something.
Second, as the OP points out, this last public announcement contradicts a lot of the earlier claims of the developer. All these technical problems they now encountered were long expected by many gamers here, but the developer Tasos or whatever his name is, categorically deny them, saying they can use their own inhouse tester to beta and stress test. Now suddenly they cannot. Tasos sounds like a competent project leader? If some builder reassures you that the new architectural design will work even tho it means no pillars, no .... and when you are moving the furniture in, the builder suddenly said, "hey we need to insert pillars". Will you feel comfortable.
Third, is is OBVIOUSLY coming? How obvious? God and Heroes has a playable beta, played by tens of thousands, and ppl has played to max level. It flops. DF has nothing but a buttload of contradictory words, and missing key elements of distribution (from web site to downloading path, to major reviews to distribution channels to sub policy). DF is obviously coming, and OBVIOUSLY? It must be very obvious to you. Go replace your glasses.
No it not the delay that is funny. Its the way they mess up everything, obviously messy and yet Tasos pretend to be a genious and do things his way till ONE WEEK before the deadline, when he found that everything falls into place ... oops not falls apart.
I see the quality of the team head as an indicator or the product quality. With Tasos, this product err ...
You seems to be able to read a lot I cannot read. I cannot see how their blunders proved they are sincere. I cannot how such a magnitude of mismangement be translated into indicators that they are human. I see mistakes, blunders, bad management, total lacking in professional handling. You like that? good. Not me.
Been away for a few days, just heard the news.
I'm ell o elling
seriously.
Is that what you make of the announcement? That they need to further Beta-test? Because what I see them saying is "The game might be ready, but the set-up of the servers, billing, etc is not".
The rest of your comments are not worthy of responding to. Typical teenage rant.
mmorpg.com is not the only site that let AoC and other games build their "hype". I seem to recall full page ads on Gamespot, mmosite, Warcry and others for AoC and WAR, amongst other games. But I agree that "future" games should be shoved to the back burner until they have something of substance to show and are ready to release.
So you somehow didn't see, didn't understand, or misread...
"We fell behind on a couple of weeks of beta testing progress and we need to make this time up. We need more playtesting data on several features we haven’t had much chance to test externally."
"We want as many players as possible in the game before the launch and we haven’t had the chance to stress test our servers with live players yet."
So exactly what part of we fell behind in beta testing and need more playtesting data (from beta test) did you not understand?
Maybe you don't understand the second part that stress testing the servers is in fact part of beta testing. So in effect they did plainly say they need more time to beta test but you don't believe them? Amazing
GNi server company - they provide servers. They're not responsible for what, if anything, is on them. Apparently right now they have Darkfalls website, forums, and thenoob comic on them.
Audio Visual S.A. - have an agreement to make and distribute disk. Seen any disk made or distributed? Funnily enough, housed in same building as Aventurine.
Athens Gaming Convention - Had nothing to go by but what Tasos told them. Also stood by their guns and stated they reported exactly what he said when tasos claimed they "misquoted" him.
MMORPG.it - Two fanbois who run a site who got to play a version which apparently had noone but themselves on the server, no beta players. Were strictly covered by the NDA and were only allowed to say what Tasos let them. Were also provided incentives by Tasos.
The development team itself - funny, have you ever seen or heard from these 20-30 "developers"? For all you know, they're all Tasos family and friends.
GNi didn't sign onto the project until I believe Sep 08. At least thats when they announced that they would be hosting for DF. The website has been hosted on the same servers way before that.
MMORPG.it isn't ran by 2 people. Its basically the .it verison of this site. They played the game and have a video of it on youtube.
I was refering to the 30min video of the game as evidence that it actually exist.
For the game to be a huge scam, it would have to not exist. Whether or not its a faliure of a game tho is yet to be seen.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
GNi server company - they provide servers. They're not responsible for what, if anything, is on them. Apparently right now they have Darkfalls website, forums, and thenoob comic on them.
Audio Visual S.A. - have an agreement to make and distribute disk. Seen any disk made or distributed? Funnily enough, housed in same building as Aventurine.
Athens Gaming Convention - Had nothing to go by but what Tasos told them. Also stood by their guns and stated they reported exactly what he said when tasos claimed they "misquoted" him.
MMORPG.it - Two fanbois who run a site who got to play a version which apparently had noone but themselves on the server, no beta players. Were strictly covered by the NDA and were only allowed to say what Tasos let them. Were also provided incentives by Tasos.
The development team itself - funny, have you ever seen or heard from these 20-30 "developers"? For all you know, they're all Tasos family and friends.
GNi didn't sign onto the project until I believe Sep 08. At least thats when they announced that they would be hosting for DF. The website has been hosted on the same servers way before that.
MMORPG.it isn't ran by 2 people. Its basically the .it verison of this site. They played the game and have a video of it on youtube.
I was more refering to the 30min video of the game as evidence that it actually exist.
For the game to be a huge scam, it would have to not exist. Whether or not its a faliure of a game tho is yet to be seen.
Last I checked DnL, and even Mourning, "existed".
I read about mourning. That game was a scam, i don't know much about DnL. Maybe I should say that in order for the game to be a scam it will actually have to scam people out of money first. So
1) The game is a scam if it doesn't exist but charges people money for it
2) Is a shell of a game on the level of Mourning on top of double charging peopel and being unethical.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Let me rephrase that then if it's that hard: falling two weeks behind in the beta schedule does not mean that the game is 'broken' or 'not ready' or even a 'hoax', as most haters rant . It means a delay due to the reasons mentioned .
Their main problem at the moment is hosting the large number of players interested. Not calibrating the game client for better player experience.
You're forgetting one other scenario. Just like Colton Burgess did with the last Mourning incarnation known as Thrones of Chaos, it wasn't the customers who got scammed ( as he folded up shop and ran with the money ), it was the investors.
Put it like this: I wonder whether Tasos could account for every dime of the millions he got in grants, along with all the money from other investors, if audited and demanded to show such?
Thanks for your input:
That being said, it is a perfectly legitimate criticism. Pre-orders helping to gauge interest in an MMO is not new, in fact, it is a common business practice. Aventurine stated that they would not hold pre-orders for the game, thus either flying in the face of a commonly known practice, or being ignorant of it. In either case, pointing out the inconsistency is completely valid.
I'm pleased to see that you're behind the pre-orders. That's entirely your perogative and is entirely your opinion. The point in the article wasn't to tell people "this is bad" in fact, if you read the section, you'll see that I speak to this:
"Having looked more closely at what was said, it is difficult to deny that something in the company's policies have changed with players who pre-oder getting priority for entrance into the sample and / or launch. that said, the announcement states that preorders are necessary to gauge demand. it is true that many companies use this technique, however, earlier promises made seem to contradict this decision."
Thanks for the reply.
Yes. You are actually right. It is legitimate. I do believe the things you've mentioned in the article are relevant. So they deserve to be voiced in an article. And I must say that I have enjoyed reading articles here on MMORPG.COM about Darkfall. It's always nice to hear news about the game.
Perhaps I was slightly wrong and what I really meant was that I hope others will see this news in a brighter light. I am quite active in the community of Darkfall and I don't remember being part of something this expansive. There are really all sorts of people following this game. I'm definitely convinced that the negative comments in this section only represent a smaller part of all those who follow Darkfall. It's just that most are preparing for the game. Chatting with friends and having fun in forumfall, where some troll - but not with a negative attitude.
Anyway. Thanks for the article.
LOL! You can actually say that stuff with a straight face?
Come on... most of us have seen what the vast majority over on the Official Forums think of you.
Oh... and perhaps you forgot your involvement in trying to preach the gospel of DnL?
Oh well... was good for a laugh. Thanks for that.
Thanks for your input:
That being said, it is a perfectly legitimate criticism. Pre-orders helping to gauge interest in an MMO is not new, in fact, it is a common business practice. Aventurine stated that they would not hold pre-orders for the game, thus either flying in the face of a commonly known practice, or being ignorant of it. In either case, pointing out the inconsistency is completely valid.
I'm pleased to see that you're behind the pre-orders. That's entirely your perogative and is entirely your opinion. The point in the article wasn't to tell people "this is bad" in fact, if you read the section, you'll see that I speak to this:
"Having looked more closely at what was said, it is difficult to deny that something in the company's policies have changed with players who pre-oder getting priority for entrance into the sample and / or launch. that said, the announcement states that preorders are necessary to gauge demand. it is true that many companies use this technique, however, earlier promises made seem to contradict this decision."
Thanks for the reply.
Yes. You are actually right. It is legitimate. I do believe the things you've mentioned in the article are relevant. So they deserve to be voiced in an article. And I must say that I have enjoyed reading articles here on MMORPG.COM about Darkfall. It's always nice to hear news about the game.
Perhaps I was slightly wrong and what I really meant was that I hope others will see this news in a brighter light. I am quite active in the community of Darkfall and I don't remember being part of something this expansive. There are really all sorts of people following this game. I'm definitely convinced that the negative comments in this section only represent a smaller part of all those who follow Darkfall. It's just that most are preparing for the game. Chatting with friends and having fun in forumfall, where some troll - but not with a negative attitude.
Anyway. Thanks for the article.
LOL! You can actually say that stuff with a straight face?
Come on... most of us have seen what the vast majority over on the Official Forums think of you.
Oh... and perhaps you forgot your involvement in trying to preach the gospel of DnL?
Oh well... was good for a laugh. Thanks for that.
This should give people a good idea of Ztyx credibility when it comes to anything game related:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2575793#2575793
What is with the rampant hatred of Darkfall? It hasn't even come out yet and there are quite a few people who would love to see it fail? You stated that you or WOW players were not afraid of Darkfall. If you are not afraid of it then why do you hate it so much?
I don't think I have ever seen a game trashed so much before it's release. I've seen this kind of hype if not more, but never this much controversy.