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I don't want my MMORPG feel like a GAME, I want it to be a virtual experiance

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  • altairzqaltairzq Member Posts: 3,811
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    I don't think that I could disagree with the OP more. I already have a life and I don't need a second one. I already have a job and I don't need a second one.
    Having said all that..... I think that Yahtzee hit the nail on the head in his review of Farcry 2. A narrative sandbox game needs an overarching goal as well as a huge world to explore or else you lose any sense of accomplishment and stop caring. Now you can have the freedom of deciding how to go about that great big goal, but you still need something to accomplish. This goal need not be epic or anything, but it does need to make sense in the context of your character. Just like real life, our goals often depend on our circumstances.
    It's kind of like the design philosophy behind the upcoming Age of Decadence. Or maybe the original Deus EX would be a better example. Everything in the game has to be designed for multiple means of accomplishment while still being open ended enough for players to improvise means that the developers never considered. That's one tall order!
    At any rate, just shoving people out into the wild with nary a hint as to what they should, or could, be doing is a sure way to make those of us with jobs move on to something else in a hurry. I don't care if there are games like what the OP mentioned. But for me personally? My life really doesn't suck so bad that I have to escape it completely.

    Because wanting an inmersive experience in a fantasy virtual world  means our lives suck bad?

    Congratulations

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586
    Originally posted by altairzq

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe



    Because wanting an inmersive experience in a fantasy virtual world  means our lives suck bad?

    Congratulations

     

    To begin with, I'd like to thank you for totally ignoring everything about my post except the random bit of trollbait at the end. So much for PC gamers being more sophisticated and perceptive than everyone else.

    And that is the vibe you give off when you tell me that you want to escape into a holodeck into "another world." If your life was bearable, why would you want to escape from it? I like to have diversions from my life now and again, but that isn't at all the same as what the word "escape" implies. There's a reason why people have their stereotypes of D&D rejects.

    Again, I like my life. I  DON'T NEED escape. I WANT an enjoyable way to kill some hours during the downtime in my life. That's pretty much what gaming is about. Sorry you feel differently.

  • RayalistRayalist Member Posts: 211
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

    Originally posted by altairzq

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe



    Because wanting an inmersive experience in a fantasy virtual world  means our lives suck bad?

    Congratulations

     

    To begin with, I'd like to thank you for totally ignoring everything about my post except the random bit of trollbait at the end. So much for PC gamers being more sophisticated and perceptive than everyone else.

    And that is the vibe you give off when you tell me that you want to escape into a holodeck into "another world." If your life was bearable, why would you want to escape from it? I like to have diversions from my life now and again, but that isn't at all the same as what the word "escape" implies. There's a reason why people have their stereotypes of D&D rejects.

    Again, I like my life. I  DON'T NEED escape. I WANT an enjoyable way to kill some hours during the downtime in my life. That's pretty much what gaming is about. Sorry you feel differently.



    You do realize Fallout 1 & 2 as well as Arcanum, three games along the very same lines as Age of Decadence, games which Vince (Developer of AoD) thinks are the epitome of RPGs, were created because the developers wanted to create a tabletop simulation? You know, the D&D you're critisizing?

    What the OP and others want is something similar to those tabletop adventures but instead in an MMO. You want the same thing in a single player game. But great job critisizing everyone about it! Very sophisticated of you!

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    I don't think that I could disagree with the OP more. I already have a life and I don't need a second one. I already have a job and I don't need a second one.
    Having said all that..... I think that Yahtzee hit the nail on the head in his review of Farcry 2. A narrative sandbox game needs an overarching goal as well as a huge world to explore or else you lose any sense of accomplishment and stop caring. Now you can have the freedom of deciding how to go about that great big goal, but you still need something to accomplish. This goal need not be epic or anything, but it does need to make sense in the context of your character. Just like real life, our goals often depend on our circumstances.
    It's kind of like the design philosophy behind the upcoming Age of Decadence. Or maybe the original Deus EX would be a better example. Everything in the game has to be designed for multiple means of accomplishment while still being open ended enough for players to improvise means that the developers never considered. That's one tall order!
    At any rate, just shoving people out into the wild with nary a hint as to what they should, or could, be doing is a sure way to make those of us with jobs move on to something else in a hurry. I don't care if there are games like what the OP mentioned. But for me personally? My life really doesn't suck so bad that I have to escape it completely.



     

     I  feel it's very sad that we have people who for some reason pretend that those of us who want a virtual experience that we want a second life?, people who say that really have no clue what so ever and probably are either very young or just new to games and gamers.

    So if you reply to a topic make sure you understand that topic.

    But must say that your post count, join date and your age should have given you experiance in understanding what my topic was about. Instead of the comments you trow around here sounding like you young or new to games.

     

  • AbrahmmAbrahmm Member Posts: 2,448
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    I don't think that I could disagree with the OP more. I already have a life and I don't need a second one. I already have a job and I don't need a second one.
    Having said all that..... I think that Yahtzee hit the nail on the head in his review of Farcry 2. A narrative sandbox game needs an overarching goal as well as a huge world to explore or else you lose any sense of accomplishment and stop caring. Now you can have the freedom of deciding how to go about that great big goal, but you still need something to accomplish. This goal need not be epic or anything, but it does need to make sense in the context of your character. Just like real life, our goals often depend on our circumstances.
    It's kind of like the design philosophy behind the upcoming Age of Decadence. Or maybe the original Deus EX would be a better example. Everything in the game has to be designed for multiple means of accomplishment while still being open ended enough for players to improvise means that the developers never considered. That's one tall order!
    At any rate, just shoving people out into the wild with nary a hint as to what they should, or could, be doing is a sure way to make those of us with jobs move on to something else in a hurry. I don't care if there are games like what the OP mentioned. But for me personally? My life really doesn't suck so bad that I have to escape it completely.



     

     I  feel it's very sad that we have people who for some reason pretend that those of us who want a virtual experience that we want a second life?, people who say that really have no clue what so ever and probably are either very young or just new to games and gamers.

    So if you reply to a topic make sure you understand that topic.

     

     

     

    Yep exactly. It's the FUN of living in an alternate world and setting, not the NEED to. Big difference.

    Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
    Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
    Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
    Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
    Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.

  • Moaky07Moaky07 Member Posts: 2,096
    Originally posted by Abrahmm

    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    I don't think that I could disagree with the OP more. I already have a life and I don't need a second one. I already have a job and I don't need a second one.
    Having said all that..... I think that Yahtzee hit the nail on the head in his review of Farcry 2. A narrative sandbox game needs an overarching goal as well as a huge world to explore or else you lose any sense of accomplishment and stop caring. Now you can have the freedom of deciding how to go about that great big goal, but you still need something to accomplish. This goal need not be epic or anything, but it does need to make sense in the context of your character. Just like real life, our goals often depend on our circumstances.
    It's kind of like the design philosophy behind the upcoming Age of Decadence. Or maybe the original Deus EX would be a better example. Everything in the game has to be designed for multiple means of accomplishment while still being open ended enough for players to improvise means that the developers never considered. That's one tall order!
    At any rate, just shoving people out into the wild with nary a hint as to what they should, or could, be doing is a sure way to make those of us with jobs move on to something else in a hurry. I don't care if there are games like what the OP mentioned. But for me personally? My life really doesn't suck so bad that I have to escape it completely.



     

     I  feel it's very sad that we have people who for some reason pretend that those of us who want a virtual experience that we want a second life?, people who say that really have no clue what so ever and probably are either very young or just new to games and gamers.

    So if you reply to a topic make sure you understand that topic.

     

     

     

    Yep exactly. It's the FUN of living in an alternate world and setting, not the NEED to. Big difference.

    And that is just what Jimmy is getting at....he doesnt want that in his gaming. Is it so hard to understand?

     

    And there goes Reklaw again...if someone doesnt agree with em it must be cause they are "young" or "new to gaming".

    Well here is one for ya Reklaw...you must have a screw loose if you cannot understand that most folks(young and old) dont want a total life in a game. I am 40 in RL, and I still think of someone that demands to be able to get so involved in a game along the lines of a Trekkie. Social misfits at their finest. Perhaps that is what is being demonstrated in their postings.

    YOu guys not only shoot for open worlds, you want RL classes to have meaning in a game.

    YOU cant have a loot-oriented game when tradeskillers are a playstyle on par with adventuring classes.

    Instead of letting that thought sink thru your craniums, you seek anyway possible to discount folks....trying your best to never acknowledge facts. The biggest fact being the folks that enjoy your depth of playstyle are but a speck of the MMO world.

    BTW...I couldnt agree with Jimmy more on his posting.

    And for the person mentioning DnD....although I never played PnP but once in the 80s, I sure dont remember tradeskiller as an option in any of the games I have played(BG series/NWN/NWN2/IWD series) based on it. So no clue why that would be part of these virtual RPGs you guys keep clamoring for.

     

     

    Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  • jadan2000jadan2000 Member UncommonPosts: 508

    i agree with teh OP. though i know that some people dont. they just want to play a video game. I would prefer both . i want the adventure and wild excitement of a video game, but i also would like the virtual experience to feel like im in another world. that in itself is adventurous. getting to know a land, its people, its cultures. becoming a some sort of hero or famous man over the course of my time.

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  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Moaky07


    And that is just what Jimmy is getting at....he doesnt want that in his gaming. Is it so hard to understand?
    Nope that is not hard to understand and I know there are plenty of games for him to enjoy those aspects he wants out of a game.

     
    And there goes Reklaw again...if someone doesnt agree with em it must be cause they are "young" or "new to gaming".
    Wrong you really seem not to understand what it is I say, it's not that he doesn't agree on what it is I said, it is that he didn't get what it is I meant.
    Well here is one for ya Reklaw...you must have a screw loose if you cannot understand that most folks(young and old) dont want a total life in a game.
    Funny you stil are NOT able to understand that I do not want a total life out of a game, you really fail to understand what it is I want.
    I am 40 in RL, and I still think of someone that demands to be able to get so involved in a game along the lines of a Trekkie. Social misfits at their finest. Perhaps that is what is being demonstrated in their postings.
    YOu guys not only shoot for open worlds, you want RL classes to have meaning in a game.
    Sorry you totaly oblivious about what we want seeing most of your reply's to this topic.
    YOU cant have a loot-oriented game when tradeskillers are a playstyle on par with adventuring classes.
    Instead of letting that thought sink thru your craniums, you seek anyway possible to discount folks....trying your best to never acknowledge facts. The biggest fact being the folks that enjoy your depth of playstyle are but a speck of the MMO world.
    BTW...I couldnt agree with Jimmy more on his posting.
    And for the person mentioning DnD....although I never played PnP but once in the 80s, I sure dont remember tradeskiller as an option in any of the games I have played(BG series/NWN/NWN2/IWD series) based on it. So no clue why that would be part of these virtual RPGs you guys keep clamoring for.
     
     



     

  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340

    I find it interesting the different stereotypes used to rationalize why someone would or would not like a sandbox mmo. I love the idea that somehow my life is void of experience and that I need this type of game to fill an empty void (that is what TV and alcohol are for. ) I also think age has nothing to do with why you might love virtual world type experiences. Just because we are lovers of sandbox experiences does not mean those that do not like them, do not get it or are to young.  

    We have heard the age 40 drop as if it some sort of benchmark of understanding.  As well as age held up as a shield of grand I get itness (that is not a real word but I like it). Well, I am 50 and the older I get the less I profess to know. The only wisdom that I gained is knowing I am not as wise as I thought I was when I was 30. The point I am making is there are tons of reasons to play escapist entertainment games, with none being more valid then any other. After all it is no different then playing checkers. A game no matter what form it takes removes you from your regular life experiences that is why humans love games so much. However, It is our time in life and we can do with it as we please. Different strokes for different folks so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby.

    No one has mention the main reason I play these games, creativity. I view these games, at their best, true artistic masterpieces. These worlds are a shared experience that cross continents and belief systems. What other expereince can you have that allows you the abiltiy to act creatively with a person from china, australia,  ireland, germany, and US. I have done this in raids in EQ2. Truely amazing. In reguards to age,  do think some younger gamers take this experience for granted.To me it is amazing! I mean I had a blip of light dancing back and forth on a black and white screen when I got my first video game system (1972 Magnovox Odyssey 2000). I am amazed at how far that has come.

    I love to be creative in a game world and to be able to alter the experience in ways that others can experience to. This maybe as simple as my house in EQ2 or an entire city like in SWG (pre-nge). I am an artist in rl I paint and teach. Yet I still love using that creativity in a virtual world. Why? My life is full, just accept this statement it is true. I am not trying to fill a void. Nope, it is simply fun and a challenge. Just like chess. I love these games and games like Ryzom,EQ2, SWG (pre-nge), Horizons, and others because they allow me freedom of creativity limited by the direction the developers feel the experience needs. Some have more freedom some less, that is what the developer decides with the game play.  I like and want more freedom because it challenge my, logic, intellect, social skills, sense of wonder, and yes creativity. These games are not passive experiences. They are alive and changing. Why would anyone have a problem with that? If you do just go play WOW (just kidding I love WoW played for 4 years). Creativity that is why I enjoy these games. You make a creative game I will probably support that effort. You make a creative game, that allows me to use my creativity, I will definitely support that effort.

     

  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Originally posted by jadan2000


    i agree with teh OP. though i know that some people dont. they just want to play a video game. I would prefer both . i want the adventure and wild excitement of a video game, but i also would like the virtual experience to feel like im in another world. that in itself is adventurous. getting to know a land, its people, its cultures. becoming a some sort of hero or famous man over the course of my time.

    Me too, because it is fun!

     

  • BarCrowBarCrow Member UncommonPosts: 2,195
    Originally posted by eccoton


    I find it interesting the different stereotypes used to rationalize why someone would or would not like a sandbox mmo. I love the idea that somehow my life is void of experience and that I need this type of game to fill an empty void (that is what TV and alcohol are for. ) I also think age has nothing to do with why you might love virtual world type experiences. Just because we are lovers of sandbox experiences does not mean those that do not like them, do not get it or are to young.  
    We have heard the age 40 drop as if it some sort of benchmark of understanding.  As well as age held up as a shield of grand I get itness (that is not a real word but I like it). Well, I am 50 and the older I get the less I profess to know. The only wisdom that I gained is knowing I am not as wise as I thought I was when I was 30. The point I am making is there are tons of reasons to play escapist entertainment games, with none being more valid then any other. After all it is no different then playing checkers. A game no matter what form it takes removes you from your regular life experiences that is why humans love games so much. However, It is our time in life and we can do with it as we please. Different strokes for different folks so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby.
    No one has mention the main reason I play these games, creativity. I view these games, at their best, true artistic masterpieces. These worlds are a shared experience that cross continents and belief systems. What other expereince can you have that allows you the abiltiy to act creatively with a person from china, australia,  ireland, germany, and US. I have done this in raids in EQ2. Truely amazing. In reguards to age,  do think some younger gamers take this experience for granted.To me it is amazing! I mean I had a blip of light dancing back and forth on a black and white screen when I got my first video game system (1972 Magnovox Odyssey 2000. I am amazed at how far that has come.
    I love to be creative in a game world and to be able to alter the experience in ways that others can experience to. This maybe as simple as my house in EQ2 or an entire city like in SWG (pre-nge). I am an artist in rl I paint and teach. Yet I still love using that creativity in a virtual world. Why? My life is full, just accept this statement it is true. I am not trying to fill a void. Nope, it is simply fun and a challenge. Just like chess. I love these games and games like Ryzom,EQ2, SWG (pre-nge), Horizons, and others because they allow me freedom of creativity limited by the direction the developers feel the experience needs. Some have more freedom some less, that is what the developer decides with the game play.  I like and want more freedom because it challenge my, logic, intellect, social skills, sense of wonder, and yes creativity. These games are not passive experiences. They are alive and changing. Why would anyone have a problem with that? If you do just go play WOW (just kidding I love WoW played for 4 years). Creativity that is that is why I enjoy these games. You make a creative game I will probably support that effort. You make a creative game, that allows me to use my creativity, I will definitely support that effort.
     

    Well said...I believe the older I get the more ignorant I become...although I try to keep up. ....and wow...the Odyssey..what a great system...and fond memories of  the origin of video games in my own little reality.

     

     edit:  I like all kinds of video games. I dislike the hate that goes on for one form or another...again..I like them all. Single player..MMos...mmos that play like single player...sandboxes...linear...combinations of both...a virtual experience..purely game experience...exploration ...action...crafting...and I'm just glad we have so many options available ..so we can mix and match and play as we want on any given day.   Maybe one day an MMorpg will come along that incorporates everybody's needs..I doubt it. SO until then...I'll just keep rotating a few games a month..so I don't get too bored...and play my usual main.

  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Originally posted by BarCrow


    Well said...I believe the older I get the more ignorant I become...although I try to keep up. ....and wow...the Odyssey..what a great system...and fond memories of  origin of video games in my life.



     

    Man that Odyssey 2000 was awesome. We huddled around an old black and white TV, I garbaged picked, in a musty basement. I never had more fun and definitely escaped reality doing so. So coming from that to playing with a worldwide player base, in a game like WOW, is truely an amazing experience. Boy I wish I could live 100 more years for no other reason to see what "virtual world gaming" will be like then. If I am lucky I will probably log into some game world the last day of my life and if really lucky get laid that day to.

  • BarCrowBarCrow Member UncommonPosts: 2,195
    Originally posted by eccoton

    Originally posted by BarCrow


    Well said...I believe the older I get the more ignorant I become...although I try to keep up. ....and wow...the Odyssey..what a great system...and fond memories of  origin of video games in my life.



     

    Man that Odyssey 2000 was awesome. We huddled around an old black and white TV, I garbaged picked, in a musty basement. I never had more fun and definitely escaped reality doing so. So coming from that to playing with a worldwide player base, in a game like WOW, is truely an amazing experience. Boy I wish I could live 100 more years for no other reason to see what "virtual world gaming" will be like then. If I am lucky I will probably log into some game world the last day of my life and if really lucky get laid that day to.

    I'm actually starting to mist up here.  Yes...I 've reflected often on the changes over my 4 decades...starting at pong...Odyssey...Odyssey 2..atari..then I thought the commodre 64 was the shite..even ZORK..a text adventure.....then blam... Nintendo. Now...through umpteen game systems since..neo-geo...turbographx.....a few more nintendos..segas..another atari...3do..playstations..xboxes..and PC advances...it blows my mind...still.  Maybe this is the true Elixir of Immortality...technology advancing to the point that our very essence and intellect can be digitized (or whatever..by that time) and uploaded into the "Afterlife: Online MMO". There better be some damn good IT by then. I don't want to burn in "hell" from a bad patch....and I better be able to give myself hair again.

  • DameonkDameonk Member UncommonPosts: 1,914

    I just want a game like UO again.

    "There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."

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