ok people stall the ball seriously. Lets just aggre to stop giving out to each other and let blakey have his delusions that people will call mgm or write or email them.
Sancher I personalily think that blakey is just out to ruin the name of sgw and cme. Blakey also must be upsaet about the ban from sgw offical forums. He needs to do more looking into it and stop people who are still interested in SGW fanboys.
Upset? Dude give your head a shake.
I'm damn proud to have been banned for questioning what the heck is going on and denouncing this shady stuff.
To try and say there's no connection is a complete joke. No one in their right mind believes that.
The guy is CEO and majority shareholder at CME, and running these other companies that will be totally dependant on the games CME makes (the turbine thing is BS, go contact Turbine and see what they have to say about it), and you people are trying to say there'll be no connection.
By all means though, go ahead and smear me now if you like. Stuff like that coming from deluded people isn't going to go far I assure you.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation.
Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP.
You can write to:
Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067
Or email to:
ccohen@mgm.com
Some other MGM contact emails:
mgmonline@mgm.com
4you@MGM.com
MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.
You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
Watch the dam mmoguls presentation before basically calling me a dam lier, in presentation it clearly mentions turbine and other companies getting involved. You clearly need to look into things more or don't even bother replying.
You don't think they would lie to make the scheme seem more legit? Wake up already. You're buying every little bit of garbage being fed to you by this head stuck in the sand crowd. I have watched it, and listed to a couple of other presentations, and read through multiple sites related to it. It's you that need to do some homework I assure you.
You're being totally naive thinking that your doing the right thing supporting the game and some of the staff.
But get this, and feel it bub, most of the staff are totally against what's going on too, and are trying desperately to get out now. If you were paying attention and reading between the lines when some statements have been made you'd know that. I've had it told to me in personal emails from a couple of them that were so full of emotion that it's one of the big reasons I'm angry about what's being done. Done to them, to us the fans, and to a game that deserved so much better.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation.
Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP.
You can write to:
Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067
Or email to:
ccohen@mgm.com
Some other MGM contact emails:
mgmonline@mgm.com
4you@MGM.com
MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.
You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
I have for one been doing my homework mate I have emailed turbine and other companies that they have mentioned will be coming on board.
I have also reported mmoguls as a possible scam, now as for CME the only link they have to mmoguls is gary whiting. Two different buisinesses acting independantly of each other if you bother to investigate the finer details.
Regardless of whether this is real or fake, this is the most interesting online game scandal I've seen in a couple of years or so. It's far better than the lackluster "some people in a guild had a fight and the guild broke up" nonsense that passes for a scandal in so many games.
I have also reported mmoguls as a possible scam, now as for CME the only link they have to mmoguls is gary whiting. Two different buisinesses acting independantly of each other if you bother to investigate the finer details.
He won't. Blakey has to prove his conspiracy.
The Federal Trade Commission has jurisdiction over this issue. You would have to be involved with the business, have been frauded and suffered monetary damages before you could file. There is another Federal entity that is responsible as well; the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Since you know, there are all these corporations involved and all this investment money and all that, right?
If you really plan on doing your homework, do it right. I give you a D for incomplete research.
Anyways guys I've had enough of this, I'll be replying no more to any of this and have basically already said my goodbyes on sgw forums. I might return or I might not, depends what happens next I guess.
I have for one been doing my homework mate I have emailed turbine and other companies that they have mentioned will be coming on board.
I have also reported mmoguls as a possible scam, now as for CME the only link they have to mmoguls is gary whiting. Two different buisinesses acting independantly of each other if you bother to investigate the finer details.
I think if you actually were thinking about what you're saying, you'd realize just how silly that sounds. As well, I know for a fact that if you had emailed Turbine you'd know the score. (Or maybe they just haven't got back to you yet?).
You don't know the harm you guys are doing now.
There are some good people at CME that were relying on the fans getting vocally against this to put a stop to it.
Just think about things for a sec. Detach yourselves from the little clique putting some of us down, and dancing on my grave because I was banned for talking about this issue, and really think about it..
How do you think a couple of us focused in on this so early? Do you think we just happened to be hanging out around MLM related sites and just happened upon the story? How do you think some of us got our hands on some of the evidence we did, and got our hands on it so quick? Do you think we're super sleuths?
What happened was that we were clued in by CME staffers trying to get the word out early and get the community aware.
They were actually believing that you guys would be upset, let CME know you were, and maybe the fact you were so upset might have some people rethink some things and get everything back on track proper like. They couldn't do it themselves because they were trying to keep their jobs at that point.
Right now they're sitting in stunned disbelief that so many of you just aren't getting the ramifications of all this, and are willing to let it all slide.
You guys let them down, and now you're just pouring salt in their wounds.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation.
Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP.
You can write to:
Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067
Or email to:
ccohen@mgm.com
Some other MGM contact emails:
mgmonline@mgm.com
4you@MGM.com
MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.
You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation. Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP. You can write to: Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067 Or email to: ccohen@mgm.com Some other MGM contact emails: mgmonline@mgm.com 4you@MGM.com MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late. You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
This isn't needed Blakey. Stop posting it now please. It's pathetic.
I have also reported mmoguls as a possible scam, now as for CME the only link they have to mmoguls is gary whiting. Two different buisinesses acting independantly of each other if you bother to investigate the finer details.
He won't. Blakey has to prove his conspiracy.
Also, the Federal Trade Commission has no jurisdiction over this issue. You would have to be involved with the business, have been frauded and suffered monetary damages before you could file, and by the way, the Federal entity that is responsible is the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Since you know, there are all these corporations involved and all this investment money and all that, right?
If you really plan on doing your homework, do it right. I give you a D for incomplete research.
In the U.S. it's the Federal Trade Commission that is one of the agencies responsible for the investigation of possible pyramid schemes.
Just to add fact, from the FTC website
"the Federal Trade Commission is just one among many agencies that have the authority to file suit to stop this type of fraud."
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation. Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP. You can write to: Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067 Or email to: ccohen@mgm.com Some other MGM contact emails: mgmonline@mgm.com 4you@MGM.com MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late. You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
This isn't needed Blakey. Stop posting it now please. It's pathetic.
Not so considering the number of people that have already used the info to write in. It's important to provide it, and since some are just spamming the thread to bury the info, it needs to keep being up where people will see it..
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation. Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP. You can write to: Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067 Or email to: ccohen@mgm.com Some other MGM contact emails: mgmonline@mgm.com 4you@MGM.com MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late. You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
This isn't needed Blakey. Stop posting it now please. It's pathetic.
Not so considering the number of people that have already used the info to write in. It's important to provide it, and since some are just spamming the thread to bury the info, it needs to keep being up where people will see it..
They were actually believing that you guys would be upset, let CME know you were, and maybe the fact you were so upset might have some people rethink some things and get everything back on track proper like. They couldn't do it themselves because they were trying to keep their jobs at that point. Right now they're sitting in stunned disbelief that so many of you just aren't getting the ramifications of all this, and are willing to let it all slide. You guys let them down, and now you're just pouring salt in their wounds.
Aww. How typical. An Ad Homin logical fallacy. Yes, it's blakey's turn to play the victim and claim he's been doing everything for the greater good of SGW. Let's all cheer for Blakey and congratulate him for the wonderful job he's been doing of exposing this awful awful catastrophe. I made a mistake, in stating the FTC is not responsible and admit that now and retract my previous statement.
Psst. You still get a D in homework for failing to provide links. Here's the FTC educational speech transcript on Pyramid Schemes: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm That's so you have the full information available to you.
FTC information: E-mail pyramid@ftc.gov to report pyramid schemes
They were actually believing that you guys would be upset, let CME know you were, and maybe the fact you were so upset might have some people rethink some things and get everything back on track proper like. They couldn't do it themselves because they were trying to keep their jobs at that point. Right now they're sitting in stunned disbelief that so many of you just aren't getting the ramifications of all this, and are willing to let it all slide. You guys let them down, and now you're just pouring salt in their wounds.
Aww. How typical. An Ad Homin logical fallacy. Yes, it's blakey's turn to play the victim and claim he's been doing everything for the greater good of SGW. Let's all cheer for Blakey and congratulate him for the wonderful job he's been doing of exposing this awful awful catastrophe. I made a mistake, in stating the FTC is not responsible and admit that now and retract my previous statement.
Psst. You still get a D in homework for failing to provide links. Here's the FTC educational speech transcript on Pyramid Schemes: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm That's so you have the full information available to you.
FTC information: E-mail pyramid@ftc.gov to report pyramid schemes
hehe, lady, I don't need anyone cheering for me. Unlike yourself and some others, I don't carry a nick from game to game, site to site, hoping to get some net fame. This nick is done for me for all intents and purposes, except in regards to helping to fight this, I won't be using it again and as I move on no one will know who I was. I'm not looking for anything. Just doing what I think is right.
I'm not inerested in getting into a war of words with you about your attitude problems.
My attitude problems? I'm not the naysayer here or in the IRC channel, "chum", you are. All of a sudden you pop in, drag up a lot of dirt in regards to this topic - we say you're full of crap, and you take an elitist stance on things. Sounds like YOUR attitude problems.
Originally posted by Infalible Needless to say, that is not my intention here. Half the points in your post prove nothing. For example, having two degrees holds no sway over your obvious ignorance in this situation. The inference that I'm stupid enough to actually buy that sort of off-point arguing insults me more than calling me an idiot frankly ;-)
I think I made my point more than once that I was not ignorant about the situation. I read the fine print, I read the rebuttals, and I put faith in what CME has told us (which is basically that this is all a load of crap and chill out). Yet people like yourself and Blakey keep carrying the "Naysayer's Torch" and spreading this stuff around. You know what hurts development studios? BAD PRESS and RUMORS - especially those that have already be debunked. But of course, everyone always wants to keep shoving the dirty laundry around and it HURTS the development of the game, and sorry Blakey it DOESN'T HELP.
Attitudes like this can (and probably will) cause permanent damage to the development of the game, to the employees of CME, and to those entities that invested in it.
Originally posted by Infalible I said nothing on SGW, nothing on TTH but couldn't help telling you all to shut up here.
No, you came into the community IRC yesterday and started in on the valued members with all this bunk and your elitist attitude. Then you come here today and started here as well.
You never told anyone to shut up - you just stoked a fire that should have been put out a long time ago.
Now, I can spout your freedom of speech nonsense here like you did in IRC yesterday... how does that sound?
No, better yet, I'll prove that I'm NOT ignorant on the subject and try not to hide behind some non-existent "freedom of speech" clause that clearly does not exist in on a privately owned and operated forum or IRC.
Save your silly little attempts at veiled threats to try and shut people up. I'm most assuredly not afraid, and definitely not impressed..
Anyway, I know most of the people you're talking about. You guys need to clue in about thinking you know everyone, and where the truly stand, in your little IRC channels. Even the ones some think are private.
There's nothing been said by me or anyone else that isn't out there plain as day for anyone that looks to see.
Besides, if all of "these people" are so confident that it's no big deal. That there's no issue. Then why would they be mad at me?
Wouldn't they be confident that it'll just go away? Wouldn't they be sure that if / when the FTC or any other government agency looks into these "business" dealings they'll find nothing wrong? Wouldn't they be positive that MGM won't have a problem with this stuff? Why be mad at one person tucked away in a very lightly visited section of a very large site talking about the issue?
It would seem to me that people lashing out at me is a definite sign that deep down they know something "wrong" is going on, but don't want any attention being drawn to it. That they want it covered up. That, or maybe some are actually members of this "plan" already and are simply trying to protect their interests?
Maybe some should look a bit deeper to a point past that and get in touch with some other things. Things that are far more important than a game coming out. Things like decency, honesty, integrity, etc.
We'll just skip talking about the irony of someone who's also using an anonymous nickname calling another a coward for doing so. While informing them that there's people out there that want to do bodily harm to them while doing so no less.
Save your silly little attempts at veiled threats to try and shut people up. I'm most assuredly not afraid, and definitely not impressed.. Anyway, I know most of the people you're talking about. You guys need to clue in about thinking you know everyone, and where the truly stand, in your little IRC channels. Even the ones some think are private. There's nothing been said by me or anyone else that isn't out there plain as day for anyone that looks to see. Besides, if all of "these people" are so confident that it's no big deal. That there's no issue. Then why would they be mad at me? Wouldn't they be confident that it'll just go away? Wouldn't they be sure that if / when the FTC or any other government agency looks into these "business" dealings they'll find nothing wrong? Wouldn't they be positive that MGM won't have a problem with this stuff? Why be mad at one person tucked away in a very lightly visited section of a very large site talking about the issue? It would seem to me that people lashing out at me is a definite sign that deep down they know something "wrong" is going on, but don't want any attention being drawn to it. That they want it covered up. That, or maybe some are actually members of this "plan" already and are simply trying to protect their interests? Maybe some should look a bit deeper to a point past that and get in touch with some other things. Things that are far more important than a game coming out. Things like decency, honesty, integrity, etc. We'll just skip talking about the irony of someone who's also using an anonymous nickname calling another a coward for doing so. While informing them that there's people out there that want to do bodily harm to them while doing so no less.
.....and maybe too your just plainly full of nothing but hot air and people should just learn to ignore you.
My attitude problems? I'm not the naysayer here or in the IRC channel, "chum", you are. All of a sudden you pop in, drag up a lot of dirt in regards to this topic - we say you're full of crap, and you take an elitist stance on things. Sounds like YOUR attitude problems.
Let me clarify here because you obviously didn't read my initial post. I am not a naysayer. I am a realist that accepts bad things happen to good people, regardless of how badly I don't want them to. Also, I've been in that irc channel many times before and on top of that, my comments were simply retorts to Aaron at the time, who then proceeded to try to insult me with you at his side waving your fist like a playground bully.
Originally posted by Altos I think I made my point more than once that I was not ignorant about the situation. I read the fine print, I read the rebuttals, and I put faith in what CME has told us (which is basically that this is all a load of crap and chill out). Yet people like yourself and Blakey keep carrying the "Naysayer's Torch" and spreading this stuff around. You know what hurts development studios? BAD PRESS and RUMORS - especially those that have already be debunked. But of course, everyone always wants to keep shoving the dirty laundry around and it HURTS the development of the game, and sorry Blakey it DOESN'T HELP. Attitudes like this can (and probably will) cause permanent damage to the development of the game, to the employees of CME, and to those entities that invested in it.
You didn't make your point. You stated that you would provide links debunking every lie and blasphemous comment made against CME and yet you haven't done that. You wrote a paragraph of hate at me, that contained mostly unrelated comments about how smart you are and then tried to pass that off as a successful attempt at debunking my opinion.
There is such a thing as Free Press. In the Western world, it is generally allowed to report what it wants, provided there is a reason behind it. In this situation, there is a valid reason why you would tie CME into all of this and if you can't see that, I'm sorry. In this situation, TTH had a right to bring this story forward and had a right due to the fact that there are actual facts surrounding this whole thing.
Originally posted by Altos No, you came into the community IRC yesterday and started in on the valued members with all this bunk and your elitist attitude. Then you come here today and started here as well. You never told anyone to shut up - you just stoked a fire that should have been put out a long time ago. Now, I can spout your freedom of speech nonsense here like you did in IRC yesterday... how does that sound? No, better yet, I'll prove that I'm NOT ignorant on the subject and try not to hide behind some non-existent "freedom of speech" clause that clearly does not exist in on a privately owned and operated forum or IRC.
I came into irc, saw Aaron make some rash comments about physically harming people and then proceeded to pitch my own opinion on the situation which was that I want the game to succeed but - unlike the majority of that channel - I accept that it may well not at this moment in time. I was then set up by yourself and Aaron, as you began the name calling and insulting. What you basically say above is, "you don't share my opinion so I'm going to have you banned." Yet again, you prove the attitude problem.
Now the thing is CME have not released any hard facts at all on their financial situation to anyone so that in itself is purely speculation.
Now if sony was to ever take over stargate worlds that would surely kill it off, look what they did to starwars galaxies.
Certainly it's never been said in a press release. It is, however, information that was given to CME employees and those that worked there. Plenty of those employees have friends. Plenty of those employees have already quit or left in disgust or are just disgusted over everything going on and they talk. Some of them, or their friends, or those they've talked to, inevitably talk here.
Think about it. Speculation, it is not.
No I do believe it is speculation. Unless you have some inside knowledge into CME devs leaving then stop faning the flames of rumor. Some of use want this game to come out you know.
It isn't speculation, when interviewed last year CME confirmed it was having trouble paying staff and declined to deny the allegations or go into detail on the subject. Also the site is still up claiming that staff are still yet to be paid at CME!
As to this MMOGULS business a mod denied it on thier website, however it looks pretty fishy when you analyze the facts.
CME is skint, FACT!
MMOGULS operates from the same building as CME, FACT!
MMOGULS is certain that Gary Whiting a major shareholder in CME is working with them to bring SGW to thier range of products, FACT!
Gary Whiting has niether denied nor confirmed this, FACT!
Gary Whitings office is down the hallway from MMOGULS, FACT!
So it's either an elaborate and expensive front set up to slander Gary Whiting and SGW, or two companies that occupy the same building that are in the same industry are working together to increase eachothers profits.
I don't see anything wrong in what MMOGULS is doing by setting up some kind of station pass that has other non-MMORPGs in with it. If Gary Whiting thinks it'll help increase sales and pay his staff why not? However since I'm an SWG vet and have found out Sony owns MGM I'll have to give SGW a miss, wouldn't suprise me if it ended up as a microtransaction game on station pass with a new patch to make it more "Stargatsey!".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I don't see anything wrong in what MMOGULS is doing by setting up some kind of station pass that has other non-MMORPGs in with it. If Gary Whiting thinks it'll help increase sales and pay his staff why not? However since I'm an SWG vet and have found out Sony owns MGM I'll have to give SGW a miss, wouldn't suprise me if it ended up as a microtransaction game on station pass with a new patch to make it more "Stargatsey!".
Just to clarify a couple of things, no offence meant though.
It's no longer up for debate about GW's involvement in mmoguls. The guy is apparently giving presentations on it to prospective members.
As well mmoguls has nothing to do with anything like a "station pass". It won't be selling, distributing, or making anything real.
It's totally about getting people (from the looks of it mostly players of some game that they don't name, but when hearing about leaves little doubt as to what game they're talking about) to buy memberships, and to buy in at higher membership levels at that. This with the promise of exorbitant income completely based on those people/players recruiting more members at the higher buy ins, which in turn need to go out and recruit, and on and on ..., and convoluted bonus systems that are based on the same thing. All the while having most of the money flow up the "pyramid" toward the top, and guess who's at the top?
It's all laid out in a way very similar to what MLM watchdog groups, the FTC, and other government organizations, advise people to look out for when determining if they're dealing with an illegal pyramid scheme.
The thing about all this still is that some are mad at those of us that are talking about this issue, but we didn't do anything but bring it to public attention. Anyone that doubts what I'm saying, or what anyone else is saying that is concerned about this, can do the fact checking for themselves and make up their own minds.
First just look into who owns these companies and where they're located.
Then go to the mymmoguls site, or a number of other MLM related ones, and look at the presentation for mmoguls. As well you can listen to the presentation given by GW himself. It's out there for anyone to find. The thing is though, one has to look at and listen to these things objectively. Not look at them with a fanboi bias not wanting to believe something is up and just looking for ways to explain it away. Pay attention to the language used, and what is plainly said without coming right out and naming a specific game or other companies involved.
That one was hard for me to do at first. Despite what some pretty wicked and mean spirited people (imagine the type of person that threatens bodily harm to another over issues surrounding a game. That should be all one needs to determine what type of people are being dealt with here. That's crazy person stuff isn't it?) are trying to drum up now, I've always been a big supporter of the game. In fact a bigger supporter than a lot of others that are now attacking me, and I took heat over at the SGW forums, and here as a matter of fact, for showing that support. Sure I had trepidations about some design decisions made, but that's normal for anyone following a game in development. Yes I spoke about what I thought, but that should be considered normal as well. Unfortunately, a lot of these people over at SGW think questioning any decisions is akin to blasphemy and the heretic needs to be burned at the stake. So after I did start paying attention with an objective eye and ear, and say what I believe I see, and others did the same thing, now they've circled the wagons, so to speak, even tighter, and anyone mentioning what's going on is a troll that's out to ruin the game.
OK I didn't know it was a pyramid scheme, that would account for the extremely high prices they were throwing about on thier website. I saw Gary Whiting mentioned as being a speaker at a conference, but didn't know if it was confirmed he was there or involved.
Well I'm not sure exactly to the legality of pyramid schemes, I remember alot as a child but think they must've been banned in the U.K in the early 80's as they all disappeared around then. I'd guess they're also illegal in the E.U and probably NA. If he's involved with that he must be either desperate or crazy or both!
I do know that CME is shit broke right now and looking for investors, but with the economic crisis I think they'll have to push an early release in order to pay wages. It has been confirmed they've been laying off staff since the article and things are looking bad financially. But to get involved with a pyramid scheme? This would mean Gary Whiting is praying upon the poor and desperate to try and pay his bills, rather unethical in mmy opinion unless he worked at SOE!
I understand some people don't want to even talk about the game they're waiting on getting involved with this and the company being broke. I like the look of SGW and wouldn't want it to go to hell, just that it seems CME has hit very hard times and will be forced to push the release forward. It just points out that all these games are made by companys that wish to make a profit, fans usually see that MMORPG company as somehow above that kind of thing and that they're making it for them and not for thier money.
I hope Gary Whiting makes a statement about this and lets us all know what his exact personal dealings are with MMOGULS, as it is effecting CME. Also I'd like to know what they're doing about thier cash flow crisis, have they got the new investors they were looking for last year or is the site correct in that they've still not paid staff?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
There is a difference between a pyamid scheme and a normal mlm setup, illegal setup would actually have no cutoff point for you to earn money yet mlm only allows so many levels deep. I used to be involved in mlm many years ago so I know the major differences.
Now as confirming employees not being paid, what you linked doesn't even confirm it or deny it so I think its pointless to read into it what you want.
I think that the employees are being paid in that there are some job openings available.
However, when reviewing those positions with the title and requirements, I think the pay is going to be... below average for the title. 6 years of experience makes for a Senior Engineer? And then add in the broad range (not only must know C, but also assembly, and one or more of the following; client, graphics, simulation, AI, gameplay, server, or communications programming programming. AND must also be a modeler).
As for an Orcle Database Administrator.... that's going to be tough to get one, well maybe not, only needs 3 years of experience with no education background.
Back if you want to know how well a company is doing, apply and seek an interview. During the interview, you ask the questions.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
I hope Gary Whiting makes a statement about this and lets us all know what his exact personal dealings are with MMOGULS, as it is effecting CME.
Perhaps his silence tells more than his words would.
I won't say the guy is guilty of this stuff or not.
Bu I will say, if it was myself and all of this was floating around about me and I wasn't guilty of it, I'd have already made sure it was cleared up fast.
There is a difference between a pyamid scheme and a normal mlm setup, illegal setup would actually have no cutoff point for you to earn money yet mlm only allows so many levels deep. I used to be involved in mlm many years ago so I know the major differences. Now as confirming employees not being paid, what you linked doesn't even confirm it or deny it so I think its pointless to read into it what you want.
Actually it does, When approached and asked about the "Days since Cheyenne mountain employees have been paid" website Kevin Balentine CME PR manager said,
"At Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, we have always been upfront with the media and our fans that we are a start-up," said Balentine. "Like many start ups, we face the same cash-flow issues that all pre-revenue companies face."
he went on to say,
"but the new economic realities are forcing us to seek out additional sources of funding, and that’s what we’re doing."
So when asked about the rumours he refused to deny or confirm, now if it was false he would've denied it immediately yes? But he didn't.
He went on to state that the company has a "cash flow issues" which in plain English means "We are running out of money or are broke."
He then went on to say that the "new economic realities are forcing us to seek additional sources of funding". Translated it means "The economic crisis has hit and we are shit broke so are scounging around for cash to keep afloat".
Also it is a fact that they've been firing staff since atleast December before this so called rumour began. I'm not reading into anything, he refused to deny claims they hadn't paid staff then went on to say they have cash flow problems and need new investors. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know the so called rumour is now a fact due to CME lack of denial when asked, then thier confirmation they're in financial troubles alongside layoffs. I also wonder how they'll managed to publish the game themselves if they can't even pay staff?
If you still think it niether confirms or denys it, what do you think he says? Also why do you think when given the chance he didn't put an end to a vicious rumour that CME wasn't paying staff? Then why did he go on to admit to financial difficulties?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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ok people stall the ball seriously. Lets just aggre to stop giving out to each other and let blakey have his delusions that people will call mgm or write or email them.
Sancher I personalily think that blakey is just out to ruin the name of sgw and cme. Blakey also must be upsaet about the ban from sgw offical forums. He needs to do more looking into it and stop people who are still interested in SGW fanboys.
Upset? Dude give your head a shake.
I'm damn proud to have been banned for questioning what the heck is going on and denouncing this shady stuff.
To try and say there's no connection is a complete joke. No one in their right mind believes that.
The guy is CEO and majority shareholder at CME, and running these other companies that will be totally dependant on the games CME makes (the turbine thing is BS, go contact Turbine and see what they have to say about it), and you people are trying to say there'll be no connection.
By all means though, go ahead and smear me now if you like. Stuff like that coming from deluded people isn't going to go far I assure you.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation.
Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP.
You can write to:
Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067
Or email to:
ccohen@mgm.com
Some other MGM contact emails:
mgmonline@mgm.com
4you@MGM.com
MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.
You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
Watch the dam mmoguls presentation before basically calling me a dam lier, in presentation it clearly mentions turbine and other companies getting involved. You clearly need to look into things more or don't even bother replying.
You don't think they would lie to make the scheme seem more legit? Wake up already. You're buying every little bit of garbage being fed to you by this head stuck in the sand crowd. I have watched it, and listed to a couple of other presentations, and read through multiple sites related to it. It's you that need to do some homework I assure you.
You're being totally naive thinking that your doing the right thing supporting the game and some of the staff.
But get this, and feel it bub, most of the staff are totally against what's going on too, and are trying desperately to get out now. If you were paying attention and reading between the lines when some statements have been made you'd know that. I've had it told to me in personal emails from a couple of them that were so full of emotion that it's one of the big reasons I'm angry about what's being done. Done to them, to us the fans, and to a game that deserved so much better.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation.
Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP.
You can write to:
Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067
Or email to:
ccohen@mgm.com
Some other MGM contact emails:
mgmonline@mgm.com
4you@MGM.com
MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.
You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
I have for one been doing my homework mate
I have emailed turbine and other companies that they have mentioned will be coming on board.
I have also reported mmoguls as a possible scam, now as for CME the only link they have to mmoguls is gary whiting. Two different buisinesses acting independantly of each other if you bother to investigate the finer details.
Regardless of whether this is real or fake, this is the most interesting online game scandal I've seen in a couple of years or so. It's far better than the lackluster "some people in a guild had a fight and the guild broke up" nonsense that passes for a scandal in so many games.
He won't. Blakey has to prove his conspiracy.
The Federal Trade Commission has jurisdiction over this issue. You would have to be involved with the business, have been frauded and suffered monetary damages before you could file. There is another Federal entity that is responsible as well; the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Since you know, there are all these corporations involved and all this investment money and all that, right?
If you really plan on doing your homework, do it right. I give you a D for incomplete research.
Anyways guys I've had enough of this, I'll be replying no more to any of this and have basically already said my goodbyes on sgw forums. I might return or I might not, depends what happens next I guess.
I have for one been doing my homework mate
I have emailed turbine and other companies that they have mentioned will be coming on board.
I have also reported mmoguls as a possible scam, now as for CME the only link they have to mmoguls is gary whiting. Two different buisinesses acting independantly of each other if you bother to investigate the finer details.
I think if you actually were thinking about what you're saying, you'd realize just how silly that sounds. As well, I know for a fact that if you had emailed Turbine you'd know the score. (Or maybe they just haven't got back to you yet?).
You don't know the harm you guys are doing now.
There are some good people at CME that were relying on the fans getting vocally against this to put a stop to it.
Just think about things for a sec. Detach yourselves from the little clique putting some of us down, and dancing on my grave because I was banned for talking about this issue, and really think about it..
How do you think a couple of us focused in on this so early? Do you think we just happened to be hanging out around MLM related sites and just happened upon the story? How do you think some of us got our hands on some of the evidence we did, and got our hands on it so quick? Do you think we're super sleuths?
What happened was that we were clued in by CME staffers trying to get the word out early and get the community aware.
They were actually believing that you guys would be upset, let CME know you were, and maybe the fact you were so upset might have some people rethink some things and get everything back on track proper like. They couldn't do it themselves because they were trying to keep their jobs at that point.
Right now they're sitting in stunned disbelief that so many of you just aren't getting the ramifications of all this, and are willing to let it all slide.
You guys let them down, and now you're just pouring salt in their wounds.
Again. For anyone that isn't being a sheep and is seeing what's happening clearly, or If you're a mmo fan that's disgusted with this situation.
Express their concern over The Stargate IP being used in this manner to MGM, the owner of the Stargate IP.
You can write to:
Charles E. Cohen
Senior Executive Vice President
MGM Finance and Corporate Development
MGM Television Entertainment
10250 Constellation Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA, 90067
Or email to:
ccohen@mgm.com
Some other MGM contact emails:
mgmonline@mgm.com
4you@MGM.com
MGM might need a wake up call as to just how their property is being used before it's too late.
You can also contact the Federal Trade Commission from anywhere in the U.S.and express your concern about things regarding this as well.
This isn't needed Blakey. Stop posting it now please. It's pathetic.
http://www.themmoquest.com - MMO commentary from an overly angry brit. OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED!
He won't. Blakey has to prove his conspiracy.
Also, the Federal Trade Commission has no jurisdiction over this issue. You would have to be involved with the business, have been frauded and suffered monetary damages before you could file, and by the way, the Federal entity that is responsible is the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Since you know, there are all these corporations involved and all this investment money and all that, right?
If you really plan on doing your homework, do it right. I give you a D for incomplete research.
In the U.S. it's the Federal Trade Commission that is one of the agencies responsible for the investigation of possible pyramid schemes.
Just to add fact, from the FTC website
"the Federal Trade Commission is just one among many agencies that have the authority to file suit to stop this type of fraud."
it isnt?
This isn't needed Blakey. Stop posting it now please. It's pathetic.
Not so considering the number of people that have already used the info to write in. It's important to provide it, and since some are just spamming the thread to bury the info, it needs to keep being up where people will see it..
This isn't needed Blakey. Stop posting it now please. It's pathetic.
Not so considering the number of people that have already used the info to write in. It's important to provide it, and since some are just spamming the thread to bury the info, it needs to keep being up where people will see it..
But the thing is we dont give a feck about that.
Aww. How typical. An Ad Homin logical fallacy. Yes, it's blakey's turn to play the victim and claim he's been doing everything for the greater good of SGW. Let's all cheer for Blakey and congratulate him for the wonderful job he's been doing of exposing this awful awful catastrophe. I made a mistake, in stating the FTC is not responsible and admit that now and retract my previous statement.
Psst. You still get a D in homework for failing to provide links. Here's the FTC educational speech transcript on Pyramid Schemes: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm That's so you have the full information available to you.
FTC information: E-mail pyramid@ftc.gov to report pyramid schemes
But the thing is we dont give a feck about that.
Obviously not, but others do.
Aww. How typical. An Ad Homin logical fallacy. Yes, it's blakey's turn to play the victim and claim he's been doing everything for the greater good of SGW. Let's all cheer for Blakey and congratulate him for the wonderful job he's been doing of exposing this awful awful catastrophe. I made a mistake, in stating the FTC is not responsible and admit that now and retract my previous statement.
Psst. You still get a D in homework for failing to provide links. Here's the FTC educational speech transcript on Pyramid Schemes: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm That's so you have the full information available to you.
FTC information: E-mail pyramid@ftc.gov to report pyramid schemes
hehe, lady, I don't need anyone cheering for me. Unlike yourself and some others, I don't carry a nick from game to game, site to site, hoping to get some net fame. This nick is done for me for all intents and purposes, except in regards to helping to fight this, I won't be using it again and as I move on no one will know who I was. I'm not looking for anything. Just doing what I think is right.
My attitude problems? I'm not the naysayer here or in the IRC channel, "chum", you are. All of a sudden you pop in, drag up a lot of dirt in regards to this topic - we say you're full of crap, and you take an elitist stance on things. Sounds like YOUR attitude problems.
I think I made my point more than once that I was not ignorant about the situation. I read the fine print, I read the rebuttals, and I put faith in what CME has told us (which is basically that this is all a load of crap and chill out). Yet people like yourself and Blakey keep carrying the "Naysayer's Torch" and spreading this stuff around. You know what hurts development studios? BAD PRESS and RUMORS - especially those that have already be debunked. But of course, everyone always wants to keep shoving the dirty laundry around and it HURTS the development of the game, and sorry Blakey it DOESN'T HELP.
Attitudes like this can (and probably will) cause permanent damage to the development of the game, to the employees of CME, and to those entities that invested in it.
No, you came into the community IRC yesterday and started in on the valued members with all this bunk and your elitist attitude. Then you come here today and started here as well.
You never told anyone to shut up - you just stoked a fire that should have been put out a long time ago.
Now, I can spout your freedom of speech nonsense here like you did in IRC yesterday... how does that sound?
No, better yet, I'll prove that I'm NOT ignorant on the subject and try not to hide behind some non-existent "freedom of speech" clause that clearly does not exist in on a privately owned and operated forum or IRC.
Save your silly little attempts at veiled threats to try and shut people up. I'm most assuredly not afraid, and definitely not impressed..
Anyway, I know most of the people you're talking about. You guys need to clue in about thinking you know everyone, and where the truly stand, in your little IRC channels. Even the ones some think are private.
There's nothing been said by me or anyone else that isn't out there plain as day for anyone that looks to see.
Besides, if all of "these people" are so confident that it's no big deal. That there's no issue. Then why would they be mad at me?
Wouldn't they be confident that it'll just go away? Wouldn't they be sure that if / when the FTC or any other government agency looks into these "business" dealings they'll find nothing wrong? Wouldn't they be positive that MGM won't have a problem with this stuff? Why be mad at one person tucked away in a very lightly visited section of a very large site talking about the issue?
It would seem to me that people lashing out at me is a definite sign that deep down they know something "wrong" is going on, but don't want any attention being drawn to it. That they want it covered up. That, or maybe some are actually members of this "plan" already and are simply trying to protect their interests?
Maybe some should look a bit deeper to a point past that and get in touch with some other things. Things that are far more important than a game coming out. Things like decency, honesty, integrity, etc.
We'll just skip talking about the irony of someone who's also using an anonymous nickname calling another a coward for doing so. While informing them that there's people out there that want to do bodily harm to them while doing so no less.
.....and maybe too your just plainly full of nothing but hot air and people should just learn to ignore you.
Let me clarify here because you obviously didn't read my initial post. I am not a naysayer. I am a realist that accepts bad things happen to good people, regardless of how badly I don't want them to. Also, I've been in that irc channel many times before and on top of that, my comments were simply retorts to Aaron at the time, who then proceeded to try to insult me with you at his side waving your fist like a playground bully.
You didn't make your point. You stated that you would provide links debunking every lie and blasphemous comment made against CME and yet you haven't done that. You wrote a paragraph of hate at me, that contained mostly unrelated comments about how smart you are and then tried to pass that off as a successful attempt at debunking my opinion.
There is such a thing as Free Press. In the Western world, it is generally allowed to report what it wants, provided there is a reason behind it. In this situation, there is a valid reason why you would tie CME into all of this and if you can't see that, I'm sorry. In this situation, TTH had a right to bring this story forward and had a right due to the fact that there are actual facts surrounding this whole thing.
I came into irc, saw Aaron make some rash comments about physically harming people and then proceeded to pitch my own opinion on the situation which was that I want the game to succeed but - unlike the majority of that channel - I accept that it may well not at this moment in time. I was then set up by yourself and Aaron, as you began the name calling and insulting. What you basically say above is, "you don't share my opinion so I'm going to have you banned." Yet again, you prove the attitude problem.
http://www.themmoquest.com - MMO commentary from an overly angry brit. OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED!
Now the thing is CME have not released any hard facts at all on their financial situation to anyone so that in itself is purely speculation.
Now if sony was to ever take over stargate worlds that would surely kill it off, look what they did to starwars galaxies.
Certainly it's never been said in a press release. It is, however, information that was given to CME employees and those that worked there. Plenty of those employees have friends. Plenty of those employees have already quit or left in disgust or are just disgusted over everything going on and they talk. Some of them, or their friends, or those they've talked to, inevitably talk here.
Think about it. Speculation, it is not.
No I do believe it is speculation. Unless you have some inside knowledge into CME devs leaving then stop faning the flames of rumor. Some of use want this game to come out you know.
It isn't speculation, when interviewed last year CME confirmed it was having trouble paying staff and declined to deny the allegations or go into detail on the subject. Also the site is still up claiming that staff are still yet to be paid at CME!
As to this MMOGULS business a mod denied it on thier website, however it looks pretty fishy when you analyze the facts.
CME is skint, FACT!
MMOGULS operates from the same building as CME, FACT!
MMOGULS is certain that Gary Whiting a major shareholder in CME is working with them to bring SGW to thier range of products, FACT!
Gary Whiting has niether denied nor confirmed this, FACT!
Gary Whitings office is down the hallway from MMOGULS, FACT!
So it's either an elaborate and expensive front set up to slander Gary Whiting and SGW, or two companies that occupy the same building that are in the same industry are working together to increase eachothers profits.
I don't see anything wrong in what MMOGULS is doing by setting up some kind of station pass that has other non-MMORPGs in with it. If Gary Whiting thinks it'll help increase sales and pay his staff why not? However since I'm an SWG vet and have found out Sony owns MGM I'll have to give SGW a miss, wouldn't suprise me if it ended up as a microtransaction game on station pass with a new patch to make it more "Stargatsey!".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Just to clarify a couple of things, no offence meant though.
It's no longer up for debate about GW's involvement in mmoguls. The guy is apparently giving presentations on it to prospective members.
As well mmoguls has nothing to do with anything like a "station pass". It won't be selling, distributing, or making anything real.
It's totally about getting people (from the looks of it mostly players of some game that they don't name, but when hearing about leaves little doubt as to what game they're talking about) to buy memberships, and to buy in at higher membership levels at that. This with the promise of exorbitant income completely based on those people/players recruiting more members at the higher buy ins, which in turn need to go out and recruit, and on and on ..., and convoluted bonus systems that are based on the same thing. All the while having most of the money flow up the "pyramid" toward the top, and guess who's at the top?
It's all laid out in a way very similar to what MLM watchdog groups, the FTC, and other government organizations, advise people to look out for when determining if they're dealing with an illegal pyramid scheme.
The thing about all this still is that some are mad at those of us that are talking about this issue, but we didn't do anything but bring it to public attention. Anyone that doubts what I'm saying, or what anyone else is saying that is concerned about this, can do the fact checking for themselves and make up their own minds.
First just look into who owns these companies and where they're located.
Then go to the mymmoguls site, or a number of other MLM related ones, and look at the presentation for mmoguls. As well you can listen to the presentation given by GW himself. It's out there for anyone to find. The thing is though, one has to look at and listen to these things objectively. Not look at them with a fanboi bias not wanting to believe something is up and just looking for ways to explain it away. Pay attention to the language used, and what is plainly said without coming right out and naming a specific game or other companies involved.
That one was hard for me to do at first. Despite what some pretty wicked and mean spirited people (imagine the type of person that threatens bodily harm to another over issues surrounding a game. That should be all one needs to determine what type of people are being dealt with here. That's crazy person stuff isn't it?) are trying to drum up now, I've always been a big supporter of the game. In fact a bigger supporter than a lot of others that are now attacking me, and I took heat over at the SGW forums, and here as a matter of fact, for showing that support. Sure I had trepidations about some design decisions made, but that's normal for anyone following a game in development. Yes I spoke about what I thought, but that should be considered normal as well. Unfortunately, a lot of these people over at SGW think questioning any decisions is akin to blasphemy and the heretic needs to be burned at the stake. So after I did start paying attention with an objective eye and ear, and say what I believe I see, and others did the same thing, now they've circled the wagons, so to speak, even tighter, and anyone mentioning what's going on is a troll that's out to ruin the game.
OK I didn't know it was a pyramid scheme, that would account for the extremely high prices they were throwing about on thier website. I saw Gary Whiting mentioned as being a speaker at a conference, but didn't know if it was confirmed he was there or involved.
Well I'm not sure exactly to the legality of pyramid schemes, I remember alot as a child but think they must've been banned in the U.K in the early 80's as they all disappeared around then. I'd guess they're also illegal in the E.U and probably NA. If he's involved with that he must be either desperate or crazy or both!
I do know that CME is shit broke right now and looking for investors, but with the economic crisis I think they'll have to push an early release in order to pay wages. It has been confirmed they've been laying off staff since the article and things are looking bad financially. But to get involved with a pyramid scheme? This would mean Gary Whiting is praying upon the poor and desperate to try and pay his bills, rather unethical in mmy opinion unless he worked at SOE!
I understand some people don't want to even talk about the game they're waiting on getting involved with this and the company being broke. I like the look of SGW and wouldn't want it to go to hell, just that it seems CME has hit very hard times and will be forced to push the release forward. It just points out that all these games are made by companys that wish to make a profit, fans usually see that MMORPG company as somehow above that kind of thing and that they're making it for them and not for thier money.
I hope Gary Whiting makes a statement about this and lets us all know what his exact personal dealings are with MMOGULS, as it is effecting CME. Also I'd like to know what they're doing about thier cash flow crisis, have they got the new investors they were looking for last year or is the site correct in that they've still not paid staff?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
There is a difference between a pyamid scheme and a normal mlm setup, illegal setup would actually have no cutoff point for you to earn money yet mlm only allows so many levels deep. I used to be involved in mlm many years ago so I know the major differences.
Now as confirming employees not being paid, what you linked doesn't even confirm it or deny it so I think its pointless to read into it what you want.
I think that the employees are being paid in that there are some job openings available.
However, when reviewing those positions with the title and requirements, I think the pay is going to be... below average for the title. 6 years of experience makes for a Senior Engineer? And then add in the broad range (not only must know C, but also assembly, and one or more of the following; client, graphics, simulation, AI, gameplay, server, or communications programming programming. AND must also be a modeler).
As for an Orcle Database Administrator.... that's going to be tough to get one, well maybe not, only needs 3 years of experience with no education background.
Back if you want to know how well a company is doing, apply and seek an interview. During the interview, you ask the questions.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Perhaps his silence tells more than his words would.
I won't say the guy is guilty of this stuff or not.
Bu I will say, if it was myself and all of this was floating around about me and I wasn't guilty of it, I'd have already made sure it was cleared up fast.
Actually it does, When approached and asked about the "Days since Cheyenne mountain employees have been paid" website Kevin Balentine CME PR manager said,
"At Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, we have always been upfront with the media and our fans that we are a start-up," said Balentine. "Like many start ups, we face the same cash-flow issues that all pre-revenue companies face."
he went on to say,
"but the new economic realities are forcing us to seek out additional sources of funding, and that’s what we’re doing."
So when asked about the rumours he refused to deny or confirm, now if it was false he would've denied it immediately yes? But he didn't.
He went on to state that the company has a "cash flow issues" which in plain English means "We are running out of money or are broke."
He then went on to say that the "new economic realities are forcing us to seek additional sources of funding". Translated it means "The economic crisis has hit and we are shit broke so are scounging around for cash to keep afloat".
Also it is a fact that they've been firing staff since atleast December before this so called rumour began. I'm not reading into anything, he refused to deny claims they hadn't paid staff then went on to say they have cash flow problems and need new investors. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know the so called rumour is now a fact due to CME lack of denial when asked, then thier confirmation they're in financial troubles alongside layoffs. I also wonder how they'll managed to publish the game themselves if they can't even pay staff?
If you still think it niether confirms or denys it, what do you think he says? Also why do you think when given the chance he didn't put an end to a vicious rumour that CME wasn't paying staff? Then why did he go on to admit to financial difficulties?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis