The force is weak in this one. I feel epic failure.
That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
To each his own I suppose. The real problem I have with Ab is that every post he posts he somehow compares the game to SWG. This game isn't going to be SWG and it will never be SWG.
I agree. Characters look like retards. And the weapons are way too silly and big. Maybe this game is fro 10 years old kids? Oh well, better look for other Sci-fi mmorpg...
Probably a good thing you won’t be playing it then. From reading your other posts it sounds like you’ve been banned in every game you play for harassing the developers. You’d most likely just be banned anyways.
No harassing, just asking or give them suggestions on what might help the game. 3 have banned me, one of the games are now dead and the other two are dying. So if I'm wrong?... I don't know...
The biggest problem with MMORPG is that games have Suggestions in the forums and players use them, but the Dev's still don't read them. They forget that a MMORPG need players to stay alive. Most games that die are the ones that think they have the best plan and becomes blind, they just patch, patch, patch the game with stuff that players don't give a damn about. What happens? Players say "F-ck it! I'm going over to other game".
Just look at AoC, for months the Devs worked on low level stuff... when the players was asking for high lvl stuff. The forum was full of angry people asking for more high lvl... but the Devs was blind. And with that Funcom changed name to Failcom and will now have problems with MMORPG for a very long time. Who will trust them on next game they make? ...if they make one...
And PoBS, people didn't like the avatar combat from day one. One year (or so) later they change that... a bit too late if you ask me... and you can see that on the population. Fail, now a dying game...
The force is weak in this one. I feel epic failure.
That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
To each his own I suppose. The real problem I have with Ab is that every post he posts he somehow compares the game to SWG. This game isn't going to be SWG and it will never be SWG.
So you don't think the weapons look big in this game? I do. And it has nothing to do with SWG.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'.
My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'. My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
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In a time with so much spectacular and pretty crap, the current graphical representation is the least of any worries. If the gameplay should prove good, only the few and extremely picky will be turned off by the art direction.
A distinct look and feel might actually be an advantage. But it's too early to say how coherent it will be, and more importantly, how it will look in motion.
As with all art, as long as it is true to itself, and consistent, it will be suitable for the purpose it was made for. Not automatically adored by all. But hey, that goes for all art ever made.
Gameplay in relation to the genre, is where this one will stand or fall. The graphical realism alarmists will not change much, if anything at all. Because they will be a very small segment of a very large pie. Realistic graphics is not automatically more suitable than stylized graphics. And for reasons already explained, going for less than extreme photo-realism, can be a good thing for a game like this.
In the end, it's a matter of how it plays. If we disregard the very few that make much noise very early.
In a time with so much spectacular and pretty crap, the current graphical representation is the least of any worries. If the gameplay should prove good, only the few and extremely picky will be turned off by the art direction. A distinct look and feel might actually be an advantage. But it's too early to say how coherent it will be, and more importantly, how it will look in motion. As with all art, as long as it is true to itself, and consistent, it will be suitable for the purpose it was made for. Not automatically adored by all. But hey, that goes for all art ever made. Gameplay in relation to the genre, is where this one will stand or fall. The graphical realism alarmists will not change much, if anything at all. Because they will be a very small segment of a very large pie. Realistic graphics is not automatically more suitable than stylized graphics. And for reasons already explained, going for less than extreme photo-realism, can be a good thing for a game like this. In the end, it's a matter of how it plays. If we disregard the very few that make much noise very early. ---
Wise comment from a first time poster, sadly it will fall entirely on deaf ears.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Well anyways now thanks to some who are trolling, anytime someone who isn’t trolling brings up a system from SWG that would be cool in TOR it gets shot down fast by people who have never played SWG or wanted to play SWG. They just look at vets like a bunch of little whiney ass kids TBH that have been crying for 4 years. You cause your own fate. It 's pathetic because I think there are a few things from SWG that would make TOR fun and they just aren’t willing to discuss it based on what they have seen from some of us.
You are blaming people being ignorant and narrow minded on other people who were upset about their game being taken out from underthem and completely destroyed? Makes sense, and very mature might I add.
SWG wasn't taken. It's still up, I played pre-cu and post-cu both games were pretty god awful. The only thing I liked about SWG was the city creation.
Good for you. Lots of people liked it. And the game we liked isn't still up, therefore was taken from us.
Taken from you? Go get counseling or something, we never owned the game. Move on FFS. I wasted my time and unlocked Jedi, grinded BH twice, had three toons, did crap loads of professions, then they changed things, twice, I thought the game sucked so I left. Water under the bridge. Why do some people feel such an emo attachment to the game lol. So funny
Me= I had fun, they made it suck IMHO, I left. End of story.
TOR is not SWG BTW. There may be somethings in TOR like SWG, but it's not SWG. No really, it isn't SWG.Even Raph Koster would not remake SWG again, if you want proof I can give you the link from the site where he said it.
anyways, have fun being miserable I guess or whatever it is you are.
Since you have resorted to nothing more than personal attacks, I'll simply reply to you the same way I reply to anyone that makes this statement. I will gladly move on when a game is released that offers half of the depth, complexity, fun and immersion that SWG offered. Until then, I'm going to continue asking for what I want.
Well this may not be the game you are looking for. Lol Because it’s not going to be exactly like pre-cu.
Anyway, all I’m saying is, add something more to the conversation other than “this sucks” or "it’s ugly” “graphics are cartoony” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” It just sounds like you are either trolling, or whining.
I'm not looking for a game exactly like Pre-cu.
Beyond that, you apparently don't read my posts as I never simply say "This sucks" or "this is ugly" as I always give some justification for what I say. You could add a little more to your posts "That rocks!" and slirping up every little bit of info the devs release and claiming it's the best idea ever.
(mmm gross exaggerations)
I can link examples to where you have posted how things suck, are cartoony ect, and I have never said anything “rocks” so don’t even make yourself look any more ignorant than you already do by playing (I am rubber you are glue). This isn’t 1st grade.
Am I a fan or TOR? Yes kinda. I am a fan of Star Wars as well, I have been for years. Am I fan of BioWare? Only of KOTOR, I’m not really into their other RPG games so much, but they are done well and I have played many of them. Other than throwing a temper tantrum over not getting your way, I really see no reason why you and others would have hate for BioWare.
I take an analytical approach to MMOs and try to highlight what works, and what does not, not base my assessments on my emotions. If I do give an opinion I will clearly state that. You on the other have pissed people off in numerous threads on this site by your obsessive need to make snide and snarky remarks about games you would never play. That’s why you are constantly being attacked back by others here. It’s my assessment based on your posting history that you are actually fan of FE and Darkfall, who like the rest of you fans feels inadequate when it comes to their game and feels it makes them feel better about themselves by trolling.
In a time with so much spectacular and pretty crap, the current graphical representation is the least of any worries. If the gameplay should prove good, only the few and extremely picky will be turned off by the art direction. A distinct look and feel might actually be an advantage. But it's too early to say how coherent it will be, and more importantly, how it will look in motion. As with all art, as long as it is true to itself, and consistent, it will be suitable for the purpose it was made for. Not automatically adored by all. But hey, that goes for all art ever made. Gameplay in relation to the genre, is where this one will stand or fall. The graphical realism alarmists will not change much, if anything at all. Because they will be a very small segment of a very large pie. Realistic graphics is not automatically more suitable than stylized graphics. And for reasons already explained, going for less than extreme photo-realism, can be a good thing for a game like this. In the end, it's a matter of how it plays. If we disregard the very few that make much noise very early. ---
Pretty much the way I feel about it. I admit, I was a little worried, till the reason for the art direction was explained. Art really is personal taste, and though I might not like every single aspect of the art in TOR at times (like with all games I've played) it really is a minor factor for me when I consider playing the game.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'. My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'. My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
. . .nor would they be happy with realistic graphics like Mass Effect. Once people finally get it through their skulls that they won't be able to play a game with photo-realistic graphics on their Tandy 5000, they will hopefully stop asking for it.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Well anyways now thanks to some who are trolling, anytime someone who isn’t trolling brings up a system from SWG that would be cool in TOR it gets shot down fast by people who have never played SWG or wanted to play SWG. They just look at vets like a bunch of little whiney ass kids TBH that have been crying for 4 years. You cause your own fate. It 's pathetic because I think there are a few things from SWG that would make TOR fun and they just aren’t willing to discuss it based on what they have seen from some of us.
You are blaming people being ignorant and narrow minded on other people who were upset about their game being taken out from underthem and completely destroyed? Makes sense, and very mature might I add.
SWG wasn't taken. It's still up, I played pre-cu and post-cu both games were pretty god awful. The only thing I liked about SWG was the city creation.
Good for you. Lots of people liked it. And the game we liked isn't still up, therefore was taken from us.
Taken from you? Go get counseling or something, we never owned the game. Move on FFS. I wasted my time and unlocked Jedi, grinded BH twice, had three toons, did crap loads of professions, then they changed things, twice, I thought the game sucked so I left. Water under the bridge. Why do some people feel such an emo attachment to the game lol. So funny
Me= I had fun, they made it suck IMHO, I left. End of story.
TOR is not SWG BTW. There may be somethings in TOR like SWG, but it's not SWG. No really, it isn't SWG.Even Raph Koster would not remake SWG again, if you want proof I can give you the link from the site where he said it.
anyways, have fun being miserable I guess or whatever it is you are.
Since you have resorted to nothing more than personal attacks, I'll simply reply to you the same way I reply to anyone that makes this statement. I will gladly move on when a game is released that offers half of the depth, complexity, fun and immersion that SWG offered. Until then, I'm going to continue asking for what I want.
Well this may not be the game you are looking for. Lol Because it’s not going to be exactly like pre-cu.
Anyway, all I’m saying is, add something more to the conversation other than “this sucks” or "it’s ugly” “graphics are cartoony” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” It just sounds like you are either trolling, or whining.
I'm not looking for a game exactly like Pre-cu.
Beyond that, you apparently don't read my posts as I never simply say "This sucks" or "this is ugly" as I always give some justification for what I say. You could add a little more to your posts "That rocks!" and slirping up every little bit of info the devs release and claiming it's the best idea ever.
(mmm gross exaggerations)
I can link examples to where you have posted how things suck, are cartoony ect, and I have never said anything “rocks” so don’t even make yourself look any more ignorant than you already do by playing (I am rubber you are glue). This isn’t 1st grade.
Please, link those posts. I never say "this sucks". But saying "This looks too cartoony" is actually an explanation for my reasoning of not like it. I believe it is too cartoony. Your issue isn't with how I say stuff, but what I say, because you don't agree with it, which I don't really care.
Am I a fan or TOR? Yes kinda. I am a fan of Star Wars as well, I have been for years. Am I fan of BioWare? Only of KOTOR, I’m not really into their other RPG games so much, but they are done well and I have played many of them. Other than throwing a temper tantrum over not getting your way, I really see no reason why you and others would have hate for BioWare.
Temper tantrum? Really? So stating a negative opinion about information provided is suddenly a temper tantrum? Wow. So anytime anyone says anything negative about anything it is a temper tantrum? Or is this again a case where you don't agree with me so you have to fling over negative exaggerations of my behavior at me? I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
I take an analytical approach to MMOs and try to highlight what works, and what does not, not base my assessments on my emotions.
So you basing your assessments on what you THINK works and what you THINK doesn't work is fine and dandy, but when I post my feelings on what I THINK works and what I THINK doesn't work, I'm simply posting on my emotions? Both of us are posting based on our opinions, and you can't paint it any other way. Yet you feel the need to build up another double standard you have set for your point of view to try and make it seem superior to mine.
If I do give an opinion I will clearly state that. You on the other have pissed people off in numerous threads on this site by your obsessive need to make snide and snarky remarks about games you would never play.
Really? Where? I never post about games I haven't played, or I'm not going to play. Ever. I posted that AoC was terrible because I played it and thought it was terrible. I post WAR was terrible because I played it and thought it was terrible. I post great things about SWG, Guild Wars, and WoW because I played all of those games and thought they were great games. So please, show me where I post about stuff I don't care about? Or is this simply you making more stuff up.
That’s why you are constantly being attacked back by others here. It’s my assessment based on your posting history that you are actually fan of FE and Darkfall, who like the rest of you fans feels inadequate when it comes to their game and feels it makes them feel better about themselves by trolling.
Constantly being attacked? By who? A few fans of a game that don't like my opinion about the game they love so they feel they need to make a personal attack on me? I would hardly call that being constantly attacked, and I don't take it to heart. I just find it sad that they can't accept the realization that people have different opinions, and they feel so inadequate about their game that they feel the need to defend it against anything that isn't 100% positive about it. Sure, I'm a fan of FE as I think it has potential, but I'm not entirely interested in Darkfall because it isn't entirely my playstyle. But what does this have to do with anything? Nothing really, just another personal attack.
This is a site dedicated to discussing and sharing opinions, thoughts, and ideas about MMORPGs, both released and being developed, and that is exactly what I do. People like you are the reason why civil discussions rarely happen on forums(or atleast this site) anymore. The second someone has a negative opinion about something you like, you instantly have to resort the calling them the highly over-used and compltely incorrect "Troll". Someone making stuff up to get people riled up is a troll. Someone spamming a forum with nonsense is a troll. Someone stating their opinion, whether negative or positive, isn't a troll. But instead of having a civil discussion, you must resort to namecalling. It really isn't my problem if you can't handle that my opinion is different than yours. Thats a personal issue on your end. Sorry.
And as reference to my point, I ask you to look at the first post I made in this thread, and your response. The OP compared the art style of this game to SWG, saying this game's art style was bad. I agreed, saying I thought SWG's art style looked better than the screenshots we have seen so far, and that game is 5 years old. What was your response?
"Obvious troll is obvious"
Pretty much sums it up.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'. My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
. . .nor would they be happy with realistic graphics like Mass Effect. Once people finally get it through their skulls that they won't be able to play a game with photo-realistic graphics on their Tandy 5000, they will hopefully stop asking for it.
When will people get it through their skulls that not everyone has an outdated computer that can't handle modern graphics? The goal of graphics should be scalablility , not a poorly done "stylization" to cover a low poly count. Why do I have to visually suffer even though my computer can handle pretty much any type of reasonably realistic graphics they want to throw at me(Like AoC at max graphics running 60+fps at launch).
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'. My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
. . .nor would they be happy with realistic graphics like Mass Effect. Once people finally get it through their skulls that they won't be able to play a game with photo-realistic graphics on their Tandy 5000, they will hopefully stop asking for it.
When will people get it through their skulls that not everyone has an outdated computer that can't handle modern graphics? The goal of graphics should be scalablility , not a poorly done "stylization" to cover a low poly count. Why do I have to visually suffer even though my computer can handle pretty much any type of reasonably realistic graphics they want to throw at me(Like AoC at max graphics running 60+fps at launch).
And when are you going to get it through YOUR skull that more people have low end machines then high. Use common sense, it helps.
When will people get it through their skulls that not everyone has an outdated computer that can't handle modern graphics? The goal of graphics should be scalablility , not a poorly done "stylization" to cover a low poly count. Why do I have to visually suffer even though my computer can handle pretty much any type of reasonably realistic graphics they want to throw at me(Like AoC at max graphics running 60+fps at launch).
You have to suffer because, whether you like it or not, there are a lot of people that have very old and outdated hardware. Just look at some of the "can my computer run this?" posts on this forum. . . some of them are from five or more years ago and were low end then.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
When will people get it through their skulls that not everyone has an outdated computer that can't handle modern graphics? The goal of graphics should be scalablility , not a poorly done "stylization" to cover a low poly count. Why do I have to visually suffer even though my computer can handle pretty much any type of reasonably realistic graphics they want to throw at me(Like AoC at max graphics running 60+fps at launch).
You have to suffer because, whether you like it or not, there are a lot of people that have very old and outdated hardware. Just look at some of the "can my computer run this?" posts on this forum. . . some of them are from five or more years ago and were low end then.
Yeah, I know, lots of people have low end computers. Computers are pretty expensive to buy, and expensive to keep up to date. I don't really have a problem with people having sub-par computers. I think these companies should focus more on better scalability for low end machines then simply throwing a "stylization" on the game and calling it a day. It seems like the easy way out, and hurts the people that have paid for machines to see games look good.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Imagine you have a certain computer. Now you go into a shop and you see this game that has -awesome- graphics. And you check the system requirments and you cheer to yourself, seeing your computer can run it.
You come home, and you realize, yes, your computer can run it, even rather well, but it will not look like the game you originally saw in screenshots and the like. Your own graphics will always "suck" compared to what the game -could- be if you had a better computer. A certain frustration sets in, because despite playing the same game as many others, you don't get the full deal. You have to scale your version back.
Compare this to a game that has stylized graphics. Which basically every toaster can run maximized or at least close to max. Everyone gets the same deal. Everyone is happy.
That may not be logical, but it's a simple truth that people do not like to be at the short end of a deal. And anyone who gets a game like...say AoC and has to play it on lowest settings to be able to do anything, will feel like getting the low end of the deal.
Imagine you have a certain computer. Now you go into a shop and you see this game that has -awesome- graphics. And you check the system requirments and you cheer to yourself, seeing your computer can run it.
You come home, and you realize, yes, your computer can run it, even rather well, but it will not look like the game you originally saw in screenshots and the like. Your own graphics will always "suck" compared to what the game -could- be if you had a better computer. A certain frustration sets in, because despite playing the same game as many others, you don't get the full deal. You have to scale your version back.
Compare this to a game that has stylized graphics. Which basically every toaster can run maximized or at least close to max. Everyone gets the same deal. Everyone is happy.
That may not be logical, but it's a simple truth that people do not like to be at the short end of a deal. And anyone who gets a game like...say AoC and has to play it on lowest settings to be able to do anything, will feel like getting the low end of the deal.
That is a good point, but that also describes exactly how I feel about styalized graphics. I'm not particularly happy with them, because I know I'm getting the low end of the deal knowing my computer can do much better than that. But I guess that leads right back to the audience, and they would rather short end a small amount of users over a large amount of users.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Imagine you have a certain computer. Now you go into a shop and you see this game that has -awesome- graphics. And you check the system requirments and you cheer to yourself, seeing your computer can run it.
You come home, and you realize, yes, your computer can run it, even rather well, but it will not look like the game you originally saw in screenshots and the like. Your own graphics will always "suck" compared to what the game -could- be if you had a better computer. A certain frustration sets in, because despite playing the same game as many others, you don't get the full deal. You have to scale your version back.
Compare this to a game that has stylized graphics. Which basically every toaster can run maximized or at least close to max. Everyone gets the same deal. Everyone is happy.
That may not be logical, but it's a simple truth that people do not like to be at the short end of a deal. And anyone who gets a game like...say AoC and has to play it on lowest settings to be able to do anything, will feel like getting the low end of the deal.
That is a good point, but that also describes exactly how I feel about styalized graphics. I'm not particularly happy with them, because I know I'm getting the low end of the deal knowing my computer can do much better than that. But I guess that leads right back to the audience, and they would rather short end a small amount of users over a large amount of users.
And that is just a good business decision all things considered not that I think it's particularly "nice", but then again what is "nice" in business? .
As "bad" as that may be for the people with high-end computers, business is about getting the -most- people.
All this talk about this games graphics is kinda pointless. If you keep following the updates and new screen shots they release every friday, you can see just how amazing the game will look. They are constantly upgrading the graphics even if they are in the styalized genre.
The screenshots that were first presented doesn't look anything like they are now at this point, and i will assume look even better at release.
All you people hungering for the most realistic graphics need to chill out. I tried out AOC and to be honest, wasn't impressed at all. I have a high end machine and still think TOR will blow away everything else when it comes out.
I’m not gonna argue about this anymore but people who have issues with certain aspect of TOR need to understand BioWare did not make the design desistions they have made to screw anyone one type of player over at all. I read an article a year or so ago about how they had done some pretty in-depth market research on systems, graphics ect, before they even started building this MMO. You have every right to voice your concerns, that’s fine, but don’t “expect “ them to change something this late in the game. If you can think of it, they most likely did as well. Keep in mind who is really behind the development of this game (plenty of ex-SWG devs)
Lucas Arts didn’t have to allow them a shot at this, and it almost didn’t happen. SOE was supposed to make the next SW MMO and even started work on it (I’ve seen the art), but that’s another story. Fans have been have been wanting an OR type MMO for years, we are getting that. There comes a point where you just gotta lighten up on your expectations and wait to play it, otherwise you may be disappointed you aren’t getting what you wanted, even though you are getting a lot. It may be a fun game, just go with the gflow, if you got questions, we can help you find answers if they exist
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That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
To each his own I suppose. The real problem I have with Ab is that every post he posts he somehow compares the game to SWG. This game isn't going to be SWG and it will never be SWG.
Probably a good thing you won’t be playing it then. From reading your other posts it sounds like you’ve been banned in every game you play for harassing the developers. You’d most likely just be banned anyways.
No harassing, just asking or give them suggestions on what might help the game. 3 have banned me, one of the games are now dead and the other two are dying. So if I'm wrong?... I don't know...
The biggest problem with MMORPG is that games have Suggestions in the forums and players use them, but the Dev's still don't read them. They forget that a MMORPG need players to stay alive. Most games that die are the ones that think they have the best plan and becomes blind, they just patch, patch, patch the game with stuff that players don't give a damn about. What happens? Players say "F-ck it! I'm going over to other game".
Just look at AoC, for months the Devs worked on low level stuff... when the players was asking for high lvl stuff. The forum was full of angry people asking for more high lvl... but the Devs was blind. And with that Funcom changed name to Failcom and will now have problems with MMORPG for a very long time. Who will trust them on next game they make? ...if they make one...
And PoBS, people didn't like the avatar combat from day one. One year (or so) later they change that... a bit too late if you ask me... and you can see that on the population. Fail, now a dying game...
That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
To each his own I suppose. The real problem I have with Ab is that every post he posts he somehow compares the game to SWG. This game isn't going to be SWG and it will never be SWG.
So you don't think the weapons look big in this game? I do. And it has nothing to do with SWG.
LOL ppl spelling doom and gloom for a game that still in production! LOL
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR.
Playing EVE Online and AOC.
Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
These threads are just useless. It's alpha people. Give me a friggen break.
Look at any games screenshots from Alpha and compare them to release.......
I'm going to save a screenshot from Alpha.
Didn't BioWare say in one of the interviews that they were going with 'retro' graphic's (whatever that actually means)? I remember a part where the guy said other games were going more and more realistic looking so they were going to take a step back and make it 'look like a game'.
My thinking was they meant something like the movie Beowulf where it really blurs between looking at a real actor and the drawing of an actor (realistic) vs. you know you're looking at a drawing.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
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In a time with so much spectacular and pretty crap, the current graphical representation is the least of any worries. If the gameplay should prove good, only the few and extremely picky will be turned off by the art direction.
A distinct look and feel might actually be an advantage. But it's too early to say how coherent it will be, and more importantly, how it will look in motion.
As with all art, as long as it is true to itself, and consistent, it will be suitable for the purpose it was made for. Not automatically adored by all. But hey, that goes for all art ever made.
Gameplay in relation to the genre, is where this one will stand or fall. The graphical realism alarmists will not change much, if anything at all. Because they will be a very small segment of a very large pie. Realistic graphics is not automatically more suitable than stylized graphics. And for reasons already explained, going for less than extreme photo-realism, can be a good thing for a game like this.
In the end, it's a matter of how it plays. If we disregard the very few that make much noise very early.
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Wise comment from a first time poster, sadly it will fall entirely on deaf ears.
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You are blaming people being ignorant and narrow minded on other people who were upset about their game being taken out from underthem and completely destroyed? Makes sense, and very mature might I add.
SWG wasn't taken. It's still up, I played pre-cu and post-cu both games were pretty god awful. The only thing I liked about SWG was the city creation.
Good for you. Lots of people liked it. And the game we liked isn't still up, therefore was taken from us.
Taken from you? Go get counseling or something, we never owned the game. Move on FFS. I wasted my time and unlocked Jedi, grinded BH twice, had three toons, did crap loads of professions, then they changed things, twice, I thought the game sucked so I left. Water under the bridge. Why do some people feel such an emo attachment to the game lol. So funny
Me= I had fun, they made it suck IMHO, I left. End of story.
TOR is not SWG BTW. There may be somethings in TOR like SWG, but it's not SWG. No really, it isn't SWG.Even Raph Koster would not remake SWG again, if you want proof I can give you the link from the site where he said it.
anyways, have fun being miserable I guess or whatever it is you are.
Since you have resorted to nothing more than personal attacks, I'll simply reply to you the same way I reply to anyone that makes this statement. I will gladly move on when a game is released that offers half of the depth, complexity, fun and immersion that SWG offered. Until then, I'm going to continue asking for what I want.
Well this may not be the game you are looking for. Lol Because it’s not going to be exactly like pre-cu.
Anyway, all I’m saying is, add something more to the conversation other than “this sucks” or "it’s ugly” “graphics are cartoony” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” It just sounds like you are either trolling, or whining.
I'm not looking for a game exactly like Pre-cu.
Beyond that, you apparently don't read my posts as I never simply say "This sucks" or "this is ugly" as I always give some justification for what I say. You could add a little more to your posts "That rocks!" and slirping up every little bit of info the devs release and claiming it's the best idea ever.
(mmm gross exaggerations)
I can link examples to where you have posted how things suck, are cartoony ect, and I have never said anything “rocks” so don’t even make yourself look any more ignorant than you already do by playing (I am rubber you are glue). This isn’t 1st grade.
Am I a fan or TOR? Yes kinda. I am a fan of Star Wars as well, I have been for years. Am I fan of BioWare? Only of KOTOR, I’m not really into their other RPG games so much, but they are done well and I have played many of them. Other than throwing a temper tantrum over not getting your way, I really see no reason why you and others would have hate for BioWare.
I take an analytical approach to MMOs and try to highlight what works, and what does not, not base my assessments on my emotions. If I do give an opinion I will clearly state that. You on the other have pissed people off in numerous threads on this site by your obsessive need to make snide and snarky remarks about games you would never play. That’s why you are constantly being attacked back by others here. It’s my assessment based on your posting history that you are actually fan of FE and Darkfall, who like the rest of you fans feels inadequate when it comes to their game and feels it makes them feel better about themselves by trolling.
Pretty much the way I feel about it. I admit, I was a little worried, till the reason for the art direction was explained. Art really is personal taste, and though I might not like every single aspect of the art in TOR at times (like with all games I've played) it really is a minor factor for me when I consider playing the game.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
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I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
. . .nor would they be happy with realistic graphics like Mass Effect. Once people finally get it through their skulls that they won't be able to play a game with photo-realistic graphics on their Tandy 5000, they will hopefully stop asking for it.
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You are blaming people being ignorant and narrow minded on other people who were upset about their game being taken out from underthem and completely destroyed? Makes sense, and very mature might I add.
SWG wasn't taken. It's still up, I played pre-cu and post-cu both games were pretty god awful. The only thing I liked about SWG was the city creation.
Good for you. Lots of people liked it. And the game we liked isn't still up, therefore was taken from us.
Taken from you? Go get counseling or something, we never owned the game. Move on FFS. I wasted my time and unlocked Jedi, grinded BH twice, had three toons, did crap loads of professions, then they changed things, twice, I thought the game sucked so I left. Water under the bridge. Why do some people feel such an emo attachment to the game lol. So funny
Me= I had fun, they made it suck IMHO, I left. End of story.
TOR is not SWG BTW. There may be somethings in TOR like SWG, but it's not SWG. No really, it isn't SWG.Even Raph Koster would not remake SWG again, if you want proof I can give you the link from the site where he said it.
anyways, have fun being miserable I guess or whatever it is you are.
Since you have resorted to nothing more than personal attacks, I'll simply reply to you the same way I reply to anyone that makes this statement. I will gladly move on when a game is released that offers half of the depth, complexity, fun and immersion that SWG offered. Until then, I'm going to continue asking for what I want.
Well this may not be the game you are looking for. Lol Because it’s not going to be exactly like pre-cu.
Anyway, all I’m saying is, add something more to the conversation other than “this sucks” or "it’s ugly” “graphics are cartoony” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” “grumble” It just sounds like you are either trolling, or whining.
I'm not looking for a game exactly like Pre-cu.
Beyond that, you apparently don't read my posts as I never simply say "This sucks" or "this is ugly" as I always give some justification for what I say. You could add a little more to your posts "That rocks!" and slirping up every little bit of info the devs release and claiming it's the best idea ever.
(mmm gross exaggerations)
I can link examples to where you have posted how things suck, are cartoony ect, and I have never said anything “rocks” so don’t even make yourself look any more ignorant than you already do by playing (I am rubber you are glue). This isn’t 1st grade.
Please, link those posts. I never say "this sucks". But saying "This looks too cartoony" is actually an explanation for my reasoning of not like it. I believe it is too cartoony. Your issue isn't with how I say stuff, but what I say, because you don't agree with it, which I don't really care.
Am I a fan or TOR? Yes kinda. I am a fan of Star Wars as well, I have been for years. Am I fan of BioWare? Only of KOTOR, I’m not really into their other RPG games so much, but they are done well and I have played many of them. Other than throwing a temper tantrum over not getting your way, I really see no reason why you and others would have hate for BioWare.
Temper tantrum? Really? So stating a negative opinion about information provided is suddenly a temper tantrum? Wow. So anytime anyone says anything negative about anything it is a temper tantrum? Or is this again a case where you don't agree with me so you have to fling over negative exaggerations of my behavior at me? I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
I take an analytical approach to MMOs and try to highlight what works, and what does not, not base my assessments on my emotions.
So you basing your assessments on what you THINK works and what you THINK doesn't work is fine and dandy, but when I post my feelings on what I THINK works and what I THINK doesn't work, I'm simply posting on my emotions? Both of us are posting based on our opinions, and you can't paint it any other way. Yet you feel the need to build up another double standard you have set for your point of view to try and make it seem superior to mine.
If I do give an opinion I will clearly state that. You on the other have pissed people off in numerous threads on this site by your obsessive need to make snide and snarky remarks about games you would never play.
Really? Where? I never post about games I haven't played, or I'm not going to play. Ever. I posted that AoC was terrible because I played it and thought it was terrible. I post WAR was terrible because I played it and thought it was terrible. I post great things about SWG, Guild Wars, and WoW because I played all of those games and thought they were great games. So please, show me where I post about stuff I don't care about? Or is this simply you making more stuff up.
That’s why you are constantly being attacked back by others here. It’s my assessment based on your posting history that you are actually fan of FE and Darkfall, who like the rest of you fans feels inadequate when it comes to their game and feels it makes them feel better about themselves by trolling.
Constantly being attacked? By who? A few fans of a game that don't like my opinion about the game they love so they feel they need to make a personal attack on me? I would hardly call that being constantly attacked, and I don't take it to heart. I just find it sad that they can't accept the realization that people have different opinions, and they feel so inadequate about their game that they feel the need to defend it against anything that isn't 100% positive about it. Sure, I'm a fan of FE as I think it has potential, but I'm not entirely interested in Darkfall because it isn't entirely my playstyle. But what does this have to do with anything? Nothing really, just another personal attack.
This is a site dedicated to discussing and sharing opinions, thoughts, and ideas about MMORPGs, both released and being developed, and that is exactly what I do. People like you are the reason why civil discussions rarely happen on forums(or atleast this site) anymore. The second someone has a negative opinion about something you like, you instantly have to resort the calling them the highly over-used and compltely incorrect "Troll". Someone making stuff up to get people riled up is a troll. Someone spamming a forum with nonsense is a troll. Someone stating their opinion, whether negative or positive, isn't a troll. But instead of having a civil discussion, you must resort to namecalling. It really isn't my problem if you can't handle that my opinion is different than yours. Thats a personal issue on your end. Sorry.
And as reference to my point, I ask you to look at the first post I made in this thread, and your response. The OP compared the art style of this game to SWG, saying this game's art style was bad. I agreed, saying I thought SWG's art style looked better than the screenshots we have seen so far, and that game is 5 years old. What was your response?
"Obvious troll is obvious"
Pretty much sums it up.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
. . .nor would they be happy with realistic graphics like Mass Effect. Once people finally get it through their skulls that they won't be able to play a game with photo-realistic graphics on their Tandy 5000, they will hopefully stop asking for it.
When will people get it through their skulls that not everyone has an outdated computer that can't handle modern graphics? The goal of graphics should be scalablility , not a poorly done "stylization" to cover a low poly count. Why do I have to visually suffer even though my computer can handle pretty much any type of reasonably realistic graphics they want to throw at me(Like AoC at max graphics running 60+fps at launch).
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I believe they referred to it as "Stylized Realism" or something along those lines.
To all those complaining that this game does not "look like Star Wars". Let me ask you this, what exactly does Star Wars look like? It is George Lucas's creation and it will look however he wants it to.
And it is looking just like stylized realism. Stylized is usually drawn and exagerated, hence the 'cartoony' feel, the real word for it is stylized. WoW is stylized and so is Spellborn. TOR will then have characters that are more realistic then both those games but with still some exageration. That's all fine to me, I'm just waiting for a facial close up.
People looking for a Star Wars game with realistic graphics, like Mass Effect, won't be happy with TOR most likely.
. . .nor would they be happy with realistic graphics like Mass Effect. Once people finally get it through their skulls that they won't be able to play a game with photo-realistic graphics on their Tandy 5000, they will hopefully stop asking for it.
When will people get it through their skulls that not everyone has an outdated computer that can't handle modern graphics? The goal of graphics should be scalablility , not a poorly done "stylization" to cover a low poly count. Why do I have to visually suffer even though my computer can handle pretty much any type of reasonably realistic graphics they want to throw at me(Like AoC at max graphics running 60+fps at launch).
And when are you going to get it through YOUR skull that more people have low end machines then high. Use common sense, it helps.
You have to suffer because, whether you like it or not, there are a lot of people that have very old and outdated hardware. Just look at some of the "can my computer run this?" posts on this forum. . . some of them are from five or more years ago and were low end then.
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You have to suffer because, whether you like it or not, there are a lot of people that have very old and outdated hardware. Just look at some of the "can my computer run this?" posts on this forum. . . some of them are from five or more years ago and were low end then.
Yeah, I know, lots of people have low end computers. Computers are pretty expensive to buy, and expensive to keep up to date. I don't really have a problem with people having sub-par computers. I think these companies should focus more on better scalability for low end machines then simply throwing a "stylization" on the game and calling it a day. It seems like the easy way out, and hurts the people that have paid for machines to see games look good.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Simple reason why "stylized" looks > Scalability.
Imagine you have a certain computer. Now you go into a shop and you see this game that has -awesome- graphics. And you check the system requirments and you cheer to yourself, seeing your computer can run it.
You come home, and you realize, yes, your computer can run it, even rather well, but it will not look like the game you originally saw in screenshots and the like. Your own graphics will always "suck" compared to what the game -could- be if you had a better computer. A certain frustration sets in, because despite playing the same game as many others, you don't get the full deal. You have to scale your version back.
Compare this to a game that has stylized graphics. Which basically every toaster can run maximized or at least close to max. Everyone gets the same deal. Everyone is happy.
That may not be logical, but it's a simple truth that people do not like to be at the short end of a deal. And anyone who gets a game like...say AoC and has to play it on lowest settings to be able to do anything, will feel like getting the low end of the deal.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
That is a good point, but that also describes exactly how I feel about styalized graphics. I'm not particularly happy with them, because I know I'm getting the low end of the deal knowing my computer can do much better than that. But I guess that leads right back to the audience, and they would rather short end a small amount of users over a large amount of users.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
That is a good point, but that also describes exactly how I feel about styalized graphics. I'm not particularly happy with them, because I know I'm getting the low end of the deal knowing my computer can do much better than that. But I guess that leads right back to the audience, and they would rather short end a small amount of users over a large amount of users.
And that is just a good business decision all things considered not that I think it's particularly "nice", but then again what is "nice" in business?
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As "bad" as that may be for the people with high-end computers, business is about getting the -most- people.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
All this talk about this games graphics is kinda pointless. If you keep following the updates and new screen shots they release every friday, you can see just how amazing the game will look. They are constantly upgrading the graphics even if they are in the styalized genre.
The screenshots that were first presented doesn't look anything like they are now at this point, and i will assume look even better at release.
All you people hungering for the most realistic graphics need to chill out. I tried out AOC and to be honest, wasn't impressed at all. I have a high end machine and still think TOR will blow away everything else when it comes out.
I’m not gonna argue about this anymore but people who have issues with certain aspect of TOR need to understand BioWare did not make the design desistions they have made to screw anyone one type of player over at all. I read an article a year or so ago about how they had done some pretty in-depth market research on systems, graphics ect, before they even started building this MMO. You have every right to voice your concerns, that’s fine, but don’t “expect “ them to change something this late in the game. If you can think of it, they most likely did as well. Keep in mind who is really behind the development of this game (plenty of ex-SWG devs)
Lucas Arts didn’t have to allow them a shot at this, and it almost didn’t happen. SOE was supposed to make the next SW MMO and even started work on it (I’ve seen the art), but that’s another story. Fans have been have been wanting an OR type MMO for years, we are getting that. There comes a point where you just gotta lighten up on your expectations and wait to play it, otherwise you may be disappointed you aren’t getting what you wanted, even though you are getting a lot. It may be a fun game, just go with the gflow, if you got questions, we can help you find answers if they exist