I’m not gonna argue about this anymore but people who have issues with certain aspect of TOR need to understand BioWare did not make the design desistions they have made to screw anyone one type of player over at all. I read an article a year or so ago about how they had done some pretty in-depth market research on systems, graphics ect, before they even started building this MMO. You have every right to voice your concerns, that’s fine, but don’t “expect “ them to change something this late in the game. If you can think of it, they most likely did as well. Keep in mind who is really behind the development of this game (plenty of ex-SWG devs) Lucas Arts didn’t have to allow them a shot at this, and it almost didn’t happen. SOE was supposed to make the next SW MMO and even started work on it (I’ve seen the art), but that’s another story. Fans have been have been wanting an OR type MMO for years, we are getting that. There comes a point where you just gotta lighten up on your expectations and wait to play it, otherwise you may be disappointed you aren’t getting what you wanted, even though you are getting a lot. It may be a fun game, just go with the gflow, if you got questions, we can help you find answers if they exist
Nicely put. I'd also like to add that, while you shouldn't have your expectations so high that you can't enjoy anything, you also shouldn't keep your expectations so low that you have no standards.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Nicely put. I'd also like to add that, while you shouldn't have your expectations so high that you can't enjoy anything, you also shouldn't keep your expectations so low that you have no standards.
It seems your standards are on the unrealistic side though, maybe? The style of the game may not be to your liking but neither do they appear like they need to be carbon dated. XD Online games must look good but they also have to perform very, very well or else you get Mr and Mrs Grumpy Pants who'll yell about it for a century.
In the end performance should always win at the detriment of ZOMFG graphics. Also you can have stylized graphics and amazing looks, Aion for one does not have completely realistic graphics but damn it looks awesome. Texturing is where it's at imo.
FFXI too has stylized art, and it has been one of the best looking games since what 2000? EQ can't say that much. Heck I'm not sure EQ2 ca even say it (Faydwer being the exception). Also if you have the lastest rig, well then you know that as the game ages and gets updates it will only look better and better on your machine. MMOs are not static things they change over time and that does include their graphics. Guild Wars comes to mind, I played that on my first computer I bought myself (weeee!) and it played just great, but then as the expansions came out and a few graphical upgrades later it woulnd't run so good anymore. The more shiny they put in the more I lagged. Now if the computer I bought hadn't been cheap I would not have had that problem and you sure won't.
I know that the game hasn't reached beta yet and it's still in production, but they're not gonna make the game less cartoonish and that sucks. Don't know if i ever gonna get used to it.
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Nicely put. I'd also like to add that, while you shouldn't have your expectations so high that you can't enjoy anything, you also shouldn't keep your expectations so low that you have no standards.
It seems your standards are on the unrealistic side though, maybe? The style of the game may not be to your liking but neither do they appear like they need to be carbon dated. XD Online games must look good but they also have to perform very, very well or else you get Mr and Mrs Grumpy Pants who'll yell about it for a century.
In the end performance should always win at the detriment of ZOMFG graphics. Also you can have stylized graphics and amazing looks, Aion for one does not have completely realistic graphics but damn it looks awesome. Texturing is where it's at imo.
FFXI too has stylized art, and it has been one of the best looking games since what 2000? EQ can't say that much. Heck I'm not sure EQ2 ca even say it (Faydwer being the exception). Also if you have the lastest rig, well then you know that as the game ages and gets updates it will only look better and better on your machine. MMOs are not static things they change over time and that does include their graphics. Guild Wars comes to mind, I played that on my first computer I bought myself (weeee!) and it played just great, but then as the expansions came out and a few graphical upgrades later it woulnd't run so good anymore. The more shiny they put in the more I lagged. Now if the computer I bought hadn't been cheap I would not have had that problem and you sure won't.
How does not wanting cartoony looking graphics make my expectations unrealistic? They could simply make the game look exactly like KotOR(which any PC these days could run) and I would be happy.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
How does not wanting cartoony looking graphics make my expectations unrealistic? They could simply make the game look exactly like KotOR(which any PC these days could run) and I would be happy.
That defeats some of what you were saying on the last page, but sure that would be okay. Though honestly what's presented now is more advanced then Kotor was already, you just don't like how it is done. Doesn't make the quality any less subpar for an online game, but no one can argue with your personal preferences.
Making it exactly like Kotor is basically not even trying to have expectations. That's not what they are doing. While the graphics are not Crysis standards they are still pretty good. Reminds me of Tabula but with a Champions Online take on it. Heroism is the theme they are going for and so the style is going to reflect that. Look at comic books and what parts of the heroe's anatomy is exagerated. I think that's what they are going for.
It may not be to your liking but that does not mean the graphics are 'bad' per say. Or that they are being lazy, obviously they've put a lot of thought into which direction they wanted to go towards.
I’m not gonna argue about this anymore but people who have issues with certain aspect of TOR need to understand BioWare did not make the design desistions they have made to screw anyone one type of player over at all. I read an article a year or so ago about how they had done some pretty in-depth market research on systems, graphics ect, before they even started building this MMO. You have every right to voice your concerns, that’s fine, but don’t “expect “ them to change something this late in the game. If you can think of it, they most likely did as well. Keep in mind who is really behind the development of this game (plenty of ex-SWG devs) Lucas Arts didn’t have to allow them a shot at this, and it almost didn’t happen. SOE was supposed to make the next SW MMO and even started work on it (I’ve seen the art), but that’s another story. Fans have been have been wanting an OR type MMO for years, we are getting that. There comes a point where you just gotta lighten up on your expectations and wait to play it, otherwise you may be disappointed you aren’t getting what you wanted, even though you are getting a lot. It may be a fun game, just go with the gflow, if you got questions, we can help you find answers if they exist
And ultimately, even though I'm not particularly thrilled about it, this is the direction LucasArts has decided to go with their new "movies". The more kiddie, stylized tone of the recent movies, plus the most recent animated ones.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special.
Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
Hey wait! Does this mean I have to get rid of my collection of new and vintage SW Toys?
Anyways, I think the only part of SW lore that is for an adult audience is most of what you read in novels as EU lore, there is a reason GL doesn't recognize it as canon. This is UE, but it's being licensed to BioWare by LEC. I guess if anyone has a real problem with specifics of the game they should complain to LEC, they are the ones who approve it. I'm sure they had plenty of input.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
As for the killing, dismemberments, war etc., um what movies showed more of that, the original trilogy or the "new" Star Wars? For that matter, and back on track with this thread's topic, which of the trilogies arguably had the better graphics?
P.S.: I saw Star Wars (back when it was simply called "Star Wars") when I was 8 years old. If could handle it, yeah, I think a 10 year old could too.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
As for the killing, dismemberments, war etc., um what movies showed more of that, the original trilogy or the "new" Star Wars? For that matter, and back on track with this thread's topic, which of the trilogies arguably had the better graphics?
P.S.: I saw Star Wars (back when it was simply called "Star Wars") when I was 8 years old. If could handle it, yeah, I think a 10 year old could too.
There is a deleted scene when they have sex in the death star... nah I give up. Ok maybe not incest... but close hehe.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
But what George Lucas has done, much like the MMORPG industry has, is they have both abandoned the people they built themselves on in favor for a new audience, one far younger, and more powerful. Sure, we were kids when we fell in love with Star Wars originally, but we all grew up(well most of us). Instead of making the new movies aimed at the already existing fans, he aimed it at the kids of the new generation, which probably had a lot less interest in Star Wars, while leaving the existing fans somewhat dissapointed. Much like the MMORPG industry has left a lot of the original players in the dust for the more marketable younger users. I find the simularities interesting.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
I've never stuck my tongue in my sisters' mouth, but hey. To each their own, I guess.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
But what George Lucas has done, much like the MMORPG industry has, is they have both abandoned the people they built themselves on in favor for a new audience, one far younger, and more powerful. Sure, we were kids when we fell in love with Star Wars originally, but we all grew up(well most of us). Instead of making the new movies aimed at the already existing fans, he aimed it at the kids of the new generation, which probably had a lot less interest in Star Wars, while leaving the existing fans somewhat dissapointed. Much like the MMORPG industry has left a lot of the original players in the dust for the more marketable younger users. I find the simularities interesting.
But which of the trilogies had the more sophisticated underlying narrative?
Honestly, do you think a 10 year old understood the premise behind Phantom Menace... or even the title itself? What about the tragic fall of Anakin? Isn't that a pretty heavy theme for a young audience?
Look, I'm not trying to argue that the prequels were better films. They weren't. The direction was flat, flat, flat. Some of the dialog and performances were horrible. But I don't think we can deny the story was more mature. Just look at the concept of sacrificing liberty in the pursuit of security... doesn't that ring familiar with current events, perhaps even a certain real-world administration we had at the time?
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
But what George Lucas has done, much like the MMORPG industry has, is they have both abandoned the people they built themselves on in favor for a new audience, one far younger, and more powerful. Sure, we were kids when we fell in love with Star Wars originally, but we all grew up(well most of us). Instead of making the new movies aimed at the already existing fans, he aimed it at the kids of the new generation, which probably had a lot less interest in Star Wars, while leaving the existing fans somewhat dissapointed. Much like the MMORPG industry has left a lot of the original players in the dust for the more marketable younger users. I find the simularities interesting.
But which of the trilogies had the more sophisticated underlying narrative?
Honestly, do you think a 10 year old understood the premise behind Phantom Menace... or even the title itself? What about the tragic fall of Anakin? Isn't that a pretty heavy theme for a young audience?
Look, I'm not trying to argue that the prequels were better films. They weren't. The direction was flat, flat, flat. Some of the dialog and performances were horrible. But I don't think we can deny the story was more mature. Just look at the concept of sacrificing liberty in the pursuit of security... doesn't that ring familiar with current events, perhaps even a certain real-world administration we had at the time?
Yes, I do enjoy the underlying story of the pre-quels, and the possibilities they lead to. But I mean come on, Jar Jar? What a joke!
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Whats happening to the world where people like this style of The shitty Clone Wars Wheres all the fans of the actual good original trilogy? Was the last good thing to come from Star Wars
News flash slick, people tend to like certain things and dislike others, this varies from one individual to the next.
False expecations often lead down the path to disappointment. Dissappointment leads to hate, hate leads to anger and anger is a path to the dark side.
Heh, couldn't resist. That sentence just sounded so Yoda'ish.
The models look stupid though. Made for kiddies..pfft.
First, I dont think they spent much time with characters anyways. This is indicated by the fact that we see practically only the same two humans over and over, copy pasted, but while the world is advanced with shadows, movement asf the models may be in an early step. At least thats what I hope, heh.
Second, yeah I too hated the Clone Wars series due to the style, but watching the tv show these days I feel it grew on me and I kinda got used to it a bit.
Still, the characters need more... well, character in SWTOR, indeed.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special. Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
I've never stuck my tongue in my sisters' mouth, but hey. To each their own, I guess.
The force is weak in this one. I feel epic failure.
That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
To each his own I suppose. The real problem I have with Ab is that every post he posts he somehow compares the game to SWG. This game isn't going to be SWG and it will never be SWG.
Well, SWG was an excellent Star Wars game, the massive changes are what ruined it. I'm all for new innovations and gameplay, but sometimes, using what works is a better bet. BioWare is an awesome game console company so I know they have a lot of heart when it comes to story driven content. However, history has proven in the MMO market that story driven makes games feel too linear. WAR is an excellent example of why linear gameplay leads to boring replay very quickly.
SWG was a success because it was a sandbox game, open and diverse. I'm not saying SWTOR will not be a good game, but from the sound of it, it won't draw SW fans too it like SWG did. So your right, SWTOR is not SWG 2, which is probably the biggest mistake they could have made.
The biggest mistake they made was by this game not being SWG2?
Tell me you dont actually believe this pile of horse chit that you posted.
I dont know what movies you were watching, but the inclusion of characters such as Uncle Owen were just for background purposes. They were either killed or forgotten... about as fast as their 2 lines of dialogue in the movies.
Star WARS is about action.
And that doesnt mean the action of Uncle Owen pulling his crusty pink panties out of his arse, as he is tilling a field.
Tradeskills/ents/docs had no business being a major class in a Star Wars game. You sure as heck dont revolve your adventuring classes around them to provide those non-adventuring folks "content". Adventurers wanna be out killing/questing/etc...not standing in line every few hrs.
An adventurer wants to kill/quest for his items as well...not spend his time saving nickles/dimes so he can buy it at the store down the street. Let alone have to do it a second/or more time(s) due to the item decay crafters like to have... forcing folks to give them repeat business.
There is no place for sims in an adventure game...pity some folks just cant fathom it,. That way they could try to get their gamestyle introduced into a game where it is appropriate.
Instead of keep trying to saddle an adventure game with it.
/beat dead horse some more
Give it up already vets...you didnt get SWG2. So could ya STFU about it already?
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Whats happening to the world where people like this style of The shitty Clone Wars Wheres all the fans of the actual good original trilogy? Was the last good thing to come from Star Wars
wow, dont worry there snips, i dont believe it will be the end of the world if games go with this kind of style, if it does ruin your world pathetic.
i dont like the look that bioware is going with for the graphics but the gameplay is more important than the looks so hopefully they can resist making the game super pretty and worry more about the content and how the game plays
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Nicely put. I'd also like to add that, while you shouldn't have your expectations so high that you can't enjoy anything, you also shouldn't keep your expectations so low that you have no standards.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
It seems your standards are on the unrealistic side though, maybe? The style of the game may not be to your liking but neither do they appear like they need to be carbon dated. XD Online games must look good but they also have to perform very, very well or else you get Mr and Mrs Grumpy Pants who'll yell about it for a century.
In the end performance should always win at the detriment of ZOMFG graphics. Also you can have stylized graphics and amazing looks, Aion for one does not have completely realistic graphics but damn it looks awesome. Texturing is where it's at imo.
FFXI too has stylized art, and it has been one of the best looking games since what 2000? EQ can't say that much. Heck I'm not sure EQ2 ca even say it (Faydwer being the exception). Also if you have the lastest rig, well then you know that as the game ages and gets updates it will only look better and better on your machine. MMOs are not static things they change over time and that does include their graphics. Guild Wars comes to mind, I played that on my first computer I bought myself (weeee!) and it played just great, but then as the expansions came out and a few graphical upgrades later it woulnd't run so good anymore. The more shiny they put in the more I lagged. Now if the computer I bought hadn't been cheap I would not have had that problem and you sure won't.
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Star Wars episode I-VI = FTW
Star Wars: The Clone Wars = EPIC FAIL
I know that the game hasn't reached beta yet and it's still in production, but they're not gonna make the game less cartoonish and that sucks. Don't know if i ever gonna get used to it.
Playing: ARMA 2
Waiting for: Darkfall: UW
Played: Ultima Online, Age of Conan, Anarchy Online, Planetside, Dark age of Camelot, EQII, WoW, SWG, FFXI and a lot more
It seems your standards are on the unrealistic side though, maybe? The style of the game may not be to your liking but neither do they appear like they need to be carbon dated. XD Online games must look good but they also have to perform very, very well or else you get Mr and Mrs Grumpy Pants who'll yell about it for a century.
In the end performance should always win at the detriment of ZOMFG graphics. Also you can have stylized graphics and amazing looks, Aion for one does not have completely realistic graphics but damn it looks awesome. Texturing is where it's at imo.
FFXI too has stylized art, and it has been one of the best looking games since what 2000? EQ can't say that much. Heck I'm not sure EQ2 ca even say it (Faydwer being the exception). Also if you have the lastest rig, well then you know that as the game ages and gets updates it will only look better and better on your machine. MMOs are not static things they change over time and that does include their graphics. Guild Wars comes to mind, I played that on my first computer I bought myself (weeee!) and it played just great, but then as the expansions came out and a few graphical upgrades later it woulnd't run so good anymore. The more shiny they put in the more I lagged. Now if the computer I bought hadn't been cheap I would not have had that problem and you sure won't.
How does not wanting cartoony looking graphics make my expectations unrealistic? They could simply make the game look exactly like KotOR(which any PC these days could run) and I would be happy.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
That defeats some of what you were saying on the last page, but sure that would be okay. Though honestly what's presented now is more advanced then Kotor was already, you just don't like how it is done. Doesn't make the quality any less subpar for an online game, but no one can argue with your personal preferences.
Making it exactly like Kotor is basically not even trying to have expectations. That's not what they are doing. While the graphics are not Crysis standards they are still pretty good. Reminds me of Tabula but with a Champions Online take on it. Heroism is the theme they are going for and so the style is going to reflect that. Look at comic books and what parts of the heroe's anatomy is exagerated. I think that's what they are going for.
It may not be to your liking but that does not mean the graphics are 'bad' per say. Or that they are being lazy, obviously they've put a lot of thought into which direction they wanted to go towards.
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And ultimately, even though I'm not particularly thrilled about it, this is the direction LucasArts has decided to go with their new "movies". The more kiddie, stylized tone of the recent movies, plus the most recent animated ones.
I hate to break this to some of the more diehard fans out there, but unless you were under the impression that Jawas, Ewoks and ambiguously gay robots were intended for mature audiences, Star Wars has always targeted the kiddie market. Forget not that long before Jar Jar, we had Kenner toys and the Christmas Special.
Richard Garriott aside, you may now clip that padawan rat tail you've been clinging to.
Hey wait! Does this mean I have to get rid of my collection of new and vintage SW Toys?
Anyways, I think the only part of SW lore that is for an adult audience is most of what you read in novels as EU lore, there is a reason GL doesn't recognize it as canon. This is UE, but it's being licensed to BioWare by LEC. I guess if anyone has a real problem with specifics of the game they should complain to LEC, they are the ones who approve it. I'm sure they had plenty of input.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
As for the killing, dismemberments, war etc., um what movies showed more of that, the original trilogy or the "new" Star Wars? For that matter, and back on track with this thread's topic, which of the trilogies arguably had the better graphics?
P.S.: I saw Star Wars (back when it was simply called "Star Wars") when I was 8 years old. If could handle it, yeah, I think a 10 year old could too.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
As for the killing, dismemberments, war etc., um what movies showed more of that, the original trilogy or the "new" Star Wars? For that matter, and back on track with this thread's topic, which of the trilogies arguably had the better graphics?
P.S.: I saw Star Wars (back when it was simply called "Star Wars") when I was 8 years old. If could handle it, yeah, I think a 10 year old could too.
There is a deleted scene when they have sex in the death star... nah I give up. Ok maybe not incest... but close hehe.
But what George Lucas has done, much like the MMORPG industry has, is they have both abandoned the people they built themselves on in favor for a new audience, one far younger, and more powerful. Sure, we were kids when we fell in love with Star Wars originally, but we all grew up(well most of us). Instead of making the new movies aimed at the already existing fans, he aimed it at the kids of the new generation, which probably had a lot less interest in Star Wars, while leaving the existing fans somewhat dissapointed. Much like the MMORPG industry has left a lot of the original players in the dust for the more marketable younger users. I find the simularities interesting.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
I've never stuck my tongue in my sisters' mouth, but hey. To each their own, I guess.
But what George Lucas has done, much like the MMORPG industry has, is they have both abandoned the people they built themselves on in favor for a new audience, one far younger, and more powerful. Sure, we were kids when we fell in love with Star Wars originally, but we all grew up(well most of us). Instead of making the new movies aimed at the already existing fans, he aimed it at the kids of the new generation, which probably had a lot less interest in Star Wars, while leaving the existing fans somewhat dissapointed. Much like the MMORPG industry has left a lot of the original players in the dust for the more marketable younger users. I find the simularities interesting.
But which of the trilogies had the more sophisticated underlying narrative?
Honestly, do you think a 10 year old understood the premise behind Phantom Menace... or even the title itself? What about the tragic fall of Anakin? Isn't that a pretty heavy theme for a young audience?
Look, I'm not trying to argue that the prequels were better films. They weren't. The direction was flat, flat, flat. Some of the dialog and performances were horrible. But I don't think we can deny the story was more mature. Just look at the concept of sacrificing liberty in the pursuit of security... doesn't that ring familiar with current events, perhaps even a certain real-world administration we had at the time?
But what George Lucas has done, much like the MMORPG industry has, is they have both abandoned the people they built themselves on in favor for a new audience, one far younger, and more powerful. Sure, we were kids when we fell in love with Star Wars originally, but we all grew up(well most of us). Instead of making the new movies aimed at the already existing fans, he aimed it at the kids of the new generation, which probably had a lot less interest in Star Wars, while leaving the existing fans somewhat dissapointed. Much like the MMORPG industry has left a lot of the original players in the dust for the more marketable younger users. I find the simularities interesting.
But which of the trilogies had the more sophisticated underlying narrative?
Honestly, do you think a 10 year old understood the premise behind Phantom Menace... or even the title itself? What about the tragic fall of Anakin? Isn't that a pretty heavy theme for a young audience?
Look, I'm not trying to argue that the prequels were better films. They weren't. The direction was flat, flat, flat. Some of the dialog and performances were horrible. But I don't think we can deny the story was more mature. Just look at the concept of sacrificing liberty in the pursuit of security... doesn't that ring familiar with current events, perhaps even a certain real-world administration we had at the time?
Yes, I do enjoy the underlying story of the pre-quels, and the possibilities they lead to. But I mean come on, Jar Jar? What a joke!
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
News flash slick, people tend to like certain things and dislike others, this varies from one individual to the next.
False expecations often lead down the path to disappointment. Dissappointment leads to hate, hate leads to anger and anger is a path to the dark side.
Heh, couldn't resist. That sentence just sounded so Yoda'ish.
The models look stupid though. Made for kiddies..pfft.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Okidoki, what do ya think!
What do I think? No offense, but I think you stink at making polls.
I love the graphics of this game, and I love the artistic direction it's taking.
i love it as well, and the worlds look beautiful
I mostly agree with the OP, with a few but's:
First, I dont think they spent much time with characters anyways. This is indicated by the fact that we see practically only the same two humans over and over, copy pasted, but while the world is advanced with shadows, movement asf the models may be in an early step. At least thats what I hope, heh.
Second, yeah I too hated the Clone Wars series due to the style, but watching the tv show these days I feel it grew on me and I kinda got used to it a bit.
Still, the characters need more... well, character in SWTOR, indeed.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
So incest with your sister, killing, cut of hands, war etc was made for 10 years olds when it first came out?
The "new" Star Wars is more for kids...
Incest? Really? Getting kissed by your sister is now incest? I didn't think Sweden was that uptight.
I've never stuck my tongue in my sisters' mouth, but hey. To each their own, I guess.
I don't think there was tongue in that scene...
Oh snap I have to go watch it now.... ><
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That's all he ever posts.
Is it? First time for me.
Maybe you think this will be a great game, I don't.
May the force be with you...
To each his own I suppose. The real problem I have with Ab is that every post he posts he somehow compares the game to SWG. This game isn't going to be SWG and it will never be SWG.
Well, SWG was an excellent Star Wars game, the massive changes are what ruined it. I'm all for new innovations and gameplay, but sometimes, using what works is a better bet. BioWare is an awesome game console company so I know they have a lot of heart when it comes to story driven content. However, history has proven in the MMO market that story driven makes games feel too linear. WAR is an excellent example of why linear gameplay leads to boring replay very quickly.
SWG was a success because it was a sandbox game, open and diverse. I'm not saying SWTOR will not be a good game, but from the sound of it, it won't draw SW fans too it like SWG did. So your right, SWTOR is not SWG 2, which is probably the biggest mistake they could have made.
The biggest mistake they made was by this game not being SWG2?
Tell me you dont actually believe this pile of horse chit that you posted.
I dont know what movies you were watching, but the inclusion of characters such as Uncle Owen were just for background purposes. They were either killed or forgotten... about as fast as their 2 lines of dialogue in the movies.
Star WARS is about action.
And that doesnt mean the action of Uncle Owen pulling his crusty pink panties out of his arse, as he is tilling a field.
Tradeskills/ents/docs had no business being a major class in a Star Wars game. You sure as heck dont revolve your adventuring classes around them to provide those non-adventuring folks "content". Adventurers wanna be out killing/questing/etc...not standing in line every few hrs.
An adventurer wants to kill/quest for his items as well...not spend his time saving nickles/dimes so he can buy it at the store down the street. Let alone have to do it a second/or more time(s) due to the item decay crafters like to have... forcing folks to give them repeat business.
There is no place for sims in an adventure game...pity some folks just cant fathom it,. That way they could try to get their gamestyle introduced into a game where it is appropriate.
Instead of keep trying to saddle an adventure game with it.
/beat dead horse some more
Give it up already vets...you didnt get SWG2. So could ya STFU about it already?
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
wow, dont worry there snips, i dont believe it will be the end of the world if games go with this kind of style, if it does ruin your world pathetic.
i dont like the look that bioware is going with for the graphics but the gameplay is more important than the looks so hopefully they can resist making the game super pretty and worry more about the content and how the game plays